Monday, August 06, 2007

Conservatives promise Eid and Diwali bank holidays

It would appear that a Conservative victory at the next General Election is all the more worthy of making an object of prayer, for ‘David Cameron's Conservatives’ have promised to give the nation at least two more bank holidays. Whether one should make non-Christian religious festivals into national holidays is moot, but there are clearly pagan precedents in May, and in this anti-Christian and increasingly multi-faith milieu in which we live, it is becoming more difficult for politicians to stem the tide of pluralism and relativism.

The pledge for Diwali was made during campaigning for Ealing Southall by-election, and the appeal was distinctly to the majority Sikh population. Or so ‘Christian Voice has learned’. They seem to have learnt this without stating their source, but further inquiries have revealed that the pledge was heard by both opponents and supporters of the Conservative Party. It was broadcast over loudhailers from cars on the day of the by-election, and was made ‘only in Punjabi, Urdu and Hindi’. Christian Voice reports that the Diwali pledge was extended to include Eid-ul-Adha and Guru Nanak's birthday.

The Rev George Hargreaves, leader of the Christian Party, said: ‘To elevate Eid or Diwali to the same status as Christmas would not only undermine Christianity in Britain; it would totally destroy British culture. To not even use English to convey this policy is nothing less than treacherous.'

The curious thing is that the Conservative Party has consistently resisted the establishing of any new bank holidays, particularly those being requested by the majority, indigenous, white, English population. A few years ago, there was a proposal to make Trafalgar Day (21st October) a bank holiday, in celebration of a victory which was once widely commemorated by parades, dinners and other events throughout much of the British Empire. And neither the Labour Government nor HM Opposition will agree to make St George's Day (which is, conveniently, also Shakespeare’s birthday) a national bank holiday. But we are supposed to stomach Eid and Diwali.

Well, Mr Cameron, the pledge for minority ethnic bank holidays may have been made in the frenzied heat of a by-election, but it was a foolish strategy which can only fuel already smouldering race relations. The Mohammedans have already made demands for Eid-ul-Adha to become a national holiday, and it will not stop there. Grant one, and you will be under pressure to grant another, and another.

Roman Catholics have many Holy Days of Obligation on which they are obliged to attend Mass, but these are not national holidays. They do not therefore get time off work; they simply have to attend an early morning or evening Mass. The Jews have every right to agitate for their New Year, or the Day of Atonement, and with the Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, and Jedi Knights, the list of national holidays would eventually outnumber national workdays.

Making Eid and Diwali into bank holidays would be as alien to the culture of the United Kingdom as celebrating 4th July would be in Saudi Arabia, or Guy Fawkes Night in India. Cultures may adapt, but heritage is constant. Multi-culturalism is becoming the new mono-culture and the nexus of its creed is political correctness. The United Kingdom is Christian out of Pagan, and the overwhelming majority wish to keep it like that. So if Mr Cameron is serious about establishing new bank holidays, and he genuinely perceives this to be an election-winning strategy, while Eid and Diwali would appear to have a negligible effect at the ballot box, he would be sure to find tens of thousands of votes in St George’s Day.


Anonymous Voyager said...

I heard this too and discounted it as a Lit Family Offering to the ballot box guardians - bribery with public holidays so to speak. No doubt a real boon to small businessmen throughout Southall as they paid higher wage rates or had to close.

It shows how little control these political parties exercise over non-English language groups they co-opt - it is the village politics of the Indian Subcontinent they unleash as if with official blessing of the District Commissioner.

Cameron ought to read Edgar Wallace - Sanders of the River - to see how he must come across with some of these 'ethnic villagers' in British is as if he has sanctioned the local nabob to offer whatever it takes to win over the villagers to the agenda of his colonial superiors.

6 August 2007 at 10:02  
Blogger Nadim said...

When a nation is made up of different ethnicities, and always has been, why not have different bank holidays for each group? The English don't get St Andrew's Day, and the Welsh, Scots and English don't get St Patrick's Day. So the Muslims should be allowed a holiday for Eid-ul-Adha, and Hindus and Sikhs should get Diwali. Such flexibility and accommodation of plurality is part of what it means to be British.

