Friday, January 11, 2008

666 - disestablishment of the Church of England

In a delightful ‘coincidence’ which will please theological numerologists, the House of Commons’ order paper listing motions for debate has allocated 666 to a motion calling for the disestablishment of the Church of England.

Bob Russell, Liberal Democrat MP for Colchester, one of the signatories, said: "It is is incredible that a motion like this should have, by chance, acquired this significant number. This number is supposed to be the mark of the Devil. It looks as though God or the Devil have been moving in mysterious ways. What is even stranger is that this motion was tabled last night when MPs were debating blasphemy."

Well, Mr Russell, it may not be coincidence, for if the Lord knows every hair upon your head and every sparrow that falls, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that he knows numbers within a House of Commons document. And the motion to disestablish the Church of England may very well be the work of an anti-Christ. Looking at some Members in the House, the possibility is rather high.

So, at last, another piece of the jigsaw helps us to solve the millennia-old mystery. The Beast was neither Nero, nor Hitler; neither the Pope, nor Tony Blair. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred, three score and six. It is now clear that the AntiChrist is not an antidisestablishmentarianist, and that will massively facilitate the process of identification.

House of Commons motions tabled by backbenchers very rarely get debated. They are normally tabled simply to gain publicity for a cause. But momentum for looser ties between Church and State is growing, as the support for the repeal of the blasphemy law illustrates. While the blasphemy law presently favours Christianity and the Church of England in particular, a High Court judgement in December linked the identification of blasphemy with the likelihood of causing civil strife. Since no attack upon Christianity is now considered likely to shake the fabric of society to such an extent, the laws of blasphemy are effectively obsolete.

Or are they?

If one of the criteria now adopted in the definition of blasphemy is the extent to which adherents are likely to protest violently, has the UK now adopted a default definition which favours Islam?

It is worth noting that the purpose of the historic law of blasphemy is often misunderstood. It is not to protect God; it is to protect us from divine displeasure.

It may, of course, be too late.


Anonymous Jim said...

Since God expresses his displeasure through the instrumentality of men, it is possible that the attacks (such as 7/7 etc.) by Islamists are just such an instrument of God's chastening upon our nation.

Israel was not carried off into exile without and before many warnings and attacks by foreign nations. There were many 'thorns' in their side before the final catastrophe of the exile.

Your grace is quite right to say that the blasphemy law is there to protect us all from the wrath of God against a nation who would lightly treat his name and favours.

But such a view of the nature of things is considered 'old-fashioned' I'm afraid. True, but 'old-fashioned'.

11 January 2008 at 13:17  
Blogger AethelBald, King of Wessex said...

Jim, who is perhaps the late Jim Jones of Jonestown, may I welcome you to this revenant-friendly community.

...such a view of the nature of things is considered 'old-fashioned'...

Or just plain wrong. From an instrumental point of view, the law of blasphemy may be about preventing civil unrest. But we have other initiatives, including laws, that are supposed to prevent civil unrest now. It is therefore possible to take the view that the blasphemy law no longer has a distinctive positive value. Indeed, it could be argued that the blasphemy law is counter productive, and that the law itself has become a potential flashpoint.

11 January 2008 at 14:27  
Anonymous hear o israel said...

the lord does indeed move in mysterious ways .

our church has served us well over the centuries , millenia even .

how on earth did it find its self in the position of being voted as irrelevent.

john wesley gave us the method , but he never considered himself seperate from the church of england.

666 is to be the instrument by which the people of our land forget the hand that has shaped our society .

how nice that the devil should use a piece of paper to empower his blind fathfull , such a trifling thing !!

11 January 2008 at 15:14  
Anonymous Cinnamon said...

The law for blasphemy is actually blasphemy itself, just like the belief in any Religion of any kind is a crude insult to the Deity that is worshipped.

What the blasphemy law does, it by law enshrines the belief that God exists -- forcing the subjects of Her Majesty to blaspheme either way -- legally, or actually.

I think the 666 motion was very careful timing by someone who likes their symbolicism ;)

11 January 2008 at 15:25  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Separating the CoE from the state will be a very good thing for the CoE. It will force those who truly believe in Christianity to stand up and be counted. For far too long, it has been too easy to be a member of the CoE and believe little or nothing; it is time for that to come to an end. It is time for real belief to be the meaning of membership in the CoE, and that will only happen when it is disestablished. Let it happen for the health of the souls of the faithful.

