Saturday, September 27, 2008

Dominic Grieve: ‘The role of Christianity is really rather important’

These are the words of the Shadow Home Secretary on the eve of the Conservative Party Conference. And they are evidently not simply a vacuous statement of the blindingly obvious, for the context is an interview with The Guardian which talks of the ‘terrible legacy’ of British multiculturalism which ‘has allowed extremists to flourish’.

He talks of the ‘cultural despair’ felt by the indigenous population, and the alienation felt by immigrants as ‘UK values’ are no longer articulated, and so cannot be understood.

As Mr Grieve warned against downplaying Britain's Christian heritage, he said: "We've actually done something terrible to ourselves in Britain. In the name of trying to prepare people for some new multicultural society we've encouraged people, particularly the sort of long-term inhabitants, to say 'well your cultural background isn't really very important'."

And so multiculturalism has ‘created a vacuum’ and ‘encouraged support for extremists on both sides’.

He then specifies the Islamist terror group Hizb ut-Tahrir on the one hand, and the BNP on the other. It is a pity he did not take the opportunity to point out a crucial difference between these two obnoxious polarities. While both may be typified by a distasteful antipathy to some other, only one of these extremist groups despises democracy to the extent that it resorts to violence and murder to achieve its ends. Only one of these pours scorn upon ‘UK values’.

And so Mr Grieve offers an antidote, but this in itself may be perceived as ‘extremist’, for it is probably one which members of the BNP would accord. He says: “...the part played by Christianity in Britain should not be ignored. The role of Christianity is really rather important. It can't just be magicked out of the script. It colours many of the fundamental viewpoints of British people, including many who've never been in a church."

But this Christianity is Protestant - the foundation of the nation's liberties - and at the last General Election it was the Conservative Party’s policy to repeal the Act of Settlement which, it must be observed, many Roman Catholic tolerate because it ensures an expression of Christianity at the heart of government. An established semi-Protestant Church of England is better than no established church, even if it is a reminder of the concerns of a bygone era. But it is not so bygone for some inhabitants of the UK, yet this debate has been confined to Belfast or parts of Scotland.

The demands for repeal of the Act of Settlement (without consideration of the implications for the Act of Union and other great constitutional treaties) do not only come from New Labour and The Guardian; there is a movement within the Conservative Party to unravel the Christian foundations of the nation as well. So when Mr Grieve talks passionately about civil liberties or 'the role of Christianity’, Cranmer would like to know if Mr Grieve intends ignoring the particular brand of Christianity which guaranteed the nation's liberties and was enshrined by statute three centuries ago to ensure that the Supreme Governor of the Church of England would be Christian and Protestant 'for ever’. He would also like to know why Conservative opposition to the repeal of the blasphemy laws was principally left to prominent Roman Catholics and a non-practising Jew. The only member of the Church of England to speak from the Conservative benches was Gerald Howarth. Where was Mr Grieve’s Anglican conviction then? While Ann Widdecombe, Edward Leigh and Bill Cash fought tooth and claw for the retention of laws which relate specifically to the Church of England, Mr Grieve was mute. Does he believe such laws - which underpin the Christian foundations of the nation - to be obsolete and otiose?

While the Shadow Home Secretary may bemoan the gradual diminution or the systematic eradication of the nation's Christian heritage and identity, he offers no solutions, no policies for revival, no religio-political strategies for resurrection. We are beyond soothing and sympathetic words, and yet these usefully conceal his essential support for the EU world order and his advocacy of the ECHR mantra of 'rights' which is antithetical to any notion of Christendom.

We might all agree that ‘multiculturalism’ now belongs to a bygone era. But there is plainly inter and intra-party division on what expression of Christianity must be asserted. And even the word ‘asserted’ is fraught with difficulties, for the age demands ‘neutrality’ and ‘equality’ in the religious realm, and it is perfectly obvious to those who have eyes and ears that the maintenance of the Established Church or the propagation by government of the Christian faith can be neither of these.

17 Comments:

Blogger The Gentleman Loser said...

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27 September 2008 at 12:59  
Anonymous Bugs Bunny said...

Your Grace, it would be perfectly possible to repeal the Act of Settlement and disestablish the Church without endangering the UK's constitutional integrity. That same Act of Union united the Churches of England and Ireland into one established church. Gladstone disestablished the Church of Ireland in 1871 and it only served to strengthen the union. Irishmen had their grievances settled and turned to unionism in vast numbers. I predict that were the English Church to be disestablished the support for the SNP would radically diminish.

