Monday, August 13, 2007

Protesting at ‘the Islamisation of Europe’

As upwards of 100,000 Mohammedans met yesterday in Jakarta to march in favour of the founding of a new caliphate – a single, unified Islamic state - it appears that one may not march in Brussels against such an idea. The march against the Islamisation of Europe was being organised to let the political leaders of the city of Brussels understand people’s genuine cultural concerns. But it is not to be.

One might expect Hizb ut-Tahrir – the Sunni ‘Liberation Party’ with an estimated million members - to be free to march in Indonesia for Islamic objectives, but equally so should Christians and other Europeans of all faiths and none be free to march in Belgium for their liberties ands their cultural values. Yet the Mayor of Brussels, Freddy Thielemans, has prohibited the march. Apparently, he ‘cannot guarantee the safety of the public’. Against whom, one asks?

The decision to ban a march by a peaceful and democratic group, consisting of people with no history of violent behaviour, is a totalitarian impulse. It has far more to do with not wanting to offend the sensibilities of Brussels’ large Mohammedan community than it has to do with tedious ‘health and safety’ concerns.

The irony is that Hizb ut-Tahrir is banned in some Asian and Arab countries, but is quite legal in the EU and the UK. Mohammedans who advocate its ideology can march and protest all over a free and democratic Europe to their hearts’ content - against Western values, Western democracy, Western traditions, Western culture, Western religion. But God forbid that a group of indigenous/white/Christian inhabitants should seek to protest against the subjection of their heritage and culture to an ascendant Islamism. If Brussels, the political heart and governmental nerve-centre of the European Union, is prepared to deny its citizens free speech and the freedom to demonstrate, then Christendom has indeed subjected itself to Eurabia, and Shari’a supplants Europe’s Christian heritage. Here is evidence, if any were needed, that Europol is unconcerned with protecting the innocent, Eurojust unconcerned with ‘social justice’, and the Europe is heading towards collecting the jizyah + VAT.

Mayor Thielemans leads Brussels’ ruling Parti Socialiste on the city council. At the start of 2006, 14 of its 26 representatives were Mohammedan immigrants (ten of Moroccan origin, two Turkish, one Tunisian and one from Guinea). And guess which religion dominates in the city’s council across all parties…

If Cranmer’s communicants or readers wish to tell Mayor Freddy Thielemans what they think of his ban, his email address is:

He looks forward to hearing your thoughts.


Blogger Surreptitious Evil said...

To be fair to the man, banning demos seems to be the default setting of the Brussels local interfering gits. The UKIP inflatable bulldozer didn't go down too well either.

Actually, given that the policeman claimed to be "acting on instructions from a higher authority", these may be directly linked in the religious context. Although exactly which religious tomb declares inflatable bulldozers unholy, haram or trefah, I am not entirely sure.

13 August 2007 at 10:48  
Blogger botogol said...

Your Grace, why do you use the somewhat old-fashioned nomenclature 'Mohommadens' when referring to those that are more usually called 'Muslims' ?

13 August 2007 at 10:52  
Blogger Surreptitious Evil said...

Clearly, I should have said "tome" or just "book", not "tomb" and, apparently "pasul" rather than "trefah" - the latter only applying to food. My apologies, your Grace.

13 August 2007 at 11:29  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Botogol,

Follow the very simply pattern, and fill in the blanks:

Christians seek to follow Christ, so they are known as Christians;
Buddhists seek to follow Buddha, so they are known as Buddhists;
Muslims seek to follow.........; so they may be termed..........

The term may sound antiquated, but His Grace assures you that 'Christian' is far older, originated as a term of abuse, and no-one is advocating it be dropped for either reason.

13 August 2007 at 12:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The threat of terrorism against Christians must be dire for such measures to be necessary.

Warnings should be posted throughout the Internet of the dangers to Christians visiting Belgium.

Perhaps the fate of Van Gogh is what they have in mind, or car bombings and the kind of violence seen elsewhere.

It certainly makes Belgium a dangerous place for Christians to visit....we should pass on the warnings to people across the Internet

13 August 2007 at 12:25  
Blogger botogol said...

..and the Sikhs? Jews? Jains? Hindus?