11 January 2008 at 15:50  
Blogger Unsworth said...

Your Grace

But why would you regard the Motion's number as being a 'coincidence'?

I would not be so sure.....

And the next portent may be the date and time of the start of this debate.....

11 January 2008 at 16:33  
Anonymous gryphius said...

Don't read too much into these things. There is some debate whether '666' is the number that the Book of Revelation spells out.

I still maintain, the only way to save the Church of England is to cut it loose from the State. Look at what's happening to state religions in every other European country: they're dying. Now walk down the street to a pentecostal or evangelica assembly and what do you behold? They're packed to the rafters with parishioners.

It's time to save the Church by cutting off the funding/mandates from the State.

11 January 2008 at 17:10  
Anonymous nedsherry said...

No Dr Lancaster on this thread. Does the steady de-Christianization of Britain not worry her? What makes the Church of England attractive compared to Cathlicism and Islam -- its tolerance and lack of dogmatism -- has been the seeds of its destruction, unfortunately. Aggressive, self-centred groups do much better in this fallen world than mild, conciliatory ones. And today the C of E has gone beyond mildness and embraced the death-cult of liberalism.

11 January 2008 at 17:29  
Anonymous hear o israel said...

if our nation has had both its least and greatest times under christianity , doesnt it tell you somthing??? .
that indeed it is a faith of the highest value.
those voices who seek disestablishment of the church , seek to test it , yet they do not seek to test liberalism .

meek and mild it may have become following some of christs taught values,But do not forget that when christ was teaching the values , the law of moses was the base he builded upon.

trying to build christaianity onto a base of liberalism , is no construction of saftey to its people.
christ refuge was not in being able to make any old choice , but to make the one that sees his life as the crown to the law .

those who falsey profess it will grow back stronger when detached from state , will they be the ones that take the creed every sunday to support it , i doubt they will want such austerity as having to profess the faith !!

11 January 2008 at 20:00  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

Again and again and again I have condemned Pentecostalism and no one has noticed, Pentecostalism is the work of the devil.

Friar Seraphim Rose has warned us

11 January 2008 at 20:26  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Nobody would say that it will be easy for the CoE if it is disestablished, and that is exactly what will be good for it. The CoE has long been too comfortable, too secure, had life too easy. It needs to be tested and to see if it understands and believes the true words of Jesus Christ. If not, there is no need for it at all. If it does, then it will do well and will be a much better witness when not bound to the secular government.

11 January 2008 at 20:58  
Anonymous hear o israel said...

why do we want a secular goverment?

11 January 2008 at 23:25  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Government is inherently either secular or theocratic. You don't have a very good chance of selling a theocracy right now in the UK, unless you just speed up the process a bit and go for full Izlam/Sharia now.

12 January 2008 at 00:01  
Anonymous Nathan Hale said...

Re: "why do we want a secular goverment?"

I'm afraid that dr. d has given us a false choice of complete secularism or complete theocracy. It is possible to have neither. It is possible to have a vaguely theistic government that gives due recognition to the Judaic legal tradition but does not compel any believe or religion stance. This, I believe, is what the United States was originally. And it was a fine thing.

But, that's very different from a State-supported Church, which I do not have sufficient energy to denounce as fully as it should be denounced.

12 January 2008 at 03:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Homophobic Horse - I looked at your link.
There seems to be no clear way to know what is right. A version of Christianity sounds reasonable enough to me, and then someone else comes along and says it is a trick of the devil, and those who fall for it will be burned for eternity.

How is one to know what is right?

12 January 2008 at 21:05  
Blogger Chris said...

Interesting thought on the blasphemy law now favoring Islam. I certainly hope not.

14 January 2008 at 05:41  
Anonymous British Patriot said...

The Blashpemy laws already work against Christianity and the British in that Christians / Europeans do not take offence as easily.
It has not gone unnoticed by Muslims that by being offended, they can invoke changes in their favour.
Much as the race card is played against us again and again.
Much as the Zionist elite use the Holocaust to their advantage.