I do conceed that it is never likely to happen. As an Irish Catholic, my own preferred solution would be for the Church of England to be allowed become a sui juris constituent of the 'Roman' Catholic Church. After the Act of Settlement is repealed, we could hand back the three realms to whom they rightfully belong, the House of Stuart. Well, I can dream.

27 September 2008 at 13:22  
Blogger Miss Snuffleupagus said...

The BNP has never resorted to violence?

27 September 2008 at 14:08  
Anonymous the recusant said...

Miss Snuffleupagus

I believe what His Grace is implicitly referring to is violence which occasions bombs/guns etc, not the occasional punch up, and suspect well you know it. As objectionable as some of the BNP policies are they, are not quite the KKK and as I think there poll ratings show, can be safely ignored. I did enjoy your most excellent piece ‘Dear Mr Jasper’ and was reminded of it yesterday when Sky News did a piece which could have been authored by the man himself, well done.

27 September 2008 at 15:24  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

" The Guardian which talks of the ‘terrible legacy’ of British multiculturalism which ‘has allowed extremists to flourish’."

This is bogus. Multiculturalism is just liberalism with a different name. After all, in an "Open Society" we do not force our views on others. For this reason, we let the "minorities" do their own thing.

Compare this with Russia's non-multicultural approach to non-Orthodox religions etc

Crapipedia reports:

The Non-Multicultural Religious policy of Russia

"Baptists and members of other Protestant denominations, that have become active in Russia in the past decade claim that the state provides unfair support to the Orthodox Church and suppresses others, referring to the 1997 Russian law, under which those religious organizations that could not provide official proof of their existence for the preceding 15 years were seriously restricted in their rights and ability to worship. The law was formally presented as a way to combat destructive cults, but was condemned by representatives of other religions and human rights organizations as being written in a manner that explicitly favored the Russian Orthodox Church, as the Soviet Union had prohibited the establishment of other religions[citation needed]. Consequently, this law gave full rights only to a small number of "traditional" religions, such as Orthodox Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism."

Which is entirely appropriate if you wish to prevent sectarianism and division.

BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE LIBERAL.....

27 September 2008 at 15:49  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Thank God, at last! His Grace is in communion with angels, and his education and skills of articulation are being divinely guided. Thank you Lord!

27 September 2008 at 17:11  
Anonymous tomorrow belongs to mo said...

Are the Tories true patriots, or two-faced Muslim-appeasing dhimmis?

Cameron says there is no connection between Islam and terrorism and Britons need to integrate with Muslim values rather than vice versa: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/may/13/comment.communities

He is very much in favour of Turkish membership of the EU "The prospect of eventual Turkish membership is hugely important - not just for Turkey itself, but to demonstrate to the Muslim world that the EU is not an exclusive Christian club." http://www.europeanreform.eu/the-eu-a-new-agenda-for-the-21st-century/

And BoJo grovels in abject dhimmitude
http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/paper/index.php?article=3707

The Conservatives may have been the party of Churchill, but they were also the party of Chamberlain.

27 September 2008 at 17:55  
Anonymous Brita said...

Now we know how great Churchill was in preventing all this for so long! Maybe a comparison with Blair insults even Chamberlain - if he was too stupid to see the realities.

The present shower: well, I think they're all traitors; the danger being that the fact strikes them as irrelevant!

Johnson I can understand. His family and his marriage connect him to Islam. I've always liked him, but have also questioned my reponse to all that disarming charm and wit; and now...

But Cameron! Apparently he knows enough to keep a low profile. Otherwise he'd surely have challenged Brown more strongly, over the last few months.

I think, then, that Parliament and the Parties are no longer what we suppose them to be: rather they're a front for the euSSR. Now that Brown has coerced us into its power, the present 'discussions' merely distract us while the Unholy Empire increases its stranglehold.

So: the longer we wait for an 'election' - the longer they have to perfect their system for faking the results. Obviously they want to fool us peasants for as long as they can.

And no, the traitors don't know best just because they've been to our great universities: Marxists have been brainwashing students since circa the Laskis et al. Other factors that might have turned them.....?

