Friday, December 12, 2008

Muslim lawyer: 'Christmas is the pathway to hell'

He is but one lawyer and one Muslim, but he will not be perceived to harm his already-despised profession one iota, while his co-religionists shall be bear the brunt of his ranting and raving.

Anjem Choudary has branded Christmas 'evil' and the 'pathway to hell', urging his followers to boycott it.

It is not clear how many ‘followers’ he has, nor what should possess them to follow him, but it would appear they should desist forthwith for he is a blasphemer. Consider this excerpt from his speech rant:

In the world today many Muslims, especially those residing in Western countries, are exposed to the evil celebration Christmas. Many take part in the festival celebrations by having Christmas turkey dinners. Decorating the house, purchasing Christmas trees or having Christmas turkey meals are completely prohibited by Allah. Many still practice this corrupt celebration as a remembrance of the birth of Jesus. How can a Muslim possibly approve or participate in such a practice that bases itself on the notion Allah has an offspring? The very concept of Christmas contradicts and conflicts with the foundation of Islam. Every Muslim has a responsibility to protect his family from the misguidance of Christmas, because its observance will lead to hellfire. Protect your Paradise from being taken away - protect yourself and your family from Christmas.

Does this man have a direct line to Allah? Is he able to override scripture and ‘enhance’ the words of the Qur’an? Christmas trees were a tradition imported into the UK from Germany by Prince Albert during the reign of Queen Victoria. Has Allah told Mr Choudary that Christmas trees are banned? If so, when did Allah tell him this? How was this revealed? When the Qu'ran was being written (610-632 AD), there was no such tradition. So why would Allah have told Gabriel to tell Mohammed that Scandinavian pines are prohibited?

Cranmer is more than a little familiar with the Qur’an, and he assures his readers and communicants that there is no mention purchasing Christmas trees or turkey dinners being ‘completely prohibited by Allah’. And why should Muslims not remember the birth of the one of their most important prophets? With the exception of Christ’s divinity, they believe everything that Christians believe about the event, and there is no Qur’anic prohibition on orthodoxy.

It may help readers and communicants to know that, according to The Daily Mail, Anjem Choudary is chairman of the Society of Muslim Lawyers, and the ‘right-hand man’ of exiled preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed. Further, he is ‘lauded by extremist groups’. Moreover, in the past ‘he has demanded the execution of the Pope, organised mass demonstrations against the publication of cartoons which allegedly insulted Mohammed and urged Muslims to have more babies to take over the UK’.

Cranmer was asked by one communicant in a thread below where his own intolerance of ‘multiculturalism’ might start to be manifest. Since Mr Choudary claims £25,000 a year in benefits, this would be a very strong contender. If this is how Mr Choudary feels, then he should dwell elsewhere instead of leeching of a state he so manifestly despises. It rather reminds Cranmer of the time Abu Hamza, an Egyptian national, called Britain a ‘toilet’. The remedy to his offence is quite simple and straightforward: go home. There is no compulsion upon foreign nationals to make their home in the United Kingdom if they find it so repulsive and its customs so detestable.

If the Government were serious about tackling violent extremists, or confronting the 'sharper end' of militant ideology, then instead of pouring hundreds of millions of pounds of hard-earned tax-payers’ money into council projects to enhance ‘community cohesion’, the money should be spent on deporting such as Mr Choudary. As a lawyer, it is not remotely clear why he is permitted to claim benefits anyway. And neither is it clear why he is not being prosecuted for inciting religious hatred.

What would be the fate of the poor Christian who dared to say ‘Ramadan is evil and Eid is the pathway to hell’?


Anonymous shaven-headed tattooed knuckledragger said...

"The very concept of Christmas contradicts and conflicts with the foundation of Islam" - The concept of Peace on earth, goodwill to all?

Yes, I suppose he's right.

