Tuesday, November 18, 2008

Baby Peter and the incompetent adult world which failed him


Much has been written, much has been speculated upon, more is being revealed, and even more will doubtless be made known in the coming months.

But what we do know is that Peter’s mother and father separated; their marriage broke down, inflicting upon this child the most formidable of hurdles so early in his life. The mother then found another partner who had a brother, and there is mention of a penchant for knives, Nazi memorabilia, and animal cruelty. It seems that one of Baby Peter’s male role models was known to torture defenceless creatures, breaking their bones, battering them senseless in rather the same manner as Peter himself suffered. And then Peter was placed under the scrutiny of Haringey social services, who were - shall we say - somewhat divided on what was best for the child. There were some 60 points of contact, 60 opportunities to pursue an alternative course of action, but they decided to leave Peter with his mother.

The child was taken to hospital on a number of occasions with a variety of bumps and bruises, all of which his mother casually explained away. She said he was a child who bruised easily and who was clumsy. The police were not happy with this, yet they did not press the matter. Members of Parliament were written to about the shortcomings of social services child protection in Haringey, and ministers were warned. But they passed their letters on to dutiful civil servants, who do what civil servants do best.

But while all these adults manifestly failed this baby boy, Cranmer is incredulous at the appalling performance of the paediatrician who inspected Peter just two days before he died.

This child was found to have a broken back, eight broken ribs, numerous bruises, cuts and abrasions, including a deep tear to his left ear lobe which had been partially pulled away from his head. There were severe lacerations to the top of his head, including a large gouge which could have been caused by a dog bite. He had blackened finger and toenails, with several nails missing. The middle finger of his right hand was without a nail and its tip was also missing, as if it had been sliced off. One of his front teeth had also been knocked out and was found in his colon. He had swallowed it.

Jesus wept.

How in the name of Christ could a paediatrician not notice that this poor baby was suffering and in agony? Yet it is reported that a full examination was not undertaken because the child was ‘cranky’.

Well, most children in hospital might reasonably be expected to be ‘cranky’, and any medical practitioner who fails to carry out a full examination merely because a child is ‘cranky’ ought to be sacked.

This beautiful 17-month old boy had the briefest of lives, and it was evidently a life of loneliness, torment and misery. One cannot begin to imagine the pain he endured, the tears he cried, the yearnings in his little heart to be loved and cared for. And one cannot comprehend the deepest desire in one so young that he might crawl back into his mother’s womb, and curse the day he was born.

And where was God throughout all this?

He was right at Peter’s side, feeling every blow, every bruise, every broken bone. And God wept Peter’s tears, and lived every minute of Peter’s loneliness, and lay at his side in the depths of despair. God knows what it is like to lose a son, and the son knows what it is like to be forsaken by a father. The cup of suffering cannot always pass. The cross is the open wound of Christianity which forever asks ‘why?’. God’s silence, the hiding of his face, the eclipse of God, the dark night of the soul, the death of God, hell: these are metaphors for God-forsakenness; they are attempts to describe the abyss, the sinking into nothingness, the emptiness, the hopelessness.

But he died that we might live.

Jesus said, ‘Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.’

Rest In Peace, Baby Peter.

The kingdom of heaven is yours.

47 Comments:

Blogger The Inquisitor said...

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18 November 2008 at 07:30  
Anonymous Asian Colonial Subject said...

Amen

18 November 2008 at 07:31  
Blogger Miss Snuffleupagus said...

Good post Your Grace! Yes, that doctor... with so many injuries, one would think that any kind of examination, even if it isn't a full one, would be enough to notice that something is deeply wrong. In fact, I'm guessing the doctor cannot even have looked at the child. It is gross negligence of the highest order.

18 November 2008 at 07:32  
Anonymous melangell said...

Amen, Your Grace.

18 November 2008 at 07:43  
Anonymous it's either banned or compulsory said...

I am not a Christian Your Grace But R.I.P. Baby Peter and may God have mercy on his soul.

