Saturday, January 31, 2009

Sandhurst abolishes the Apostles’ Creed

Onward, Multi-Faith soldiers, marching as to war,
With the Qur’an of Mohammed, going on before.
Nanak, Buddha and Krishna, lead against the foe;
Forward into battle see the Jedi go!

Cranmer apologises for beginning with such trite levity, but he has had to contrive a means of deflecting from his fermenting anger and sheer incredulity at the news that the Royal Military Academy of Sandhurst has excised the reciting of the Apostles’ Creed from its church services, ‘over fears that it may offend religious minorities’.

This astonishing decision has been made by Sandhurst’s senior chaplain, the Reverend Jonathan Gough. And the man’s surname encapsulates precisely what Cranmer thinks of the decision. While worshippers are said to be ‘furious’ and ‘outraged’ that ‘centuries of religious tradition have been sacrificed for the sake of political correctness’, it is evident that this chaplain has little respect for Church tradition, even less appreciation of the Book of Common Prayer, and no understanding at all of the purpose of creeds.

How can a minister of the Church, a Christian leader, a shepherd of the sheep, eradicate from church services the Christian declaration of faith in God the Father Almighty, the Son and the Holy Spirit? The sense of incredulity is exacerbated when one considers that these services are not even compulsory for cadets, so any Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists and Jedi Knights are perfectly free not to attend; they are at liberty to avoid being offended.

If, indeed, any were.

For Cranmer is just ever so slightly curious to know if, in fact, the Reverend Jonathan Gough had received any complaints at all. And if he had, to which faith group did the offended cadet(s) belong? And did he ask this/these offended cadet(s) if they might be prepared to forego their own declaration of faith, lest their colleagues be offended?

Sandhurst’s senior chaplain has withdrawn the Creed simply for fear of offending non-believers and ‘to stop upsetting cadets who do not believe in God’. And Cranmer would bet his withered right arm that no offence had ever been reported and no cadets had ever been upset. The Reverend Jonathan simply wants services in the Royal Memorial Chapel to be ‘more inclusive’.

Cranmer is pleased this was not the overriding priority at Nicea or Chalcedon. The creeds included in the Book of Common Prayer – the Apostles’, the Nicene and that Athanasian – were developed to unite Christians and to refute heresy. One ought to be grateful that that the early ecumenical councils were more concerned with defining orthodoxy than with not offending Arius or making the Marcions feel more included. To eradicate the Creed is to abolish orthodoxy, which can only have the effect of welcoming the Arians and Marcions back into the fold.

But that, of course, is the Chaplain’s agenda. He is a former secretary for ecumenism to the Archbishop of Canterbury, and he is apparently so ecumenical that his services not only embrace the Arians and Marcians, but those of all faiths and none. If you wish to worship the tooth fairy or believe the moon is made of blue cheese, you are welcome to hear the Reverend Jonathan Gough preach at the Royal Memorial Chapel every week, and you are assured of warm and fluffy feelings. The cross he preaches is not made of harsh wood, and there are no sharp nails. Instead, he talks of a cross which is as comfortable as a duvet and as warm as toast. His Christianity has no time for fasting, inner conflict, spiritual warfare or hell, but endless feasting, chatting about heaven, being tolerant of everything and nice to everyone.

How does one preach to the heathen without causing some discomfort? How does one talk of the cross of Jesus Christ without causing offence?

Cranmer thinks the head of the British Army, General Sir Richard Dannatt , will not be too pleased to hear of the diminution of the Christian ethos of Her Majesty's Armed Forces. He has previously spoken of the ‘moral and spiritual vacuum’ which now permeates British society, and has warned of the religious forces which seek to undermine ‘our accepted way of life’. Sandhurst's senior chaplain ought to reflect on the words of his commanding officer just a few years ago. The General observed: 'Our society has always been embedded in Christian values; once you have pulled the anchor up there is a danger that our society moves with the prevailing wind.'

An Army spokesman has said that those who are angered by the decision to pull up the anchor of the Apostles' Creed 'should sit down with Reverend Gough for a cup of tea.’

The Reverend Gough?

Cranmer notes that Sandhurst is a Royal Military Academy, and so enjoys the patronage of the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, who swore at her Coronation to ‘uphold the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law’.

While Cranmer awaits his invitation to tea with the ‘Reverend Gough’, he shall be writing to Her Majesty to express his concern.

UPDATE: The Daily Mail link for this story has ominously disappeared. One can do a search, and the story heading is still prominently linked. The content has been expunged. One wonders why. Surely they did not fabricate or exaggerate this story? Not The Daily Mail, surely.


Anonymous MrDavies said...

When I say to the Reverend "for Gough" I mean it as an imperative, not a statement of support.

31 January 2009 at 10:20  
Anonymous Hank Petram said...

Your Grace,

Mr Gough based his decision, you say, on “fears” that the creed might cause offence. Is fear now a virtue to be inculcated in officer cadets at Sandhurst? Is fear a value, is it meritorious? Should it not rather be regarded as a weakness to be overcome? I believe that has been the usual Army approach.

Your blessing, my Lord.

