Friday, February 02, 2007

Baroness Cox: ‘Militant Islam poses the greatest threat to our culture’

While The Guardian persists in its multicultural mantra that Islam and Britishness are not incompatible, The Jerusalem Post has covered a speech made by Baroness Cox of Queensbury in the House of Lords, in which she asserted: ‘The threat of a militant and totalitarian form of Islam poses the greatest threat to our cultures today, and Israel is standing at the front-lines of this struggle against militant Islam which would destroy the values of our societies.’

Cranmer is unsure if there is or can be a non-totalitarian form of Islam, but The Guardian concedes there is a distinction to be drawn. The concern for them is not Islam, but ‘a particular type of politicised religious identity’. It includes ‘anti-western feelings’, and a sense of ‘victimisation’.

Ideological Islam, which Paul Goodman has termed ‘Islamism’, is increasingly viewed at Westminster as being incompatible with liberal democracy. It is antithetical the Judeo-Christian foundation of the United Kingdom; to the ‘spiritual, political and cultural values on which this nation has been based over the centuries’. Fusing faith and freedom, the Baroness implicitly defended the Protestant Settlement which has made the United Kingdom what it is, bestowing religious liberty upon all subjects of Her Majesty.

Other speakers at the meeting compared Islamism to the threat posed by Soviet Communism, with one stating that it was reminiscent of the threat of Nazi Germany. ‘We feel ourselves living in the 1930s all over again,’ the Baroness said. The choice before us is between appeasement and confrontation. The former is permitting the Islamist creed to spread; the latter is seen as politically unacceptable to the short-term shallowness of contemporary politics.

In his comparison of the Shari’a-obsessed Islamists with the BNP, did David Cameron give an indication of future Conservative policy on this crucial matter? He warned: "If we want to live together, we need to bring down the barriers that divide us. And today, I can feel the barriers going up, not coming down." He continued: "The BNP pretend to be respectable, but their creed is pure hate.”

Eschewing all notions of multiculturalism, rejecting the (over-)sensitivities of the Mohammedans, could it be that the Conservative leader is really more Churchill than Chamberlain?

28 Comments:

Anonymous Voyager said...

I consider Cameron to be a fantasist like Blair, save that Cameron has a career in fantasy and Blair had one in costume-drama.

Islam cannot be totalitarian if it is hemmed in and circumscribed by observant Protestantism; it then reverts simply to being conspiratorial.

The paranoia inherent in a credo that seeks to be dominant is to blame its lack of dominance on persecution rather than simple unattractiveness.

The Nazis blamed Jews for their setbacks, the Communists blamed Bukharinite-Trotskyist wreckers and bourgeois lackeys for their failures - it is part of the need to be infallible and portray victory as inevitable

It is an old adage that it is best to keep your enemies outside the city walls. It is an illustrative feature that the first British Governor of Palestine Mandate after 1918 was Herbert Samuel, Liberal, and the first Jewish Governor for 2000 years.

Given the role of choosing the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem he first pardoned a man actively seeking a Greater Syria solution to the post-Ottoman Empire; and thence involved in riots over Jerusalem and other "Palestinian areas".......then appointed him Grand Mufti.

Samuel led the Liberal Party and the Grand Mufti went to Berlin to see his new friend Adolf Hitler.

Why do people still think the story of the scorpion and the frog will turn out differently ?

2 February 2007 at 08:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jihad doesn't have to be spectacular explosions or videoed beheadings. Frequent low-level 'thug-jihad' within Dar al-Harb is equally effective. Muslim youths beating up and raping kaffir children is all part of the plan to ethnically cleanse ever increasing areas of Britain and turn them into Dar al-Islam.

Incidents of thug-jihad, unless involving murder or multiple paedo attacks are usually only reported in the local press, so no-one really seems to get the overall picture and joins up the dots.

2 February 2007 at 08:46  
Blogger The Rt Hon. Francis Urquhart MP said...

F.U. has come to the conclusion that David Cameron lacks the sheer political will, and strength of truly possessing a core immovable ideological identity to truly tackle to problem of radical/militant Islam in the United Kingdom.

As refreshing as it is to hear him say that the over indulgence of the liberal travesty multiculturalism is to blame, in part, for the increasing radicalisation of young Islamists in Britain, Mr. Urquhart is unsure that he will really have the sheer backbone to tackle the issue.

Tolerance is widely regarded as one of the greatest British national characteristics - and yes, F.U. asserts that this is true. But the liberal elite have highjacked the term tolerance to permit a self-destructive 'anything goes' permissibility, which has seen the systematic destruction of much of British national identity and culture.

We have allowed Muslims in Britain, through a liberalised indulgence, to seek the duplicitous psychology of "victimhood" and the struggle for dominance, as the Rt Rev Dr John Sentamu, the 97th Archbishop of York, has pointed out with abundant and articulate clarity.