"The neighbours " and "the community" have come in for a deal of flak for either not noticing that something was wrong or for ignoring it and moving on when in fact enough of them made their concerns known to Liberal Democrat councillors for them to request " a review " of childcare in Haringey.
A request that Sharon Shoesmith saw fit to refuse.

She has still not resigned; she should be replaced by Nevres Kemal, the brave lady who was hounded out of her job and put under investigation ( for Child abuse for goodness sake ) for taking unauthorised but necessary steps to protect children in another case in that borough.

Sharon Shoesmith, Director of Children's Services at Haringey Council, is also the Chair of the Local Safeguarding Children Board, the body that is investigating serious failings of
Sharon Shoesmith, Director of Children's Services at Haringey Council
There are 23,000 listings for Sharon Shoesmith on Yahoo search, most seem to be demanding her resignation yet she remains in office.

The paediatrician Dr Sabah Al-Zayyat, Ms. has been banned from working unsupervised until a General Medical Council inquiry is complete.

18 November 2008 at 09:27  
Anonymous Rebel Saint said...

Another Amen.

But whilst we're here and apportioning some blame ... what of the child's grandparents, aunts and uncles, and absent father, what about the neighbours. These are the first and most crucial line of defence. We cannot abdicate all our social responsibilities to the "professionals" or the state. Alas I suspect that rather than being a wake up call to us to invest all our efforts into strengthening family life and building interdependent relationships, this despicable episode will simply become another catalyst for even greater interventionist powers for the current Stasi so the rest of us can shrink further back into our cosy cocoons.

And where was God you ask? Right by his side? I don't think so. God may have looked on in abject horror and dismay - but He has intentionally rendered himself paraplegic - paralysed from the neck down. He probably longed to be at P's side but it us who are His hands & feet & arms & lungs & heart to the world. Where oh where was the body of Christ in all this. You can probably bet your last breathe that the body of Christ did not come within a mile of this child's life. It will have been all safe and cosy in it's buildings putting on events that no-one wants to attend bemoaning all sorts of things. But it will not have been out in the community visiting homes, praying on the streets, seeking out the downtrodden and destitute.

Most of our inner city estates are now fairly God-forsaken places except for a few brave missionaries. Most of our churches haven't seen a family like baby P's come near them in decades, nor will they have attempted to reach out to them.

Shame on us.

Rest in Peace, Baby P.

18 November 2008 at 09:33  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Amen.
How many more must suffer before the powers that be start listening & acting.
Thank God that a day of judgement is coming for the perpetrators of evil. No hiding then!

18 November 2008 at 09:53  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

While we might castigate the social workers in Haringey, what about the evil behaviour of the mother, boyfriend and lodger who bear the true responsibility?

The Times Online reports that each of the three perpetrators face a maximum of 14 years.

I wonder whether the bleeding hearts in the Judiciary will even give them that?

Then they will get time off for good behaviour...

Then they will claim their human rights etc etc to have access to their pornography...

Millstones and the deep ocean would seem to be a more fitting scenario for their sentence.

18 November 2008 at 10:08  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Amen.

The body of Christ, as it has been described, if nothing else, is very intellectual.

18 November 2008 at 10:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

60 times God tried to help peter 60times the people refused to listen.

18 November 2008 at 10:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rebel Saint, I understand that the mother was given custody and that the father stole him back until she got the Police to 'protect her rights' and bring Baby P back to her.

good news at last'Hit squad' to be sent to Haringey

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/baby-p-the-official-files-1023092.html

*An emergency "hit squad" is about to be ordered into Haringey Council to take over the running of its troubled social services department, Nigel Morris writes.

Ed Balls, the Children's Secretary, is preparing to act within a fortnight. Ministers hope the move will force the council to suspend senior staff, including its director of children's services, Sharon Shoesmith. Mr Balls told MPs he would "not hesitate" to act on the findings of an inquiry into the mistakes made in the case of Baby P."

And about time too.

18 November 2008 at 10:54  
Anonymous Wallenstien said...

I wonder whether the bleeding hearts in the Judiciary will even give them that?
Judges have to abide by the sentancing guidlines passed down by Politicians; their hands are tied by the laws under which they operate.

