Wednesday, March 19, 2008

Euthanasia… ‘we don’t let animals suffer like this’

Meet Chantal Sebire. She is inflicted with esthesioneuroblastoma, a terminal cancer of the naval cavity which progressively diminishes sight, taste and smell, and is accompanied by irrevocable brain damage.

The BBC’s Will & Testament blog tells us that the French courts will not permit doctors to assist her suicide because under French law it is permissible to withhold life-sustaining treatment, but nothing may be administered to provoke death. ‘In other words, "passive euthanasia" (withholding treatment) is legal, while "active euthanasia" (deliberately acting to end a patient's life) remains illegal.’

The blog’s author is clear where his sympathies lie, stating starkly: ‘The consequence of this court decision is that Ms Sebire now faces months or years of living with a progressively more painful and debilitating condition. During that time, she may decide to refuse all medical assistance except pain relief. Alternatively, she could decide to travel to Switzerland, Belgium or the Netherlands, where assisted suicide (under certain circumstances) is legal.’

And there the issue is left for discussion.

Well, Cranmer is more than a little irritated by this sort bland and oblique moralising, which is devoid of any analysis of either the politics or the theology of the tragic situation. And let us all agree that this poor woman’s condition is indeed tragic, and no-one can pretend ‘to understand how she feels’, and neither should any comment detract from the dignity with which she endures her affliction, or underestimate that her suffering must be profoundly psychological, emotional, spiritual as well as physical.

But the question of euthanasia is reduced to a question of liberty – she should be free to terminate her life at a time of her choosing – and assisting her would be the ‘Christian’ thing to do.

While Cranmer agrees that the decriminalisation of suicide in 1961 made a modicum of sense insofar as one could never achieve a successful prosecution of the successful and ought to express compassion toward the unsuccessful, the liberalisation of the law on euthanasia would be a dangerously amoral development, as the Lords Spiritual asserted when the issue was last presented to Parliament.

But this is not simply a theist perspective; it is consistent with the principles of Enlightenment secularism also. Natural law – what constitutes right and justice - is common to all mankind. The Greeks and the Romans articulated this in their philosophy, setting the foundation for St Paul and later philosophers. Thus did Cicero write of ‘true law, right reason, diffused in all men, constant and everlasting’, and St. Paul reflect on ‘what the law requires is written in their hearts’ (Rom 2:15). Hobbes defines the law of nature as ‘a precept of general rule found out by reason by which a man in forbidden to do anything which is destructive of his life’.

Opposition to ‘do anything which is destructive of life’ is one of the few general rules which unites all of the world’s religions. The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church states: ‘Whatever its motives and means, direct euthanasia consists in putting an end to the lives of handicapped, sick and dying persons. It is morally unacceptable’ (para.2277). Pope John Paul II reflected in his encyclical ‘Evangelium Vitae’ that ‘we see a tragic spread of euthanasia, disguised and surreptitious, or practised openly or even legally. As well as for reasons of misguided pity at the sight of the patient's suffering, euthanasia is sometimes justified by the utilitarian motive of avoiding costs which bring no return and weigh heavily on society’. And more recently Pope Benedict XVI stated that ‘freedom to kill is not a true freedom but a tyranny that reduces the human being to slavery’.

The Orthodox and Protestant churches have expressed similar views, most notably the Baptists, who concluded that ‘a Christian should never recommend, or help with a suicide of an unsaved person because that would hasten the unsaved person's damnation and prevent any chance of repentance. It is an affront to God to take one's own life, both for reasons of his sovereignty but also because any murder is an attempt to annihilate his image in man (Gen1:26f)’.

Similar sentiments opposing euthanasia may be found in the scriptures and/or ethical traditions of Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism. Suffering is natural to the human condition, and the end of life does not need hastening but loving; there should be no easy escape, but dignity and care. Assisted suicide is as morally repugnant as abortion; indeed, Cranmer is hard-pressed to comprehend those who repudiate the former while supporting the latter, for both are concerned with the termination of the seemingly deficient or unwanted; both have the distaste of eugenics – ending the ‘unworthy’ life. Just as the legalisation of abortion was never intended to open the floodgates that it evidently has, so the legalisation of euthanasia would mutate over the decades, and eventually lead to the ‘humane’ termination of all those who simply cannot be bothered to continue. What will doubtless begin with volunteers will eventually include conscripts; the ‘right’ to die may easily become and expectation, and will certainly eventually become a duty.