12 December 2008 at 10:42  
Anonymous shaven-headed tattooed knuckledragger said...

The solution is quite simple - a religion free Winterval:

"A school choir was forced to withdraw from a Christmas event because organisers branded its carols 'too religious'.
Around 60 children aged between seven and 11 had spent six weeks practising favourites including Once In Royal David's City and Silent Night for the Corringham Winter Festival."

12 December 2008 at 10:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmm... your man Cromwell thought much the same in the 1650s....

12 December 2008 at 10:58  
Anonymous M. Ali said...

Not only is Anjem C a disgrace to Islam and a dishonour to the Prophet Muhammad, but he is ungrateful and shameless in his speech if he is claiming benefits. You are absolutely correct, "There is no compulsion upon foreign nationals to make their home in the United Kingdom if they find it so repulsive and its customs so detestable." The point is, Anjem is not a foreign national but evidently qualifies to be considered one through his confessed attitudes.

12 December 2008 at 11:05  
Blogger Sue said...

Why doesn't the government prosecute him for inciting religious hatred? Are they afraid they will make a martyr of him?

How can he claim £25,000 a year in benefits? What could he possibly be claiming for? If he is a professional person, why isn't he working and paying taxes like everyone else?

In allowing this man to continue to take advantage of the systems we have in place and at the same time being incredibly offensive and presumably breaking the law, the government are showing their contempt for the rest of us.

12 December 2008 at 11:24  
Blogger Damo Mackerel said...

I can just imagine now the PC brigade tripping over themselves to accomodate this Islamfacist. It's only a matter of time before Christmas and Christianity for that matter, will be outlawed in Britian.

12 December 2008 at 11:34  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Your Grace.
One feels that this is just another case of a ranting sponger making a lot of noise to justify his existence on the planet, the only difference he makes here is about £25,000 a year. interesting to note that the present shambolic crowd in power are targeting those on incapacity benefit, perhaps this man will find his benefits cut instead of those who are in real need.
With regard to trees one,doesn't see the purpose of them being placed in the living room unless one has an elderley incontinent pet. The origins of this strange custom have nothing to do with the Lord's incarnation, but then neither do most of the other traditions of this time of year, the origins are most likely pagan, possibly being assiciated with the groves of scripture & I know that the Jehovahs Witness cult are very anti, but hey! trees are not obligatory so save a tenner, don't buy one, or better still give the money to charity, My God is alive & I'm sure He will be happier to see someone needy comforted instead of a pine needles all over the carpet. God Bless.

12 December 2008 at 12:53  
Blogger Man in a Shed said...

Our local town Christmas tree was purchased by the Asian Business group ( ie Muslim group ) and I have often received Christmas cards from Muslims.

This is all about peddling hate and creating unnecessary division.

12 December 2008 at 12:54  
Blogger John M Ward said...

The great deceiver is at it again.

It is clear that these people (like this example, and there are many others) haven't a billionth of a percent knowledge of God. If they had, they'd know far better than to make this kind of proclamation.

The same applies to all those who promote violent punishments (including death) to those who transgress their stated "law". It should be obvious enough to anyone with a working brain that God wouldn't require us to harm or kill each other, even if He hadn't come here and told us so in person.

As always with these bods, it is an attempt of men to dictate their own agenda over and above God's law, and that is the actuality of the devil's work which all of them espouse and promote.

I just wish that more of the Muslim community would wake up and realise what is being done against them and to them. It's all glaringly obvious, after all.

Then again, there are still people who would vote Labour, so perhaps most of humanity is thick...

12 December 2008 at 12:58  
Blogger Dave said...

To be a lawyer you need a practising certificate from the Law Society and personal indemnity insurance. And he needs to undergo Continuous Professional Training which costs a lot of money.