Anyway, isn't it courteous to to use that name which the group uses to refer to itself?

13 August 2007 at 12:51  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Botogol,

Sikh simply means disciple. Making in an '-ism' was a distinctly Enlightenment concept. Do you really believe that Hindus in their native Indus Valley refer to themselves as Hindu? No, the term once again is of Western origin: a convenient label by which the non-Mohammedans of the region were made distinct during the age of Empire. By your logic, one should argue that it is most impolite to refer to these people using alien Western nomenclature.

13 August 2007 at 13:27  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Anyway, isn't it courteous to to use that name which the group uses to refer to itself?

Don't be daft. Mohamedanism is a very normal term - you'll complain next about spelling Moslem differently from Muslim.

You'll complain next about Musulman

Hughes' Dictionary of Islam, published 1886, states:

MUHAMMADAN. Arabic Muhammadi. A name seldom used in Muhammadan works for the followers of Muhammad, who call themselves either Mu'mins, Muslims, or Musalmans. It is, however, sometimes used in Indian papers and other popular publications, and it is not, as many European scholars suppose, an offensive term to Muslims.

the term, Muhammadanism, does not imply that Muslims worship Muhammad. To insist this must be the meaning indicates a poor understanding of the English language. An -ism refers to a doctrine, conduct, or system of thought; it does not imply divine worship. Muhammadanism simply refers to the doctrine, conduct, and system of thought that were taught by Muhammad.

For example, terrorism does not mean the worship of terror. Darwinism is not the worship of Charles Darwin; it refers to his theory of biological evolution. Likewise, Hinduism is not the worship of Hindu, instead it refers to a complex set of beliefs that center around reincarnation, castes, customs, Vedic scriptures, and a multiplicity of gods. Lastly, Judaism isn't the worship of Judah (Yehuda) who was the fourth son of Jacob and Leah. So there is no reason to insist that Muhammadanism signifies that Muslims worship Muhammad.

She [Leah] conceived again, and when she gave birth to a son she said, "This time I will praise the LORD." So she named him Judah. Then she stopped having children. Genesis 29:35 (NIV)

وحبلت ايضا وولدت ابنا وقالت هذه المرة احمد الرب . لذلك دعت اسمه يهوذا . ثم توقفت عن الولادة . تكوين ٢٩‏:٣٥

English speaking Muslims know what -ism signifies, but some disingenuously insist that Muhammadanism still implies the worship of Muhammad. Yet, these same Muslims add the suffix -ism to words knowing that the resulting word does not imply worship. For example, they use the term, Marxism, to describe the system of thought that Karl Marx developed in Das Kapital. When they use the term, Marxism, they know that Marxists don't go to sacred building to worship and pray to Karl Marx, and they would never suggest that Marxists revere Karl Marx as a divine object of worship. Now, if Muslims understand words like Marxism, Judaism, Hinduism, and Darwinism, why is it so difficult for them to understand the word, Muhammadanism?

Islam is a term that carries many uncritical assumptions and biases that may not be freely investigated by Muslims. On the other hand, as a term, Muhammadanism does not ground itself upon these presuppositions. Instead it critically assesses the truth claims of Muhammad in an objective manner that values academic and intellectual freedom. Most Muslims find this approach distasteful and personally dangerous, so they reject this approach to the study of Muhammad.

On the other hand the term, Muhammadanism, has been used by scholars past and present who value intellectual freedom and the pursuit of truth. Because of this, the term, Muhammadanism, is an enlightened and eminently appropriate term to use for the intellectual study of Muhammad's teachings without assuming the uncritical presuppositions of Muslim believers. This is why scholars often use the term, Muhammadanism, to describe the topic of their investigation.

There is no reason why a Muslim who values intellectual freedom should be offended by the term. Quite the contrary, they should encourage an unfettered study of the teaching and life of Muhammad and follow the path of truth wherever it leads them.

13 August 2007 at 14:18  
Anonymous Sir HM said...

Your Grace

I visit your page daily.

I have noticed over the past few weeks that you have become angry. This is a good thing. Anger motivates.

