Sunday, January 06, 2008

Bishop warns of 'no-go' areas for non-Muslims

With every statement of the Bishop of Rochester, Michael Nazir-Ali, Cranmer is more and more convinced of the need to appoint this man to the See of Canterbury. He talks intelligibly, he talks sense, and what he says is from the undeniable perspective of first-hand experience. His is not merely an ‘academic’ theology (one immersed, for example, in metaphysical distinctions about how Christ is constituted), but one in which doctrine has a genuine existential dimension.

His latest warning is that ‘Islamic extremists have created "no-go" areas across Britain where it is too dangerous for non-Muslims to enter’. Having lived for many years in Pakistan, he is fully aware of the religio-political strategy of marking out territory and then proclaiming it to belong to the Dar al-Islam, and that ‘people of a different race or faith face physical attack if they live or work in communities dominated by a strict Muslim ideology’.

He goes to the very heart of the matter when he observes that the enforced ‘submission’ to this ideology - including that which is perceived through legal and political omission, or the perpetual propagation of a multi-faith, multicultural society - is making it ‘increasingly difficult for Christianity to be the nation's public religion’. And his concerns are shared by the General Synod, which has recently voted on a number of issues and concluded that Britain is being damaged by large-scale immigration. The overwhelming majority - 80 per cent – thought that the Government had not upheld the place of religion in public life, and 63 per cent fear that the Church will be disestablished within a generation.

Doubtless referring to the demands for the Adhan to reverberate over Oxford, and in the knowledge of the development of Shari'a courts in parts of the UK, the Bishop warns that ‘attempts are being made to give Britain an increasingly Islamic character by introducing the call to prayer and wider use of sharia law, a legal system based on the Koran’. And echoing the Old Testament prophets he decries the Government's response to immigration and the influx of ‘people of other faiths to these shores’.

Interestingly, the Shadow Home Secretary, the Rt Hon David Davis MP, has also accused Muslims of promoting a kind of ‘voluntary apartheid’ by segregating themselves in distinct communities and demanding immunity from criticism. He said: "Bishop Nazir-Ali has drawn attention to a deeply serious problem. The Government's confused and counter-productive approach risks creating a number of closed societies instead of one open, cohesive one. It generates the risk of encouraging radicalisation and creating home-grown terrorism." Unfortunately, he does not propose any policies to deal with the situation. Carping opposition without viable resolution does not constitute credible alternative governance.

Calls for the disestablishment of the Church of England have grown since research a few weeks ago showed that attendance at Mass has overtaken the number of worshippers at Church of England Sunday services. Unfortunately, the Bishop made no mention of the influx of Roman Catholics from Poland which has contributed to this state of affairs, mindful, perhaps, that as a convert from Rome, he risks accusations of bigotry.

But his father converted from Islam to Roman Catholicism, and this generational gap appears to give him greater freedom. And his comments have attracted the inevitable criticism from the the Muslim Council of Britain, whose spokesman called the Bishop ‘irresponsible’, suffering from ‘extreme ignorance’, and that ‘he should accept that Britain is a multicultural society in which we are free to follow our religion.’ He then asserts: ‘We wouldn't allow “no-go” areas to happen.’

It is in this final statement that the ‘extreme ignorance’ of the MCB is manifest, for ‘no-go’ areas have been developing for decades, and any kuffar who dare to walk in these areas do so at their peril. Even the police are providing these areas with ‘ethnically sensitive’ officers - ie Muslim police officers for Muslim areas - if only to avoid accusations of ‘racism’ should a Muslim need arresting, for God forbid that a white officer should now arrest an black or brown criminal.

But the wider reality is that the United Kingdom has always had religious ‘no-go’ areas. One only has to observe the experiences of Protestants who dare to walk in ‘Catholic areas’ of Belfast, or of a Roman Catholics who try to live in ‘Protestant areas’; or the antipathy expressed by Roman Catholic schoolchildren to their Protestant counterparts in parts of Scotland; or the abuse endured by Roman Catholic footballers who dare to play for ‘Protestant’ teams – the United Kingdom has been disunited along religious lines for decades, and these divisions endured for centuries before the Act of Settlement and the Act of Union attempted to end the strife.

If the lessons of history teach us anything, it is that human sympathy spreads outwards from individuals to families, then to extended families and friends, and onwards to form communities, regions and countries, as people discover common ties of kinship, language, culture and religion. God made the nations with diverse qualities, and these variations of national characteristics and cultures display a wonder of creation. The story of the Tower of Babel establishes that segregation occurs along these lines, and experience teaches that the nation state is the best way of preserving peace. All attempts to re-build a unified tower – be it in a multicultural, multi-faith Britain, or the diminution and subjugation of the nation state within European union - are doomed to failure.

