Sunday, July 22, 2007

Will Turkey vote for Islam? (update: yes, it did...)

As Turkey holds what is being billed as the most important parliamentary elections in its history, the secular is said to be confronting the Islamic. The election was called early to defuse a political crisis over the ruling party's choice of presidential candidate. But while the governing AKP talks of its economic legacy and hopes joining the EU, the opposition parties have focused on accusing the Islamic-rooted party of threatening Turkey's secular system. The situation is not helped by Erdogan’s threats of invading Northern Iraq to resolve the Kurdish issue, which has been responsible for 70 Turkish deaths this summer, and is fuelling nationalism and nationalist candidates. A key player among them is the Republican People's Party, or CHP, which was established by Turkey’s founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. It maintains his secularist legacy, but has slid into overt nationalism, and opposition to EU membership ‘in defence of national interests’.

But this is a fraction of the story. Turkey is not as secular as is popularly believed; indeed, there are state ‘favours’ and financial advantages for Islam which Christianity manifestly does not enjoy. Since the 1980 military coup, schoolchildren attend obligatory classes in Islam, and there is no freedom of speech. The hijab is also making a return, despite the constitutional prohibition. And Christians have been imprisoned and murdered for daring to even question the tenets of Islam. Indeed, some have been murdered whether they have questioned Islam or not; the mere whiff of accusation is deemed sufficient for the self-appointed defenders of Mohammed to follow his example, and slaughter the kuffar.

And Turkey’s ‘secular’ state turns a blind eye to all this, and more. Reports persist of its ill treatment of women, and the use of torture, and Turkey also has a pathological inability to accept responsibility for its past. It remain illegal to even talk of the genocide of over a million Armenians during the First World War, and any inference that Kurds are being killed or being denied fundamental human rights will be met with arrest for ‘insulting the national character’.

According to Colonel Gaddafi (in whom Cranmer places no credibility or recognises any authority, but cites in this instance because on this issue he may indeed be right), ‘Turkey will be an Islamic Trojan Horse inside the European Union if it is allowed to join the bloc, to the advantage of Al Qaeda terror chief Osama Bin Laden and other extremists’. Islam and Islamism are certainly fermenting into a formidable force in Turkey, and the implications for the EU ‘Christian Club’ are considerable. While some argue that a Turkey in the EU would be compelled to change its view of religion and adapt its culture, leopards and spots come to mind.

UPDATE:

With a turnout estimated at 80 per cent(!) in a country of 74 million people, it is confirmed that Turkey has in fact voted for Islam. And with quite a sizeable majority. The Islamist-rooted Justice and Development party (AKP) won 46.4 per cent of the popular vote, giving it 340 seats in the 550-seat parliament.

So Recep Tayyip Erdogan is re-elected as Turkey's prime minister. One now awaits the reaction of the army as he attempts to re-appoint fellow former Islamist, foreign minister Abdullah Gul, as president.

There is now a distinct possibility of a military coup, and this result scuppers all hopes of Turkey's accession to the EU (not least because the French possess the ultimate veto with their constitutional requirement to hold a referendum on the matter).

22 Comments:

Anonymous Moomintroll said...

As I have posted elsewhere, if Turkey is allowed to join the EU it will become Islam’s Trojan horse in Europe. One of the most dangerous outcomes of this for us is that, with Europe’s open borders policy is that Turkey will be a gateway through which unlimited numbers of Muslims, including extremists and terrorists will enter Europe, an guess where many of them will end up. If Turkey is allowed to join the EU then Britain must immediately leave.

22 July 2007 at 11:28  
Anonymous Dr Mabuse said...

His Grace asks if Turkeys vote for Christmas and I believe some do and other do not....some get eaten

22 July 2007 at 11:57  
Anonymous Voyager said...

I. Department of Religious Affairs

ARTICLE 136. The Department of Religious Affairs, which is within the general administration, shall exercise its duties prescribed in its particular law, in accordance with the principles of secularism, removed from all political views and ideas, and aiming at national solidarity and integrity.


It does not fulfil these obligations but sponsors Muslim Umbrella Organisations in Germany which refuse to meet in Round Table Discussions unless the German Government changes immigration law to satisfy these groups funded by this Ministry in Turkey.......nor are Christian Churches allowed to own land, or to train priests

22 July 2007 at 12:03  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Your Grace, a question: If Britain had nothing to do with the EU, would you be as concerned about Turkey's possible participation?

Is it the principle that prompts your unease or a sense of protection of one's people?

22 July 2007 at 12:21  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Ms Snuffleupagus,

Your question is devoid of a foundational premise. His Grace would have 'concerns' about Turkish accession to the EU whether or not the UK was a member. The issue is one of culture, heritage, outlook, and the understanding of the rights and dignity of man; not self-defence or narrow issues of nationalism.

22 July 2007 at 12:31  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Your Grace - Not sure I understand what you mean by 'devoid of foundational premise' but you have answered my question: it is about principle. I thought so, but I wasn't sure, and wanted confirmation. Thank you.

22 July 2007 at 18:09  
Blogger The Hitch said...

A regular European likes a wench and a bottle, but your Turk prefers a pipe and a pathic , the Turk is wise

Lord Byron


It is a strange truth that many Muslims are knob jockeys.
Another reason to avoid them IMHO.

22 July 2007 at 19:21  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Erdogan has a majority - after 56% votes have been counted his AKP Party has 48.5% - the first votes counted are from the strictly Muslim east of the country - after 17.00 BST the rest are counted and suggest he will have 334 seats - a majority but not enough to alter the Constitution


After 85% votes counted he seems to have 331 seats out of 550

Maybe they'll get a military coup ?

Source: Die Welt

22 July 2007 at 19:45  
Blogger Johnny Norfolk said...

They have and their EU membership is dead.