Your anger is not like mine. Mine is hot and leads me to sometimes become intemperate. Yours seems a cold anger which, truth to tell, is probably far more useful.

We in the Western, Christian, world were warned, by a Mohammedan, some 17 years ago,exactly where we were heading. He issued his well-intended warning in the Netherlands. In their wisdom, the government of the Netherlands banned the book concerned and it disappeared from sight, having been seen by very few of us.

However, it is available on the internet, and also in an English translation. I have posted extracts from it on my own web page, with a link back to the entire book. You may be interested in taking a look and having a read; though I must warn that even my extracts constitute a substantial amount of reading.

I ended my post thus:

" To all those who read it all, this is written in the Netherlands about the Netherlands. Here in 2007 it reads to me very much like what’s happening in my own country. Does it also read like yours?

" We were given an honest warning by someone who knows what he’s talking about. Our leaders ensured, by banning that warning, that we would never see it. We must ask questions about the loyalties of our leaders. We must also ask: what are we going to do not only about Islam and Muslims, but also … our leaders. "

I suspect that you, Your Grace, have those same questions.

13 August 2007 at 14:20  
Blogger Little Black Sambo said...

Also, people who follow Mahomet are Mahometans.

13 August 2007 at 14:56  
Anonymous Voyager said...


13 August 2007 at 15:24  
Anonymous Voyager said...


13 August 2007 at 15:36  
Anonymous Voyager said...




The grand demonstration against the sneaking islamisation of Europe on 11
> september 2007, initiated by the non-profit association Pax Europa, will
> take place simultaneously also in Australia, Canada and the United States.


Christians going to Brussels

It has been made clear that many thousands of Christians intend to go to Brussels on 11th September to tour the cathedral and churches of the city.

They will be singing the human rights song “We shall overcome” as they walk through the streets and religious buildings.

Tourists going to Brussels

Many thousands of tourists are going to Brussels on 11th September and visiting many sites such as the famous Grote Markt or Grand Place before moving on to other sites of interest, including Brussels boroughs where Muslims live. Curiously, we have been told that these tourists will also be singing “We shall overcome”.

The silent majority

Many thousands of people are SO angry at Mayor Freddy Freedomkiller’s decision to ban the STOP ISLAMISATION DEMO that they plan to spontaneously walk the streets of Brussels in small groups on 11th September with blank white banners and placards. SIOE is informed that these are symbols used in Belgium to protest against the removal of free speech.

Again, (it must be collective subconscious) these protestors will be singing “We shall overcome”.

13 August 2007 at 15:44  
Blogger botogol said...

Your Grace (and Voyager) are weaselling.

Google News
- "mohammedan" 70 results
- "muslim" 32,890 results

Google Blogsearch
- - "mohammedan" 515 results
- "muslim" 3,701,485

Google Web
- "mohammedan" 448,000 results
- "muslim" 13,900,000 results

You are using the term to make a point, or express an attitude. I'm notr quite sure what point is (that's why I asked) but it's certainly not "a very normal term"

It's a loaded term.

13 August 2007 at 16:47  
Anonymous Sir HM said...



13 August 2007 at 16:54  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Your Grace (and Voyager) are weaselling.

Bogotol is whining.

Read this Bogotol and cure thyself


and stop playing with Google - it is not The Oracle at Delphi

13 August 2007 at 17:25  
Anonymous Sir HM said...


This is Britain. In Britain when you show sensitivity to something, as you have, then the British sense of humour kicks in ...

For goodness sake don't ever join the British Forces.

13 August 2007 at 17:52  
Blogger Peter Kirk said...

Do you really believe that Hindus in their native Indus Valley refer to themselves as Hindu?

They certainly don't any more, having been forced to the Indus Valley as a result of the disastrous partitioning of 60 years ago which some are currently celebrating, which was the first stage of the Islamisation of what might have been Her Majesty's dominions.

13 August 2007 at 23:35  
Blogger Peter Kirk said...

Correction to my last comment: Hindus were of course forced out of the Indus valley, or forced to abandon it, in 1947.

14 August 2007 at 11:00  
Anonymous USpace said...

GO Europe! Keep on fighting! This cowardly dhimmi Mayor is a despicable and porcine traitor.