30 Comments:

Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Clever post Your Grace. Those in power would do well to listen to those who have little to gain personally from saying what they say. Men like this Bishop are often ignored in favour of those who are louder and think only of themselves.

The 'no go' areas are everywhere for non-Muslims. That teacher upon returning from the Sudan said she was looking for an adventure, and she found one! She couldn't say anything more. Fear prevented her.

However, the question is, as you point out, what is the way forward?

6 January 2008 at 11:35  
Anonymous Bert Rustle said...

Cranmer wrote ... his concerns are shared by the General Synod, which has recently voted on a number of issues and concluded that Britain is being damaged by large-scale immigration. ... I recollect the Bishop of Rochester, Michael Nazir-Ali commenting a few years ago that Britain could take a lot more immigration. Reference?

Regarding “No Go” areas, the BNP have reported on this for years and have been roundly denounced for it. Why has the Bishop of Rochester, Michael Nazir-Ali not been denounced in the way that Nick Griffin has been for raising the same topic?

6 January 2008 at 12:08  
Anonymous mickey said...

Ms Snuffleupagus,

A good question. Sadly the prevailing orthodoxy seems to be that it is to be left to future generations to sort out - I don't suppose they will look back on us fondly for that. Some indication of what is to come can be seen in any one of dozens of countries where there exists a deep religious divide. What would it take for the Muslims to spawn something akin to the IRA or the indigenous people an UDA equivalent? We are not far from it, I would suggest.

6 January 2008 at 12:18  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Mickey
Haven't the Muslims already done that?

6 January 2008 at 13:23  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Ms Snuffy,

His Grace would counter that 'the Muslims' have done no such thing, any more than 'the Christians' spawned the IRA or the UDA.

6 January 2008 at 13:39  
Anonymous billy said...

I found it interesting, Your Grace, that the British religious 'no go' areas were in Scotland and Ireland.
Do such places exist in England and Wales?
I had thought that after Tony's sterling work Catholics and Protestants were now living cheek by jowl in N.I.

6 January 2008 at 14:20  
Blogger Paul said...

I am not sure that I understand the quote below, Your Grace. Could you help me out?

I enjoy your blog.

"human sympathy spreads outwards from individuals to families, then to extended families and friends, and onwards to form communities, regions and countries, as people discover common ties of kinship, language, culture and religion."

6 January 2008 at 14:20  
Blogger Paul said...

PS. Billy: in order to test your thought, you should visit a bar in Andersonstown and tell people your name. I don't recommend it.

6 January 2008 at 14:26  
Anonymous susan_england said...

amen cranmer amen and amen bishop of rochester shame you arnt nearer to me id join your church.

6 January 2008 at 14:31  
Anonymous mickey said...

Your Grace,

We have nothing to fear now that Hazel Blears has trumpeted her new cunning plan to use wimmin's groups to ilfiltrate the emerging terror cells (see today's Times).

Meanwhile, the same article confides that there are 10,000 - 15,000 British Muslims supporting Al-Qaeda et al (Home Office figures).

Time to dig out the Brodie tin hat and gas mask I think!

6 January 2008 at 15:13  
Anonymous nedsherry said...

There's another "no-go area" for non-Muslims: the truth about Muslim behaviour in Britain. If a white bishop had said what Nazir Ali has said, there would have been deafening shrieks of "Racism! Xenophobia! Bigotry!" But the same is true of all "ethnic issues": whites cannot speak the truth if it is negative. In other words, British whites are denied the right to comment on what is happening in their own nation and to defend their future interests. How has this happened? Muslims did not create the situation, though they have of course eagerly taken advantage of it.

But the wider reality is that the United Kingdom has always had religious ‘no-go’ areas. One only has to observe the experiences of Protestants who dare to walk in ‘Catholic areas’ of Belfast, or of a Roman Catholics who try to live in ‘Protestant areas’

Exactly. We had a clear and bitter example of how long and bitterly religion can divide members of the same race. And yet our leaders went ahead and permitted mass immigration to introduce a new religious divide between members of different races. It was effectively a declaration of war on the old Britain, but that's what happens when you allow politics to fall into the hands of an alien and Christophobic minority.

6 January 2008 at 16:04  
Blogger Unsworth said...

Your Grace

"Carping opposition without viable resolution does not constitute credible alternative governance."

Precisely.

But why does Your Grace think that the semblance of 'credible alternative governance' may lead to electoral success? As has so often been said, political parties do not 'win' elections, they 'lose' them.

The last change of Government in Britain arose from disenchantment with the incumbent administration. There's every likelihood that history will repeat itself - witness the current state of political affairs in America. Obama has offered no more and no less than 'change'. Quite what that might really mean is open to conjecture. It's my view that 'change' is what most of the electorate in the UK desire, too.

