Friday, October 24, 2008

Phil Woolas MP: The Church of England will be disestablished

Cranmer has little time for this irritating, little immigration minister who knows not a lot about anything, but who predicts the eventual disestablishment of the Church of England, and prophesies that it will be ‘stripped of its privileges within 50 years as Britain was now a multi-faith society’. He argues that Labour’s reform of the House of Lords will eventually lead to the historic links between Church and state being severed: ‘Once you open debate about reform of the House of Lords you open up debate about the make-up of the House’.

Politicians with crystal balls are almost invariably intellectually deficient or mentally imbalanced. But Mr Woolas is joined today by the eminent Dr Sean Gabb, who, also writing in The Times, is of the opinion that the Church ‘should be disestablished because it has, in a sense, disestablished itself. It has made itself an object of derision where not of contempt. It should not be allowed to continue representing itself as England at prayer’.

Cranmer finds Dr Gabb’s argument far more cogent than that of Mr Woolas, not only because Dr Gabb has a grasp of history and of the constitution (not to mention the pathological Socialism of the bishops), but because there is a sense in which Mr Woolas is simply pandering to minority votes without any consideration of the undeniable fact that there are many Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and Roman Catholics who value the place of the Established Church. A multi-faith society can certainly accommodate a privileged position for one religion, especially if that religion is as accommodating and benign as Anglicanism. It provides a canopy of religion under which all religions may find a voice in the public political sphere.

And Dr Gabb understands perfectly that the disestablishment of the Church will lead inexorably to the destabilisation of the monarchy. Yet he asserts that ‘the monarchy has destabilised itself. The settlement by the Glorious Revolution of 1688 was that we would regard the monarch as the Lord’s anointed. The monarch would, in turn, safeguard our liberties. Without mentioning any other dereliction, Her Majesty this year allowed ratification of the Lisbon Treaty, despite its implications for how we govern ourselves, and despite the promise by the Government in 2005 that what became the treaty would not be ratified without a referendum’.

Cranmer made this point some months ago. When the monarchy abdicates its authority and voluntarily subjugates itself to a higher ruling power, it loses its raison d’être. It can no longer defend the Protestant Reformed Religion any more than it can defend the rights, liberties and traditions of the people.

Yet what interests Cranmer in respect of Mr Woolas’ statement is the slap he received from a Ministry of Justice spokesman, who said: “The government remained committed to the Church and valued its contribution.” And this is followed by a Ministry of Justice spokeswoman who said: "The Church of England is by law established as the Church in England and the Monarch is its Supreme Governor... The government remains committed to this position and values the establishment of the Church of England.”

If this is true, there can be no tampering with the Act of Settlement 1701. For that is the rock upon which the Act of Union was established and upon which the whole religio-political house of cards is constructed. Fracture that, and a myriad of carefully-woven constitutional threads will unravel at an alarming pace. Sinn Féin representatives will be able to take their seats in the House of Commons, members of the Privy Council shall be free to serve the higher purposes of Brussels, and Cranmer will be among the first to take advantage of a provision within the Act and declare that he can no longer swear allegiance to his Monarch.


Karma? Proverbs 29:23?


Blogger Wyrdtimes said...

I say close the CofE completely.

The Church of England is a disgrace - it doesn't stand for the English at all. Not a peep on the WLQ or the Barnett Formula or the EU or anything of the things that affect England today.

In fact with it's resigned approach to the introduction of Sharia Law, the CofE has proved itself to be an enemy of England.


24 October 2008 at 10:51  
Blogger Alfie said...

What an odious little man Woolas is. I almost had a close up one-to-one with him when we met head to head at a crowded walkway at Tatton Park Flower Show this last Summer....

I recognised him immediately, even though he was hiding behind a verdant potted plant being tightly grasped by his sweaty little grasping hands. He tried to look away as we closed in on each other - but I had him in my stare - locked on. And he couldn't escape because he was surrounded by lots of those elderly fat people on mobility scooters...

I opened my mouth "Mr Woolas, I wonder if you could spare me a few minutes of your time to talk to this Englishman?"

He looked horrified. The camouflage had failed, his mouth opened and gaped but nothing came out. I had him.

Just then, my wife broke the spell. She told me to leave the man alone. She said that as we were on a day's jolly, she didn't want to discuss politics, not even with 'him'. She pointed a jabbing finger at Woolas, who by now was peering around his plant disguise.

He looked pathetic. Severe 2 o'clock shadow, sweating brow, crappy faux Hawaiian shirt. A sort of modern day gardening Uriah Heep in a creepy kind of way.

I protested to my missus as Woolas was swallowed up by the mobility scootered throng. "Don't you know who that was?"

"If he ain't selling plants, I don't care" she said.

24 October 2008 at 11:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace.
One feels that the best reaction
to the Woolmers of this world is
to ignore them, after all what do
the opinions of an upstart nobody count? He will never reach the heights of a Voltaire,
who was as we all know proved to be wrong in his assertations about
the Bible, & to think that some people think God has no sense of humour!

24 October 2008 at 13:14  
Blogger Damo Mackerel said...

Hello all, For traditional Anglican workship may I suggest this site? I think Archbishop Cramner will be most pleased.

