Saturday, March 29, 2008

Fitna now censored in the UK

There is great importance in the provision of freedom of expression. Without it, there would be no political or religious dialogue that would be meaningful or in any sense credible. There were references to Cranmer yesterday on a number of websites and prominent blogs, and the link from ConservativeHome referred to it being ‘a tribute to the UK that Fitna is freely hosted here’.

Well, it no longer is.

LiveLeak, the British company which boldly went where the American Network Solutions did not dare, has also been threatened into submission. Their Fitna link now leads to the following message:

Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill-informed report from certain corners of the British media that could seriously affect the safety of some staff members, LiveLeak has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers.

This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well being of our staff above all else. We would like to thank the thousands of people from all backgrounds and religions who gave us their support. They realised that LiveLink.com is a vehicle for many opinions and not just for the support of one.

Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one anothers culture.

We stood for what we believed in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.


Cranmer knows rather a lot about the price that may be paid for speaking out for what one believes, and that price may indeed be very high, but the notion of freedom of expression being censored in a free country by any authority other than Parliament (which may not bind its successors) is repugnant to all freedom-loving and law-abiding democrats.

This film is provocative; it is shocking and even repugnant, and it may even emanate from a desire to cause maximum offence, but it also has an undoubted educational purpose insofar as, for the first time in such an accessible medium, it helps to explain the theological genesis of the jihadi suicide bomber. Of course the qur’anic quotations are devoid of context, and of course millions of Muslims will find the implicit interpretations repugnant, but that was the very purpose of the film.

It may have assisted all peace-loving Muslims the world over if the outrage over this film had been matched and even surpassed by protests and demonstrations against all the featured acts of barbarism committed by jihadists 'for the glory of Allah'. But they have not.

It is not Cranmer’s desire to cause gratuitous offence, but in the United Kingdom in the 21st century His Grace’s ‘bottom line’ must reverberate the length and breadth of the land:

Freedom of speech must be tolerated, and everyone living in the United Kingdom must accept that they may be insulted about their own beliefs, or indeed be offended, and that is something which they must simply endure…

And the principle in enshrined in law. In an important judgement on a case dealing with religious freedom of speech in the High Court on 23rd July 1999, Lord Justice Sedley quoted Socrates and two famous Quakers when he declared: "The irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and provocative have a right to be heard."

Just a decade later, this is no longer the case.

There is one religio-political agenda which has no compatibility with British democracy; indeed, it is in the process of destroying it. It may be observed that one may attack Christianity and offend Christians by blaspheming the name of Christ with impunity; there is no sensitivity to the level of this offence, and therefore no censorship. But any such attack on Islam and its prophet not only meets with the full force of the law, there are draconian levels of pre-emptive censorship just in case the Queen’s Peace is disturbed.

The default 'blasphemy law' in the UK is now Shari’a, and it is under its absolutes that all religio-political discourse must now be conducted. The Qur'an is now treated with greater respect than the Bible; the name of Allah is more fearful than that of Jehovah; and the life and teachings of Mohammed are more sacred than those of Jesus.

Cranmer presumes the Archbishop of Canterbury is content with the incorporation of this aspect of Shari’a into UK law, albeit by the back door.

24 Comments:

Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

The Koran and the Hadiths explicitly instruct violence against unbelievers. Do bare in mind that an unbeliever is anyone who objects to any aspect of the nominally God inspired Koran and Sharia law. Such as secularists who make their own laws that include, for instance, gender equality, or permitting representations of Mohammed and the cartoonists who work according to these laws whom suggest that the violence we have been seeing from Mohammedans may be inspired by the Prophet Mohammed. A suggestion that was vindicated.

Surah 8, Verse 38:    Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.

Verse 39:    And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

This is not a question of interpretation. Islam is not being utilised for immoral, or "nihilistic", or criminal desires, Islam is immoral.

29 March 2008 at 10:52  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

There is nothing in this video that has not been seen in the television news or the media in general over the past few years,to say that this is now tantamount to religious hatred is absurd since we have all seen these particular pictures in our daily papers,and rather than cause hatred ,suppressing OUR freedom of speech is more than likely to inflame passions that before were dormant,perhaps the police could do thier job and investigate the people that have been making threats to the company that legally hosted this video,but in any case it is high time that the muslim fascists were deported from our countries,for this abuse of our hospitality will only become more violent if we allow them to remain,the time for tollerance has passed and now we must do the only reasonable thing in the circumstances ,to maintain our freedom and our way of life,and please no talk of "moderate muslims" for islam there is only one agenda ,domination, by violence or demographics the result is the same,and it is time that the English people got up off thier knees and decided what they want for a change,and it is definately NOT ISLAM.

