Thursday, October 23, 2008

More Catholics for Obama

Now they have a website, and since they constitute almost a quarter of the US voting population, they are and undoubted force to be reckoned with. In the ‘swing’ states such as Ohio or Florida, Catholic votes will actually make a difference.

But this website really does plunge the depths of hypocrisy. It says:

Is Barack Obama really pro-life? The answer is ‘yes.’ Looking through the lens of Catholic Social Teaching, Senator Obama has spent his entire career striving for the common good. He supports health care programs that will cover all Americans, a living wage for working families, and solutions that allow distressed families to stay in their homes.

It further claims that he will reduce the number of abortions by promoting health care for pregnant women and infant care.

Cranmer wonders if ‘abortion’ means something different in the US to what it means in the UK. For Barack Obama appears to have an excellent record of maximising the opportunity for murdering the unborn at every turn. He is an ‘abortion extremist’, and supports legislation which would have terminated many Americans who are alive and kicking today. Further, he has voted against infant resuscitation legislation and advocates the right to abort fully-developed babies up to nine months ‘for undefined health reasons’.

This does not sound very pro-life to Cranmer. In fact, as Archbishop Raymond Burke has stated, such policies risk transforming the Democratic Party ‘definitively into the party of death’.

Of course Senator McCain and Governor Palin are both staunchly opposed to these increasingly liberal abortion rights, and many Catholics will doubtless vote Republican because of this.

While Catholics are exhorted not to be single-issue voters, the faithful are manifestly divided on the matter of abortion above all others. Either they must take The Tablet, or else millions of them have already supped with the devil in the abortion clinics just as they are content to divorce, dispute the teachings of their church, or take issue with their Pope. Or perhaps they have simply been alienated by the paedophile scandals which have brought American Catholicism to the brink of bankruptcy.

The cry 'Catholics for Obama' is becoming as trendy as 'Conservatives for Obama'. Sadly, both will be profoundly disappointed, and both will rue the day they abandoned their convictions. They are both, in the words of Gerald Warner, 'ideology-free lemmings'.

24 Comments:

Anonymous Methodist for Obama said...

"This does not sound very pro-life to Cranmer. In fact, as Archbishop Raymond Burke has stated, such policies risk transforming the Democratic Party ‘definitively into the party of death’."

Perhaps many people have concluded that the current Republican party and it's warmongering president are the definitive party of death.

I don't know the detail of their differences on the abortion issue, but how many lives has Bush "terminated" in Iraq and Afghanistan?

While Catholics are exhorted not "to be single-issue voters" - looking at his Grace's last three posts, I would exhort him not to be single issue as well.

Personally, as a practicing Christian, I am praying for an Obama victory.

23 October 2008 at 10:49  
Blogger Obnoxio The Clown said...

I cannot for the life of me see how any British person who has seen the misery inflicted by a decade of Blairism can wish the same on any other country.

23 October 2008 at 10:56  
Blogger Cranmer said...

While Catholics are exhorted not "to be single-issue voters" - looking at his Grace's last three posts, I would exhort him not to be single issue as well.

Three posts could only constitute 'single issue' to a Methodist.

23 October 2008 at 11:03  
Anonymous the recusant said...

Catholics are not immune from making silly mistakes just like everyone else, after all Your Grace made a pretty big one some 500 or so years ago. That said see what other Catholics are quoting about Obama in the US, read Robert George's clear summary of Barack Obama's extremist pro abortion stance.
Pretty chilling stuff.
Jeff Miller, a.k.a the Curt Jester, opines here about people who are 'pro choice' and say, "But no one is pro abortion. Abortion is not nice, but it is better that it is legal...blah blah blah"
Robert George discusses this as well and asks what people would think if you said, "Well, Nobody is really pro-slavery, but given the economic situation it is better that people be given the right and the constitutional protection to have slaves."

23 October 2008 at 11:27  
Anonymous Methodist for Obama said...

Touché your Grace. Rest assured I shall look forward to his Grace's thoughts on the wide range of other issues he covers so well.

23 October 2008 at 12:10  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Methodist for Obama,

There are 31 months of archives for your political edification and spiritual enlightenment.