Might 200,000 March in Brussels 9/11/07 Against Islamification BECAUSE Mayor Has Forbid It?

Everybody please sign the petition!

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
screw your great great grandchildren

give the gift of dhimmitude
why preserve your culture

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
put an END to free speech

to discuss immigrant crime
shall be against the law

15 August 2007 at 05:03  
Anonymous Dr Mabuse said...

Do not forget the Parti Socialiste in Belgium is a criminal organisation which has a track record on corruption, contract killings, and scams which required one NATO Secretary-General to step down.

Belgian politics is a snake-pit and somewhere in there are the accomplices of Mark Dutroux. Belgium is the Sicily of Northern Europe

15 August 2007 at 07:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a nut shell Islam is about world dommination! this is a short and brief view of how the muslims intend to attain their agenda and what is their motivation.The muslims ummah propgates expnasion of islam by all means ,First and fore most by the sword ,it is the duty of all the muslims to kill the non muslims it written. the koran state that there is no other god other than Allah and Mohammed is only true porphet,any one who beg's to differ is a infidel and kafir so should be beheaded at once.It is said not to be friend them (the non muslims)! strike them when you get the chance..Any peace treaty with the muslims is invalid, as the koran say make peace treaty with the infedals, in the dead of the night go out kill them all . Eevery muslim no matter how he or she is educated in western value 's DO NOT FOLLOW MULTICULTURE ethics it is evident in the way they dress, they live.It is a mere obligation that muslims pretend that they follows the law of the land(this is allowed in islam-Taqiyya-to be decitfull to confuse the nonbeliver) when they are minority.If they become tha majority the rules of engagment diffrent,Remember(jessiya the slave tax which give's the non beliver right to live in muslim dominated country,persecution are many in islam yet it called the universal brother hood ) & who ever disagrees has to be beheaded.Polygamy is rampant in islam have any one every wondred why? the point is women in islam are sub-human without any rigths on their own ,they are only useful to reproduce their own, It is because polygamy leads to a lot of children .They breed like rabbits,And without a single short being fired one fine day in the near future (may be in another 50-75 years) the muslims will over run Europe by sheer numbers,this also a method of jihad, Might sound LIke conspiracy theory,?Here comes answer as the muslims immigrant from pakistan,libya,morroco and the north afircan belt,middle east & sub continent come to Europe with their peace full brotherhood they slowly change demograph of europe, as of now.,(More than 53 million Muslims live in Europe -- 14 million of them in the European Union and growing.) in Europe. A Europe which dose not belive in any thing now(GOD, FAMILY VALUES,IDEOLOGY or,IDENTY). ,because of their hypocriscy, of being politically correct or because,widely held libral secular views or simply the lack of will to act,The european's way of life as we know it now will cease to exist. thank to our Muslim appeasing politicians who are olny intrested in there votes because of their growing numbers,so they could hold on to power,These hypocrites look the other way when EUROPEAN WOMEN ARE GANGE RAPED,AND HUMILIATED , by these peace loving Muslims, their aim is ISLAMIFICATION OF EUROPE. This is what happened in Egypt almost 1300 yrs ago,afer conquering the arabian peninsular by war ,the Muslims went on to conqure mighty egypt which was then a super power,which was a very advanced cosmopolitan culture,Rich in science,astonomy,mathematicsand medical science(remember the LIBARY OF ALEXANDRIA a center of higher knowledge) like that of present day Europe, the culture which we admire so much and fascinated,is now confined to the pages of histoy thanks to peace full islam and his prophet.The muslims from the arab heart land populated Egypt ,the native's of this once ancient land became a minorty in their own land, Enslaved & Persecuted and heavily taxed and they vanished without a trace in less than 100 years .And yes the koran advocates this to be a form of jihad.......................ethnic cleansing i would say!...would you still claim islam to a religion of peace!.i see europe going the same way ...........not far behind is America .it not to late................sit up and smell the coffee!.let us still not say that Islam is time the World ( the people, politicians& media) strat acting today tomorrow migth be too late for who ever who is not a muslim


30 August 2007 at 19:47  

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