Killing is not healing. In a culture that worships youth, beauty and physical fitness, the elderly, ugly and disabled may be seen as revolting, but they are also made in the image of God. And just like he did at Calvary, they must be exhorted to suffer and endure with dignity whatever life throws at them. And then, with Job, shall they know that their redeemer lives. And in the meantime, unlike with Job, they need friends and comforters around them who can make them see that their life has worth, and that their witness is profound.

42 Comments:

Anonymous Sir Henry Morgan said...

Have to disagree with you on this Your Grace.

If I was in that condition, I wouldn't necessarily want someone else to actually do the killing, but I would expect the drugs necessary for a humane route to death to be made available for me to do it for myself.

My life is mine to dispose of as I wish.

How do you see that as a solution?

19 March 2008 09:00  
Anonymous billy said...

Of course sir henry m should be allowed to dispose of his life as he wishes, but he seems to expect that others should supply the means.
A suicide involving others makes them murderers. Go it alone; the sea can provide a quiet and comfortable death.

19 March 2008 09:12  
Anonymous billy said...

I should have added, and do it quietly. Nobody else needs to know.

19 March 2008 09:14  
Anonymous Paul said...

You are despicable. Only a religious fundamentalist such as yourself could espouse such cruelty and think it good.

19 March 2008 09:35  
Blogger haddock said...

Your Grace,
what are your views on "suicide by cop"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_cop

There are those who would argue that the events celebrated next weekend was an example of this..... it had to be, my Lord dying of old age just would not have had the same 'clout'.

19 March 2008 09:48  
Anonymous Sir Henry Morgan said...

No Billy - nobody elsse need supply the means - just make it lawful for people to buy all the barbies and brandy they wish. Easy peasy.

And the sea is not an easy way to go. There is NO "easy" way to go, just some ways that are easier than others. And any doctor will tell you that letting nature take its course is rarely humane. Perhaps you haven't seen enough people dying?

I had a family member whose final words were "Where's Harold Shipman when you need him?"

19 March 2008 10:02  
Anonymous Sir Henry Morgan said...

Paul

The biggest problem with religious fundamentalists (and I don't actually believe His Grace is one of those. Billy, on the other hand ... )is not that they'll tie you to a stake and burn you to death: it's that while they're doing it they'll tell you it's for your own good.

19 March 2008 10:07  
Anonymous Cinnamon said...

Your Grace,

this is not a case that lends itself to generalisation as attempted by you. Life is far too complicated to be dealt with this way.

Taking your line of reasoning that it's up to God to decide who lives how long and who suffers what agony, well, then any medical intervention is plainly wrong since.

People already practice euthanasia very frequently, you cannot legislate reality away.

Legalising it and making it part of a formal process that safeguards everyone involved is far superior to letting it run wild as is currently the case.

You argument that it could become an evil policy is flawed -- truth is that if the people in power decide that, it would happen anyway, it's like saying that a constitution prevents dictatorship (it does not, only people can do that!)

Dying prematurely and in agony is an integral part of this part of this illness, but you're advocating not dealing with this stage of the illness, because you fear 'the consequences', but expecting the victim to suffer for your moral cowardice.

You're confusing Chantal Sebire with Jesus -- he suffered and died for your sins already, so please be satisfied and refrain from demanding more torture sacrifices from your fellow man in the name of God...

19 March 2008 10:35  
Blogger Skin One Up said...

My life is mine to dispose of as I wish.

Sorry, Sir Henry, your life is to be disposed of as authoritarian collectivists like His Grace wishes. You are suffering from the appalling and heretical delusion of being an individual.

Give it up.

19 March 2008 11:45  
Anonymous Sir Henry Morgan said...

skin one up

If you look again at the title of the piece ... I'm not at all sure His Grace is an authoritarian collectivist. Or at least not entirely so. I think this is an issue that troubles him greatly, and that this is why he's thrown this out for debate - to help him make his own mind up.

19 March 2008 12:02  
Anonymous Fitzroy said...

Well said, Your Grace. I'm surprised you haven't had positive comments. Life is the ultimate gift, and suicide is the ultimate rejection of God's gift. It is not cruel to encourage people to bear life's hardships and to trust in God's providence, but it is cruel and incorrect to tell them that God has abandoned them and that their earthly life is of no further value.

That is a fundamental aspect of Christianity. Calling it fundamentalist is merely an epithet and not a counter-argument.

