Friday, December 15, 2006

Abolishing right and wrong

There is something more than a little sinister permeating the British education system, which will have a profound effect on the morality of future generations. The Qualifications and Curriculum Authority has drawn up proposals to replace the requirement that pupils should be helped to develop principles for distinguishing between right and wrong. Instead, the emphasis will be on inculcating ‘secure values and beliefs’ and a ‘commitment to human rights’.

We have a state education system which is becoming secularised, the nation’s religion is relativised, and the legal requirement for a daily act of worship is widely ignored by teachers, governors, and even Ofsted inspectors. There is no ‘truth’, no sense of responsibility, no absolute demand that can be made, because notions of ‘truth’ and ‘right’ have simply become what one chooses them to be. Children are to be taught as part of the national curriculum that essentially what they believe is true; what they feel is right.

And which path will children follow when they are no longer taught right from wrong? Is this a strategy for a more cohesive or stable society? No, it is a recipe for lawlessness and confusion as every man does what is right in his own eyes (Judges 21:25).

Faith-based education may have its detractors, but those who pretend that education provided by the state is either religiously or morally neutral are deceiving themselves. Cranmer wonders, in the present climate, if faith schools – of whatever theological foundation – are not the lesser evil…


Anonymous Ulster Man said...

This is evidenced also in the rise of 'gay literature' in the classroom. Sex education is not about love, or responsibility. It is just a biological urge that can be expressed however you want. Teachers can't talk about 'normal sex' any more, because that discriminates, and homosexuality has to be seen as being equal. At best, we're teaching our kids to be gay hedonists, at worst, tantric anarchists.

15 December 2006 at 10:49  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The English have allowed The Party Political State to nationalise their children in much the same way as Nazi Germany harvested each crop for the Reich.

Education began with the Church and has now been fully absorbed by a State preaching a Productionist Message akin to that of the USSR. The essential character of schools deriving from parents, children, and teachers; has been subsumed into the equivalent of Collective Farms with output being the priority and quality being the lost element.

Disaffected pupils join with diaffected teachers and disengaged parents to produce a system where The Party Political State sends in its Commissars to hunt down saboteurs and renegades,

The objective of shaping society through shaping minds has produced a series of outcomes noone wishes to claim credit for, but credit is due to the party politicians who sought at all levels of administration to shape a populace to fit their own party political objectives.

Those whose parents inculcate values and value education as learning will become increasingly beleagured as the mantra of ideological dogmas becomes increasingly prevalent in what most consider to be another wasteland following Government cultivation.

15 December 2006 at 11:08  
Anonymous Voyager said...

No wonder BA doesn't like staff to wear the Cross


15 December 2006 at 11:32  
Anonymous newmania said...

tantric anarchists.

Yummy , pass the scented oils please. Homosexual and lesbian" parents are to have equal access to IVF and other measures says the DT today. I `d rather not , but you know how the gays sulk if they don1`t get their way.
I often wonder Cramner how you reconcile your faith`s loathing of Homosexuality and your slightly unmanly affection for Iain Dale ? Do you not wish to see him burning in the fiery pit for all eterernity. there seems little doubt he has coverted a neighbours ass on many occassions

No mention of Lord Mowbray Cramner.Not my cup of tea but rather up your antiquarian street I`d have thought .His ancestors were signatories to the Magna Carta .C has reminded us of some passages that are quite astonishingly pertinent.

Just a thought. BTW I notice when I turned up and attempted to engage someone in theological debate you all bravely ran away.
Very wise

15 December 2006 at 12:01  
Blogger Cranmer said...

I often wonder Cramner how you reconcile your faith`s loathing of Homosexuality and your slightly unmanly affection for Iain Dale ?

Mr Newmania,

His Grace has no idea what you are talking about. Firstly, the Christian faith does not 'loathe' homsexuality, not least because the term only originated as recently as the 19th century, and, as it is understood in the modern world, is mentioned nowhere in Scripture.

Secondly, what is this 'unmanly' affection for Mr Dale? Is manliness defined and determined by your subjective egomania? Do you have evidence of any impropriety?

