Friday, July 04, 2008

Schoolboys given detention for refusing to worship Allah

Kneeling and praying is worship. In the United Kingdom, and in the rest of the free world, one is free to worship or not as one pleases. But not, according to The Daily Mail, in Alsager High School, Stoke-on-Trent. Here, under the guise of RE, the youngest and most vulnerable are obliged to participate in ‘practical demonstration’ of kneeling and praying to Allah. The article says they are forced to wear ‘traditional Muslim headgear’, and they are obliged to recite in Arabic the Shahada – the declaration of faith which proclaims there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet.

Apparently, two schoolboys refused to do this, and so were imprisoned against their will given a detention by their zealous teacher for being ‘disrespectful’.


It is difficult to discern, from the statement of the deputy headmaster, precisely what has transpired here, and Cranmer does not doubt the capacity of The Daily Mail to slightly exaggerate here and there. The deputy head refers to many staff being away (which presumably, since he was not available to comment, includes the headmaster), and he feebly states that he has no idea if such coercion is part of the curriculum or not because, he says, ‘I’m not an RE teacher, I am an English teacher.’ One might think he ought to have a little more grasp of the curriculum beyond the narrow confines of his subject specialism.

Of course, no teacher would oblige Muslim pupils to recite the Lord’s Prayer or to cross themselves, and if they did they would probably be dismissed. RE is supposed to educate children about religion, not induct them into acts of collective worship. The emphasis, by statute, has to be Christian in order to reflect the dominant culture and traditions of the country.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights defines freedom of religion and belief as follows: 'Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance.'

This must a fortiori include the right to not manifest a religion in worship.

But Cranmer is not sure what these parents are so irritated about. The 1944 Education Act and the 1988 Education Reform Act both grant parents permission to withdraw their children altogether not only from RE but also from the daily act of collective worship. They should simply do this forthwith, which will then oblige the school to sort out alternative provision.


Blogger Gallimaufry said...

Please correct me if I am wrong but isn't recitation of the shahada sufficient to convert to islam. Did the RE teacher actually force those children to become muslims? It's an important detail because of the penalty for apostasy.

4 July 2008 at 15:29  
Blogger John M Ward said...


I do hop;e this wasn't really an attempt to force children into even a one-off "demonstration" of a particular religion's practices against their will.

As you well know, Your Grace, God made us the way we are, with free will, quite deliberately. He isn't in the business of making programmable robots, and gently offers Himself and His ways to us -- and for our benefit.

It is not for men to overrule God (though I do realise that this often doesn't stop them trying!) in any way;. The attitude of many with an apparent agenda to push the particular faith you cite here is something about which I (and millions of others in Britain, I suspect) am very concerned.

I have written quite bullishly on this general topic of imposition myself in recent times (including my article earlier this year to which I posted a link here at the time) and intend to continue to do so while there is need. It's a case of cause-and-effect, I suppose...

If it should turn out that the Daily Mail was in fact correct, then this incident needs to be a launch-point for a nationwide awareness campaign to counter such activities, and indeed to ensure there is legal protection for our children against such things as this.

4 July 2008 at 15:35  
Anonymous Stonemason said...

Cheshire County Council have stated ......

"Educating children in the beliefs of different faith is part of the diversity curriculum on the basis that knowledge is essential to understanding. We accept that such teaching is to be conducted with some sense of sensitivity"

Begs the question "Is it really necessary to teach 11 and 12 year old children about Islam, or any other faith that is not Christianity". We are after all, a Christian country.

Would the children be taught about Christianity in a Saudi Arabian school?

4 July 2008 at 16:50  
Anonymous Lycurgus said...

Unbelievable - I should like to know the name of this RE teacher, mainly for the purposes of writing a quick note expressing my mild irritation at his silly actions.

4 July 2008 at 17:30  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

gallimaufry ... regarding the Shahada.

If one recites the Shahada in the presence of two Muslim witnesses, then one essentially becomes Muslim. The Shahada is the first of four "pillars" by which Muslims must abide.

The Shahada rule will only apply to adults, although I am uncertain of the actual minimum age w.r.t. entering Islam. If the children concerned are under 12 years, then I am reasonably confident the Shahada would not apply. Even so, I completely fail to understand why anyone would want to force British children to kneel to a foreign god, unless they first hated our country and all its indigenous inhabitants.

Please keep in mind that all pious Muslims truly believe everybody is born Muslim, but that we then turn our backs on Islam by following another faith. Therefore, by reciting the Shehada you are ... in the eyes of Muslims ... REVERTING to Islam.

The persons responsible for forcing vulnerable English/British children to utter such foreign words need to be hunted down, sacked, and put in prison. There should be ZERO tolerance for such people. They need to be put on notice ... there will be no viable future for them.