29 March 2008 at 13:26  
Blogger bigfoot said...

I watched the video before it was expunged and I cannot see what all the fuss is about. It simply showed words from the Koran, either printed or being spoken by Muslims, then pictures of them carrying out the words they had read. There was no commentary or criticism of their actions. The words are well known and the pictures have all been printed in the western media. What is there to complain about ?

Either Muslims dislike being shown as 'Good' Muslims who obey the Koran, or they dislike being shown as 'Bad' Muslims for daring to obey the Koran. Which is it ?

29 March 2008 at 14:31  
Blogger bigfoot said...

I watched the video before it was expunged and I cannot see what all the fuss is about. It simply showed words from the Koran, either printed or being spoken by Muslims, then pictures of them carrying out the words they had read. There was no commentary or criticism of their actions. The words are well known and the pictures have all been printed in the western media. What is there to complain about ?

Either Muslims dislike being shown as 'Good' Muslims who obey the Koran, or they dislike being shown as 'Bad' Muslims for daring to obey the Koran. Which is it ?

29 March 2008 at 14:35  
Anonymous Terry said...

Islam has become the de facto national protected religion of this country.

29 March 2008 at 15:00  
Anonymous athanasius said...

It's still there on YouTube: more than 320,000 views so far.

29 March 2008 at 15:01  
Anonymous najistani said...

Those of Your Grace's communicants with philosophical inclinations may care to reflect upon the fact that 'THE LIST OF THINGS WHICH ARE OFFENSIVE TO MUSLIMS' has now been incorporated as one of the items in 'THE LIST OF THINGS WHICH ARE OFFENSIVE TO MUSLIMS', which itself therefore both contains and is contained within 'THE LIST OF THINGS WHICH ARE OFFENSIVE TO MUSLIMS' - and so on all the way up, and all the way down...

Allah is indeed Akhbar!

http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2008/03/armchair-critic-blogger-who-posted-list.html

29 March 2008 at 16:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time for the resistance to go viral, methinks.

Can this film be uploaded to LimeWire and other such peer-to-peer networking hosts, so we can all download it and share it before the Islamonazis shut down debate?

Alfred of Wessex

29 March 2008 at 18:14  
Anonymous nedsherry said...

There is one religio-political agenda which has no compatibility with British democracy; indeed, it is in the process of destroying it.

How did Islam get into this country when the white Christian majority never wanted it here? If you answer that question, you will realize that there is another religio-political agenda that has no compatibility with British majority and, indeed, is in the process of destroying it. Muslim immigration is one of its tools.

It may be observed that one may attack Christianity and offend Christians by blaspheming the name of Christ with impunity; there is no sensitivity to the level of this offence, and therefore no censorship. But any such attack on Islam and its prophet not only meets with the full force of the law, there are draconian levels of pre-emptive censorship just in case the Queen’s Peace is disturbed.

The race laws paved the way for that and were partly intended to facilitate the entry of Muslims. But it wasn't Muslims who created the race laws. Nor was it a Muslim who wrote this gloating article about the disappearance of Christianity from our national life:

A delightful, religion-free December 25: Thank God, it’s now secular

So although it’s an annual tradition for Christian leaders to issue a Christmas homily, one has to wonder why they still bother – because the metamorphosis of Christmas from religious to secular holiday is part of the same process that renders bishops and priests increasingly irrelevant.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article3097458.ece

Islam would be no problem to us if Muslims were not in Europe in such large numbers. And they did not get here by themselves.

29 March 2008 at 18:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a sad day for England as it turns towards Islam.

England will become the first Islam country in Europe in few years.

29 March 2008 at 18:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not pretend to be a theologian but I do know this.

Wars happen because they are financed, planned, and organized to happen, by a conspiracy of one form or another.

Many times in the past by the use of conspiracies or straight forward false flag operations, not discovered or fully worked out, until often many years
after the event.

Wars are started by people who believe they WILL WIN. Not by people that must surly know they can only lose everything they have in the end. Unless of course the losing party was conspired or conned into believing they could win, when they could only ever have lost.

The main motivating excuse for profitable conflicts, used to be religious in foundation, but later was seen to be more ideologically based, in things such as Communism and Fascism.

Which as we should all know by now, are all but the same things. Which result in exactly the same nasty results for the ordinary people in the end. Death, poverty, repression, and a more powerful, relatively rich and murderously entrenched ruling elite.

A conspiracy could be very simple in the distant past. But now days an effective conspiracy has to be far more complex expensive well planned, and ultimately more profitable then before. Usually involving mass communications such as TV and the dead tree press, working wittingly or not for the main conspirators.