Thirdly, His Grace does not wish to see any burning in the fiery pit of hell, but desires that all would come to the fullness of salvation.

Fourthly, If you have something intelligent and erudite to contribute on the matter of Mowbray, please share it.

15 December 2006 at 12:18  
Anonymous dexey said...

Your Grace,
You are spot on once again.
Our Junior school Christmas concert this year (performed before parents in the first week of December, how long until curriculum demands place it in November I wonder) was a series of catchy song and dance routines around the theme of Santa going on strike. The script included a note that if a nativity scene was required it could be inserted where indicated.
Santa Claus was a young Muslim - superb performance - Mrs Claus was a young Hindu, the various families players included a mix of races to reflect our diverse ethnic identities. This in a school that draws its pupils from a largely white, middle class area of the town.
I am not even sure that the head and teachers realise that they are sending subtle social messages to these young people who, by and large, grow up without God. The good news is, however, that many of the families turn to God and the Church during years 5 and 6. This enables them to get a vicar's support for the entry of their child to a C of E or RC secondary school.

15 December 2006 at 12:50  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Miss/Mrs/Ms Dexey,

His Grace welcomes you to his august blog of intelligence and erudition.

He has known for some time of the Damascus syndrome which appears to afflict many previously religiously-indifferent parents as their progeny nears the age of 10. It is, however, a testament to the generally higher moral standing and educational success of faith schools.

As for a Muslim Santa, His Grace exhorts all schools to consider an Eid play, or some such, in which Mohammed is played by a Jewish or Christian pupil.

15 December 2006 at 12:59  
Anonymous newmania said...

Well I am honoured by Your Graces kind attentions, however , notwithstanding the late invention of the term homosexuality (in fact any sexuality….1963 was it ?) the practice goes back a teensy bit longer. I think it would be fair to say the Christian Church has maintained a peculiar abhorrence for it , much more so than say Hinduism .
This comes at heart from the belief that sex is wrong and evil and sex entirely for pleasure is doubly wrong . When you meet St Paul he may have some severe words for you Cramner , that wife you hid will do you no favours either.. However since you are clearly one of those Liberal Christians who like to “let it all hang out “ no harm no foul “ Lets have a bit more tantric anarchy then.

I have no evidence of actual impropriety nonetheless I have a strong faith and I know you like that sort of thing.

On Lord Mowbray his obituary is in the DT today and makes for most interesting reading . He was head of one of the oldest Catholic families in the country and to me leaps straight form the pages of Evelyn Waugh. His direct ancestor was a signatory to the Magna Carta and my great chum Croydonian has mentioned this document could do with dusting down

+ (39) No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land.

+ (40) To no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice.

(41) All merchants may enter or leave England unharmed and without fear, and may stay or travel within it, by land or water, for purposes of trade, free from all illegal exactions, in accordance with ancient and lawful customs.

(45) We will appoint as justices, constables, sheriffs, or other officials, only men that know the law of the realm and are minded to keep it well.

What progress we have made (?)

Lord Mowbrays Life was exemplary in many small ways really and for all that I disapprove of the hereditary principle ( excepting the Monarchy) I cannot help liking him enormously. His bravery is without question like so many of his generation . When badly wounded at Caen ( he lost an eye) he demanded a priest before a Doctor . “ An indication of the priorities he remained unshakably committed to throughout his life”
He was above all passionate believe in historic institutions. Jolly funny to .

15 December 2006 at 13:01  
Anonymous newmania said...

some time of the Damascus syndrome
( Ho ho very good)

I am currently in the early stages myself and it is testament to the beneficial effects of "selection" . I have compelling statistical evidence of this.

BTW I am grateful for the excuse to go to church. I like the music and the words....