The Psychology of Shame and Guilt is repeatedly used against us.
Look at Slavery, we were one of the First to abolish it, Slavery was used by Muslims for centuries, in fact European shores were regularly invaded for the capture of slaves.
Slavery still goes on in the Mid East Africa on a Massive and Unreported scale yet we are the Only ones that are repeatedly beat over the head with it, often by Our Own Manipulative Elite, Look at Livingstones tears to get the Ethnic Vote.
Look at the Barbary slave trade.
The church must help society grow a Back bone and stand up to this Psychological abuse repeateedly inflicted upon the British and Western European Psyche.

1 February 2008 at 10:30  
Anonymous British Patriot said...

Emotive and Psychological Manipulation is rife, it is often the weapon of choice for those seeking advantage.
How can we Object to Mass Immigration the eradication and destruction of our own way of life and even contemplate sending someone back to a war ravagedd country.
You see the Psychological Bind we are put in.
There are a number of Groups all vying for power against the British and Western European Peoples, Psychology / emotive manipulation is the weapon of choice.
The church could do a lot worse than looking into defending itself and our Society by Looking into Linguistics.
How language can be used more effectively, this is what Our Politicians are using against us, they and their Media say One thing whilst doing the very opposite.
Look at the Flying of Flags outside Govt Buildings, all to make us feel safe, We can all go back to sleep,we are not being sold out to Europe.

The church should look at Language, Linguistics to help defend itself, and Our Society.

1 February 2008 at 10:43  
Blogger Nevi said...

First of all, believers are not required to delve into revelation, for the keys to the seals,are given only to the holders.
But, so that you learn a little..The beast that rises out of the sea, and out of the land..are one and the same- OIL: If you calculate the number:O = 15 ..I = 9..L = 12... The sum of these is 36 ..of which the 2 composites are 18 and 18 ,and herein, is hidden the 666..and 666 which let you know that the two references,are to one.
In this, you will also understand that OIL , is indeed ‘the weapon of mass destruction’ because you now see clearly the damage it causes across the nations,and leads nations to war…compared to what people tout as ‘nuclear’ the damage is much more widespread…this is not to say that nuclear power is not dangerous, or threatens the globe or that no other perceived weapons of mass destruction exist on the earth. The point to understand here is, do not confine yourself to physical, or very literal understandings.

In knowing this small detail, you will become more aware of what not being able to buy or sell without the mark is.

Well, perhaps I should explain that a bit more, seeing that many are so confined to literal.
'The right hand' not physically the 'right hand'..Listen carefully.
When you say..He's my right hand means 'of importance' So, to the traders ..the 'right hand' is actually the computer they work on. In everyday life today, in modern society, is not your every action guided by computer or mobile information?? So, that is your 'right hand' .

So....when it is said that all receive the mark, it really just means that NO TRADE DEAL is , or can be effected without KNOWING the OIL PRICE. Every trade commodity on this planet hinges on the daily price of oil. In knowing this , you now easily understand the mark on the forehead..this is very much simpler..Again, you have no need to hunt for a physical mark. The morons of the world, and satan's dumbest pawns, tattoo themselves etc, and cut marks of 666 into their scalps etc..and the movies and media show you all kind of fantastic illusions ( again I say..remember who the prince of the power of the air and airwaves is) The truth however, is that this serves its purpose to really redirect people's minds and take you on mindtrips of implants etc..Satan is really witty, and does have a laugh at how simple it is , to deceive even the faithful, and scare you off track. This is how every person on the planet is affected..whether believer or the free world, or those under dictatorships (this is meant by 'slave'..and incidentally, the very ones that cry 'slavery' are indeed slaves, but to their own minds and they will die and be erased from the earth in that belief.) To all those I shall say..Free yourself from the crutch of blaming others for the downfall of yourselves, and take responsibility and learn to make correct judgements..or perish. For the witty : 'Slave' applies to anyone with the chip. ''What chip ?'' you'll say. Any man can be free, and still be a slave.

All sin, and do not think that even the appointed of God do not fall in ways - what is important is corrective action, guided by the power of the Spirit. The dramatics begin, when those appointees defy correction and begin to propogate their wrongs, among the others of God, to lead them astray : Here, marks the beginning of judgement on those.

To have the mark on the forehead, is now very much simpler for you to understand. No trader really goes to bed, or rises really without wondering what the oil price will be, and that is the foremost thought on the mind of ANY international or local commodity trader. Even if you are not in direct trade, that singular factor really affects whether you post a parcel, or what price you will get if you planted carrots, or what price you will pay if you buy onions.