Anyway, surely the bible would suggest that God doesn't mind the death of infants when it suits his purposes? (Cf. 1 Samual 15 v2-3; Numbers 31 v16-18). Old covenant but nonetheless barbaric, and all done at God's command.

18 November 2008 at 10:54  
Blogger Cranmer said...

While we might castigate the social workers in Haringey

Mr Ultramontane Grumpy etc, etc,

His Grace has been most careful not to do that. He is fully aware of the horrendous difficulties and dilemmas social workers can face, and the last thing we want is an overzealous empowerment of the state to remove children from their parents at the first sign of bruising.

His Grace's wrath is reserved for the paediatrician, whose report, it would appear, would have provided the child protection officers with the evidence they needed to take action.

18 November 2008 at 11:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Baby P's ashes have been scattered at a sprawling north London cemetery with no tombstone or plaque to mark his brief life, it has emerged."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3476109/Baby-P-laid-to-rest-without-plaque-at-Londons-largest-cemetery.html

18 November 2008 at 11:13  
Blogger Botogol said...

"And where was God throughout all this?
"He was right at Peter’s side, feeling every blow, every bruise, every broken bone. And God wept Peter’s tears, and lived every minute of Peter’s loneliness, and lay at his side in the depths of despair"

Oh well, that makes it all right then.

A cynic might say God was about as effective as all the other 60 people who encoutnered baby P, many of whom no doubt also shed a sorry tear or two of sympathy, before shrugging their shoulders and concluding "sorry, mate nothing I can actually do, it's the rules you see: that's just how it works"

Sometimes it's hard not to despair at the religious.

18 November 2008 at 11:20  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Your Grace is displaying much wisdom this morning.
Botogol: the religious are frustrating indeed.

What are the statistics for all the successful cases where the police and social services have intervened and save many poor souls? We only hear the bad news! Not to detract from the dire failure of this particular case, but I agree with His Grace here, I for one do not wish to see a Gestapo of social workers breaking down doors in the early morning in order to save children from wicked parents who have stopped taking their Soma

18 November 2008 at 11:46  
Blogger Julian said...

Firstly Your Grace as this is my first comment on your estimated blog I'd like to thank you for your thought provoking efforts of the past months/years.

To be honest I find the news reports on the short life of baby Peter too unbearable to hear or read.

My consolation is the belief that he's finally safe in the arms of Mary and that in death he's finally experiencing the love which was so cruelly denied to him in life.

Regardless of the specifics of the case the underlying moral collapse of our society is what allows so many children to suffer in our society.

Society wasn't broken overnight - it's taken the sixties generation almost forty years to really trash society. Society won't be fixed overnight. Christians need to undertake a long march through the institutions of the UK in order to heal our culture. This will take a generation at least. It's also difficult to see where the leadership for this is going to come from. As a Catholic I look to Rome for moral guidance. However, for the UK as a whole it really requires the established church to take a lead. It must be prepared to be vilified for bearing witness to the truth in a way which it has not been for centuries. I do not see any appetite for this in the CoE.

The question I'd ask is how can Christians seek to heal the culture of Britain - beyond the obvious and not unimportant mechanism of living as good Christians ourselves?

18 November 2008 at 12:35  
Blogger Stefan said...

His Grace had never brought tears to my eyes before today.

18 November 2008 at 12:39  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Julian,

You are most welcome to His Grace's blog of intelligent and erudite comment upon matters religio-political.

The greater tragedy, of course, is that for every Peter in England there are thousands of children all over the world desperate to feel the warmth of a mother's embrace, to be kissed, to hear someone whisper in their ear, 'I love you'.

But we avert our eyes and cover our ears.

Cranmer advocates the involvement of Christian groups at all levels of socio-cultural activity. And perhaps they excel greatest in areas like caring, welfare, adoption... The state should embrace their involvement, not make demands or impose restrictions which alienate and exclude them.

This is currently being actively looked at by the Conservative Party, and His Grace thanks God for Iain Duncan Smith.