In the U.S. we have taken to calling euthanasia "death with dignity" thereby denying the dignity of those who bear their suffering. See artsandammo.com. We have it backwards.

19 March 2008 14:36  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

OH the search for moral absolutes!If we were all good honest moral people there would be no problems with offering euthenasia ,unfortunately we are not and we should never give the state that power,though in this case would it not be a mercy?but why bring this to the attension of the authorities in the first place?surely this individual could find some-one to buy her a big bag of heroine, in these times nothing could be easier,oh sister ,its just a shot away.

19 March 2008 14:42  
Anonymous wrinkled weasel said...

I cannot agree, but there more to this.

His Grace's grasp of medicine may date back to Nicolas Culpeper, and things have moved on.

Firstly, in cases of esthesioneuroblastoma "Facial and oral symptoms are rare" (emedicine.com) so this poor woman's case is an exception.

Secondly,
"In recent series, the 5-year patient survival rate varies from 50-80%, with the majority of large studies indicating patient survival rates of higher than 70%. In the authors' meta-analysis, the average 5-year survival was 45 ± 22 % (range, 0-86%)" So survival rates are good, meaning that she does not necessarily need to go through hell, and then die.

As far as personally elective suicide is concerned, I have no doubt that if I was diagnosed with a terminal illness at, let us say, a survival rate of less than 40%, I would visit those nice people in Switzerland.

Whereas I have no doubt that, when I die I shall go to be with the Lord my God, I do not harbour any heroic tendencies whatsoever. I shall drink poison and die peacefully and painlessly and go to meet my maker. Maybe a few weeks before he was ready for me, but "there are many rooms" and I reckon a bed will be made up and all my favourite dead people will be there.

Your Grace, I believe you are wrong.

19 March 2008 14:56  
Anonymous Daniel said...

His Grace proves himself the ultimate socialist.

Your life it seems, does not belong to you and any fantasy you have of being an individual and in control of it (which is surely the blessing of freewill?) should cease immediately. For you must bow down the collectivist fantasy of religious extremists like Cranmer.

"..they must be exhorted to suffer and endure..." says it all really.

Cranmer you hide behind the veil of anonymity, so proud and trusting of your religion and your God that you do not have the courage to show yourself. Then you use this poor lady's case to publicly espouse your wicked position.

Shame on you.

19 March 2008 15:12  
Blogger Cranmer said...

O dear.

Ultimate Socialist? Despicable? Religious fundamentalist?Authoritarian collectivist? Deluded? Heretic?

And His Grace was called a 'National Socialist' just a few days ago.

So much ad hominem abuse and so little intelligent and erudite argument. While His Grace is used to being called a 'heretic', he has never been called anything so repugnant as a Socialist.

It makes him rather want to give up. Perhaps he should fly to Switzerland where he may give up with dignity.

19 March 2008 15:48  
Anonymous hear o israel said...

your grace
you have choosen the most difficult of modern subjects. i can recall that in the victorian era , if you were found to have lied or cheated , it was thought better of you to retire to the study with a revolver , than have the family name suffer.

as best i can i think the most truth is in the next to last paragraph , in that if in life we fail to love even to its end then we have not understood christs message.

i am not quite sure if mr skin one up has grasped the error of his post in labelling you as an authoritarian collectivest he eludes that he must be a liberal dissolutionist, i pressume he is blind to that fact that where hemp is grown may help more people if the land was used for food crops !

but to the post , it is very easy to take the doctors words on suffering not being necessary or even cruel , you only need to go a few more steps and you could talk in terms of ecnomics.
this argument of juxtaposition of dignity rings with many , as does the right to end your life. But let us take the case of someone suffering delusion brought about by a curable condition , he/she may be want to die , but they can be saved.

the helpless with a terminal disease should be helped, what more help can one give than to care about not being alone , knowing your affairs are taken care of and that you are loved .

there is respect in lifes ending , indeed it is the most challenging aspect to the adult mind, as a christian i have belief that love goes on after death , i also believe that gods purposes are worked through all stages of life , even the difficulties of loss and degneration.

pope john paul endured and submitted to god , we witnessed the ageing and degeneration of his appearences , in vain media world. surrendering to god is one thing, a personal matter , surrendering to a medical scientific rule or authority, quite another.

it is important that in the christs wish to end suffering that we do not confuse it with a scientific doctorine or with a desire to substitute dignity for salvation of both patient and medical practioner , the two appear to be linked in working gods purpose.

