Monday, May 26, 2008

Why Christians should think thrice before voting Labour

When is a free vote not a free vote?

When it is an issue of conscience and Harriet Harman leads a whipping like the one witnessed on the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill.

Whipping is usually fully disclosed, and why should it not be in a free and fair democracy? But to pretend that members have a free vote on an ethical matter, and to inform the public that issues of conscience will be respected, only then to force members down a particular lobby with threats for those who dare to disobey, is mendacious, manipulative and immoral.

And ultimately it is for the Christian in a democracy to be discerning and to vote for the lesser evil. Cranmer is humbly asking his readers and communicants to consider that New Labour is becoming increasingly antithetical towards Christian morality, and has abdicated its responsibility to care for the poor, the needy, and the unborn.

According to The Mail on Sunday, Harriet Harman was the driving force to prevent any reduction in the time limit for abortions. She allegedly organised a group of women MPs who ‘browbeat and bullied’ their colleagues into voting to keep the 24-week limit:

‘Technically, once the MPs turned up, they could vote either way. In reality, sources say, they were greeted by Ms Harman’s group, who pressured them to vote against the move, proposed by Tory MP Nadine Dorries. According to one account, women Labour MPs formed a “human corridor” to channel their colleagues into the ‘No’ lobby. One Labour MP claimed to have heard one of Ms Harman’s team shout: “Vote against us and the sisterhood will never let you forget it”.’

It is reported that Ms Harman was assisted by fellow pro-abortion Labour MPs Barbara Follett, Joan Ruddock and Emily Thornberry. A former minister said: ‘Harriet organised the whole thing like a full-scale whipping operation. Everywhere you went there was someone saying, “Have you voted against Dorries?” If you said “No” you got an earful. Some male Labour MPs felt very intimidated. Afterwards, the women were crowing about how successful they had been.’

There is a steadily increasing intolerance of religious or ethical considerations, and especially to those of immense concern to Christians. The principal justification given to sustaining the present abortion limit, to the production of animal-human hybrids, and to the creation of ‘fatherless’ children, was an appeal to 'science' as if it were the only source of reason. The triumph of utilitarianism has relegated religious considerations to the peripheries of sanity, and the only rational context in which debate can now take place is that which reduces ethical considerations to matters of economics or science.

New Labour has cheapened the value of life and negated the primacy of conscience. They have misrepresented science in order to perpetuate their programme of social engineering, and they are intent on destroying the carefully-laid foundations of tolerance and respect which have set this nation apart. They are so intent on legislating for tolerance towards every intolerant minority that they are legislating for intolerance of the tolerant Christian majority.

When Christians dare to be convicted, they are portrayed as bigots. When they articulate a view with which others may disagree, they are dogmatic. When they fall short of perfection, they are pilloried and cast as hypocrites. When they defend the unborn, they are unenlightened. When they oppose animal-human embryos, they are anti-science. When they express concern over the fatherless, they are homophobic. When they speak up for the poor, they are wishy-washy liberals. When they defend faith-based education, they are intolerant. When they seek to uphold marriage, they are ‘right wing’ reactionaries.

It is becoming increasingly evident that Christians should think not just twice but thrice before casting a vote for Labour at the next general election. All those Roman Catholics who have historically supported the Socialist cause must be encouraged to at least consider conversion to the Conservative cause - if only to see a modest reduction in the abortion limit.


Anonymous Smith Dorrien said...

They've took the Roman Catholic vote for granted for too long, the votes last week - and Catholic adoption agencies issue - have severely alienated their core catholic support, which is generally speaking 'small c conservative'.

Labour's investment in public services, foreign aid and (clandestine) redistribution have been popular, but their high-handed metropolitan attitudes have caused great unrest in the pews at Holy Mass. Priests are talking politics from the pulpit more than I can ever remember.

26 May 2008 at 10:34  
Anonymous Peter O said...

We are starting to wake up as the body of Christ in this country and beginning to realise that their are deep, evil, spiritual forces at work in this country that have subtlely gripped the soul of many of our politicians. When the serpent replied to Eve in the Garden he said, "You shall not die - you shall become like God, knowing what is good and evil". Of course, the way God "knows" what is good and evil is not that he simply observes events to be so, indepedent of Himself, but rather he himself is the moral compass around which virtue is based. "God saw it, and it was good", not because it just happened to be good, but because God said it was.