If a New Labour government agency or NGO is behind this, then they also need to be exposed with an eye to bringing each one to justice. Their names shall be recorded and justice will catch up with them at the appropriate time.

I don't quite know exactly who is running Britain right now, but he/she is clearly nuts, insane, and depraved, and needs to be opposed by every right-minded man and woman in Britain today. Something rather more serious than "writing to the Editor" is now required. There are some very perverse people messing around with British schools and who take delight in forcing "social engineering" theology upon unsuspecting people ... indeed I would say they are extremely perverse.

In short, they are Fascists.

Stonemason ... I have spent several years in Saudi Arabia. When you enter Saudi Arabia ALL your luggage is comprehensively searched. They use a sticker system (it used to be chalk) to ensure no bags escape scrutiny. Your bags are inspected a second time to ensure each has the sticker (previously chalk mark) somewhere on the bag/case. Even if the bag has already been inspected (rifled) if any do not have an official sticker/mark you are obliged to do a U-turn and start the process all over again.

Bibles are summarily confiscated, as are St. Christophers, Crucifixes, and any other Christian iconry. Most are disposed of. They don't usually offer a receipt so you can claim them back when you depart. If you have the misfortune of dying there, a sack of potatoes might receive more respectful treatment than your infidel corpse.

4 July 2008 at 17:35  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

Erratum ... Shahada is followed by the Four Pillars.

4 July 2008 at 17:37  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

The social contract is dead in this country.

"Something rather more serious than "writing to the Editor" is now required."

But what?

4 July 2008 at 18:08  
Anonymous najistani said...

Role play is a favourite method of Da'wa (Muslim propaganda) in schools and has been going on in a low key way for some years, both here and in the States. It is to be hoped that the publicity surrounding this example of coercive Satanic abuse will bring this practice of classroom demonolatry to the attention of the public. .

4 July 2008 at 18:23  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

I have a healthy respect for the law. I once had an ambition to be a dentist. I have one helluva fucking temper and this I am afraid to say would combine my dentistry ambitions with total lack of self control, resulting in sudden and traumatic dental fucking surgery.

4 July 2008 at 18:36  
Anonymous irenelancaster said...

Teaching about is not forcing to do.

4 July 2008 at 19:16  
Anonymous Sir Henry Morgan said...


Requiring to do, even politely requesting to do, with punishment for non-compliance, IS forcing to do.

In anyone's language or country.

4 July 2008 at 19:37  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

And why do they teach this anyway?

Here's my little theory: In reality the multi-culti's who desire us to participate in the prayer ritual of another religion have no concern whatsoever about God. And I can prove this, if you say to a multi-culti "Sorry, I wont say the Shahada, it will displease God ("None may come to the father but by me"), the multi-culti will reply that that is preposterous bigotry on your part.

Which forces you to either

A. Become a pariah and suffer a sever loss of social standing.

B. Abnegate yourself before mankind (i.e. the Other)

The most important thing about these "multi-religious" prayers in parliament and in schools etc is not God at all. The intention is to switch to the worship of mankind, to make mankind--not God--your point of reference in life.

Do you all understand? (i ask that question because I want to be understood)

4 July 2008 at 21:38  
Anonymous Rebel Saint said...

I am a Christian youth & children's worker. I consider it a real privilege & honour to be able to visit local primary schools to lead acts of Collective Worship (AKA "assemblies"!). I live in Bradford, so you can imagine the religious & ethnic mix in many of the schools!

If I include a song or finish with a prayer I address all the children by saying something along-the-lines of, "If you don't want to join in then simply listen respectfully, just as you would expect others to do for you."

I now realise I have a mandate for saying, "You better join in or you'll stay behind until you do". I'm sure this line will be understood and welcomed by all sections of the community!!

4 July 2008 at 23:37  
Blogger Didactophobe said...

I have posted about this in my own humble blog. Assuming that the story is true, this school is not following accepted practice in the teaching of RE and parents are entitled to protest and to withdraw their children from RE lessons.

It is risible for a Deputy Head Teacher to claim ignorance of his school's curriculum: he is paid more than an ordinary teacher because he is expected to take responsibility beyond the confines of his own subject. Again, this is assuming that he has been quoted correctly.

A final point which I have made on my own blog, is to point out that the only political party which appears to have picked up the story is the BNP. It is tragic when only those who seek to divide society are prepared to get involved.

5 July 2008 at 00:42  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Isn't this how Islam "converted" North Africa, Syria, Egypt and Byzantium from Christianity ?

Force backed by threat of dire is after all an Ideology of Terror

5 July 2008 at 06:49  
Blogger Mission Impossible said...

didactaphobe ... it is all too easy to attach misguided or malicious labels to people or organizations you do not understand. I have no formal political affiliations, but I am quite certain the BNP are NOT a divisive influence in Britain; unless opposing "Third Way Fascism" qualifies you as divisive. As best as I can tell, the BNP are making a brave attempt to unify the British people around a renewed sense of nationalism ... the renewal of a healthy nationalism and self-identity which has been under sustained attack (by Internationalists) since the late 1940s.