18 November 2008 at 13:17  
Blogger McKenzie said...

My opinion (fingers in ears) is that there is a much deeper issue here that needs to be addressed. The police and social services are what I would deem to be a last resort measure when much else has broken down and failed. I do not envy them in their work.
Ed Balls, on TV has just stated that he does not know what it is that makes parents of children do such evil things as these, but this is what lies at the heart of the problem we face. It's all very well having these new laws and tighter controls, but what is it that makes these people go off the rails in such a way which leaves us all horrified and confused?
It is a failing of society as a whole when we have no solution other than to pick up the pieces. I find it hard to understand that there is no correlation being drawn between the decline in Christian teachings in schools, and the increase in amorality in our nation. If we are to rely on human nature alone in order to make decisions between right and wrong, then we need to produce a philosophy which will form the basis of a moral compass for people to use as a guiding light. But there is no such philosophy. We are pumping facts into our kids, spoiling them at every opportunity, teaching them things like: they are what they own, success is material wealth, do as I say but not as I do. politics has become a sordid affair of lies and deception, not that it has ever been much different, but the contemporary breed seems to know no shame.
Is it any wonder that we have psychopathic behaviour prevalent amongst us?
As a Christian, I have to believe that there is a battle being fought between good and evil; it is a constant battle being fought within each and all, individually and collectively. When the collective army is showing weakness and fatigue, the simple answer is rest and sustenance for each individual. And the sustenance must be wholesome and nutritious, fast food will get the troops back to the front lines, but they will not have much fight in them.
In order to satisfy the Dawkins of this world, why don't we have a new subject on the curriculum entitled 'ethical studies', which would of course include the history and theory behind our Christain development. This would at the very least provide a landmark which would demonstrate where 'WE' are coming from and what it is that we believe, and what it is that we stand for, and what it is that we are trying to achieve.
The all important freedom of choice would remain, and I would like to think that some wholesome Christian ethics would rub off also.

18 November 2008 at 13:36  
Anonymous the recusant said...

Mr Julian echo’s my thoughts precisely, just too unbearable.

18 November 2008 at 13:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I fear that this is all a result of the Lord's judgement upon our nation. We have turned our backs on Him, our churches no longer preach the truth. They prefer a harlot or apostate gospel to His word. They also don't intercede to stop the plague. Consequently, the Lord has withdrawn from us and so His protection has gone. The devil has gained ground.

If only the church would repent and turn back to Him, we might stand a chance.

18 November 2008 at 15:13  
Anonymous woman on a raft said...

I for one do not wish to see a Gestapo of social workers breaking down doors in the early morning in order to save children from wicked parents who have stopped taking their Soma.

Mackenzie sounds a wise alarm. This must not be allowed to become the excuse by which people such as Yasmin Alibhai Brown start telling parents that they cannot even teach their children any religion she disapproves of, or that they must agree that all religions are of equal worth or they won't be allowed to keep their children.

If the state is looking for a reason to undermine parents further and nationalize childhood, then a dead child is almost more use than a live one, since - like any classic moral panic or terrorist scare - it means people will casually grant the state sweeping powers, never thinking those powers will be used against them.

The best protector of children remains their parents. Yes, sadly some of those parents will behave wickedly and they must be dealt with severely by the law, but even Richard Dawkins expounds that parents have a particular interest in the continuation of their own offspring. This was neatly illustrated by the way that although P's mother became dangerous, both the grandmother and the father challenged social service's view - and indeed, at least some social workers agreed with them.

If anybody argues that the family failed in this case, then no it didn't. The child was not living in a family worthy of the name. The mother failed to protect her child and became a source of danger, and the social services made a wrong decision based on a poor enquiry, but the rest of the family tried its best to protect the child.

18 November 2008 at 15:25  
Blogger The Gentleman Loser said...

Thank you, Your Grace. I too was moved to tears by reading your post and held my six year old's hand for comfort - his Christian name is Peter.
I'm more inclined to ask for wee Peter's prayers as an angel in heaven than to pray for his soul to be rested - surely he had his purgatory on earth.