But we know have a Government that is the epitome of humanity that sticks its fingers up at YHWH and says, "I want to be God - I will decide what is true".

And that’s what sin is, and its wages are death.

26 May 2008 at 10:53  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

Really speaking the 24 month time limit is mostly significant because of the possible suffering of the unborn baby. However, abortion is murder no matter what stage it is carried out. There is no arguing against the fact that what is being aborted is a prospective human being: who is to know who it is that will not be born. We have become a selfish race and it is easy to imagine that we are getting away with it, but we are not: we are paying the price.
It seems that we will have learn the hard way, and no matter how loud the voice of the few may shout out against the horrors of self indulgence, the masses will demand their quick fix remedies regardless of the consequences.
I can see the development of a brave new world some time in the future, but it will only come about through hard lessons being learnt. Look at the horrors of the past which has made possible the progress and understanding we have today: but it's a long road which lies ahead and God be with us for we know not what we do (yet).

26 May 2008 at 11:33  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Thank you for posting this Your Grace. It has the ring of truth, especially as the usual suspects are involved.

I note from the MOS account that Harman hotly denies it. But it does not get around the fact that 80% of NuLabour voted against Nadine Dorries and 86% of Conservatives voted for her amendment.

So whatever happened, it shows that NuLabour are antipathetic to Christian principles and your points still stand.

But if the intimidation did occur, it emphasises the integrity of those who were able to run the gauntlet of the nu-labour wimmin, and to vote for Dorries amendments. They will be the saviours of the true labour party after (hopefully) the utilitarians have been thrown into the dustbin of history.

I shall be sending this link to all my prolife supporter friends, who are of many religious denominations.

26 May 2008 at 12:15  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

The deadness of Harmans eyes belies the deadness of her soul.

26 May 2008 at 12:23  
Anonymous Sir Henry Morgan said...

If I had been a voter, I'd have voted as follows:

Hybrids - no
Fatherless babies - no
Abortion limit - leave as is

If, as Mackenzie claims, abortion is murder, then so be it. Indeed, had I the power to do so, I'd ensure that all new-born babies had to survive their first week with no medical intervention whatsoever - parental care only.

I do not consider human life to be sacred. If it is sacred, why does everyone die? And why do we put so many resources into keeping alive people who are already beyond their natural point of death? When I can no longer feed myself, or wipe my own backside, then I think it's time to die.

Fear death and you have to live through the anguish repeatedly in your head - and the anguish is the hardest part. Despise it and you only die once. I believe that all this fuss over human life being sacred is people expressing their own fear ... as is faith that there's life after death.

A little helping hand to assist me peacefully on my way would be welcome, however. A "natural" death is rarely merciful, and doing it yourself can be messy if you are incompetent and have no access to the appropriate drugs.

Then again, I am an atheist. I still don't like what Harman and "the sisterhood" did and do though. Maybe because I don't like either in the first place? Maybe.

26 May 2008 at 12:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The post puffs too much. It seems all that happened is that some feminist MP's told some timid men that they wanted them to vote a certain way. What's wrong with that? Of course, if the men surrendered their principles lest they be nagged, that is a shame.

26 May 2008 at 14:10  
Anonymous silence of the lambs said...

sir henry morgan, come to my house and I will teach you how to fear death. You will leave without your hapless life and see the energy vibrating from everything with your new one. I will of course leave one eye for this purpose.

26 May 2008 at 14:51  
Anonymous Terry said...

absolutely right Cranmer but this has been obvious for many years now - the current govt has been awful for Christians, and we are having to fight to retain our freedoms under it in a way we have never had to do with any other govt

26 May 2008 at 15:02  
Anonymous Sir Henry Morgan said...

Silence of the lambs - if you think you could.

26 May 2008 at 15:55  
Blogger BrianSJ said...

Great picture.
"If looks could kill".
It seems they can.