So how does he fund this? Through his benefits? Which means that we fund him.
Has anyone checked that he is indeed a lawyer, qualified and licenced to practise?
If he's not he's just another loudmouth on the dole

12 December 2008 at 13:03  
Anonymous Tom Paine said...

Thanks for saying this horrible man couldn't lower the reputation of my "already-despised profession," your Grace. We have our bad apples (as does the priesthood). I am embarrassed by him, certainly, and even more by my ex-professional colleagues from Doncaster struck off yesterday, but most of us provide honest service and do our best to make a positive contribution to the lives of our fellow men. There can be no free society without independent lawyers to represent the citizen against the state. There can be no free society if priests are not tolerated, which is not quite the same positive thing. Anyway, it seems to me that priests are the lawyers of God's law, performing very similar functions of interpretation, advice, intermediation and advocacy (not to mention dressing up in funny outfits and participating in arcane rituals).

12 December 2008 at 13:08  
Blogger dizzyfatplonka said...

I hope they do boycott it, I am sick and tired of muslim taxi drivers charging treble fare at christmas.

Maybe we should charge them treble rate for everything at Eid!

12 December 2008 at 13:17  
Anonymous Nelson said...

If they boycott it there will be more not less muslim taxi drivers charging triple fares at Christmas.
Anyway the way the country's going no one will be able to afford a bus, let alone a taxi next year.

12 December 2008 at 13:35  
Blogger len.allan said...

Christians are the only people who have a savior, in every other religion you have to be your own savior.
The only qualfication (Gods standard) is perfection.
Now none on earth can obtain this standard by their own effort and I think the strain sends people practicing religion(self effort) a little mad!.

12 December 2008 at 13:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Surely the quote in this mans rant SHOULD read "The very concept of CHRISTIANITY contradicts and conflicts with the foundation of Islam".

12 December 2008 at 13:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Choudary is a cock end.

12 December 2008 at 14:05  
Blogger Christian-Jedi-Alliance said...

Where to begin? Firstly we are humble with the reply to our question and ask for forgiveness for thoughts that were in our mind.

We have heard it said that heaven and hell are the same place, or at least can seem to be. Two people at an opera, one is in Heaven the other in hell: Two people at a rock concert, one is in Heaven.

You don't see heaven until you see, and could it be that we don't see God until we have faces, like in C.S Lewis's book of the same name. Consider children, and their childish attitudes, they wish to be left alone in their limited and selfish worlds, and sometimes the idea of sharing is simply hell, and they will not see otherwise until they see.

Like God said to Job, "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Earth" We were certainly not by His side advising Him.

Job 38 (New International Version)

The LORD Speaks

1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:
2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel
with words without knowledge?

3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.

4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.

5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?

6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone-

7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?

8 "Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,

9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,

10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,

11 when I said, 'This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt'?

12 "Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,

13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?

14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.

15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.

16 "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?

17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death [b] ?

18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.

19 "What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?

20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?

21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!

22 "Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,

23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?

24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?

25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,

26 to water a land where no man lives,
a desert with no one in it,

27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?

28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?

29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens

30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?

31 "Can you bind the beautiful [c] Pleiades?
Can you loose the cords of Orion?

32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons [d]
or lead out the Bear [e] with its cubs?

33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God's [f] dominion over the earth?

34 "Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?

35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?

36 Who endowed the heart [g] with wisdom
or gave understanding to the mind [h] ?

37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens

38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?

39 "Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions

40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?

41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

12 December 2008 at 14:17  
Blogger The Half-Blood Welshman said...

If we're annoying this man, then clearly we're doing something very right indeed.

12 December 2008 at 15:39  
Blogger dizzyfatplonka said...

"If they boycott it there will be more not less muslim taxi drivers charging triple fares at Christmas."

No Nelson, when muslims are refusing to allow Evil Christmas shoppers into their cabs, they will soon be boycotted themselves. Believe me there will be less and in the credit crunch, our Christian Entrepreneurs could save the day.

12 December 2008 at 16:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"..and urged Muslims to have more babies to take over the UK’."

Pushing at an open door somewhat?

12 December 2008 at 19:04  
Blogger len.allan said...

Mr Choudary seems to be a stranger to the Christian Concepts of peace, goodwill,and respect for fellow human beings.
How does he equate his high religious morals with sponging off the state ?.