18 November 2008 at 17:12  
Blogger Ron said...

This beautiful 17-month old boy had the briefest of lives, and it was evidently a life of loneliness, torment and misery. One cannot begin to imagine the pain he endured, the tears he cried, the yearnings in his little heart to be loved and cared for. And one cannot comprehend the deepest desire in one so young that he might crawl back into his mother’s womb, and curse the day he was born.

The animals, who are equally valuable creatures, also suffered at the hands of this monster.

18 November 2008 at 21:47  
Blogger Christian said...

So sad the lack of care the young get these days.

God is always watching whatever they think:

http://www.andrewcusack.com/2008/11/16/adasevic/

18 November 2008 at 23:59  
Anonymous Andrew F said...

Excellent. God to the rescue once again - wearing his symbolism cape, of course. Let us be honest: the Christian God is appalling at his job.

19 November 2008 at 00:23  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Andrew F said, "Let us be honest: the Christian God is appalling at his job." Andrew, just where do you get off? Can't you see that this evil is the doing of men (and women), not of God? The only exit from this evil was to return this child to God, and yet you presume to criticize God! How unbelievably pompous you are!!

19 November 2008 at 00:44  
Blogger Alan Douglas said...

Not directly linked, but I just have started steps, long considered, to become a foster parent for 2 children. Whether I will be accepted is far too soon to say, but I tend toward the practical, and hope to be able to give more children the benefits I have already given to my 5 in two (serial) families.

Perhaps some of your other readers could do the same, or even adopt ?

Alan Douglas

19 November 2008 at 07:51  
Anonymous Michael said...

Every time I see a photo of Baby Peter it breaks my heart. I am apalled at the wickedness of those who were supposed to protect him - his parents and the social services/medical profession.We live in a scoiety that is cold, cruel and uncaring and the audacity of those responsible who refuse to resign is unbelievable -they shouldn't even be given the option to resign as they should have been sacked immediately.If an incompetent MD of a firm is found to be responsible for the death of an employee in an industrial action he can be held culpable and tried for corporate manslaughter. Why not do the same to this vile bunch? Words fail me..............

19 November 2008 at 13:49  
Anonymous Andrew F said...

Dr D, I've rarely been described as pompous - personally, though, I think saying, "Praise be to God" when a small child gets tortured to death takes a certain kind of arrogance. But nevermind that.

The Christian God is an interventionist god. Hence all the praying. He chooses when to prevent things from happening, and this month, he chose not to prevent this tragedy. I'd like an explanation. In writing.

And even if he wasn't an interventionist, the Christian God creates each of us; the Christian god programmed this evil. I'd like someone else to do the coding next time. 'k?

19 November 2008 at 14:49  
Anonymous Penny Mellor said...

You can't date fractures/breaks

http://www.crd.york.ac.uk/CRDWeb/ShowRecord.asp?View=Full&ID=12005003632

Let's look at the facts and ask the questions nobody else will ask?


Dr Al Zayat has an unblemished career, she is a competent paediatrician, any member of the public would spot paralysis, so how could a competent doctor miss it?

Baby P's mother lied to social workers about "going away to visit an uncle" to prevent any social worker visiting when baby P had two black eyes, yet we are asked to believe that she attended a health check knowing he was paralysed and had had a tooth punched out?

You can't accurately date fractures or breaks, were the injuries dated to tie in with all three defendants being present on that one day?

Without doubt baby P suffered the most horrendous abuse, however it is becoming convenient to certain quarters for the paediatrician to take the blame, it certainly helps PACA et al's views and it most certainly assists social services and the police to pass this buck given that DR Al Zayat had no information regarding the fact that there was, at the point at which she examined baby P, an ongoing police investigation under section 47 for assault against baby P's mother.

Perhaps it was the police dropping the case that was the catalyst for poor baby P's demise, just maybe the boyfriend thought he would be removed along with all the other children and out of his life, only to find that wasn't going to happen?????