15 December 2006 at 13:05  
Anonymous Voyager said...


15 December 2006 at 13:18  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Newmania would do well to read up on German Nineteenth Century psychiatrists esp. Richard Freiherr von Krafft-Ebing and perhaps also Károly Mária Kertbeny

15 December 2006 at 13:23  
Anonymous newmania said...

Voyager amiable buffoonery does not become you. I was , of course, making a humorous allusion to Phillip Larkin’s well known poem

Sex was discovered in 1963
Far to late for you and me

( or something like that)

Tsk tsk your reading has been somewhat eccentric by the sound of it. Can I recommend more poetry and less dusty tomes concerning sexual deviancy.
You will not be babysitting for young master Newmania

15 December 2006 at 13:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ulsterman is right to highlight the pernicious influence of the sodomite movement. The sodomites are clearly targeting our children's education with the intention of legitimising their vile and abominable practices in the minds of our young people.
These perverts must be opposed by all true Christians.

15 December 2006 at 13:38  
Anonymous newmania said...

What did they do in Gomorrah?

15 December 2006 at 13:44  
Anonymous Voyager said...


Newmania, I had thought you were referring to the Chatterley Trial as Larkin no doubt was.

As for my reading - being wide it is no doubt eccentric in that it is possibly elliptical rather than must move away from the limiting constraints of concentricity

15 December 2006 at 13:47  
Anonymous Tombola said...

What did they do in Gomorrah?

Give in.............tell us in full graphic detail.............presumably the same as others of the Pentapolis

Maybe you should visit Judges 19:20-22

15 December 2006 at 13:53  
Anonymous newmania said...

Voyager you are a bad influence "things fall apart the centre will not hold ..."

I fear change.

15 December 2006 at 13:57  
Blogger Sir Henry Morgan said...


Yes, I've wondered about that question myself ... for some years now. We all know what a sodomite does, but what does a gomorrahite do?

Please, enlighten me/us.

15 December 2006 at 14:33  
Anonymous newmania said...

I didn’t mean I knew. I also have wondered for years with a view to trying it out .

On the basis the good and loving god of the Bible saw fit to slaughter the entire inhabitants my reckoning is that it must have been pretty saucy. I fear this exquisite wickedness will be denied to us all for eternity. For all I know the wraith of Cramner is even now entwined in some preposterous manner denied to us mere mortals .

Then again for all we know they were Morris dancers , ring tone enthusiasts , the people that put leaflets in the paper …. or any number of sins equally deserving of early smiting

At its heart Christianity is a religion of mysteries
This is one

15 December 2006 at 15:10  
Anonymous Colin said...

"What did they do in Gomorrah? "

They drank too much soda, as everybody knows.

That's why it is called Soda-and-Gomorrah!

15 December 2006 at 17:15  
Anonymous Colin said...

"the Christian faith does not 'loathe' homsexuality"

Strange that Bernd-Ulrich Hergemöller, Professor of History of the Middle Ages, published a book Sodom and Gomorrah: On the Everyday Reality and Persecution of Homosexuals in the Middle Ages:

"Sodom and Gomorrah provides a meticulously researched account of the lives, suffering, and everyday reality of homosexual men in Europe, between AD 500 and AD 1500. The author begins by tracing the development of relevant criminal law from the Romans to the beginnings of modern Europe,...Following a discussion of the anti-sodomite discourse of theology of the period, there is further exploration, .. of the ...persecutory aspects of same-sex existence in those times.." For questions, send him an Email.

15 December 2006 at 17:42  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Yes but I fear the rubric on the book makes several errors - one being the paucity of information available to the author, and the way the accusation of homosexual behaviour was used politically - viz. Philip, King of France had his henchman William de Nogaret accuse the Knights Templar of sodomy as one of his justification for destroying the Order......................Hitler started his campaign against the Catholic Church by planting press stories of Catholic priests and order to keep Pope Pius XI out of German affairs and force submission

The laws in the Middle Ages were against homosexual practice as a deviancy............only since the US Psychiatric Association was persuaded through dodgy politics to remove homosexuality from the DSM catalogue of psyciatric disorders have there been attempts to claim homosexuals as a genus as opposed to a proclivity.

15 December 2006 at 18:25  
Anonymous Voyager said...


It has however been a nice digression from the issue His Grace posited which was the perversion of Education to serve the interests of the political forces in control rather than that of parents.