Generally speaking the bigger and the more 'modern' the war, the bigger, more confusing and complicated the conspiracy needs to be.

There is no doubt whatsoever that there is a lot of Muslims out there prepared to kill non-Muslims and indeed even more Muslims to obtain the desired result.

The question is not whether there is a conspiracy to cause a war between the interests of the Muslim World and the corporate powers that largely run and own this planet. Because as I have already indicated, there is always a conspiracy.

The questions are.

Where is it going to lead you and your family, win or lose. Because in war all ordinary people lose, and the Ruling elites that organize wars always win. Whether this long since been reality of life, is self apparent now or not?

(Anyone but especially experienced well read theologians can find passages in religious texts that promote violence and destruction, if they want, or are richly employed to find them. Peaceful and constructive one also if their employers wish.)

Who and why are certain bits being promoted with the exclusion of others, and by who and to what end?

Why are so many of this current generations of Muslim youth being instructed to find only the violent and destructive texts relevant to there short existence. While there leaders also promote them to be put these into deadly, suicidal, seemingly and ultimately pointless action?

How much and exactly what we end up losing is one very important thing.

However surly it is self apparent fact that the fundamentalist Muslim world will end up losing this particular game big time, in the end.

This obvious reality should help in the understanding of what this game is all about. Who really invented it, so is therefore making all the rules, and who has already decided what the result will very largely be.

It may be our creator/s Allah/God/beings from another planet, take your pick. Although I personally suspect the main instigating mega powerful, mind and media controlling culprits, are to be found far closer to home then many could possibly imagine.

A good place to start would be to find out who is really behind, the people behind, the people who attend the Bilderburg meetings. I think it might a be very illuminating exercise.

Atlas shrugged

29 March 2008 at 18:54  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Geert Wilders must be pleased - his film is simple rather like Van Gigh's "Submission" with Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Having it removed because of threats is perfect for Wilders.

The point is made. Discussion is censored for fear of violence. Chamberlain used Joseph Kennedy to influence Pathe News to xensor newsreels in British cinemas so critics of Hitler did not get an airing - to avoid provocation. The BBC kept Churchill off the airwaves.

It is brilliant that a small film could be banned by the threat of violence. Game, Set and Match to Wilders. We have been warned !

29 March 2008 at 18:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alfred, is Limewire kosher?

29 March 2008 at 19:16  
Anonymous hear o israel said...

your grace
there are many things on the internet that are offensive to even basic decency , it seems as though we are not allowed to think for our selves now !!
what sort of goverment does that remind you of ??

crammers bottom line equates to civilisation , being able to test ideas and ideaology , how interesting the liberal fascists cannot find the stomach to speak out either for or against .

"so weak" "so what"

29 March 2008 at 22:00  
Anonymous convinced Anglican said...

Your Grace

What can be done? I appeal to you to apply your mind and great experience; to offer leadership to your people.

It is a sad day for British democracy that this arrogant religious minority has acquired so much power (via threats and actual violence) that FREE SPEECH and FREE WILL (our right to choose what we view or think) has been eroded.

Will the police investigate and track down the perpetrators of the threats against 'Links' ... don't hold your breath.

This government is running scared. They are so in thrall to the Saudi dictatorship for oil and weapons deals they have compromised the nation. Every branch of the civil service, including the police service, has been brainwashed by multicultural (read dhimmi) training.

WHO 'anonymous' asks is behind the stealthy invasion of Britain. Saudi oil and money, hand in hand with the compliant sell-off of shares in financial institutions to Arab interests. I suggest Tariq Ramadan (he so beloved of Canterbury) and his organisation the Muslim Brotherhood who have made no secret of their long-term objective of the Islamification of Europe by stealth.

I am incoherent with anger. A government's first duty is to protect the interests of its own people. Who are its own people? For NuLabour it is now the vast number of Muslim immigrants they have allowed to colonise, unregulated, huge swathes of English cities.

In permitting such invasions, NuLabour has abandoned and betrayed its own natural vote - the white working-class. These people have been deprived of the crafts, trades, traditions and the community cohesion which inculcated self-respect.

That self-respect and love of country inspired resistance and victory in WWII. Today, too many have reduced to a state of welfare dependent apathy, seduced by alcohol, drugs and rampant consumerism. The BBC 'white' series was offensive in its portrayal of 'nice' Muslims and dysfunctional whites.

Yes. There is a huge problem, I would aver, across the classes, in non-Muslim Britain BUT none of these (self-destructive individuals) are strapping on the suicide belts and blowing their fellow citizens to smithereens.