6 January 2008 at 16:17  
Anonymous John Poindexter said...

I'm telling Mr. Brown that all of you are saying bad things about status quo immigration and all of you are going to be in big trouble! Racists! Racists! Racists!

6 January 2008 at 16:18  
Anonymous Bert Rustle said...

Paul wrote ... the quote below, Your Grace. Could you help me out? ...
"human sympathy spreads outwards from individuals to families, then to extended families and friends, and onwards to form communities, regions and countries, as people discover common ties of kinship, language, culture and religion."


Though I do not presume to know his Grace’s intent, the quotation brings to mind Ethnic nationalism, evolutionary psychology and Genetic Similarity Theory By Professor J Philippe Rushton. Though an academic paper, it is accessible to an educated layman.

ABSTRACT. Genetic Similarity Theory ... anchoring ethnic nepotism in the evolutionary psychology of altruism. Altruism toward kin and similar others evolved in order to help replicate shared genes. Since ethnic groups are repositories of shared genes, xenophobia is the ‘dark side’ of human altruism. ... the pull of genetic similarity in dyads such as marriage partners and friendships, and even large groups, both national and international. The evidence that genes incline people to prefer others who are genetically similar to themselves comes from studies of social assortment, differential heritabilities, the comparison of identical and fraternal twins, blood tests, and family bereavements. DNA sequencing studies confirm some origin myths and disconfirm others; they also show that in comparison to the total genetic variance around the world, random co-ethnics are related to each other on the order of first cousins.

6 January 2008 at 17:13  
Anonymous Fran said...

"I'm telling Mr Brown of you ....Racists! Racists!"

You've been pipped to the post old bean! For the BBC is already leading the campaign against Bishop Nazir Ali, beginning with a comfy interview on the Sunday programme this morning with a rep. from the Muslim Council of Britain, in which the interviewer fed lines such as "would you say that the Bishop was being defensive?" and agreeing that it was 'regrettable' that Bishop Michael had been unavailable for comment on his Telegraph article.

Next, the one o clock news headline was criticism of Nazir Ali from William Hague (who accused the bishop of being factually incorrect on no-go areas - does he not know what's going on in his country?) and Nick Clegg who condemned the article as a blueprint for distrust between the commmunities.

The BBC, as ever, leads the liberal retreat into dhimmitude ..

6 January 2008 at 18:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right now I feel that I hate Muslims and I don't want them in this country. Is it possible to be a good Christian and feel this way? The BNP are starting to look appealing to me, even though I don't agree with any of their policies at all except for wanting no more of Islam in this country. I will vote Tory if they will do something about all this, but ISTR Cameron saying that marrying one's cousin from back home was an important part of Pakistani culture, so who knows what help he will be.

Did Hague not see Reid being told to stay out of Muslim areas? Clegg should try to understand it's hard to trust a community which produces murderous bombers. Have any of these people got any clue?

I am jealous of those who can leave this country - I wouldn't be accepted as an immigrant to the USA as I am chronically ill and cannot work.

6 January 2008 at 18:42  
Anonymous Bert Rustle said...

For a quick review of an American angle, see The Immigration Solution: Peter Brimelow’s Review

6 January 2008 at 19:24  
Anonymous DocBud said...

Islam needs ghettoisation to survive. It is a medieval religion that survives on authority and ignorance. Questioning the faith is forbidden. Were muslims to move out into the wider community, they would be confronted by people wanting answers to questions like: who was Mohammed? what were the key moments of his life? what was the nature of his claimed revelation from allah? It would be difficult for people to retain their faith faced with the reality of what a thoroughly unpleasant charlatan Mohammed was.

6 January 2008 at 22:59  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

This has happened quite simply because it has been planned to happen.

As others have intimated.

We know by our own recent history how many problems have been caused by large amounts of immigration causing religious, racial, social, and local economic problems.

So why have we done it again?

Which also begs the question. Was it the same reason why we did it last time?

I contend the answer is yes.

A divided nation is easier to rule to the detriment of all its citizens and the benefit of its ruling elites.

If you can also make large sections of the population, semi or completely bankrupt, frightened to go out on the streets, uneducated, sick, and terminally confused. Its even easier.

Which explains as easily as I can.

Why we live in potential or actual hell, when we could by now, be living in paradise.

THE BASTARDS TO IT ON PURPOSE.