You do not seem to understand what "left wing" and "right wing" actually mean; and by inference, neither would you understand what fascism is. I will admit, I have also suffered from that problem.


Please take the time and trouble to read this book: "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg, Doubleday, 2007.

By page 120 it is likely you will have concluded this is one of the most important books you have ever read.


It is a truly informative and well written book. It explains how, why, and where fascism arose during the 20th century, and who its mentors were. This book will clear up your misconceptions of what the BNP actually mean today (although they have nothing to do with the book). From the British perspective, the philosophically authentic FASCISTS are NEW LABOUR. Read the book and you will understand why.

A few months ago, the BNP website posted an article, with photographic proof, of circa 14 year old, white English schoolboys dressed as Muslims and taking part in a Muslim prayer. If I remember correctly, this was a school trip organized to visit a local mosque in YEOVIL, Somerset. We should give credit where credit is due.

najistani ... is entirely correct (thank you naj) when he points out this kind of stunt has already been pulled in the USA (notably California). Here is an article from 2004, describing an incident very similar to the one in Wakefield, Yorkshire, which took place in the US state of Virginia.

You will note that in the Wakefield case, yet again, the useful idiot was a white English woman --- deputy head Helen Green. It is important you try to understand the degree to which the minds of our native womenfolk have been poisoned by all these various left-wing "-isms." It is a fact that the Diversity Industry is dominated by white women.

The Diversity Industry is big business in American today, as it is in Canada and Australia also.

The interesting thing is that their are no Islamic organizations that network across the western world. Al-Qaeda is largely an invention of the Neocons (i.e., Jews in Washington), US State Department, and the CIA. It is part of their smoke & mirrors policy rendered necessary to fool people into thinking 19 Arabs actually toppled two steel-framed sky-scrapers with one jet airliner each, even though these aircraft were of unequal size and smashed into the top third of each building. The Jewish conspirators, with the madmen Bush and Cheney appointed as public manipulators, are relying on your emotions overcoming your intellect. Unfortunately, that is how most people in the world react, first and foremost: reptilian brain first, followed by mammalian brain, and only then the higher cerebral cortex.

Anyone with a basic education in physics and mechanics, and who spends a few hours examining the contrary evidence will realize that 9-11 was a criminal hoax.

For this reason alone, we should hesitate before demonizing Muslims for what has been going on in the West, vis-a-viz the encroachment of Islam into our culture and daily lives. The Muslims do NOT have any organizations capable of influencing our government agencies to change our RE and educational curriculum. Especially, they do not have the capacity to coordinate similar subversions across the USA, Canada, Britain, and Australia at the same time. The concurrent nature of these subversions is very telling. The only group who has both the national and international network in place to make such a thing happen are the Jews.

Nowhere in the Qu'ran will you find exhortations to Muslims to destroy Christianity or Christians. Most of its anger is aimed at the Infidel, which could mean pagans, Christians, and/or Jews. As we know, the Qu'ran does contain a lot of venom against Jews.

But, interestingly, if you read the Jewish Talmud, it is full of hatred specifically towards Jesus, Christians and Christendom. Indeed, the objective of every Talmudic Jew is to destroy Christianity, by whatever means. Communism is International Judaism by another name. Communism has led directly to all the other poisonous "-isms" that have blighted our culture for about 100 years. The Diversity ethic springs directly from Communistic ideals and from the the theories of Franz Boas: the Jewish-American father of so-called "modern" anthropology. Unfortunately for his believers, more and more sceptics are waking up to the fact he was in fact a charlatan and that his anthropological theories (that magically took root in American academe) were based on fraudulent studies of some remote tribe in Samoa or New Caledonia.

What Boas and his acolytes attempted to do is prove that race, language, and culture are independent. In fact, what he and his Jewish immigrant contemporaries of that time were really attempting to do is re-make the United States into a fit place for Jews to dominate and take over. Amongst others, he was greatly helped by two stupid white women students of his, who undertook shallow anthropological studies before publishing "landmark" works that continue to influence (i.e., poison) our culture today: Margaret Mead with her Coming of Age in Samoa and Ruth Benedict's Patterns of Culture (1934).

Because of Franz Boas and his little coterie of silly American women, it was no longer possible to say that any given race was inferior, incapable of the highest culture humanity had to offer, and still be taken seriously. Well I beg to differ, and I am sure many of you would want to too!

As I keep trying to remind you all, the time has come to stop reacting to the headlines and to start digging deeper. I can assure you, you will quickly start to find evidence that has been deliberately kept hidden from the vast majority of us. Talmudic Jews haven't got an honest leg to stand on. Only a modest effort is required to cause their whole self-serving house of cards to tumble to the ground. This is presumably why they are trying, with increasing desperation, to work a political angle to invade Iran and using dumb 'Amerikans' as pawns and 'mercenaries.'