The arrogance of Muslims resident in Britain is not confined to the 'extremists' or 'radicals'; it is a seminal doctrine of the religo-politico ideology which is Islam. The so-called 'silent moderate' is imbued with precisely the same religious and psychological mindset as his radical brother/sister.

Read Ed Husain 'The Islamist' for insight into the extreme moral and religious superiority symbolised by the wearing of the hideous burka; read of his 'fear' of the excesses of such women in Tower Hamlets.

We must remember how the Jews of Europe were 'groomed' by the Nazis - restrictions on civil rights; on free speech, on right of movement, curfews, yellow stars (first initiated in Islamic societies), on schooling, social life, public transport, jobs. What they were permitted to write, publish, speak; bank accounts frozen, homes and valuables impounded and, finally no name, no possessions, just a number.

Fascism always begins with small erosions of the rights of others. Muslims have been busy eradicating the enlightenment culture and civil rights of the British people for quite some time.

HOW can they be stopped?

29 March 2008 at 22:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

English version available here

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4102648/Fitna_the_Movie__Geert_Wilders__film_about_the_Quran_(English

Use uTorrent or similar to download.

Good example of why the internet, and the torrents in particular, will always circumvent attempts at censorship.

30 March 2008 at 00:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those less tech savvy, you can view the film on Google

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410

30 March 2008 at 03:43  
Anonymous nedsherry said...

Convinced Anglican said...

This government is running scared. They are so in thrall to the Saudi dictatorship for oil and weapons deals they have compromised the nation. Every branch of the civil service, including the police service, has been brainwashed by multicultural (read dhimmi) training.

WHO 'anonymous' asks is behind the stealthy invasion of Britain. Saudi oil and money, hand in hand with the compliant sell-off of shares in financial institutions to Arab interests. I suggest Tariq Ramadan (he so beloved of Canterbury) and his organisation the Muslim Brotherhood who have made no secret of their long-term objective of the Islamification of Europe by stealth.


Lord Levy. Labour Friends of Israel. David Abrahams. They're not Muslims. And do you think supplying millions of pounds to New Labour doesn't give them a say in what New Labour does? Muslims are here because our institutions were subverted by an older enemy of Christianity. His Grace wrote in an earlier post:

It may have simply been Mr Gove’s desire to play to his audience, but Cranmer is puzzled by his singling out of Jewish schools as role models for faith schools. He said: ‘One of the many gifts the Jewish community has given Britain is a brilliant working model of how to combine respect for religious tradition with commitment to shared British values.’ While this may be true, there are also equally brilliant working models among the Christian schools.

There's no need for puzzlement. A politician who sucks up to Christians gets little in modern Britain. A politician who sucks up to Jews, on the other hand, gets a lot. See also Bliar and Brown. As His Grace wrote in a still earlier post:

And here is Prime Minister Brown’s message to British Christians for Christmas:

Yes, that’s right, nothing. Absolutely nothing. To a nation with a professed Christian adherence of 70% of the population, and a state church which provides both monarchy and Parliament with their historic foundations, the Prime Minister says nothing. So Cranmer has written him a piece for next year, using the precise phrases he deploys to sing the praises of Eid and Diwali.


http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2007/12/gordon-brown-doesnt-do-christmas.html

There's something more important than Eid and Diwali to traitors like Brown:

PM Gordon Brown wishes the Jewish community a happy hanukkah

http://youtube.com/watch?v=crCL1CcUBHE

30 March 2008 at 13:49  
Blogger Alfred of Wessex said...

Anonymous said...

Alfred, is Limewire kosher?

29 March 2008 19:16


Limewire is one of a number of perfectly legitimate pieces of software that enable people to share one or more files on their computers across the internet through what is called 'peer-to-peer networking'.

It relies on each user downloading and then being prepared to allow other users to access at least one file from your computer through the Limewire software. For example, that file might be a WMV file of the Fitna film.

It is true that much copyright material (mostly video and sound files of pop 'music') is shared illegally in this way, but any illegality lies in the breach of copyright, not in the sharing of files per se.

I am sure that Mr Wilders would be only too happy for individual internet users to allow others to download and share his film in this way.

My understanding is that the Islamonazis would need to take down almost every single computer running Limewire or similar in order to suppress distribution of such material.

That is why I am suggesting it as a distribution channel for the more technically literate members of the resistance.