23 July 2007 at 08:02  
Anonymous Dr Mabuse said...

Johnny Norfolk said...

They have and their EU membership is dead.


Well three days ago Germany commemorated the failure of a military coup in 1944 - Tom Cruise is currently filming yet another movie about it - and Germany became a founder member of the EU

23 July 2007 at 08:37  
Blogger Jomo said...

The leading supporter in the EU of Turkey's membership is Britain.

Wasn't the opening of negotiations a priority for the last British presidency? As I understand it, all three major parties are in favour of Turkish membership.

Sadly the secular elite in Britain continues to ignore the existing threats to our security. Britain and the EU support an independent Kosovo. It is already a training ground for jihadists.

Unhappily Your grace is increasingly "a voice crying in the wilderness."

23 July 2007 at 09:37  
Anonymous Observer said...

Wasn't the opening of negotiations a priority for the last British presidency?

Yes because the USA wanted it to help Turkey agree to US troops invading Iraq from the North

23 July 2007 at 10:15  
Blogger Jomo said...

In 2005?

23 July 2007 at 10:36  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

One only has to look at the effect that a minority of turks have upon the german and belgian political process, to see where turkish membership of the eu would leave us,since the political parties in turkey inform its members in europe who to vote for, the turks are organising european internal politics from outside, i thought that this practice was illegal,not to mention treasonous, and indeed as the proportion of muslims increase in this country we can only expect the same, or worse, look at southall, a place in England where no Englishman can realistically stand for election to his parliament.I always thought that the other side of the Bosphorous was asia-minor, and its inhabitants were the implacable foes of europe, especially the greeks, who have suffered thier yolk more than once in recent times, and for the rest of us, lepanto and vienna, we have not changed, and i doubt that they have, due to the gravity of this situation extending the benefit of the doubt would be folly, we are already paying the price for supping with our enemies, and we are now allowing them to subvert our "democratic "process and cheat the indiginous population of a proper say in certain areas of our country.

23 July 2007 at 12:25  
Anonymous Sir HM said...

I drove through Turkey by motorbike in 1982, just after their last military coup.

I got the general impression that the Turkish people were rather happy to see armed soldiers walking around. I know I was happy about it.

It gave me the confidence to face down a policeman south of Ankara who tried to extort money from me on an isolated stretch of road. He just didn't dare push it too far with the risk of having to explain himself to the army afterwards.

23 July 2007 at 13:13  
Blogger istanbultory said...

Turkey's (shrinking) secular constituency and, of course, the generals, look at Mr Erdogan with justified suspicion. Many in Turkey claim he is still a secret Islamist seeking to create an Islamic state. I belong to the latter. And make no mistake....there is a huge Islamic revival going on here. His Grace is right to note that support for secularism is increasingly thin on the ground.
Since assuming office nearly five years ago, PM Erdogan has publicly endorsed the lifting of restrictions on women wearing Islamic-style headscarves in government offices and schools, attempted to criminalise adultery and approved of alcohol bans by AKP party-run municipalities. It's also worth noting that in a recent interview Erdogan described his attitude to Saudi Arabia in the following terms:"We are not only bound by friendship, but by ties of brotherhood, as people of the same civilization." It's not difficult to see why many might view Erdogan with suspicion...

When one considers that literacy rates in Turkey are far below European Standards: more than 22% of Turkish women are illiterate and that Turkey's average annual income is far below the EU average: $2,530 (World Bank), the appeal of political Islam should not be too difficult to understand.
As for a military coup...that is not likely just yet. I believe the gernerals are rather hoping that the EU will show Turkey the door later this year (Sarkozy to the rescue). Once that happens, the military may decide to do make a move...

The consequences of Turkey ever joining the EU are almost too painful to contemplate. One example. Martti Ahtisaari, a former Finnish president, once headed a panel investigating potential migration from Turkey to the EU and concluded that 2.7 million Turkish migrants, about four percent of the Turkish population might emigrate to the EU. While President Sarko is leading a courageous charge against Turkey's EU membership, the EU institutions are fighting back in Turkey's defence.
Given that the UK currently has no immigration controls whatsoever, Istanbul Tory is genuinely mystified that nobody in Blighty seems to be bothered about the implications of Turkey joining the EU....

23 July 2007 at 13:35  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Istabultory,

His Grace thanks you for your empirical contribution, and seeks to inform you that he is most definitely bothered.

23 July 2007 at 14:35  
Anonymous CCTV said...

If only we could boost the British Army to say 200,000 men plus another 150,000 in the TA we would have a government in waiting for the day when our political parties implode

23 July 2007 at 14:49  
Anonymous Sir HM said...

Your Grace

The street is most definitely bothered too. But what the street needs is credible leadership.

cctv

Yes.

23 July 2007 at 16:46  
Blogger istanbultory said...

Istanbul Tory notes, with some amusement, that the editorial in todays "Guardian" attempt to paint the ruling AKP as Blairite social democrats. I hardly know whether to laugh or cry...

24 July 2007 at 11:09  
Anonymous CCTV said...

attempt to paint the ruling AKP as Blairite social democrats.

War in Northern Iraq beckons....

24 July 2007 at 17:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a very definate agenda here to Islamify Europe and Parliament is in on the act.
Bosnia and Kosovo were abour setting uop Muslim states, if you read the alternative media it was Christian Serbia that had to respond in the face of increasing Islamic terrorist attacks.
Yet our Media and Govts demonised Serbia.
I've even seen British Blogs stating that while Nato was supposedly disarming the KLA, in fact it was issuing them with better equipment.
It seems all over the world, Islam is receiving help in conflicts....
Has it been decided by the NWO that Islam is to become the worlds religion.

31 October 2007 at 00:32  

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