15 December 2006 at 18:30  
Anonymous Dexey said...

Cranmer said...
His Grace....
.. .has known for some time of the Damascus syndrome which appears to afflict many previously religiously-indifferent parents as their progeny nears the age of 10. It is, however, a testament to the generally higher moral standing and educational success of faith schools.
12:59 PM

Regrettably your Grace I must report that bullying is as rife in these 'church' schools as any other.
Furthermore your Grace is undoubtably aware that the Damascene conversion is more often but a passing fad. Not for these converts 'faith until death'.

15 December 2006 at 19:32  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Regrettably your Grace I must report that bullying is as rife in these 'church' schools as any other.

All depends upon the Head

"Church" secondary schools are designer labels on failed comprehensives in many cases

15 December 2006 at 20:05  
Anonymous Dexey said...

Voyager said...
"Church" secondary schools are designer labels on failed comprehensives in many cases

8:05 PM

Does this mean that there are instances of failed comprehensives being taken on by the church in England and Wales?
My limited local experience suggests that they are very good to excellent comprehensives academically that have been church schools since their foundation.
I have heard good argument that all comprehensives are failures because no comprehensive has been allowed to be. They have always had the top pupils 'creamed' off the available 11 year olds by local grammar schools. Again, this is only local experience.

15 December 2006 at 22:08  
Anonymous Oiznop said...

Weird conclusion, Your Grace.

If education is amoral, that is tragic. But if the alternative is that morality is instilled through seventh century holy texts that may not be questioned, give me amoral education any day.

15 December 2006 at 23:14  
Anonymous Owd 'n' knackered said...

I can't get to grips with modern morality and all these new-fangled religions - Christianity, Mohammedism, Scientology.

In all my incarnations since 700BC, Buddha's disciples have taught me that the foundation of all ethics is "Not to cause unnecessary suffering to any sentient being"

Attempting to practise the advice, while meditating upon the meaning of 'causation', 'unnecessary suffering', 'cause of suffering', 'sentient being' and of course the nature of 'being' in itself, inevitably brings up questions such as "Does buying a packet of frozen prawns from your local supermarket in some way implicate you in 'Causing unnecessary suffering to sentient beings' in the same way that buying pate de foie grasse does?"

15 December 2006 at 23:27  
Blogger Newmania said...

I really can’t see what religion has to do with education given their intake Church schools do not do especially well. There is some debate about it but at the very least other factors must predominate.
Religion tends of its nature to be against learning as it claims to have the answers already . Admittedly in the 19th and 20th century those answers have become so vague that its hard to tell .Nonetheless its effect is very clear in America .

I read a theory about this many years ago . It was of the Prometheus myth and its equivalent the apple in the garden of Eden. It went along the lines of the origin of religion being in the origin of consciousness being at once a desirable but also terrifying thing . Religion is a coping mechanism for the very pain of consciousness and knowing . For this reason it is against separation and analysis these being the least instinctive human activities. I think it may have been Robert Graves , someone like him anyway., interested in comparative mythology.
CS Lewis claimed that the other myths prefigured the real thing but although this is clearly unanswerable as an assertion it feel most uninviting .

15 December 2006 at 23:29  
Blogger Newmania said...

the perversion of Education to serve the interests of the political forces in control rather than that of parents.

Yes I should add that I entirely agree with that.

15 December 2006 at 23:34  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Does this mean that there are instances of failed comprehensives being taken on by the church in England and Wales?

16 December 2006 at 07:04  
Anonymous Voyager said...

I am afraid Newmania you err. Even public schools such as Christ's Hospital were Christian Foundations. The Grammar Schools existed under the sponsorship of the Church of England..............the State Grammar schools emerged after 1900.

The destruction of the Grammar Schools being akin to that of the Kolkhoz in the USSR led to far lower yields, and yet today it is the Independent Sector that produces most undergraduates for Physics, Chemistry, Maths and most athletes for British sporting teams.

The fact that most C of E Schools are at primary level just means motivated parents have motivated children and the famed cluster-effect operates. The Christian Ethos in these schools is subdued in comparison to Muslim schools which have failed to adhere to Western curriculum.