Enjoy

23 October 2008 at 12:50  
Blogger KJC402 said...

Dear Methodist Person,

Democrats need to stop it with the warmongering President rhetoric, unless they found a way to rehabilitate James K. Polk (Pro-Slavery, Democrat President of the United States that went to war with Mexico under dubious circumstances to facilitate annexation of territory with the purpose of the expansion of slavery and attempted to purchase Cuba with the intent of bringing it into the Union as another slave state and may have gone to War with Spain after it rejected his offer if he had more support in Congress).

More US servicemen have died during Democratic Presidencies than Republican. The one anomaly in this of course, is the US Civil War; my remedy for this is that I will put the 365,000 Union dead in the Republicans column and the 260,000 Confederate dead in the Democrats column considering that CSA president Jefferson Davis was an antebellum Democrat, thereby giving the Democrats an undeniable crushing victory in the Warmongering department. If it is non-combatant casualties we are talking about, you really don't want to go there, because that is even more lopsided.

I will leave you with a few thoughts.

The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (R) was a community organizer; George Wallace (D) was a Governor.

The "right" to an abortion is not mentioned anywhere in the US Constitution, therefore Roe v. Wade was an act of Judicial Activism and not an interpretation of the Constitution.

I have issues with John McCain, yet he has received my vote, because a vote for Obama is a vote for Socialism. For all of you who plan a protest vote for anyone else (Bob Barr), it is the same as voting for Obama (remember 1992 when the Perot vote got Clinton elected).

Don’t throw stones if your house is not made of tempered glass.

23 October 2008 at 16:05  
Blogger Agellius said...

Methodist for Obama writes, 'I don't know the detail of their differences on the abortion issue, but how many lives has Bush "terminated" in Iraq and Afghanistan?'

Far, far less than a million every year, I assure you.

23 October 2008 at 17:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obama is bosom pals with Saddleback Church leader Rick Warren, whose favorite slogan is 'all things to all people'. This is presumably why Obama is a muslim to the muslims and yet Christian to the Christians. Will the real Obama please stand up?

Strangely enough the word verification I am to type in to send in this comment, is the word 'sucks.' How oddly appropriate!

23 October 2008 at 17:42  
Anonymous Grieved said...

Methodist for Obama, please look up the statistics for yourself and compare the war deaths in Iraq (including civilians) to the abortion rate in the USA during the same period (statistics don't even include terminations by the RU486 pill which is why rates "appear" to decline). Also look at the number of murders under Saddam Hussein, since he'd still be there if we hadn't "invaded" Iraq. Saddam was one person representing many--they all had to be confronted lest another simply replace him for more of the same. Now, consider the chance for self-defense among the following: unborn babies, targets of Saddam, soldiers at war. Even civilians defend themselves to some degree. Why are you more riled about the war than about the murder of defenseless, unborn babies?

23 October 2008 at 17:56  
Anonymous Methodist for Obama said...

So many comments that I shall try to reply to.

kjc402 said
Democrats need to stop it with the warmongering President rhetoric, unless they found a way to rehabilitate James K. Polk (Pro-Slavery, Democrat President of the United States that went to war with Mexico under dubious circumstances to facilitate annexation of territory with the purpose of the expansion of slavery and attempted to purchase Cuba with the intent of bringing it into the Union as another slave state and may have gone to War with Spain after it rejected his offer if he had more support in Congress).

More US servicemen have died during Democratic Presidencies than Republican. The one anomaly in this of course, is the US Civil War; my remedy for this is that I will put the 365,000 Union dead in the Republicans column and the 260,000 Confederate dead in the Democrats column considering that CSA president Jefferson Davis was an antebellum Democrat, thereby giving the Democrats an undeniable crushing victory in the Warmongering department. If it is non-combatant casualties we are talking about, you really don't want to go there, because that is even more lopsided.

I feel that for those of us too young to remember the civil war (or even Vietnam), the civil war will not be very relevant. Their comparisons will be between the incumbent and the two main candidates to be his successor.


Obnoxio the clown said
I cannot for the life of me see how any British person who has seen the misery inflicted by a decade of Blairism can wish the same on any other country.

I cannot see why the Americans would want more of Bush, which to many people seems to be what McCain would be

grieved said
Why are you more riled about the war than about the murder of defenseless, unborn babies?