5 July 2008 at 07:40  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

This story is also in the Telegraph this morning and names the teacher.

Well done those two schoolboys who stood up to the multi-culti agenda(a good expression O Homophobic Horse!).

In the same newspaper Shahid Malik, a Minister for International Development, complains about a growing culture of hostility to Muslims.

It doesn't take a brain the size of a planet to understand why.

5 July 2008 at 09:30  
Blogger Miss Snuffleupagus said...

How extraordinary. Every school has a few crazy teachers. And those of us in charge of them just live in hope that they won't do something so crazy that it results in exactly this: bringing the school into disrepute.

All they can do now is stay quiet, which is what they are doing, and wait until it passes. And presumably they'll tell the teacher to stop this nonsense. This certainly isn't typical of schools.

5 July 2008 at 12:24  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

"Well done those two schoolboys who stood up to the multi-culti agenda(a good expression O Homophobic Horse!). "

Multi-culti is a cult of ignorance. It doesn't require you to know anything, except being "open" and "tolerant".

There was another famous man who was "open" and "tolerant." His name was JIM JONES. He participated in new-age rituals and spiritualism in the early 1950's and then began to think he was the reincarnation of Buddha, Lenin, and Jesus. By the end of his life he though he was in contact with "discarnate extra-terrestrial entities" i.e. demons.

When you give yourself over to a vague idea of "tolerance" and "openness" the demons get in and begin to act. The complete irrationality displayed in the arrest of the makers of "Undercover Mosque" is a dark sign of the times.

5 July 2008 at 14:31  
Blogger Malthebof said...

It is always Islam why? Never Judaism or Buddism. Are they taught about the original religeon of Britain, Heathenism?

5 July 2008 at 15:46  
Anonymous some english bloke said...

Daily Telegraph

"The teacher, ALISON PHILLIPS, the school's subject leader in RE, is understood to be staying away from the school until the furore dies down "

Just a stupid woman rightly keeping her head down; in other cirumstances ( 'Priest forces Muslim boys to pray for Jesus' ) she would be being hounded for abusing these children.
Instead we get the cringe-inducing

"Cheshire County Council said they were investigating. He added:
"Educating children in the beliefs of different faiths is part of Cheshire's diversity curriculum...
We accept that such teaching has to be conducted with commonsense and sensitivity.


SEB. What we should be reading is " This criminally foolish woman has gone too far in her zealous following of right-on political correctness. In abusing her pupils by forcing them to adopt religeous practises other than their own she has shown contempt for their rights and will duly be condemned and placed on The Register of those unfit to work with children and other vulnerable groups".

5 July 2008 at 23:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ultramontane grumpy old catholic, I think that you will find that the droll expression 'multi culti' has been in use for several years now by the political party evidently favoured by a significant number of His Grace's communicants, the BNP. I imagine that Mr Nick Griffin invented the expression.

von Hayek

6 July 2008 at 02:28  
Anonymous woman on a raft said...


you will note that no Muslims appear to have acutally been involved here - only an exceptionally stupid and unsuitable teacher. This may be a reflection of the curious fact that RE is not a subject with a prescribed syllabus, unlike other subjects. There is much more scope for the RE teacher to make an utter bog of it - and often they do. The commonest mistake is to politicise the subject instead of teaching it as straight anthropology. In this case she happens to have made a hoo-ha about Islam, but with a genius like that she might easily have re-enacted a Buddhist/Communist military action in the playground and had the lot of them in casualty by playtime.

The woman should indeed seek other employment as we don't need her sort making relations any worse than they already are. To repeat: this was not done or commissioned by Muslims but by one stupid woman.

I'm not impressed with the response of the head or deputy head, either. This story is ultimately about the failure of some of our educators; it's not really about religion at all.

6 July 2008 at 10:39  
Anonymous some english bloke said...

Woman on a raft You are entirely correct to point out that, in this case and many others, the offence is committed not by Muslims but by self appointed 'sympathisers'; invariably guilt-laden white leftist/liberals who do more harm than good to those they claim to represent.

I will not be the only one to have spoken with everyday Muslims who express horror and distaste at the idea of we, the host community, abandoning the symbols and practises of our faith in deferrence to their supposed sensibilities. They see the attacks on our Christmas or Easter as an attack on religion in general and so disdain the attackers who seek to represent them.

These 'Muslim sympathisers' will be the same type as earlier "ban the bomb", Greenham Common groupies who know little of their cause but gain kudos from others of their ilk.
Sorry, rant over

Btw, mission impossibe
"It is a fact that the Diversity Industry is dominated by white women. "
Good point.

6 July 2008 at 18:01  
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