7 January 2008 at 00:07  
Anonymous hear o israel said...

and so it rummbles on , all created by nu labours foolishness.

you would have thought that labour would have seen the problem of letting a minority challenge a religion that has been established in the uk fo 1500 yrs .

but no , let religions die marx is supreme.

they did it in the 60s , and it lead to legalisation as the working class didnt want it.

we arnt too racist by nature as nature but labour certainly turns the working class into them.

look at kenya , see what happens when one tribe thinks the other is getting more ??? and both tribes are black .

7 January 2008 at 21:51  
Anonymous The recusant said...

Hazel Blears has said she "does not recognise" a bishop's comments that Islamic extremists were making some areas "no go" for non-Muslims.

The Communities Secretary said the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali's comments were "pretty unhelpful" (Oh dear, what a shame, never mind) and he should spell out which areas he was talking about. So just to be a little more specific for this purse-lipped finger-wagging shrew who In March 2005 implied that section 44 of the terrorism act would disproportionally affect the Muslim community and in August 2005 (had she just arrived on the planet?), while standing in for Home Secretary Charles Clarke (who was on holiday), suggested the 'rebranding' of ethnic minorities in favour of adopting US-style hyphenated titles such as Asian-British-Canadian (I suppose ginger tosser would be considered offensive).

So her for the benefit of this mind numbingly tedious woman here are the areas spelled out:

A - C - C - R - I - N - G - T - O - N
B - L - A - C - K - B - U - R - N
B - R - A - D - F - O - R - D
B - U - R - N - L - E - Y
C - O - V - E - N - T - R - Y
D - E - W - S - B - U - R - Y
G - L - A - S - G - O - W -
K - E - I - G - H - L - E - Y
O - L - D - H - A - M
R - E - A - D - I - N - G
R - U - S - H - O - L - M - E
S - L - O - U - G - H
T - O - W - E - R - H - A - M - L - E - T - S
W - A - L - T - H - A - M - S - T - O – W

7 January 2008 at 22:05  
Anonymous irenelancaster said...

This blog might be of assistance and throw a bit of light on the subject:

http://irenelancaster.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/01/the-dignified-b.html

By the way, both Hazel Blears MP (my MP) and the Bishop of Hume, (Stephen Lowe), who have attacked the Bishop of Rochester, refused to see me when I asked for a meeting about various matters.
This must be a first for an MP. Everywhere else I lived, MPs were only too pleased to meet someone like me. As for the Bishop of Hume, in 2006 he had attacked the Jewish community, and particularly the Chief Rabbi of the UK, in public, but seemed then, as now, to realise that he is accountable for his actions.

Disgraceful!

8 January 2008 at 10:14  
Anonymous mary tudor said...

So Yosser Nazir-Ali is on the self-publicity bandwagon again...

Yawn.

8 January 2008 at 11:03  
Anonymous Fred said...

Recusant, you missed out a couple:

L-E-I-C-E-S-T-E-R
L-U-T-O-N

8 January 2008 at 12:17  
Anonymous truck stop tessa said...

irene lancaster said...

By the way, both Hazel Blears MP (my MP) and the Bishop of Hume, (Stephen Lowe), who have attacked the Bishop of Rochester, refused to see me when I asked for a meeting about various matters.
This must be a first for an MP. Everywhere else I lived, MPs were only too pleased to meet someone like me

rofl as the young people say

They were probably afraid of ying of boredom at one of Dr Lancaster's pro-Israel blethering dissembling sessions.

8 January 2008 at 19:11  
Anonymous truck stop tessa said...

dying of boredom

it's not a ying/yang thing

8 January 2008 at 19:12  
Anonymous irenelancaster said...

Nothing to do with Israel, I'm afraid. Try again.

If only Israel were boring, then we could all go away and forget about it.

No, she was just arrogant, like a lot of MPs, but quite obviously so in her case.

8 January 2008 at 21:14  
Anonymous truck stop tessa said...

irene lancaster said...

blah drone bluster (I summarise)

you have more in common with Blears than you seem to realise - you are both industrial grade defenders of the indefensible

8 January 2008 at 23:20  
Anonymous Bert Rustle said...

irenelancaster wrote ... No, she was just arrogant, like a lot of MPs, but quite obviously so in her case. ... . A demonstration of the contempt the Political Class has for the Electorate as Peter Oborne's The Triumph of the Political Class analyses and explains most clearly.

9 January 2008 at 08:09  
Anonymous What the Papists Say said...

Sorry, your grace but which Roman Catholic footballers are abused for playing for 'Protestant' football clubs?

You may have been referring to Maurice Johnston who was roundly jeered for appearing at Celtic park with his Celtic jersey saying how pleased he was to be back at his boyhood club and then playing for Rangers a week later. He received 30 silver coins for his treachery not for being a Catholic playing for Protestant club which had hitherto been an exclusively Protestant club.

10 January 2008 at 19:45  

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