Primarily because I view abortion as a private matter for the individuals concerned. If, to quote the conclusion of his Grace's last but one post, abortion is "a fearful offence against God", then very well - those who offend God will be called upon to give an account of themselves when their time comes, as his Grace has alluded to previously.

In the context of an election of the head of state, I am more concerned about war because it is emphatically not a private matter. It is hard to think of a more public one, particularly when illegal under international law and when there is considerable grounds to question its original basis.

23 October 2008 at 22:51  
Anonymous grieved said...

Methodist for obama, the unborn babies are among the "individuals concerned" in the abortion issue.

23 October 2008 at 23:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cannot fathom the moral compass of someone who can vote against offering medical care to a baby born alive due to a botched abortion, as Obama did four times. It is impossible to predict what someone with that type of moral compass would do in the case of an attack against the United States or on any other issue. Either they are so ideological that common sense disappears or they are so void of ethical and moral bearings as to shift with every breathe.

24 October 2008 at 00:38  
Blogger King Athelstan said...

Can Your Grace tell Me, what has been so pro-life about the Republican presidents that have occupied the white house for 24 of the last 36 years and have not made any effort to overturn Roe vs Wade? They all seemed to campaign on a pro-life ticket, was this a cynical attempt to court the left-footer vote?

24 October 2008 at 00:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What the Roman Empires Church wants the Roman Empires Church gets. In America as just about everywhere else. The confusion is in trying to work out the exact difference between what the Emperor actually wants and what the Emperor says he wants. Now there is the rub.

Of course by inference the Emperor actually wants what the Emperor has actually got.

24 October 2008 at 01:09  
Blogger Holy Smoke said...

When you receive a steady diet of information from the agents of the Princess of Darkness what do you expect people to believe. Most people can not think for themselves. They want someone who will give them a land flowing in milk and honey. They do not care if it comes at the cost of human lives. Obama is their messiah he promises to give them this land of no pain. People listen to entertainers like Oprah for her guidance on major issues. If she endorses Obama then her listeners will follow her advice. Entertainers exert a strong influence over the lives of most people. The US is rich in material objects but poor in spiritual matters. Unfortunately most Christian churches have not improved the way they deliver God's message. There is no Christian TV network or news program that competes against the force of darkness. One hour a week for Christian reflection is not enough. If Obama wins the US will fall under the control the Princess of Darkness.

24 October 2008 at 03:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Republican Party is just a bunch of white racists. It is filled with a bunch of Angry White Guys (and Gals) who think the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act ruined America because it made it a lot harder for whites from Ireland, England, France, Germany, Italy, etc. to immigrate to the U.S. and made it a lot easier for the Chinese, Indians, Jamaicans, Mexicans, Egyptians, etc. to immigrate to the U.S. What these racists don't GET is that the 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act (Thank You Senator Ted Kennedy) greatly increased Diversity in the U.S. which has made OUR Nation stronger and a much more multicultural place to live. Before 1965 Whites of European descent made up 88% of the U.S. population. Now whites only make up 65% of the U.S. population and by 2042 they will only make up 49% of the population. By 2100 Whites of European descent will only make up about 30% of the U.S. population and also by the year 2100 only 3% of the World Population will be White. The 2008 Election is just a turning point in American History though. By the end of this century white Europeans will be out of power in the United States(FINALLY!) and then we can finally end WHITE PRIVILEDGE and can get REAL Affirmative Action, REAL Reparations, REAL Change, and begin to redistribute wealth and property back to those who deserve it. The World is Flat. The white racist Republicans just don't seem to get it!

24 October 2008 at 04:31  
Anonymous miserable sinner said...

Long before the end of this century, America will have another civil war. White people are losing hope that they will ever be able to stop paying off various minority groups for past wrongs, and are having a great deal of difficulty understanding what it is that they "owe" to Guatemalans and Chinese who sneak into the country. Every minority group that arrives is able to get all sorts of special small business loans not available to Whitey and preferential treatment when bidding on government contracts, not to mention the standard range of welfare benefits. When people think that there is an end to the nonsense, they work within the system. When people think that they will gradually be deprived of most of their assets, income, and historic liberties, they will NOT stand for it indefinitely.

