Thursday, March 27, 2008

Catholic Muslim Forum objects to public baptism of Muslim converts

It is curious that a forum established with the fullest support of the Vatican should criticise His Holiness for daring to baptise Magdi Allam on Easter Day. They have denounced the act as ‘provocative and triumphalist’.


Cranmer thinks this is suitably timed for the moment King Abdullah descended upon the Vatican ‘to call for conferences between the religions to protect humanity from folly’, which is a bit rich, coming from an adherent of Wahhabi Sunni Islam,

The guardian of the holy sites of Mecca and Medina wants to stem ‘the disintegration of the family and the rise of atheism in the world’, and said: "If God wills it, we will then meet with our brothers from other religions, including those of the Torah and the Gospel to come up with ways to safeguard humanity."

Cranmer does of course support all the world’s religions joining forces and working together where their unanimity may be a force for good, but this cooperation must be in the political realm. The King says: “I have noticed that the family system has weakened and that atheism has increased. That is an unacceptable behavior to all religions, to the Koran, the Torah and the Bible. We ask God to save humanity. There is a lack of ethics, loyalty and sincerity for our religions and humanity."

Cranmer is not remotely persuaded that the King is talking here of a dialogue of equals. While all faiths may unite in their support for the traditional family, it is difficult to see how they may combat atheism. To which god will the converts be directed? For the Wahhabi, the ethical code which must ultimately prevail is that of Shari’a, and the Christian commitment to such a dialogue will have the effect of censoring any inquiry into Islam, however scholarly, and any criticism of Muslims, ‘for fear of causing offence’. It will certainly halt public baptism of Muslim converts, when such a rite of passage is supposed to be a very public witness of faith and evidence of their commitment to the Saviour and Lord.

Arab newspapers have already deplored the baptism of Magdi Allam, whom they say has ‘worked tirelessly to attack Islam’. One said that the Pope's involvement made it look as if the Vatican was ‘scoring points’, provoking ‘genuine questions about the motives, intentions and plans of some of the Pope's advisers on Islam’.

And then they invoke their commitment to 'A Common Word' - for the sake of humanity and world peace – insisting that their dialogue ‘is not a tit-for-tat logic of reciprocity’.

Reciprocity is a good word, and Cranmer would rather the King had begun his ecumenical endeavor there. Will the King permit churches to be built in Saudi Arabia, where there are over a million Christian believers? Will he acknowledge that religious freedom includes the freedom to change one's religion without fear of execution? Will he concede that the genders are equal in the eyes of God, and that all humans should be treated with justice? And will he learn from the Christian understanding of justice, mercy, and love?


Anonymous hear o israel said...

your grace
much for discussion , which for me is not yet clear , there may well be commonalities and reason to not fall into making a mistake.

how ever if islam wishes to change , it must sort out its quoranic issues , in a way that does engage.

there is a desire to make peace a possibility , but i suspect that no one wishes to feel loss. a rush to pride will not help , is israeli children bleed as much as palastinian children or as much as christian ones.

it seems odd that globalisation has had wealth and enviromental problems , it has also forced what had been undisturbed and seperate to meet , only to find that they disagree .

i am sure islam has its wise and good kings and leaders, but it seems unable to stop poor interpretations of the quoran from being grasped by well funded ignorant clerics intent only on stoking war.

questions of settlement matter greatly and answers may need to be sought without ridicule,i do not wish for attrition but niether do i want loss .i can only hope that islam now sees the world and offers some informed and determined hope for its other inhabitants that do not follow it.

27 March 2008 at 17:44  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

Pay no attention to the lying followers of Uncle Mo'.

Go here instead (Link to the already infamous anti-Koran film - FITNA)

27 March 2008 at 22:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Look at it this way.

There is not a conflict between spiritual understanding usually represented by established religion or generally other, with atheism.

Atheism hardly exists at all in the conscience or subconscious of mankind, however hard some may think, intellectualize or pretend it does exist to themselves. Atheists are not a treat to anyone not just because they hardly exist. But for the obvious reason, they are not exactly in a position to want to die for anything, however important they might believe the issue at HAND to be.

What there is, is a conflict between fundamentalism and the powers that want to entirely control this planet. The Roman Catholic Church being very much in the later camp as is the CofE and all other reformist faiths of all descriptions.

Who either all sold out to the corporate capitalists dream of a New World Order, or where created or corrupted by it, many years ago.

Given a straight choice, and as I am an agnostic, protestant, CofE going, baptized, married to a Hindu Jew. I am on the side of the establishment on this one. True fundamentalism is just to dangerous by half. It makes people do silly things like burn their own hands off after condemning themselves to being burnt alive at the stake. Or blowing themselves to pieces for no individualistic common sense reason. Which is very worrying indeed, to an agnostic coward like myself.

27 March 2008 at 23:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This Catholic believes that His Holiness, Pope Benedict, is a brilliant strategist. He knows Islam and he knows what he is doing. I am often appalled and ashamed by at the ignorance of some of the more liberal Catholic groups. Interfaith should only be done by clergy who have studied Islam. All religions are not equal.


28 March 2008 at 04:23  
Anonymous Serf said...

Compare and contrast:

"I have noticed that the family system has weakened "

From Wikipedia:

"Abdullah has had over thirty wives during his lifetime"

Bear in mind he is allowed 4 at once. He has divorced at least 26 times.

28 March 2008 at 14:20  

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