The Baroness Cox of Queensbury couldn't be more right when she says that militant Islam is the greatest threat to our culture, but Mr. Urquhart says let us qualify this statement thus:

‘Militant Islam, along with ‘liberal’ permissiveness, poses the greatest threat to our culture’

Regrettably F.U. sees the current Leader of the Conservative Party has a constituent part of this liberal elite, although he has made some encouraging noises.

2 February 2007 at 08:59  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The British are not tolerant that is to confuse Indifference with Tolerance

2 February 2007 at 09:09  
Blogger The Rt Hon. Francis Urquhart MP said...

'Voyager', Mr. Urquhart assumes from your comments that you're not British, then.

2 February 2007 at 11:09  
Anonymous Voyager said...

'Voyager', Mr. Urquhart assumes from your comments that you're not British, then

I like the then as an emphatic hrrum but I am English

2 February 2007 at 12:24  
Anonymous Miss Jelly Bean said...

Cranmer is unsure if there is or can be a non-totalitarian form of Islam...

I'm most intrigued. why do you think this, Cranmer?

2 February 2007 at 14:20  
Blogger istanbultory said...

Permit me to assert some observations from one of your communicants in the Mohammedan lands.

Violence perpetrated by Muslims is clearly on the rise because the ideology of totalitarian Islam is on the rise. But are all Muslims beholden to this strain of Islamic totalitarianism.? Clearly not. Totalitarian Islam is still confined to isolated pockets of radicals. The trend is not a reason to condemn individuals merely because they are Muslim.
As for Dave Cameron, he has rightly said that extremism and multiculturalism were among the divisive factors which made people feel ashamed of being British. Very true. Cameron realises that he doesn't need to come out with detailed policies just yet but he does need to establish a recognisably Conservative tone as he has done on Muslim extremists and the multicultural lobby. His latest comments are thus to be welcomed.

2 February 2007 at 14:46  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Urquhart,

His Grace welcomes you to his venerable blog of intelligence and erudition. He has always been a great admirer of yours, and is delighted to hear of your resurrection following your dreadful assassination. Nasty wife.

Your knighthood is long overdue.

Miss Jelly Bean,

Cranmer is unsure if there is or can be a non-totalitarian form of Islam...

I'm most intrigued. why do you think this, Cranmer?


His Grace does not usually respond to inane questions, and can only presume you to be a student at some ineffectual school. The answer, of course, is quite simply that His Grace is unsure.

2 February 2007 at 16:57  
Blogger kris said...

Voyager

seeks to imply that as the nazi's blamed the jews for their set backs that we are blaming islam.

Firstly Mr V, I don't recall any suicide/homocide Jews crashing planes into buildings, blowing themselves and others up on public transport etc.

I'm with Mr Anon; join up the dots and it ain't a pretty picture.

And the moderate muslims? Hey THEY'RE angry about the recent arrests in Birmingham. Imagine how the rest of us feel!

One day, islamo-fascism will really get out of hand. This country, nor indeed anyone in Europe will have the stomach to fight- and it will be left to the Americans.

2 February 2007 at 21:55  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Oh Kris, how depressing...you misuse apostrophes - a very bad sign indicative of people who do not read...

The paranoia inherent in a credo that seeks to be dominant is to blame its lack of dominance on persecution rather than simple unattractiveness.

The Nazis blamed Jews for their setbacks, the Communists blamed Bukharinite-Trotskyist wreckers and bourgeois lackeys for their failures - it is part of the need to be infallible and portray victory as inevitable


Note the plural did not require an apostrope but you could not even copy it correctly

Voyager seeks to imply that as the nazi's [Nazis] blamed the jews for their set backs that we are blaming islam.

No he did not. Just the opposite in fact. It must be modern educationthat leads to an inability to comprehend. It is sad to see such distortions but then Kris continues in his erratic ways

Firstly Mr V, I don't recall any suicide/homocide Jews crashing planes into buildings, blowing themselves and others up on public transport etc.

No, we should not go back to 19th Century Russia and Narodnaya Volya should we ? Not look too closely at who murdered Tsar Alexander II in a suicide bombing in 1881

that we are blaming islam

Are you ? You clearly twist my words to suit your prejudices...at least we now know.

2 February 2007 at 22:24  
Anonymous Observer said...

and it will be left to the Americans.

We are indeed doomed.

2 February 2007 at 22:26  
Blogger kris said...

You will be doomed.

America will be free.

2 February 2007 at 22:31  
Blogger kris said...

No, we should not go back to 19th Century Russia and Narodnaya Volya should we ? Not look too closely at who murdered Tsar Alexander II in a suicide bombing in 1881

Most of the rest of us have tried to move on from the events of the 19th century. Hey, I can only suggest you do the same.