26 May 2008 at 16:04  
Anonymous Jenny said...

Everybody has noticed the bossy-cow 'stand here' finger, yes? It's to the right of the picture.

One hand on hip, other demanding compliance. Some sisterhood - more like a coven.

I might only be 24, but I'm tired of feminism. It didn't get us equality of opportunity, it obtained the equal right for women to be prejudiced against men. Not what I call success. Roll on the day all the dinosaurs are dead, and we can have a properly enlightened feminism.

Someone told me this week that 'lady' is now politically incorrect and 'woman' is the new 'lady'. I wish to remain a lady please!

26 May 2008 at 17:19  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Yes Jenny - and the finger is pointing down! On your knees,churl!

It is such a damning picture indicating all that is wrong with nu-labour that part of me wonders whether it was electronically contrived by the MOS. Perhaps his Grace can reassure us otherwise. (Though Harman has so far not complained about it, so this must speak volumes)

Who is the gentleman being browbeaten? Somebody's MP perhaps? If so which way did he vote?

26 May 2008 at 17:48  
Anonymous John said...

Your grace, is this the correct form of address ?

Christianity, any flavour, is not alone in its abhorrence to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill, an atheist, I asked my MP to lodge my opposition to this bill, he is a government whip so didn't deign to reply.

In Nietzsche, John ap Eifion

26 May 2008 at 18:45  
Anonymous billy said...

The problem is, Your Grace, that I have lived through old Etonian run governments before and they did nothing for me or mine.
The Thatcher and Major years were when I thought that somebody was in charge who understood my needs.
I like my Labour MP, he is a very good constituency MP, a hard working man but I don't think I can vote for the Scots cabal that new labour is.

Time for a protest vote unless I see significant changes in the next two years.

26 May 2008 at 19:39  
Anonymous hear o israel said...

your grace
i find it amazing that already the forgetfulness that is inherant in new labour , modes of operation has aflicted some bloggers on here !!.

i say this as , as far as i know this is the first time a matter that has always been one of conscience has been whipped.

i am no fan of david steel but despite what some see as thatchers tyranny (to others it was 20 yrs of propserity that would not otherwise have occured), she did not disrect the houses in the way that ms harman and the other whippers did.

i am saddened by how weak the once great methodist core of labour has become , there voices becoming an irrelevent frustration to the up and commers . "so what" or "so weak" seem to be applicable by the same man as regards matters of concience or even voter freedom .

by the time some people wake up to what nu labour have done to democracy , when it is held up against the light and history , of what many of the inhabitants of westminister hall and the lords who have strived to seek the truth and do good , the feelings of humiliation and cheating will be intense.

26 May 2008 at 20:47  
Anonymous Justine said...


I know that the majority of Conservative MPs voted against the controversial clauses of the HFE bill but, correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t Cameron vote for human/animal hybrids? Where would you say that puts the Tory leader as far as Christian morality is concerned?

As for those women Labour MPs who debated to keep the 24 week limit under the guise of a woman's right to "choose," they did so not because they were defending vulnerable women who may need an abortion – that right already exists in law in cases of severely handicapped foetuses and when the woman's life is in danger - but because they were determined to make a political point. They perceived a cut in the limit to 22 or 20 weeks as a threat to their entrenched positions hence the false criteria of “viability” became a paramount factor of the debate. They would rather continue sacrificing the lives of healthy unborn children rather than cede an inch. For them 200,000 abortions a year are not a cause for shame because the “rights” of women are protected. For them this is a fight to the death – literally.

26 May 2008 at 21:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


To me it is self evident that all sensible free thinking people are small c conservatives. Whether that means therefore they should support or vote for any Conservative administration never mind one lead by an establishment stooge such as Cameron is another thing entirely.

I believe it would generally be a wise thing to do, because literally anything is better then a self proclaimed socialist Party, but thats not the point.

We have an agenda being promoted by so called radical politicians of all political parties and it is not a nice or essentially as we understand a Christian agenda, in anyway shape or form.

It is a ruling class clearly fascist agenda designed to control the world though the use of, fear, starvation, wars, money, technology, science and mind control propaganda. The debasement of human life itself by The H.E. Act, being an important but relatively insignificant part of this agenda.