19 March 2008 16:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cranmer

I know how you feel believe me. People have accused myself of being a socialist in the past.

I have been called many things in my life. However being called a socialist of any type is the most deeply hurtful insult, I can think of.

Worse then mass murderer, warmonger, devil worshiper, psychopath, thief, lier, criminal, or even child sex abuser. (Not, may I add, that I have ever been accused of these things by anyone.) As I see Socialism as being clearly all of these things put together, and then some.

I am and always have been a conservative from the top of my head to the tip of my toe.

Even if the Conservative Party or the vast mass of the general public, have very little, if any idea at all, what a conservative is now, or was in the past.

It does focus the mind on the reality that the whole communication with the accuser was totally pointless. As they are most likely a socialist themselves, but have less then zero idea what one is.

We live in strange times indeed, which are about to get far stranger.

Atlas shrugged

19 March 2008 18:01  
Anonymous billy said...

sir henry morgan said...
.......
And the sea is not an easy way to go.

Perhaps you haven't seen enough people dying?
...................

I can assure you that letting go in a cold sea is very easy.

I'm a former ambulanceman. I have seen several people die including those who weren't expecting it and those who welcomed it.

19 March 2008 18:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is very literally the first article I have read on this blog that I am in firm disagreement with.

Individuals should have ultimate determination over their fate in cases of extreme illness and pain; for any judicial authority to dictate otherwise is sickening.

19 March 2008 19:17  
Anonymous NorthernHousewife said...

"In a culture that worships youth, beauty and physical fitness, the elderly, ugly and disabled may be seen as revolting, but they are also made in the image of God"

This is not a question of aesthetic vanity as you well know.

19 March 2008 19:21  
Anonymous Mr Ron said...

Your Grace - allow me to quote at length from John Paul II's homily at Southwark Cathedral in 1982:
"Today I make an urgent plea to this nation. Do not neglect your sick and elderly. Do not turn away from the handicapped and the dying. Do not push them to the margins of society. For, if you do, you will fail to understand that they represent an important truth. The sick, the elderly, the handicapped and the dying teach us that weakness is a creative part of human living, and that suffering can be embraced with no loss of dignity. Without the presence of these people in your midst you might be tempted to think of health, strength and power as the only important values to be pursued in life. But the wisdom of Christ and the power of Christ are to be seen in the weakness of those who share his sufferings.
Let us keep the sick and the handicapped at the centre of our lives. Let us treasure them and recognize with gratitude the debt we owe them. We begin by imagining that we are giving to them; we end by realizing that they have enriched us.
May God bless and comfort all who suffer. And may Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the world and healer of the sick, make his light shine through human weakness as a beacon for us and for all mankind. Amen. "

My late father, Mr Ron I, suffered from Huntington's Disease. On one occasion in the 1990's there was a news item concerning a man who had been convicted of unlawfully killing his brother who had suffered from this same disease - he had smothered him with a pillow. The judge had quite properly, in my view, given this man a non-custodial sentence. When I visited my father in the home he had hidden all the pillows in his room in case someone was to do the same to him - not that anyone would have of course but he was so frightened. In my opinion legalising euthanasia would multiply such fears. Despite my socialism and Catholicism I am delighted to agree with Your Grace on this important issue.

This is the voice of the Mr Ron

19 March 2008 20:40  
Anonymous Paul C said...

Like many others, this is one of the few positions that Cranmer has that I am firmly opposed to. I have no interest in calling him names; he is free to believe what he wishes, to live accordingly and to write about it on his (most excellent) blog. However I don't believe that he has fully considered the implications of his position.

His case against euthanasia is based on the assumption that the individual should have less rights over their own body than a religious community to which they do not belong. We have spent many years taking step after painful step away from that state of affairs, and I think His Grace needs to accept that perhaps this is simply the last step in that long journey.

19 March 2008 21:00  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Paul C,

It is not simply the opinion of a 'religious community', but, as he states, a morality supported by the principles of Enlightenment secularism also.

His Grace is most appreciative of those communicants who have contributed their reasoned and reasonable arguments against his stance, with which he finds himself in considerable agreement and occasional (reluctant) disagreement.

This is, of course, a very difficult area, yet there is no easy threshold for determining the point at which one must be permitted to simply give up. If it is simply physical suffering, why should the medical profession hold the keys of life? And if physical, why not mental and emotional also, and who then holds the keys to life?

