Thursday, June 12, 2008

Ireland decides as Lords reject EU referendum

Cranmer is fasting today. He shall be praying too, fervently, for the British political system is dysfunctional and debased, and it is now for Ireland to save Europe from herself.

While the media focused on the knife-edged vote on 42-day detention without charge - which the Government only won with the bizarre support of the erstwhile principled DUP – the Lords Temporal and Spiritual were consigning a thousand years of British sovereignty to the dustbin, choosing to reject holding a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

The Conservative Party insisted that the treaty was essentially the Constitution in disguise, a referendum was promised by all major parties, and the Lords ought to honour that promise.

Labour and Liberal Democrats said it was not needed as the treaty would not alter the UK's own constitution. But the behaviour of the Liberal Democrats on this matter shows this party for what it is – a ragbag collection of unprincipled, inconsistent, duplicitous liars. In 2005, their manifesto promised a referendum; in January 2008, they abstain on a referendum in the House of Commons; in May 2008, they vote against a referendum in the House of Lords.

And so the Government won - by 280 to 218. And the way is now clear for the bill ratifying the Treaty of Lisbon to become law next week.

Notwithstanding the noble but doomed efforts of Stuart Wheeler, only Ireland can now hinder the inexorable path to greater European integration, an EU presidency, a global diplomatic service, and the abolition of a host of national vetoes.

God bless Sinn Féin.


Blogger Bob said...

While I don't share your prayer for Sinn Féin (with tongue firmly in cheek, I suspect), I thought you'd be glad to know that you can count on one 'No' vote, which I've just returned from casting.

It will be an interesting day as this has easily been the most viciously fought campaign that I can ever remember. What has been enlightening is the number of threats issued by the Yes side - about how Ireland will be ostracised if a no vote is returned, about how jobs will be lost, the economy ruined... Apparently voting 'No' is potentially one of the signs of the apocalypse.

The only difficulty with voting 'No' is the bedfellows that are foisted upon you - Sinn Féin, a rag tag of Green Party members (the Green Party held a conference at which they decided to hold no opinion on the referendum, which enables their ministers in government to support it, and most everyone else in the party to oppose it), Tony Benn (who performed rather well against the Minister for Finance in a radio debate on the subject). It was certainly an eclectic bunch.

12 June 2008 at 08:44  
Blogger Tomrat said...

Do not believe for one minute your Grace that the Tory's represent true opponents to this present darkness that the EU represents - they are as slimy as the Lib Dems or Labour when they want to be and just as evasive with their views on the EU.

You need only look at Guido's recent expose or EU Referendum's opinion on the Tory fast and loose version of the truth as to where they stand on the EU.

If you prefer here is a personal account - my mother, a blue-blooded tory for as long as I can remember went to a party gathering last year where the keynote speaker was William Hague - she told me this before hand asking if there was anything I would like to field as a question so I in turn posed the question to DK, hoping for a more eloquent and pointed question than I could muster. His question to Mr. Hague was what would the Tory whips do if it came down to a vote for a referrendum to stay in Europe - would they allow a free vote of conscious on this subject or force through the party line of giving the people a vote?

The answer was a free vote - thus they would be willing to give their party whilst in power the ability to prevent the British people, remembering this was a campaign promise, the ability to say no to their electorate.

Not the actions of a party for the people that Cameron would like to come across is it?

My prayers will be with yours today though, Your Grace.

12 June 2008 at 09:39  
Blogger Paul said...

Why do you think the DUP vote was bizarre?

(E.g. I just heard Willie Frazer -- the "victims' campaigner" -- being interviewed and he said he wished that it had been introduced to Ulster long ago, because it might have saved lives. And the UUP voted for it as well.)

Rev. William McCrea said that the decision was taken based on people's safety. I'm not a big fan of the DUP these days, but he's the one member I absolutely trust to be sincere.

Or perhaps they indicated that they wouldn't vote yes? What is it that has offended you?

12 June 2008 at 10:00  
Anonymous oiznop said...

There is a whiff of something! The DUP supporting Labour? Not when the Doctor was leader!!!

12 June 2008 at 11:01  
Anonymous WalterBoswell said...

"God bless Sinn Féin."

Careful Now and down with that sort of thing.

I am minutes away from leaving my humble abode to make for a nearby convent where I, like the political opponents of above mentioned Knee Capping Nationalists, shall vote a hearty and proud NO.

12 June 2008 at 11:35  
Anonymous WalterBoswell said...

Average turnout to voting stations so far - 12.5%

Personally speaking I cannot see the overall turnout rising above 38% by 10pm tonight.

A victory for the No Camp is looking likely.

12 June 2008 at 13:50  
Blogger Melancholicus said...

His Grace's remark 'God bless Sinn Féin' was doubtless prompted by the fact that this party is the only one with representation in the Dáil advocating a No vote. All other parties are urging the electorate, in a somewhat vehement and desperate (not to say threatening) manner, to vote Yes.

This Irishman has not yet voted, but when he does so in a few hours' time, his vote shall be a most decided No.

One hopes that your Grace's fasting this day shall not be in vain.

12 June 2008 at 15:22  
Anonymous hear o israel said...

i simply did not vote for this , its sneaky and odious ,association yes , but on clear terms .

this is all very murky

12 June 2008 at 16:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I'm from Germany and would like to ask you to vote NO for me (my government doesn't want to take my opinion in consideration) because:

1) The treaty is too difficult to read for un ordinary european citizen and even your prime minister admitted not having read it!

2) But most importantly, the german government and now even the french government don't want a referendum because they know their people will vote against it! One couldn't have no less consideration for his customers (voters)! The governments should take into consideration the opinions of their voters!

I'm in principle not against Europe but not the some following the Lisbon treaty.

The euro currency is in principle a good thing but many prices doubled shortly after the introduction of the euro bills and coins in Germany and the government didn't do anything against it. Normally the market should fix the prices but sometimes exceptional situations require exceptional mesures.

Thank you in advance,


12 June 2008 at 19:24  

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