Our ruling elites wish to reduce the population of this planet by up to 50% over the next 10-20 years. In some parts of the world this has already been achieved though the use of created disease, and deliberately planned and financed genocide.

Soon this will become as obvious to you all as it is to myself. By then as it is now, it will be too late to do anything about it. I only mention it at all because I feel I have a moral duty to my gods to tell/warn people of what I am 100% sure is taking place.

My advice is to not PANIC. This world never was a nice place to live in anyway for the vast majority of human beings born unto it. Although it can be very lovely to look at sometimes, so please try to make the best out of the few short years some of you may have left to enjoy it.

Atlas shrugged

27 May 2008 at 01:22  
Anonymous Sam Veller said...

Christians should think about supporting the only Party that would revitalize Christianity in the UK: the new Libertarian Party.

27 May 2008 at 04:06  
Blogger Tomrat said...

Your Grace,

Remember the justice visited on the land of Israel for the sin of molech worship and ask yourself, in the past few decades that abortion has been legal, have we not been seeing this? Devolution, segregation at the point of a sword, and the taking of our peoples into modern day babylon - the EU.

27 May 2008 at 09:39  
Anonymous Wannabe Anglican said...

Looks like Hitler won after all, thanks to Labour. Harriet's Feminazi shock troops have succeeded in furthering murder and ghoulish medical experimentation. Mengele would be proud.

27 May 2008 at 13:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the wilted rose:

Has 24 weeks got anything to do with the collapse of the Labour vote in Crewe?

It is now clear that the Labour vote has collapsed in Crewe, and a large section of it switched to the Conservatives, in a massive 17.6% swing.

A lot has been said about Northern Wreck, the 10p tax rate, and other Labour mistakes.

But a few evenings ago almost the entire parliamentary Labour Party (apart from a few decent Labour MPs, such as Ruth Kelly, MP for another North West constituency, Bolton West, with about a 2,000 majority) voted to maintain the current 24 week limit of abortion. The timing was ludicrous.

Crewe has a long history of immigration from Irish people to work in the railways, and thus a large Catholic population. (The most recent Catholic immigrant group, the Poles, were disenfranchised from voting in Crewe, although they can vote in local and European elections.)

I spoke to a few Catholics in Crewe who were appalled by the abortion vote and were switching from Labour, for the first time, to the Conservatives. There were no doubt many others, as well as some who did not turn out to vote, for various reasons - but the last straw was the abortion vote. Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor has bravely said that Labour must not take the Catholic vote for granted. Cardinal Murphy-O’Connor is a man that I (yes, I, an Ulster Protestant) admire for his bravery on the abortion issue.

Let’s hope that Labour has lost the Catholic vote for good. Part of the huge swing from Lab to Con in Crewe is evidence of that.

27 May 2008 at 13:57  
Anonymous Gladiatrix said...

It should be pointed out that MPs on all sides of the House have stated that they did not see the alleged 'corridor' formed supposedly by some pro-life MPs. There appears to be serious doubt as to the veracity of this allegation. It also does not help that Ms Dorries, as has been shown on both the Guido Fawkes and Devil's Kitchen sites is not an entirely reliable proponent.

27 May 2008 at 21:24  
Blogger Chris Paul said...

Your grace, would your profound condemnations also apply to the whipping campaign waged by the lifelong fibster and recent Churchian convert Nadine Dorries?

Otherwise it would seem that your grace is allowing organisation and passion on one side of the debate (albeit that less blessed with the flame of truth) while decrying it on the other.

28 May 2008 at 18:42  
Anonymous i spy strangers said...

Ah, I must have misheard - it was a "Government of all the TALONS".

29 May 2008 at 14:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New labour has pushed through some of the most anti-christian policies of any government.
Any party that advocates the murder of defenceless infants(abortion) will ultimately answer to God.
I will never, as a christian vote labour again!

8 June 2008 at 09:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After watching parliment debating the fertilisation and embryology bill I was angered mostly at those self confident lofty labour M.Ps and some liberals that I will possibly, probably vote conservative against my own natural inclination. I am also thinking of dropping my political fee through the union.

21 September 2008 at 23:01  
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