So , don't go scaring yourself by thinking you'll get injected, or secretly chipped etc..I have to admit, people can be really silly, and really lay themselves open to delusion quite easily. When you do that..then you are swept away quite easily, over the edge of a cliff, along with many. To have the mark, can easily apply to followers of the Lord too , because really in this world, you are guided by many things that are beyond your control. To have the mark of the Lamb on your forehead, means really acknowledging Yeshuah , Son of Yahweh foremost, in mind, heart and spirit. The physical mark of the Lord, emblazoned on the sons of lightning is 'Y' and with this comes the sign of the Holy Spirit which is really recognisable to many..Yet, even then, the world accepts others. This is the nature of man, and the reason why Jesus Christ was torn to pieces, by his own. Can you believe that?? The Lord in humility asked for their forgiveness...saying 'they know not what they do'

What do you think the judgement of God is, for those that have been told, and live in an age of information, and really KNOW what they do ?? Your fate is sealed by ignorance in a time when there is no excuse. Do not think that many will be producing their gate pass at St Peter , or the will be a mass migration into heaven with what you have been told is a 'rapture'..because you will be surprised to know that the church of God, will actually experience a RUPTURE, and this means that many will actually be shed from the kingdom, instead of having their lofty ideals of being spirited away selectively by the Lord. If I tell you the Sword is among you, believe that well. Who are the 7 Swords of the Lord ? You will not know, because six remain invisible to you all, and one is cut off for a time, and 7 times that...but when the 7 are together again, you know that the Hour of the Lord, is close.

The fullness is sealed up until the end..but under the authority of the Lord, some knowledge will be given to the people of the Lord, but to the true believer, no knowledge more than knowing the Lord, is necessary. Some witty dude said ' if they were knowers, then there would be no reason to call them believers'..something to that effect, but the essence of my meaning is this: that is the height of the wit of this world, and those that seek to pierce the Lord..all such wit will perish with you.

Beware of the many that will deceive you in 'tongues'and rattling away in Hebrew terminology etc, rendering no explanation. If you cannot understand what is said to you in English, how will you understand what is said in another language? Those that have mastered the art of religious sounding gibber - to you I shall say this..Special punishments have been prepared for you from the moment you first thought to acquire the psychological skills to weaken many. Again, this is not to say that the Holy Spirit is inactive in the who receive this warning will know exactly who you are.

Knowing more than that, is unimportant,and really not allowed to the general believer, whos command it is, to worship the Lord, in simplicity and humble spirit.

Woe to those that fiddled with the scriptural content in some backroom, on a computer, to declare war and the same to all that pervert religion, to spread terror - The Lord is watching. Further woes to those in positions of power that are advised by meddlers in the divine code - All they have done is unlock the fury of the Almighty, because even now, if the Lord were not there to intercede for fools , a portion of the earth would now already be dead, in fact a day has passed where the world leaders could have been swallowed up by the earth, never to be seen again if the Almighty were in a slightly more irate mood , because the foolishness of world leaders is now rising up to the heavens. There are cures for many things, but incessant stupidity has no cure, and is an irritation to the Father. All world leaders , that are charged with leading, but do otherwise seal their own fates, and many will escape here…but have no concept that they will be destroyed fully, because they refuse to stand in awe of the Lord,and do right!

In understanding this, you will also understand that the mark is not something tangible, or applied only to, do not try to involve yourselves in literal meanings to the high cryptics of Revelation, for it occurs on too many levels for man to understand.
People that think they can ‘crack ‘the bible codings, have already doomed themselves to fates they dictated by their own, be aware in your readings of Scriptures. It is given , so that you have a general synopsis of God’s Plan , but is not there for any to delve into, or to try to meddle with.

There is no command necessary, other than for you to believe in Jesus Christ, only begotten Son of the Almighty. Revelation unfolds in the lives of billions, without any really knowing..
Bible scholars,and theologians are lead, to give the best translation into languages understandable to mankind, but none should suppose to assign ‘meaning’ , for those things are given, only at their assigned times, by the Lord.
Even the seals,and holders of the keys, are only allowed access at their pre set designation in time, and not as man defines time, for man has no concept of time, as designated by the Almighty.
You have no need to worry about chips being inserted in your heads or all such physicalities. Those that propogate such explanations to things they do not know, also fall in danger of unnecessary judgements.
The command is simple..Live your life under the authority of the Lord,and obey the basic commands in simplicity, and you have the Mark of the Lamb not only on your forehead, but written in your heart. Keep yourself from senseless debates on the unknown, and prevent the loss of your tongues.