12 December 2008 at 19:22  
Blogger Reasonable Robinson said...

Hmmm to quote mandy rice davies in respect to what to he said "he would, wouldn't he"

I would be interested to hear more from this man about the purpose and aims of his claims. These seem somewhat opaque. He seems to anticipate a reaction based on some assumptions about his audience. What are these?

Is he life enhancing (biophilous) or life thwarting (necrophilous)? If the former then he can have no issue with Christmas as a benign fesitival celebrating something good from the point of view of both religions.

Was the comment about Turkey a self reference?

13 December 2008 at 00:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If these sods are so unhappy, why don't they go somewhere where they don't have to worry about this sort of thing?

13 December 2008 at 00:52  
Anonymous some bloke said...

Muslims are not foolish and will see that Anjem Choudary is making up his version of Islam as he goes along.
The Muslims that I speak to are embarrassed by the white liberal apologists who try to ban Christmas activities; confused as to why they presume to speak in the Muslims name and worried in case a backlash is aimed at them.

13 December 2008 at 04:31  
Anonymous Dave H. said...

It is deliberate (and openly admitted) policy for Islamic radicals to live on benefits: by leeching off Western society they weaken it and hasten its' downfall.

For Mr C. to rail against Christmas is nothing. You should have heard him on Hard Talk explaining how he regretted the loss of innocent lives of 7/7, then went on to explain that by 'innocent' he meant only the Muslim victims. The non-Muslim dead were guilty of rejecting God's law. He did not regret their deaths at all.

Though he is, as pointed out, British-born and with British citizenship, somehow I still can't help thinking we'd be a lot safer if he were living in Pakistan, the land of his parents.

The reality is the speed at our population is changing, we can look forward to many more like him. I wouldn't be surprised if this demographic experiment has a bad outcome.

13 December 2008 at 11:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A scripture for the said Mr Choudary to meditate upon:

If a man doesn't work he should not eat...Any man that does not provide for his own is worse than an infidel..

Get off the benefit and do some usefull work instead of pontificating on behalf of the idol you worship.

13 December 2008 at 11:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taking the piss. Simple as that.

13 December 2008 at 16:39  
Blogger Didactophobe said...

This clown makes two fundamental errors:

1. He confuses God, who loves his creation and who offers eternal life in his presence for those who believe, with Allah/Satan who seeks to condemn to death huge swathes of mankind.

2. He confuses the Christian Jesus who is divine; who died and was resurrected and who offers salvation to all those who have faith in him, with the Muslim Isa/Jesus who was none of these things and is clearly a different man entirely.

13 December 2008 at 17:13  
Anonymous bodica said...

Didactaphobe says it best. "Allah" is not the God of Israel, is diametrically opposed to Christ Jesus and His teachings.

"Allah" seeks the destruction of God's people and creation in the cruelest possible way.

Years back when I was naive, I expected them to join in the battle against abortion. The destruction of white Christian prenatal babies was of no concern to them. Their only interest was in proselytising.
If Chaudary is British born, then let him be charged with treason, hate crimes, incitement to riot, and let every rioting supporter without papers be summarily deported.
I think there's a place in Cuba that'll soon be vacant.

13 December 2008 at 17:29  
Anonymous shaven-headed tattooed knuckledragger said...

Bodica, Mr Chaudary should be allowed to stay free and given every opportunity to speak his mind, with maximum publicity. Every time he opens his mouth he recruits thousands of voters for ...

14 December 2008 at 11:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I trust he is not practising law in Britain. If he is, then he should be struck off.

As I understand it, he would not be able to practice law, without breaking the spirit of the law he is purportedly practising.

Called 'conflict of interest'

Perhaps someone could confirm this?

15 December 2008 at 19:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quite frankly if the UK is so repulsive to him I have four words 'bugger off back home!" or go live in Saudi and find yourself one class lower then you are here amongst your own so called muslim brothers.

15 December 2008 at 23:45  
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