6 August 2007 at 10:25  
Blogger Thomas B said...

Your Grace,

While you are correct that RCs have "many Holy Days of Obligation on which they are obliged to attend Mass, but these are not national holidays." I am not so sure your next sentence "They do not therefore get time off work; they simply have to attend an early morning or evening Mass." reflects the full truth.

My own employer has a religious tolerance policy that requires managers to be flexible over time off for non Christian festivals for employees of that faith, and for RCs to allow us the flexibility to attend Mass. Note that this is not an additional holiday allowance - days off must be used or the hours worked later instead.

The distinct impression I get from the internal documentation on this is much of this is driven by legal requirements.

6 August 2007 at 10:28  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Thomas B,

His Grace's point was that it is not an additional holiday allowance. Making such days a 'bank holiday' would oblige everyone to holiday on the same day, and that is an unacceptable coercion.

There is no problem with taking Eid or Diwali (or Holy Days of Obligation) off work, as long as there is a system to 'pay back' the time taken off. There is, however, no statutory requirement for this; it is very much at an employer's discretion. If these days' holiday were permitted through statutory instrument, headteachers in Muslim and Sikh populated areas would be forced to close their schools for Eid and Guru Nanak's birthday. They do not, and nor should they.

Mr Nadim,

The holidays to which you refer are steeped in British history and reflect the ethnicities that make up the constituent nations of the United Kingdom. Muslims and Sikhs constitute neither a separate nation nor a distinct ethnicity.

6 August 2007 at 11:00  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The English don't get St Andrew's Day, and the Welsh, Scots and English don't get St Patrick's Day.

and Nadim...the English DON'T get ST GEORGE's DAY

6 August 2007 at 11:00  
Anonymous Voyager said...

You also forget that St Patrick's Day and St Andrew's Day are NOT religious holidays but NATIONAL Days.....the English do NOT get St George's Day as a holiday as a National Day..........and they get no Saints Days' Holidays as Christian Holidays

6 August 2007 at 11:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"and the appeal was distinctly to the majority Sikh population."

Hindus too.

6 August 2007 at 11:22  
Anonymous 16words said...

Words fail me on this, except to say that I find it extremely annoying that some immigrants appear to have come to think they own the place. Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a culturalist. Our culture is better than theirs, and that's why they're here.

6 August 2007 at 12:02  
Blogger Liberal Republican said...

Your Grace,

You make an excellent point regarding the creation of more religious holidays.

I am a resident of the City of Canterbury. Home to the Church of England. And a Tory safe seat since 1860s. Why he promised such a thing, I don't know. A policy like this will cost him Canterbury.

6 August 2007 at 12:09  
Blogger Didactophobe said...

Eid ul Adha is a festival based on a belief which fundamentally contradicts the Christian and Jewish scriptures. Muslims teach that Abraham was instructed to sacrifice Ishmael, not Isaac.

This may seem a minor point to your non-Christian and non-Jewish readers, but it is from this that Muslims claim that the Christian and Jewish scriptures are false; that Ishmael was the true heir to Abraham and consequently the Holy Land belongs to the descendants of Ishmael (the Arabs) and not the descendants of Isaac (the Jews).

To make this a national holiday would therefore be a fundamental attack on Christian and Jewish beliefs and effectively elevate Islam to be the de facto state religion. It is no minor matter, as the Muslims are well aware.

Diwali is essentially an Indian New Year festival. Although it is used by Hindus to celebrate the defeat of Ravana and for the worship of Lakshmi, it is more secular than religious. There is no more reason for the rest of us to celebrate Diwali than to celebrate Chinese New Year. I can see little harm in them, but little point in making them public holidays.

6 August 2007 at 12:11  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

It does not seem to have occured to this fool Who "leads"the conservative party that there is no way that English Christians would be able to accept or take part in the celebrations of idolaters,indeed by offering no opposition to the marxist traitors he does a monumental dis-service to the indiginous population of England who have no-one to champion thier cause in the face of labours tyranny, but perhaps this is the intention in order for him and his ilk to climb aboard the euro-gravy train and damn the rest of us, i conclude that he is a small man with neither the grace nor honour to prevent the abuse of the tollerant nature of the English people.