19 November 2008 at 15:48  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it not ironic that the same people who ask questions about God at a time like this. Are almost always the same people that never seriously question their precious state. While it and the establishment are daily 'dumping' all over their entire material and spiritual existence.

Fine words Cranmer. You actually brought tears to my eyes, not for the first time.

Atlas

19 November 2008 at 20:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Penny Mellor wants to look at the facts ie "You can't date fractures"
Maybe you can't date fractures but FAILING TO NOTICE A BROKEN BACK is a different matter.This "competent" doctor brings a new meaning to the word competent. It used to mean that someone was capable of doing their job and thorough in all things pertaining to the task in hand. This idiot should be struck off immediately.

21 November 2008 at 09:30  
Blogger Deb said...

Lord have mercy. Memory Eternal. This is a terrible thing and you are right that God was there every moment of every day and He was merciful in releasing this poor baby from any more suffering. I do hope that the doctor never works again and that this absurd idea of giving the mother a new identity is quashed!

22 November 2008 at 21:50  
Blogger John said...

All readers are encouraged to investigate the following:

http://cpexposed.com/news.php

We are close to blowing this one wide open!

24 November 2008 at 13:00  
Anonymous Michelle said...

Surely at times God works through people, therefore isn't it ALL our responsibility to make that we stop this now! Because right at this moment in time there are many, many, children suffering alone and in silence while we tut, tut at other peoples negligence. Let's face it unless we change our attituted towards "other peoples" children this will happen again and again. Those who truly care must stand up and be counted!

26 November 2008 at 17:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God was not there to help this little boy. If god cared, that baby would have been given to me...I would I have loved him. I do love him.

I am so angry and sad that this has happened to him. I want nothing more than to scoop him into my arms and tell him that I LOVE HIM. The world and god may have turned their backs on him, but I have not.

I cry daily for this little boy. I feel incredibly guilty that the day he died, we were all continuing with our "happy" little lives. He died alone, the whole time thinking he was unworthy of love. That everyone hated him, including god.

Where were you God? Why did you not rescue him? Why did you choose that mother for him? Where were you??!!!

11 December 2008 at 19:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOU KNOW I BELIEVE A LIFE FOR A LIFE. DAM THE MOTHER MAKE HER SUFFER LIKE THAT PRECIOUS BABY DID.REST IN PEACE YOU DEAR LITTLE SOUL

16 April 2009 at 03:11  
Blogger Antonio said...

You say the neighbours and family should have been aware of this going on? Rubbish. In this day and age as you know neighbourhood communities are not like they were in the early 40's or 50's. Nowadays neighbours keep to to themselves. family is not as closely tied together as it was back then. If a mother takes a young child to the doctor with unexplained bruises or injuries then the doctor is, by law, fully obliged to to follow it up with the authorities! nOT LEAVE IT GO BECAUSE THE CHILD IS CRANKY! This is a major and blantantly gross misjudgement on this so called doctors part.This is and was a cowardly move on the doctors part.And the Church saying that God eased this poor little angels suffering? What a load of rubbish. If God is loving, forgiving and and all encompassing, then why the hell did he let his newest angel on earth, that he sent down, to suffer the most horrific tortures imaginable, without doing something? without stepping in? without creating a miracle and letting this tiny defenceless baby live? And why are the torturers getting off so lightly? God? Where the hell were you in this baby boys time of need? Did you not say i will not forsake you? Well this time you did!!!!!

3 June 2009 at 12:00  
Blogger John said...

Are you people insane?? You are right. The question is "where was God during all of this?" By the boy's side? Are you kidding me? If God was there...he would have protected Baby P. I have seen anonymous videos of 8-year-olds being raped on camera....still no God available. You know...I am glad he helps make your lives worth living a little more...but when it comes to children...that is where the reality is most stark..there is no God. So, even though, statistically, there is a 6-year-old little girl being raped while her mother is at her 3rd job, right now AS WE SPEAK....go home an pray to your God and let's see how much that saves the children. Try actually writing a letter, picking up the phone, or speaking out when it happens in your neighborhood...instead of praying...please.