2 February 2007 at 22:34  
Blogger Sir Henry Morgan said...

Your Grace

Quite the most skilled slap down I've seen in many a long year.

The lesson in how to do it is very much appreciated.

3 February 2007 at 01:45  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Kris we try to attain some sort of intellectual level on this Blog - I am sorry you fall so short....must try and make allowances for your limited educuational grasp.

3 February 2007 at 07:01  
Anonymous Voyager said...

America will be free.

10:31 PM


We are all very happy for you....

3 February 2007 at 07:02  
Anonymous dexey said...

Anonymous said...
Muslim youths beating up and raping kaffir children is all part of the plan to ethnically cleanse ever increasing areas of Britain and turn them into Dar al-Islam.
Incidents of thug-jihad, unless involving murder or multiple paedo attacks are usually only reported in the local press, so no-one really seems to get the overall picture and joins up the dots.
8:46 AM

To my mind, which I confess is well below the standards shown by several of His Grace's communicants, there is, as yet, no evidence of an overall plan in the UK.
Assaults by muslims on non muslims in various parts of the UK seem to be local, often spontaneous, events and not part of a master plan.
At the higher level of bombings and kidnappings there has been no evidence to show that the various groups have been aware of each other let alone working to a master plan. I think that if there were links between the various groups, or an overall controller, the government would have said so to make us as scared as possible.

3 February 2007 at 07:25  
Anonymous Miss Jelly Bean said...

I don't see how my question is inane. You've basically stated that you have doubts about a non-totalitarian form of isam existing. Now I'm asking you why you have such doubts.
my question is as simple as that and I seriously don't see why you can't give me a simple answer.

P.S. I hope you've taken my previous advice about shaving. It's getting closer to summer and you might find it difficult breathing under that thing.
And what's this idea about me coming from an ineffectual school. you have a strange imagination.

3 February 2007 at 15:42  
Anonymous Colin said...

Kris,

Voyager said "Kris we try to attain some sort of intellectual level on this Blog - I am sorry you fall so short"

Don't take his insults personal. He believes that he knows everything and that - already in case of the slightest misunderstanding - he has the right to insult others simply because is a genius nobody can compare with. Ask yourself if a great intellect would behave like that.

Please forgive his intellectual intolerance. It is an deplorable trait traditionally encountered in Germany, a country where he is living now for some time.

Furthermore, we shouldn't blame him for the fact that his verbal aggression is contradictory to the fundamentals of Christian behavior. Because he already seems to be at a fairly old age which might be infered from his sentence, "It must be modern education that leads to an inability to comprehend."

The cognitive inflexibility of elder men deserves our lenience and sympathy.

3 February 2007 at 23:06  
Anonymous religion of pieces said...

HOW DO WE DESTROY ISLAM IN THE WEST BEFORE IT DESTROYS US?
The twin pillars of Islam in the West are ideological and social. Both need to be removed if Islam is to be eradicated as a major threat to our lives and well being.

IDEOLOGICAL PILLAR
A Muslim is one who believes that the Koran is the literal word of God, valid for all time. He also believes that Mohammed is 'al-insan al-kamil', the perfect man. Any attempt to find errors in the Koran, or question the character of Mohammed, will cause a frenzy of fanatical rage.

Mohammed is the one and only foundation of Islam. To question the integrity of his character is to open up the possibility that the whole system is a scam.

These two tribal totems – the Holy Book and the Prophet – are surrounded by appropriate tribal taboos and must be treated with superstitious awed reverence, as demonstrated by the outrage caused by the Koran in the toilet and the Danish Motoons.

Of course, by any reasonable standards the Koran is a pile of crap and rightly belongs down the toilet. It consists of mangled and misunderstood Judeo-Christian doctrines mixed with Mohamed’s projection of his own vicious, tyrannical ego onto a Supreme Being (or rather a Supreme Bogeyman), plus copious quantities of venomous and vitriolic ranting for those who refuse to believe this tripe. The Koran is also full of factual errors and contradictions

Similarly for the other totem. Mohammed is a repulsive scumbag, who if brought to justice in a modern country would be serving multiple life-sentences for a variety of crimes including murder, mutilation, torture and child-rape.

To attack the ideology we must continue to attack the two totems, by use of rational and ethical arguments and plain ridicule – which is highly effective as the Motoons have shown.

No one likes to realise they have been scammed or brainwashed into believing a load of B/S. Nevertheless, totally irrational and ridiculous ideologies may be widely believed, propagated and protected, if they serve the purpose of some ruling clique or power structure. Remember how the Stalinist and Nazi thugs established their power bases on the two irrational foundations of Marxist economics and German racial supremacy.

Truth and satire are not sufficient to destroy irrational belief systems where power is at stake.