All that you see in the world, isn’t , and neither is all that you don’t see. Because you do not see the fiery anointing of the Lord across the earth, does not mean it is nonexistent.
As you see the morons,and even believers of the world deceived by ‘aliens’ and ‘ufo’s , remember who has the power to deceive,and is the master and prince of the air,and airwaves. Years and years of preparation, have allowed the minds of those that wish for delusion, to be deluded…and in fact, God will allow that as it is written, because a huge part of the earth will be deceived because of their need to see what seems ’supernatural’…to the believer, all you need do, is remain focused on the simple command given,and this will pass over you.
You , on this earth, are made in the image of the Creator of the Universe and there is no intellect given into any physical creation, more than given to mankind..but for those that wish to imagine their inferiority to other ‘beings’- then that is what they are. Yes, even the supposedly intelligent,and learned will fall prey to deception.

Have peace in your day, and remember the simple command you are given.
The iron laws of the Almighty, are not open to ‘modernistic interpretations’ to suit dysfunctional situations. The sword, goes out to all that shall meet, discuss, twist and adjust the commands of the Lord, to suit their own purposes on the earth. These have all bowed to the deceiver, and will follow in his footsteps,and share the judgements. Yes, the Sword of the Lord, is now at the church, and all that seek to redefine its purpose. The command, is given to all, that shall have questionable behaviour , as opposed to the law. The command, is not there to be questioned, or moulded to ‘modern living’. It is stated, and given by the ‘I AM’ for all. Defiance, is treated with warning first, as warning precedes judgement. So, as no correction has come from warning, the judgement of the Lord, falls upon the church and will be in full effect, soon. A Letter was sent to that Anglican Church of Australia, containing commands,and warnings and to be sent to all denominations of the globe. Perhaps they feel they are more subject to human authorities,and choose to delete the message - The judgement is nevertheless in effect against ALL , in the church that conspire to assign their contrived meanings, to the stated law, of the Almighty.
This letter was sent on 14/7/2008.

It would be safer for all those leaders,and bishops to extract themselves from their acquired status, and join the queues of the sinful, who have humility before the Lord,and ask for forgiveness, than to stand in the pulpits and purport to do the Will of God,and thereby evoke the fury of the Lord. In this time, a judgement has already been laid down for all these, which will be effected throughout all the world, for all to see in time.
Again, have peace in your day if you find correction..but worry, if you are told,and do not turn from your path.

Be careful, if you propose to render your own futile judgement against the Lord, and do not confuse what people do 'In the Name of God' with the Lord Himself. You presume to find yourself some kind of a 'wit', if the letters pertaining to doctorates and phd's etc precede or follow your given name , but its wiser to think of yourself as stripped bare, in the eyes of God , because your titles,and honors mean nothing at that level.
Do not think that because you propose to judge God, by the actions of a few, that your supposedly 'leftist'ideals absolve you from the laws of God.
If you have a problem with men, that pervert the laws of divinity, then its fine to attack those , but be careful when you begin to call the Lord, a 'myth' and some kind of nonexistence because of your own lack of spiritual integrity that you might find comfortable to expound as what you deem a 'free thinker' because like many,all that oppose the Lord, in thought and deed , will be routed , never to rise again from the dust that they all become.
You may be wiser to make decisions in things that are tangible to you,and things that you can see, rather than expounding your opinion, on things that you cannot see, or have zero inclination to understand.

Perhaps the most mystical thing, is that atheists and free thinkers that oppose the existence of the Almighty, expound on opinions from the height of social standing,and general comforts, but even these, in situations of life threatening self adversities, find themselves looking for the same God they defy.

All your human wit,and perceived intelligence, is piddly in the eyes of the Almighty God, that knows the content of every molecule known,and unknown to mankind,and even the dust that rises up to acknowledge God, is in higher esteem than all that seek to defy the existence of the supreme Almighty.

21 July 2008 at 16:18  

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