8 July 2009 at 03:53  
Blogger anandisaac said...

I am a Christian and a father of three children from India. I am a Christian because of the sacrifices of the Christian missionaries in those days. I am now sitting in front of my office computer and weeping uncontrollably, looking at the picture of Baby Peter. Whatever happened to England and all those missionaries? I have no doubt that the rise of such satanic brutality is associated with the fall of Christianity in England. God sent Jesus to die for the sins of mankind. But if you breed an entire generation of Christless souls, then the laws of nature begin to rule. The same laws which rule the animal kingdom. How many of us remember this scene from Discovery Channel, where a lion seeking a lioness kills the cubs of the lioness' previous mate before it takes over the the pride?! It's the same fate that happened to the poor child. God save the Queen and England!!!

11 August 2009 at 03:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ive never posted on a forum before, nor am i a church attending christian, infact i dont call myself a christian. i live by the morals i was brought up with, i dont lie, i dont steal, i share , i am kind to everybody and i dont judge etc and i teach my son who is 5 years old the same. when my son was baby p's age he looked similarly,blond blue eyed and a gorgeous smile that would melt any heart. many have posted on here that god was with him while he died, some have said that there is a god and god took him away from his awful parents and to a better place .... but if there was a god and hes taken him to a better place then why did he leave it so long, why would he let him suffer at all? god made man with free will, its nots gods will to kill but he gave us the free will? why would he? i dont understand religion. i believe god is a scape goat. his parents should not have been given annonaminity and should have been put in prison with other inmates, and see how long they would have lasted! i dont think they should ever come out of prison. i dont agree with in other countries where they stone criminals but right now how i feel is i say those parents deserve the death penalty!!!!

11 August 2009 at 23:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you, Your Grace. Your words are the only thing that has provided any comfort for me in this.

God promises us that everything is His design. He also promises us that He will not give us more than we can bear. I am so thankful that Peter is with his Father and suffers no more.

To think that it is any other way is to let the evil win. To turn our backs on God because we can't understand His plan is exactly what Satan wants us to do. We can't forget the eternal battle.

12 August 2009 at 21:17  
Anonymous Paul Murray said...

Yes, Jesus was by his side the while time, watching it happen. I think "Viz" did a 2-page analysis of this, and it was spot-on.

But, you know: all the suffering of Baby Peter at the hands of his parents as nothing to what all who deny Christ shall suffer at the hands of their heavenly father. He will toss them into the burning lake of fire forever and ever, even to the darkest pits of eternal hell, where the worm does not die.

And that puts it all into some perspective. Sure, what those people did to Peter, what the Nazis did to the Jews, even what the ancient Aztecs did to unfaithful wives was pretty horrific. But it all pales into nothing in comparison with what God himself is going to do to pretty much everyone (aside from a sliver of people who happen to have gotten religion right, like all the good anglicans or whatever you happen to be).

So enough of all this maudlin "Why, oh why, did God not do something!". Some nazi slicing up a baby is just petty evil, compared to God.

19 August 2009 at 07:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look, all u people that think this is gods doing or not.... th fact is that it happened... an it shldnt hav...this little child is gone...in a horific sort o way...an no 1 did a thing about it b4 he went..who can say honestly, that if they saw wot was goin on, that they wld hav don somthin??no 1 nos no 1 was there at th time..except th 1s that did that unspeakable task.. they r th only 1s 2 blame...

16 September 2009 at 15:57  
Blogger Jessica said...

I find myself thinking about baby P over and over again. (I learned about him last month)

I cry for him and in my mind I scream at God for sending that vulnerable baby into a living Hell.

I keep thinking of the quote "the Lord's mill of justice grinds exceedingly slowly, but it grinds exceedingly well."

Right now I could care less about the sermon on the mount and the commandment to not even be angry with other people. Baby Peters killers make me angry.

When God says "vengeance is mine," I believe he means business. I know it's wrong to take delight in imagining his vengeance, but I do.

I just wish He would guide me to help protect someone in need. Babies are being hurt all the time.

7 August 2012 at 07:16  

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