The issue was not a problem before Muslim Schools - mainly private - became common - in order to get them to be supervised they were invited to join the State System. Thanks to the Secualrists they will probably stay independent and be sponsored by Saudi Arabia.

"Faith Schools" is a red-herring. The issue is whether Muslim Schools should be brought under State supervision as regards curriculum or not - seemingly people prefer them to be independent and set their own syllabus. So be it. But to confuse Islam with Judaism and Christianity is pathetic.

The real problem is that the terrorists who bombed on 7/7 went to British secular schools in the State sector, one was even a classroom assistant doing exactly the same job as Mrs Azmi wearing her veil in Dewsbury and having attended the very same mosque there

16 December 2006 at 07:12  
Blogger wrinkled weasel said...

Relativism is heading for a collision with itself.

Already liberal humanists cannot square the circle between multiculturalism and the homophobia, misogyny and fascism of Islam. - It presents them with a dichotomous problem of correctness, one among many.

At the core of relativism is the pyramid of rights. Various groups vie for these rights appealing for hegemony at the expense of others in a state of flux - an amoral soup - struggling for a place at the top of the pyramid.

There are many aspects to the power this affords people at the top of the curent pile, people such as homosexuals, ethnic minorities, prostitutes, etc.

I shall cite just one, but probably an important one. It is control of the language. When you have control of the language you control the agenda.

It is this which is at the heart of Cranmer's piece I think. "Right" and "Wrong", as words have proved too uncomfortable for those whose agenda goes against Biblical Truth. It is in their interests to make sure that in 50 years time, you won't even be able to have this conversation.

16 December 2006 at 17:20  
Anonymous Dexey said...

Newmania said...
the perversion of Education to serve the interests of the political forces in control rather than that of parents.

Isn't that what the 'citizenship' lessons are supposed to do?

16 December 2006 at 17:22  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Wrinkled Weasel you make the error of thinking liberal humanists seek consistency and coherence - you will be sorely disappointed.

They operate in spasm mode - even Aneurin Bevan called it an emotional spasm and thus can hold quite inconsistent positions without any sense of embarrassment; it is a childlike quality of railing against authority figures who are expected to be coherent, consistent, and predictable in their reactions

16 December 2006 at 18:29  
Blogger wrinkled weasel said...

A very good point, voyager and you are right - on reflection consistency and coherence rates fairly low on their list. I was mistaken in giving them a bit of rationality.

16 December 2006 at 19:03  
Blogger Newmania said...

Yes yes Voyager , wood for the trees as usual .I agree with that . I already have .Catholic schools in particular made a defence that in addition to the selective advantages they might have ,they produced better results with "working class boys " due to the specifically religious ethos of the schools.

This was disputed by the Report commission by the Dept. for Education and Skills “ who concluded that

“ Any performance impact from faith schools in England seems likely to be closely linked to autonomous governance and admissions arrangements and not to religious character “

My Brother is head of economics at a local Comprehensive and as he says . All teachers know who they want and who they do no within seconds .It doesn’t matter what the criteria is . Music , languages , it will be used the same way to compete on selection with other schools . This is why the Labour Party are so resistant to any selection and why the beneficial effects of a religious education are probably not there.
His grace will be pleased , or not , to know that my own damascene conversion begins tomorrow at St. Marks . I am forced into this position and have no compunction about the intellectual dishonesty whosoever…I still chuckle over the phrase though

16 December 2006 at 21:21  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Report commission by the Dept. for Education and Skills “ who concluded that

If I gave credence to anything emanating from the DfE I should indeed be in a sorry state. No institution has wrought more damage 9on schooling and universities than this inept Department of State.

I am indeed surprised that your brother has an Economics Dept when Business Studies was now used as the less-academic route to more A-Level passes.........

17 December 2006 at 07:16  
Blogger Newmania said...

The findings of the report are disputed by the C of E and it is certainly hard to imagine how conclusions of that sort could be untainted with bias.

..Yes indeed Business Studies which he also teaches.I make such remarks frequently !!!Very Good V

17 December 2006 at 08:40  

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