19 March 2008 21:35  
Blogger Skin One Up said...

Paul c said: His Grace needs to accept that perhaps this is simply the last step in that long journey

How about homosexuality? His Grace would surely not forego the governance of our bedrooms.

Remember that you are but one of a flock. A flock of sheep. And the singular of sheep is, er, sheep. The one and the whole are but one, and His Grace is our shepherd and, were it left to him, he might one day decide in his wisdom that it is in our best interests that he acquire a dog or two, wherewith to keep us all on the strait and narrow path of righteousness, as defined by His Grace, but for our own good, and the greater glory of God.

19 March 2008 21:37  
Anonymous Mr Ron said...

With respect Paul C, and without wishing to put words into his grace's mouth euthanasia like abortion is not so much about affiliation to a religous community it goes to the heart of what it means to be human. If I help procure an abortion or encourage my wealthy elderly aunt to seek euthanasia I am not transgressing some religous rule like skipping Mass or failing to say my prayers I am denying another's humanity.

19 March 2008 21:39  
Anonymous Devil's Advocate said...

" there is no easy threshold for determining the point at which one must be permitted to simply give up"

Your Grace,

Would you not agree that such a threshold could be reasonably deduced from countries which already permit euthanasia and who, seemingly, regulate it with relative efficiency?

People should be entrusted with the right to determine their own fate in circumstances of extreme discomfort. To dismiss rational dialogue on the basis of it being "difficult" to judge where we draw the line is, in my eyes, too weak a reason.

19 March 2008 21:58  
Anonymous Paul C said...

Your Grace: The religious point of view must be part of the public discussion on this issue, but I must object to the use of the phrase "give up", which you have used more than once. Aside from that, I agree that there is no easy threshold, and that this is just one of the serious practical questions that arise from the more abstract philosophical issues.

p.s. Your argument that Enlightenment philosophy supports your views is unfortunately not borne out by the evidence; the best example is Hume's essay "On Suicide" (http://comp.uark.edu/~mpianal/hume.htm#suicide), which argues forcefully "That Suicide may often be consistent with interest and with our duty to ourselves, no one can question, who allows that age, sickness, or misfortune, may render life a burthen, and make it worse even than annihilation."

Skin One Up: I am nobody's sheep, least of all in the bedroom. Or something.

Mr Ron: I take your point, but I have not seen an argument - here or elsewhere - that coherently argues that one denies another's humanity by helping them to end their own life with a modicum of dignity. I agree that these issues go to the heart of what it means to be human, so perhaps we disagree on what it means to be human...

19 March 2008 22:09  
Anonymous firefox user said...

Alas, it would seem that the discussion is no longer relevant to the lady herself

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7305970.stm

Perhaps we should try not to engage in the inevitable speculation that will follow.

19 March 2008 22:22  
Anonymous Mr Ron said...

Paul C:
Yes I think you're right about where we differ and I suspect on our understanding of dignity.

I have no expertise in this field - but how would euthanasia fare when Kant's categorical imperative is applied to it?

PS Liked the picture of the boat on your website. Can I be nosey and a where it is?

19 March 2008 22:43  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Paul C,

Hume?

His Grace was talking about philosophers.

19 March 2008 23:03  
Anonymous devil's advocate said...

Your Grace,

Please do reply to my post (5 posts up from this one) as I am keen to hear your reasoning.

19 March 2008 23:20  
Anonymous hear o israel said...

hi devils advocate
i think dismissing rational dialogue , is exactly what you have to do , if you are to love to the end and beyond.

20 March 2008 00:23  
Blogger mongoose said...

And here, hear o israel, we divide the debate. No offence or criticism is intended for I think, if I may be so bold, that that is your point. His Grace, and other gentle, good souls such as yourself, see a "reason" behind life, a sanctity beyond rational analysis, and that reason is driven by your faith.

Those of us who see a different world and live a different life, perhaps a life sacred in a different way, see the suffering and wonder why a lady's informed and understandable wish to end it all should not be respected. Perhaps it has been. RIP, Madame Sebire.

I alone have dominion over my life and I reserve the right - properly thought through and supported by kind and gentle folk such as can be found hereabouts - to put an end to it should that life become intolerable. I would exercise such a discretion in full awareness, I hope, of what my actions would do to those around me but that is temperance not abdication.

And, no, Mr Brown, you may not harvest my organs without my express and explicit consent. This body is me and mine! (Psssst! Donor card in wallet.)