24 October 2008 at 14:15  
Blogger dizzyfatplonka said...

"Cranmer will be among the first to take advantage of a provision within the Act and declare that he can no longer swear allegiance to his Monarch."

I have come to the conclusion that the sooner we all take that action your Grace the better.

British Citizenship is nothing more than a fictional PERSON anyway, we do not need this false entity to be British we are Born British, only foreigners require the PERSON for their Citizenship.

24 October 2008 at 14:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What privileges are
Mr Woolas referring to? As an ordinary person in the pew I haven't noticed any - au contraire.

24 October 2008 at 15:53  
Anonymous non mouse said...

With all due respect to Your Grace - VIVAT ELIZABETH II.

She can't help it if the British people seem to prefer Communists and Brussels to a home-grown Lady who does not force herself where she isn't wanted. Indeed, she presents herself in contrast to them: as one who respects the apparent wishes of her people.

Nor is it her fault if successive governments and parliaments choose to masquerade as 'hers', while in fact acting against the interests of the British people.

She did not suggest that neu brits choose as their rulers young egoists who have been brainwashed by socialists; and who, therefore, have experienced little and know less. The same young twerps who are glad to advertise the appalling standards of British dentistry.

Furthermore, let's face it - the British have done nothing to reject domination by the euSSR, or to prevent the agents of socialism from deconstructing us. Or have I missed something that hasn't appeared in the media?

Certainly - I will never respect eu law or government. I will never practice or express allegiance to: euros, popes, hindus, moslems, or any foreign power that establishes dominion in Britain. They can use the biggest iron boots available, and try to teach 'Respect' ad infinitum - they may never learn that their way fails where it most wants to succeed.

If the rest of the country participates in the abuse or imprisonment of people like me ... then that will be the nature of neu brits: maybe parents, teachers, and the CofE failed to let them know that there is a worse fate - and it's not death.

If the same people look the other way while foreign 'doctors' shovel the elderly into ethnic cleansing centers (er, 'euthanasia centres' ... er, hospitals) run by these usurpers: So be it. If neu brits refuse to: "Take care of their own" - they'll have to figure out why they should. Or, when their turn comes...?

One possibility, in worldly terms, is that 'euthanasia' will prove too expensive: once the heathens have appropriated all material wealth.

In any case, I believe that each individual will face the same omniscient JUDGE. However, I think that no one, alone, can turn the tide - not even EIIR.

24 October 2008 at 19:48  
Blogger Fred Preuss said...

Separate church and state. Get bishops out of legislature and the government away from appointing clergy.
Even the Portuguese, Spanish and Italians have separated church and state. Sweden, Australia, the Czech Republic, New Zealand, Canada (I won't mention the USA because you will think it vulgar) have all done it and they're no worse off than you AND those countries that had monarchs before disestablishment still have them.
Why any free marketer would want to keep the last, and most useless, nationalised industry tied to the government is beyond me.

24 October 2008 at 20:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Preuss makes me wonder why we should do what others have done. We're not the same people they are. We're not Latins, or continentals, and we don't want to be. Those of us in Britain are not emigrants...yet.

Many of us are leaving because foreigners, who include Latins and continentals, require the place to be less than it is. And that makes it no longer as good as anywhere else: in contrast to a Britain that was a shining beacon -the Home that we loved. Now, they're turning it into something we no longer want or even like.

Our predecessors nurtured it; they aworked to help develop this place and its culture: both through and because of our religion. The CofE provided the foundation for law, and for our thought and behaviour. That is why it has worked so well as part of the Establishment.

So I think the difference between them and my kith and kin must lie in the approach to materialism.
For us, being 'well off' is not everything: the end does not justify the means.

24 October 2008 at 22:00  
Blogger dizzyfatplonka said...

MAYBE e2r maj can save the day and our politicians can go instead

24 October 2008 at 22:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can never lose my faith in God because I know the sick and twisted bastard really does exist, and really did create this cock-up. I know this for sure, but i have this to say: I do not want any continuation in some pathetic spirit dimension. When this person of mine expires, it is my wish to be buried in the ground and left alone in a permanent state of non existence. I have had a belly full of it and can cope with running the course, but do not wish to partake in any more stupid fucking games.
Speaking of stupid games, the Church, the Queen etc.....pathetic....please shuv it all up your holy fucking arse, many thanks.

24 October 2008 at 22:11  
Anonymous Blood-watered tree said...

Free the Church from the shackles of State control! The Body of Christ doesn't need Caesar's denarius.

26 October 2008 at 04:15  
Blogger Timothy Belmont said...

Sadly the Church of Ireland was disestablished a long time ago.

Is Your Grace aware that the Most Reverend Alan Harper, OBE, has maintained the Anglican tradition of the wearing of episcopal cope and mitre?

The Most Reverend Alan Harper is the 104th Archbishop of Armagh, Primate of All Ireland and Metropolitan.


27 October 2008 at 10:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Contrast the relative health of protestantism in the US and the UK. Or contrast UK protestantism to UK Catholicism. That ought to make any thinking Anglican a disestablishmentarian.

27 October 2008 at 14:57  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Timothy Belmont
As was the Church of Wales.

28 October 2008 at 15:58  

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