30 March 2008 at 19:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Atlas Shrugged and the other conspiracy theorists might care to read Paul's Letter to the Ephesians, Chapter 6 v12
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms" NIV version.
Those spiritual forces care not one whit about who they use to achieve their aims. It just happens to be Islam this time, but at other times it's been the Christian Church. All that matters is that we are kept in the dark, fighting each other, worshipping the false idols of celebrity, getting drunk and drugged and unaware of what is happening to us.
I think that will answer his last question
Dave

31 March 2008 at 14:12  
OpenID curly15 said...

When will the corporate bodies and state organs accept that the individual has every right to expect to be able to make his/her own judgement on what is suitable to read, hear, or watch?

1 April 2008 at 12:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 14:12

Thank you for that. I read it many years ago.

Conspiracy theorist, is a term given to someone that is basically wrong, due to having an over active imagination and a paranoid disposition.

It is also the term the BBC uses when they know damned well the guy is as correct as correct gets. While hoping that simply by using the word conspiracy that the great unwashed go running down completely the wrong road once again. Hopefully until the heat is off.

I am a lay historian and a business man that knows when someone is lying. If I did not know this I would have gone bankrupt before I had made my first £10 note.

It is very easy to tell when an politician is lying. When there lips start moving up and down while saying something about vital national interests, is usually a dead give away.

Cock-ups happen more often then conspiracies thats a fact. I for example had a small motor bike accident a few days ago.

However big wars as all big crimes are never accidents. Many things that happen during them are, but the big war or the big crime themselves NEVER are. They are indeed conspiracies.

(Just ask any judge if you don't believe me. Half the time they are conspiracies between the criminal and the so called victim to rip off the insurance company. Or get shot of the rich husband or the nagging old bitch of a wife.)

Not in the entire history of mankind, whatever your history books tell you. History books and documentaries only make logical sense if you always read between the lines. Realizing that they are always written by the winners. Therefore the last thing the winner wants is anyone to be able to work out properly and fully quite how much of a conspiracy the war and its eventual outcome was.

Winston Churchill was a great man in many ways. But he was also a establishment journalist working for his beloved British Empire and therefore and also one of the most convincingly dishonest lier's in modern times.

As you indicate there is now and always has been evil forces in this world. We in the west have for the last thousand years been very largely the eventual victors, even when we might have very much wished people to believe we lost. So logically we must have been more evil clever ruthless and above all dishonest then our enemies. Otherwise we would all be speaking German or Muslim or only God knows what by now.

I am not knocking it just for the sake of knocking, the British economic system of overwhelming corporate power, has brought many benefits to the world. Just stating common sense facts of life and only far too often premature horrendous death.

We live under the illusion that we have as individuals or collectively some kind of power over our ruling elites. This is no way true now and it never has been. Even our elected representatives have little real power over 'events shall we say?' Jack Kennedy being a well know case in point.

We were expendable pawns in a very rich devoutly evil mans game a thousand years ago, we still are now. Nothing but nothing has changed, and nothing ever will.

Not a conspiracy theory. It is Well documented REALITY.

Do people really believe the world is run by people like George Bush and Gordon Brown? Yeeeks surly we should hope not.

To believe that it is, does not just indicate, crass stupidity on an industrial scale, that even makes George Bush look half smart. It indicates that the individual is even capable of trusting any of the consistent and ever more obvious Fascist propaganda that daily spouts from the BBC.

Atlas shrugged and wished people would read the book at least once in there lives. Its rubbish in many ways, but it is the still THE most important and radically misunderstood books ever written since The King James version of The Bible.

2 April 2008 at 01:06  
Blogger Cliff said...

It is facinating to get this perspective. I think European folks are having a natural reaction to the artificially created "false flag" attacks designed to inflame hatred of the Arab community. I only realized myself that Zionists have been running US foreign policy, which i was prompted to investigate as a result of Presidential candidate Barack Obama's pastor had been gettin hammered non-stop in the media as a rascist for speaking out against Zionists from the pulpit.
Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Mark Zell, Don Rumsfeld, Richard Armitage, in invidious Straussian fashion posing of all thing as a Lutheran...Elliott Abrams, John Bolton, Dov S. Zakheim, Doug Feith,
David Frum....as an American i am stunned and amazed, to only just learn that the term "neo-con" actually translates to "hardcore Straussian Zionists"... i cannot put it in stark enough terms. The people who shape our foreign policy, wage our wars, loot our economy and generally run my country into the ground do it to serve ISRAEL... i say, sitting here in seattle, especially since the US pinheaded public are responsible for carpet bombing their cities. There are less that 3 Jews per 100 people in my country, and they have completely taken it over. All major media markets, all opiners in the media, it is all largely Zionist owned. This isnt hyperbole, and it terrifies me...how blind i have been....

9 April 2008 at 19:38  
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