20 March 2008 01:03  
Anonymous M Burgess said...

I heard on the radio this morning that Chantal Sebire has died. Naturally, if that is the correct word.

20 March 2008 10:29  
Anonymous S Jamieson said...

It is being said that Mme.Sebire was found dead at the bottom of her stairs.

"May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord Make His face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you.May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace."

20 March 2008 14:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The moral questions re assisted suicide must wait. I hope and pray that the good Lord will wash away her sins and take her to his Eternal Love.
Rest in Peace, the Lord holds thee now.

Michael.

20 March 2008 20:20  
Blogger Graham said...

Who can tell be for certain that the suffering stops after death? This surely must be the only question to be answered.

20 March 2008 22:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is not true, as you say in the text and repeat in one response to a comment, that what you think is also in consonance with the Enlightenment. You cite the Enlightenment to stress the importance of natural law, but then use only, and only, religious opinions to support the view that it has to do with such natural law that a woman, who is now resting in peace, should not be given help in her plan. If you meant to say that the natural law that interested the Enlightenment was natural in the sense of non-interference with nature, then you are a long way off. I couldn't imagine any Enlightened thinker propose that one should absolutely and necessarily die of a bleeding wound.

Of course I agree with those who have noticed that your view easily leads to the idea that the individual belongs to the collectivity more than to him/herself. You use God's will, but that might be only a means that you give to yourself to be sure that the action of an individual, whose condition and feelings you cannot know, would not disrupt your own platonic idea of reality and society. In a word, you seek salvation through the suffering of another human. I also think that the biggest betrayal of Jesus message is to conceive of the idea that, because he himself suffered, he gave an example of how everybody should suffer after him. It also weakens tremenduosly the power of his choice, because what you would be implying is that, by suffering, Jesus only did the RIGHT thing, that everybody should do, that everybody would do, and that all society should expect everybody to do. So the sacrifice for us becomes not a choice, but an obligation. What's the value of that exactly?

Now she is gone, but you are also defeated, because at the same time you were: unable to avoid her suffering; to let her cease her suffering (good or bad as it were a thing to do); and you didn't show human compassion for her dramatic choice.

Paulo

20 March 2008 22:57  
Anonymous Paul C said...

Mr Ron: I'm not sure why Mr Hume is out of favour with His Grace, but hopefully Herr Kant meets his approval.

Despite Kant's own writing on the subject, I don't believe that the categorical imperative poses a distinct problem for the question of assisted suicide if it is approached in the right way. Perhaps you could expand on why you think it does?

There's an exciting yet mysterious prize for anybody who can tell me exactly where the photo of the boat on my blog was taken.

20 March 2008 23:25  
Blogger Snuffleupagus said...

Oh come now Your Grace, you cannot criticise bland moralising and then proceed to quote various scripture or various philosophers stating it is 'Natural Law', as the main vehicle of your argument against Euthanasia.

If one wishes to argue against Euthanasia, I would have thought the more powerful argument would be your point about what this might do to the individual who is forced to help in the deed.

Often Lefties make the argument that certain methods of discipline in school should be banned because otherwise they will be abused - so the cane, permanent exclusion for instance. As human beings, we cannot be trusted with the freedom to behave in this way.

You seem to be saying the same thing about Euthanasia. Because there is room for abuse, we must ban it altogether.

Is the argument not the same? And I think it is a grave error indeed to ban behaviour when done in a structured and restricted environment, can bring much benefit both to society in general, and to the person who is directly affected by this behaviour.

20 March 2008 23:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Opposition to ‘do anything which is destructive of life’ is one of the few general rules which unites all of the world’s religions"

Too bad Christianity and Islam don't follow their own principles, as two millennia of religious wars and executions show.

In any case, even if you followed your principles, they don't apply here. You want to actively withhold the means of ending one's life from other people, through the force of law and the state. That goes far beyond merely not killing yourself and is morally untenable.

21 March 2008 10:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although it is profitable and power-gleaning for ecclesiasts and moralists to judge others' experience and efforts...

...no one has the right to intervene between a person and their god where ultimate things are concerned.

Anyone who insists others suffer for their own religious fetishes is a sadist.

I saw this woman's photo--what a beautiful face she has cultivated out of this horrible suffering!--and read her story and wept.

May god grant her the empowerment to do as she must.

And may god punish such lies as these:

"Opposition to ‘do anything which is destructive of life’ is one of the few general rules which unites all of the world’s religions. "

18 June 2008 20:31  

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