Obama STILL hasn't told us which hospital he was born in in Honolulu. We are still waiting to see his REAL Birth Certificate -- you know, the one with the doctor's signature & the birth weight & time and day, etc. I know Bambi doesn't care much for America since he considers himself to be a sophisticated International Man, but I hope that he doesn't create a constitutional crisis by waiting until after he has been elected to reveal the fact that he was born in Kenya, not the USA, and is not even a U.S. citizen.

All of his relatives in Kenya say that he was born in Kenya. Surely there have not been too many babies born into the Obama family by American white women, and surely Obama's family has a clear memory of this special event. If Obama is a U.S. citizen, he needs to prove it now. Otherwise, he needs to step aside now.

24 October 2008 at 05:27  
Blogger Holy Smoke said...

The Catholics for Obama is actually Senator Ted Kennedy's. What a joke! The most liberal Catholic Senator thumbs his nose at the Catholic hierarchy because he knows they will not take any action against him.

24 October 2008 at 05:33  
Anonymous James G. said...

I think the Archbishop may find that the pro-Obama RC tide is turning, on the heels of statements from several US RC Archbishops, including a book by Archbishop Chaput of Denver.

He's actually suggested that pro-choice politicians may want to consider recusing themselves from the Mass.

24 October 2008 at 08:44  
Anonymous G Eagle Esq said...

Your Grace

Perhaps we need not be over-worried by Methodist Opinion - unless they buck their ideas up, Methodists are in irreversible numerical decline - in 10 years there will be very few Methodists to worry about

..... but by then there will be very few Anglicans in South Derbyshire - in one Rural Deanery, the Diocese has driven through a Re-Organisation of Parishes to follow the failing Methodist "Circuit" Model

Gratifyingly for local Ecclesiarchs whose own numbers seem NOT to have been reduced, the number of Parish Ministers has been significantly reduced, with immediate financial savings

The same local Ecclesiarchs will soon have cause to be less eager to reduce Parish Clergy-Numbers, when the said Rural Deanery collapses financially with consequent underpayments of Diocesan Quota, which is what these local Ecclesiarchs seem to care about

Your Grace's obedient servant etc

G E

24 October 2008 at 09:29  
Blogger Damo Mackerel said...

These Catholics along with the 'conservatives' who support Obama clearly think he's the One. That he will sort out not only America's but the World's problems is just ridiculous. I think they need to read The Road to Serfdom.

24 October 2008 at 11:38  
Blogger KJC402 said...

Dear Methodist Person,

History is all about who we are and where we have been, our accomplishments and experience, so with that being said the Democrats have way more "war mongering" experience (ie WW I, WW II, Korea, Vietnam)

Dear Anonymous Hater,

My non-white republican wife, her immigrant non-white republican parents, our non-white republican family and friends think you are full of IT. Here is a little history lesson for you Hart-Celler Immigration Act passed congress by 82.5% margin with the only dissent coming from DEMOCRATS, the Chinese/Asians Exclusion Act That Hart-Celler finished-off was a product of DEMOCRATS and opposed by REPUBLICANS, Slavery protected by DEMOCRATS and opposed by REPUBLICANS, Desegregation promoted by REPUBLICANS and opposed by DEMOCRATS, first appointments of blacks to government positions were done by REPUBLICANS, Martin Luther King, Jr. was a REPUBLICAN and opposed by DEMOCRATS, Jim Crow Laws, enacted by DEMOCRATS, Frederick Douglass was a REPUBLICAN and the first black man to receive votes for nomination as a major party candidate by REPUBLICANS (1888), The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed by 80% of REPUBLICANS as opposed to only 60% of DEMOCRATS and was filibustered in the Senate by Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV), Liberal DEMOCRAT F.D.R. authorized Executive Order 9066 by which the civil rights of Americans of Japanese ancestry were suspended based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership" and wasn't acknowledged as such until REPUBLICAN Ronald Reagen signed legislation authorizing a government apology. The Ku Klux Klan, founded by DEMOCRATS and opposed by REPUBLICANS (The Klan Act of 1870). for more please visit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A.

24 October 2008 at 16:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that fat pig kennedy will die soon and I hope he burns in hell for supporting the killing of the unborn. Obama and his democrat party is a death machine. Any Catholic voting for Obama is voting for Murder of the unborn and going against the teaching of the Catholic Church and they should all be excommunicated by the Vatican. It's time to kick out demons and anti-christ followers of Obama.

26 October 2008 at 03:45  

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