The next few days will be interesting. I pray that everything I've said about fake Tories is proved wrong - but that if I'm right, God will show Christian Britain the way forward.

27 September 2008 at 22:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a strange time when a boorish fool like Brita knows better than anyone else the state of our realm and the evil that doth beseige it.

27 September 2008 at 23:21  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Psalm 49 (New King James Version

1 Hear this, all peoples;
Give ear, all inhabitants of the world,
2 Both low and high,
Rich and poor together.
3 My mouth shall speak wisdom,
And the meditation of my heart shall give understanding.
4 I will incline my ear to a proverb;
I will disclose my dark saying on the harp.

5 Why should I fear in the days of evil,
When the iniquity at my heels surrounds me?
6 Those who trust in their wealth
And boast in the multitude of their riches,
7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother,
Nor give to God a ransom for him—
8 For the redemption of their souls is costly,
And it shall cease forever—
9 That he should continue to live eternally,
And not see the Pit.

10 For he sees wise men die;
Likewise the fool and the senseless person perish,
And leave their wealth to others.
11 Their inner thought is that their houses will last forever,[a]
Their dwelling places to all generations;
They call their lands after their own names.
12 Nevertheless man, though in honor, does not remain;[b]
He is like the beasts that perish.

13 This is the way of those who are foolish,
And of their posterity who approve their sayings. Selah
14 Like sheep they are laid in the grave;
Death shall feed on them;
The upright shall have dominion over them in the morning;
And their beauty shall be consumed in the grave, far from their dwelling.
15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave,
For He shall receive me. Selah

16 Do not be afraid when one becomes rich,
When the glory of his house is increased;
17 For when he dies he shall carry nothing away;
His glory shall not descend after him.
18 Though while he lives he blesses himself
(For men will praise you when you do well for yourself),
19 He shall go to the generation of his fathers;
They shall never see light.
20 A man who is in honor, yet does not understand,
Is like the beasts that perish.

27 September 2008 at 23:28  
Blogger McKenzie said...

The lowly pay their taxes and have no say in the use thereof. No ballot box will yield any voice except one. The lowly pay their taxes. Yes please do inject 700bn of your sweet precious. Ouch!

27 September 2008 at 23:37  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Be still, my soul: the Lord is on thy side;
bear patiently the cross of grief or pain;
leave to thy God to order and provide;
in every change he faithful will remain.
Be still, my soul: thy best, thy heavenly Friend
through thorny ways leads to a joyful end.

Be still, my soul: thy God doth undertake
to guide the future as he has the past.
Thy hope, thy confidence let nothing shake;
all now mysterious shall be bright at last.
Be still, my soul: the waves and winds still know
his voice who ruled them while he dwelt below.

Be still, my soul: when dearest friends depart,
and all is darkened in the vale of tears,
then shalt thou better know his love, his heart,
who comes to soothe thy sorrow and thy fears.
Be still, my soul: thy Jesus can repay,
from his own fulness, all he takes away.

Be still, my soul: the hour is hastening on
when we shall be forever with the Lord,
when disappointment, grief and fear are gone,
sorrow forgot, love's purest joys restored,.
Be still, my soul: when change and tears are past,
all safe and blesséd we shall meet at last.

28 September 2008 at 01:11  
Anonymous a non mouse said...

Wonderful quotes, McKenzie - especially the last. Thank you.

28 September 2008 at 04:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Psalms 49

"He will uplift me from the grave,
And He will surely take me to Himself."

28 September 2008 at 09:37  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

They are all marxist scum whatever party they pretend to belong to,what could be clearer than to call the English people "long term inhabitants"it seems that the English people as far as the tri-partite traitors are concerned are just another tribe of white niggers with no more right to live in this eden that they have provided for us that the third world savages that have been encouraged to invade us,it is really time to clear ayway the filth that inhabit westminster and elect people that act in the interests of the indigenous ENGLISH people.

28 September 2008 at 09:38  
Blogger Fred Preuss said...

Please, trust me, separating church and state hasn't hurt Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Sweden, America, Wales,....
Why do you think it would be a disaster for you?
If 'backwards' countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy and France can do it, why can't England and Scotland?

3 October 2008 at 03:23  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

what are the Generals waiting for, the whites of their eyes.

Your Majesty, Generals, Kick the door in, what are you waiting for.

3 October 2008 at 12:53  

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