6 August 2007 at 12:20  
Anonymous The Recusant said...

You Grace will remember that I discussed this very issue with Mr Jomo in Water, water everywhere… on July 24 (9:56 PM). My conclusion then was 'Cameron won’t do, he won’t do at all and the sooner he goes the better.' and it still is, 'He has to go.'

As an aside it is noteworthy that in a previous life His Grace was instrumental in suppressing Parish Ales, Feast and Holy Days in England to the point where English men and women resented and resisted such centralised government edicts. Not to be usurped by a bunch of country bumpkins His Grace, in a magnanimous gesture ensured their compliance with a series of fines and imprisonment. We can also thank Your Grace for the practice of holding Weddings and Baptisms at weekends rather than, as was common on weekdays as being concerned as you were that country folk should spend Monday to Friday in full and productive gainful employment and not be a burden to their employers by taking the odd day off. In the majority of cases such gentry were ardent supporters of maximising their profits and like His Grace eager for the quick smash and grab on church property land, animals, crops and assorted assets.

The actions of His Grace all those years ago are primarily why today, we in the UK have less public holidays than any of our European counterparts. And although I fully support having both Trafalgar and St Georges day as public Holidays I can’t hep feel that there is a little irony in His Graces position, its funny that what goes around, comes around.

6 August 2007 at 12:44  
Blogger Peter Mc said...

Your grace, how about a day dedicated to another white bearded man who many of think has the answers. Charles Darwin, 12th February. A great English botanist, geologist, zoologist, explorer, circumnavigator, author and founder of the theory of natural selection. A true gentleman, destined for the cloth until his head was turned by natural sciences and later the fair Emma Wedgewood, a good Anglican who feared for her husband's soul.

6 August 2007 at 14:13  
Blogger Cranmer said...

'...fewer public holidays', Mr Recusant, fewer. And irony it is that a purge on the profusion of idolatrous Holy Days of Obligation has brought us to demands for holy days for every other god under the sun.

6 August 2007 at 14:24  
Anonymous Sir HM said...

Nadim said:

"" When a nation is made up of different ethnicities, and always has been ... So the Muslims should be allowed a holiday for Eid-ul-Adha, and Hindus and Sikhs should get Diwali. ""

The different ethnicities that this country "always has been" made up of are English, Welsh, Scottish, Irish. In 1950 there were an estimated 40,000 immigrants in this country. A negligible number. So you are being disingenuous here, when you imply that it includes Muslims etc. And that implication IS present in your words.

There are, admittedly, something like 6-8 million immigrants and their descendants here. Apart from the initial 40,000, all have arrived in the past 50 years or so. This WILL be - not entirely, but almost so - reversed in the next 50 years or so. So why bother introducing the holidays? The only people who will stay will be those that have fully integrated into the British attitudes, values and ways of life, and ordinary BRITISH holidays will do just ncely for them thank you very much. They too will think this. If an immigrant feels the way of life in his old country was better, then why did he bother coming here in the first place? Surely no rational person would move from a superior place to an inferior place unless it was for the purpose of colonisation rather than immigration?

We will not be colonised Nadim. We British are not entirely made up of fools; that is something reserved to our governers. Our governers can and will be replaced in the coming generation. Nobody in the world knows better than the British what colonisation is, and what its signs are: after all, look at our history and all the people we've done it to in our time. We'll not allow it to be done back to us.

Nadim also said:

"" Such flexibility and accommodation of plurality is part of what it means to be British. ""

Is it? Says who?

6 August 2007 at 15:09  
Blogger Wrinkled Weasel said...

Mr Cameron seems to write another paragraph of his suicide note every day. How can traditionally minded Conservatives vote for someone who favours pandering rahter than principles?