SOCIAL PILLAR
Islam lives in a mutually-reinforcing symbiosis with a theocratic social-political power structure based on dominance and submission. The power structure is three-fold:

(a) At the top of the pile are the vicious manipulative Ulema – the power-obsessed Muslim clergy. They are the custodians of Sharia law and are judge, jury and executioner in Islamic countries. Such is the dominance, power and prestige of the Ulema that they can get anything they want. When Ayatollah Khomeini asked one of his congregation to lend him his four year old daughter for a pedophilic one-night-stand, the father happily agreed.

(b) Next is the ordinary Muslim man. Adult Muslim males are guaranteed absolute unfettered dominance over their women and children, who may be killed with impunity for bringing dishonor on their spouse or parents.

(c) At the bottom of the heap are the subjugated kaffirs – the infidels. Infidels living within Dar al-Islam are second-class citizens subject to severe discrimination and extortion, and are liable to be killed or enslaved if they fail to pay Jizya (protection money). Kaffirs living in Dar al-Harb are legitimate targets for robbery, rape, fraud etc by the Ummafia.

To eradicate Islam, this theocratic social-political power structure will also need to be abolished. The following steps must be taken if we are to survive…

(1) An immediate end to all Muslim immigration coupled with deportation of illegals.

(2) Reverse the PC policies which have made our country so attractive to Muslims. We have bent over backwards to appease their ever increasing demands, and what thanks do we get? Bombs on trains and soldiers beheaded. Make this country VERY unattractive to Muslims. (Sprinkle pig’s blood on all seats in planes, buses and trains?)

(3) Bug all mosques and madrassahs. When enough evidence has been collected nationwide, carry out a purge and jail and deport the murderous Ulema for sedition and incitement to violence. This will get rid of the vast majority of these vermin.

(4) Ban cousin marriage. Not only will this seriously disrupt Muslim breeding habits and so reduce their rate of growth (55% of Muslims marry their first cousins), but preventing inbreeding will also increase the intelligence and decrease the incidence of mental illness in the next generation, which has got to be bad news for the perpetuation of Islam.

(5) Make drama lessons compulsory in primary schools. Muslim pressure groups know the value of role-playing and are constantly trying to introduce da’wa into kaffir schools in the form of ‘let’s pretend we’re Muslims for a week’ etc. But this tactic can be used in reverse. Drama lessons using proper materials could increase the confidence and assertiveness of Muslim girls.

(6) Provide sanctuaries for women, girls and apostates attempting to escape from Islam.

(7) Introduce heavy and very obtrusive zero-tolerance policing in Muslim areas and searches of all Muslims at airports.

(8) No more appeasement of Islam in any form. Remember the dominance/submission psychology of Muslims. Like a dog, a Muslim needs to know who’s boss. They need to feel themselves to be subdued, otherwise they attempt to become dominant themselves.

(9) Strict controls on citizenship and the right to vote. Some sort of loyalty test (maybe national service) to be made compulsory before being allowed to vote.

(10) Anyone going around with their face covered in a public place must be arrested.

More on Muslim psychology at http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2006/11/20-things-you-should-know-about-islam.html

3 February 2007 at 23:55  
Blogger Jeremy Jacobs said...

Bit draconian isn't it?

4 February 2007 at 01:51  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Colin, your factual imprecision is complete. Do you write much fiction other than on this Blog ?

4 February 2007 at 06:26  
Anonymous Colin said...

Voyager,

"Colin, your factual imprecision is complete."

Are you talking about my claim that you are a genius?

Hhm.

4 February 2007 at 20:58  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The statement stands in its entirety since it is not qualified in any sense

5 February 2007 at 06:53  
Blogger kris said...

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5 February 2007 at 10:43  
Blogger kris said...

Colin

Cheers for that Sir,

It is apparant that Mr V has issues that I or indeed even the Archbishop are NOT in the position to assist him with...

10:43 AM

5 February 2007 at 10:45  
Anonymous Colin said...

Voyager,

said "The statement [that Colin is writing fiction] stands in its entirety since it is not qualified in any sense." OK, I withdraw my claim that you are a genius if you insist. Although your behavior gave the impression that you believe that you are.

However, it is not correct that the statement is not qualified in any sense because you clearly wrote: "Kris we try to attain some sort of intellectual level on this Blog - I am sorry you fall so short"

Apparently, this is an insult and the reason why I wrote "He believes ... that - already in case of the slightest misunderstanding - he has the right to insult others"

Your insult is hard to deny. Like the bully at school, you enjoy to put people down. Hence, let me reply with your own words by substituting your name for Kris' and civilized for intellectual:

Voyager we try to attain some sort of civilized level on this Blog - I am sorry you fall so short.

Because Kris didn't harm you in any way. He simply misunderstood you. However, you - a person endlessly lecturing about Christian values - tried to destroy Kris' self-esteem. That's cruel and a sign of insecurity. Loosen up, Voyager, relax or take 10 mg of Valium.

6 February 2007 at 23:46  

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