Nadim. You are welcome to live in Britain as long as you obey the law and remember that this is our culture, our heritage and our democracy. I don't want "equality" with cultures and faiths from other continents because the baggage they bring is in stark opposition to our way of life. It is also often anti-democratic and morally inferior. We don't practice mutilation of women, amputation for thieves, or require our women to wear veils. Nor do we favour flogging homosexuals (even if they deserve the odd slap now and again just to shut them up) We try and run free and fair elections. We believe in the principle of equality and fairness, but you Mr Nadim are, as we say, "having a laugh".

6 August 2007 at 16:41  
Anonymous CCTV said...

"" Such flexibility and accommodation of plurality is part of what it means to be British. ""

It is how the British Empire was run - in a tolerant outpouring of humanity and with a yearning for diversity and multiculturalism as Subjects of His Majesty King George VI, Indiae Imperator well understood.

Having expressed a desire to fulfill the J S Mill dictum that "Good Government is no substitute for Self-Government"
King George VI was the last British Monarch to be Ind. Imp.

Having relinquished our duties in civilising the world the nation retired to a secluded part of the North Atlantic to meander through the coming years in tranquillity without disturbance from the travails of the Subcontinent.

We have no wish to be disturbed by the caterwauling and bleatings of those who cannot govern their own country and seek to reduce our sceptred isle to the same tragic shambles they have made of that which was given to them 60 years ago

6 August 2007 at 17:30  
Blogger A S Grey said...

I agree fully with wrinkled weasel, especially his first two lines.

Mr Cameron is either totally ignorant of what conservatism means or just accidentally signed up to the wrong party. He really needs to get a grip or step down and pass leadership over to a real conversative.

What a pity that those who scream and shout can now have most influence over politics, whereas the intelligent philosophers who ponder and probe are trampled upon.

6 August 2007 at 18:20  
Anonymous The recusant said...

You Grace,

Fewer or less, alas I am not an academic nor had I the benefit of even a grammar school for my Alma Mata so I beg your indulgence for my lack of education. However there is no avoiding it, you were a nasty piece of work in your time [colloq] even though you got toasted for your trouble.

I trust you don’t impugn we RC’s as idolaters, after all your genesis, like it or not is in the same Church of Rome, and even if you are now only an ‘Ecclesiastical Community’ you still worship the same Christian God, however imperfectly, the knowledge of which you obtained at the feet of Peter.

As for the Holy Days of Obligation, I think I am safe in saying we Catholics cannot think of a better way to spend an extra hour than before the Blessed Sacrament in worship. What a prize Holy Mother Church has given, what a privilege, and you snatched them away like a thief in the night in favour of making the faithful work an extra hour in the fields.

Will you be at Divine Service on Christmas Day this year, it’s on a Tuesday?

Finally I would contend that rather than ‘a purge on the profusion of idolatrous Holy Days etc’ being an irony; it is tragically, poetic justice; had you left them well alone 450 years ago there would not be any room in the calendar now for these interlopers.

6 August 2007 at 20:00  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Fewer or less, alas I am not an academic nor had I the benefit of even a grammar school for my Alma Mata

Your professions of ignorance extend to grammar and a failure to note "less" is of degree, "fewer" if of quantity - and seemingly to Latin where "mater" seems to have appeared in an exotic form in your breviary.......but I notice your "lack of education" falls away as soon as you articulate your Romish Prejudice against His Grace murdered by the wife of the King of Spain

6 August 2007 at 22:08  
Anonymous The recusant said...

Mr Voyager,

Always an education with your good self, I shall now remember the distinction, however I hope not too ignorant.

As for my Romish Prejudice, I would offer the defence of another heretic who avoided the flames, "Here I stand, I can do no other, God help me."

6 August 2007 at 23:36  
Anonymous najistani said...


No doubt as the third anniversary approaches, the MSM will use all the old terminology - 'separatists', 'hostage-takers' , 'activists', 'freedom-fighters', 'youths' etc. No mention of the I-word nor the M-word. Al-Beeb didn't even call them terrorists. It was just a little local dispute between neighbours. Nothing to do with the Religion of Peace.

However, according to Wikipedia [ ] our Saudi friends and allies may not have been unaware of this razzia:

"Arab and alleged al-Qaeda involvement
Shortly after September 3, 2004, official Russian sources stated that the attackers were part of an international group led by Shamil Basayev that included a number of Arabs with connections to al-Qaeda, and said they picked up phone calls in Arabic from the Beslan school to Saudi Arabia and another undisclosed Middle Eastern country.[44]

At least two English/Algerians are among the identified terrorists partaking actively in the attack: Osman Larussi and Yacine Benalia. A third, UK citizen Kamel Rabat Bouralha, arrested while trying to leave Russia immediately following the attack, is suspected to be a key organizer. All three were linked to the Finsbury Park Mosque of north London.[45][46] Russia also claimed that alleged al-Qaeda agent Abu Omar al-Saif was responsible for financing the attack."

More info:

"The media in the United States have been oddly fastidious in failing to report one aspect of last week’s horror in Beslan: that several Russian girls were raped by Muslim terrorists in front of their parents and classmates. ..... The behavior of Chechen terrorists in Beslan, disgusting in every gory detail by the standards of civilized humanity, was justified by the tenets of Islam and by the personal example of the cult’s inventor, Muhammad. "


see also

"THE full horror of the Russian school atrocity began to emerge yesterday as traumatised children told horrific tales of stabbed babies and brutal rapes. "


As well as being raped, the children were also forced to drink their own urine. These are classic Islamic practices of 'humiliating' the Kuffar till they 'feel themselves subdued' as demanded by the Koran (Sura 9:29).

The blogosphere needs to set the record straight on this atrocity. The petrodollar-bribed MSM never will. And there isn't a snowball's chance in Mohammed's final abode that anyone would even consider whether schools in America and Europe might be at risk from a repeat performance. That would be just too Separatistophobic.

7 August 2007 at 00:21  
Anonymous Voyager said...

"Here I stand, I can do no other, God help me."

Weil denn Eure Majestät und die Herrschaften eine einfache Antwort begehren, so will ich eine geben, die weder Hörner noch Zähne hat, dermassen: Wenn ich nicht durch Schriftzeugnisse oder helle Gründe würde überwunden werden (denn ich glaube weder dem Papst noch den Konzilien allein, weil feststeht, daß sie öfter geirrt und sich selbst widersprochen haben), so bin ich überwunden durch die von mir angeführten Schriften und mein Gewissen gefangen in Gottes Worten; widerrufen kann ich nichts und will ich nichts, weil wider das Gewissen zu handeln beschwerlich, unsicher und nicht lauter ist. Hier stehe ich, ich kann nicht anders, Gott helfe mir, Amen."

7 August 2007 at 07:05  
Blogger Quality Tale said...

They have taken good seems to affect the very good relationships between the countries...and also the business world !!!! Congratulations to Conservatives !!!

19 August 2007 at 10:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am currently in the midsts of conducting some research work - christianity versus capatalism. Well i agree with the vast majority becuase democracy is the norm in this society. Would it not be feasible and financially conducive given the current global treat of recession to think about the coming statement. so, on average, christmas day, boxing day and new year's eve cost the economy £6 billion each (according to the telegraph). furthermore, the market economy 'laissez-faire' system we reside in promotes restriction on government intervention. Marx always said capatalism would destroy faith and dicipline (i agree with him on this). Being defensive of ones culture is understanble but it was people like Adam smith and David Ricardo who have sown the seed of social destruction. I say, let these days become workable so we can generate billions of pounds that can be pumped back in the system allowing our police officers to be awarded the pay increase they deserve, help fund the army to bring the equipemnt and soldiers requirements to an acceptable level. Think about this because the governemnt are not.

30 January 2008 at 22:54  
Anonymous Giles said...

A policy of making St George's Day a national holiday would secure my vote for whichever party proposed it. What better way to restore some national pride and sense of community amongst the British population, and remind the new arrivals what we are all about.

Mr Nadim, you are no doubt aware by now that your trumpet is too loud and out of tune with the orchestra of descendant Saxons, Celts, Picts, Normans, Vikings etc. who have been playing the tune for long enough to know themselves what it means to be British without needing to be told.

17 May 2008 at 00:33  

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