31 January 2009 at 10:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Slightly off topic but my grandfather's brother was a churchman during WW1. From his congregation of 650 families, 769 men went to war. The strain of consoling these families caused him to have breakdown, after which he (aged 62) went into the trenches to make tea for the soldiers. It's incredibly different to what we see today, isn't it?

31 January 2009 at 10:42  
Anonymous Nelson said...

Wretched, Gutless, Fearful a total cowardly disgrace & an offence to God,"Whosoever denies Me before men, I will deny before my Father in Heaven". See how much your fear & PC will count for then reverend Gough.

31 January 2009 at 10:53  
Blogger Microcosm said...

Its a revolutionary ideological war being fought right before your very eyes, the reason you cannot see it is because you do not equate the final outcome of zionism with bolshevism.

Thus you support your own enemy and pass the ammunition, only to then question why you keep getting shot in the arse.

The ideological war has already warped the mind successfully enough to make men come to the ilogical conclusion, were in the very Jews against zionists must be anti-semites.

This war will not be fought or won in Royal Military Academies or on battle fields but in the minds of men.

31 January 2009 at 11:12  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

I'm convinced this is all leading to the rise of the Anti-Christ. The Bible predicts it. At least those of us who have true faith have a future assured in heaven.

31 January 2009 at 11:36  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The Book of Common Prayer serves to reveal the Anglican and highlight those who are Enemies Within.

Any Anglican body which rejects the one Liturgy recognised by law and upon which the Church of England is based is no longer recognisable as the Church of Cranmer and of Christian Heritage in these islands.

31 January 2009 at 13:10  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The Archbishop of Canterbury's Secretary for Ecumenical Affairs:
The Reverend Jonathan Gough
Lambeth Palace, London SE1 7JU
T: + 44 20 7898 1200 (Palace switchboard)

17 July 2001

The Archbishop of Canterbury has appointed the Revd Jonathan Gough as his
Officer for Ecumenism in succession to the Revd Canon Dr Richard Marsh.

Jonathan Gough is currently Senior Chaplain at the Army Foundation College
in Harrogate, Yorkshire. Following his ordination in 1985, he served four
years as a curate in North Devon and in Gloucester. Since 1989 he has held a
series of appointments within the Royal Army Chaplains department.

This experience of Army chaplaincy has seen him undertake two tours of
Northern Ireland (Omagh and Portadown), three tours of Bosnia, and nearly a
year spent as Senior Chaplain to the British Forces in Kosovo from August
1999-February 2000. This posting involved working with an international
ecumenical team as well as close liaison with the Serb Orthodox Church.

As an Army Chaplain, Mr Gough has always worked in ecumenical teams,
sometimes internationally, sharing churches and congregations with priests
and ministers of different denominations. He greatly values the insights of
different traditions, and different worship practices.

Mr Gough said, "I believe that the unity of the Body of Christ is a matter
of great urgency and passionate concern. I am very pleased to be bringing
experiences of working in different countries, and of ecumenical sharing,
gained as an Army chaplain to support the Archbishop in this vital aspect of
his ministry."

Mr Gough, 39, is married to the Revd Flora Winfield, who is Secretary for
Local Unity at the Council for Christian Unity, Church House, Westminster.
He will take up his appointment at Lambeth Palace in the Autumn.

31 January 2009 at 13:15  
Blogger Willie said...

I was a chorister in the RMC when at Sandhurst. It is the most magnificent setting in which to remember those who have served and died. I belong to the school of thought that believes in an omnipotent God who gives us the tools to make war and yet weeps over each and every life lost. We have no right to excuse war through his name, however. I think that is a pretty normal view amongst soldiers. Offensive? I doubt it. I wonder what is going on here. Removing the key part of one's belief because of its potential to cause offence? To whom? Isn't it better to abolish war which tends to cause extreme and actual offence to many more?
I bet the Army spokesman was not an Officer (bearing in mind that Geoff Hoon politicised the press information branch).
What does the Chaplain General think? Or the Commandant?
What do cadets think about pandering to those they might have to go and kill in Afghanistan? Not much moral support from those whose job is to give it and I wonder how attendances at Sunday service will hold up.

31 January 2009 at 14:07  
Blogger Peter O said...

Your Grace,

Examining the rubric of Common Worship, I discover the following instruction:

3 Principal Services and Principal Holy Days
An authorized confession and absolution, and the Apostles' Creed or another Creed or authorized Affirmation of Faith, and a sermon, must be included in Morning or Evening Prayer when it is the principal service on a Sunday or Principal Holy Day, but may be omitted at other times.

The rubric for the Eucharist is equally clear:

On Sundays and Principal Holy Days an authorized translation of the Nicene Creed is used, or on occasion the Apostles' Creed or an authorized Affirmation of Faith may be used.

If Mr Gough is removing the Apostles' Creed from his principle services then he is not only extremely unwise, but also acting illegally.

31 January 2009 at 14:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jonathan Gough, b. 1962, U of Wales (Lampeter) BA 1983, St Stpehen's House Oxford 1983-85, Abp Sec for Ecum Affairs, 2001.

What else could you expect from such a Staggeringly glorious lineage?

31 January 2009 at 15:12  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

Now would be a good time General Dannat, I'm sure you'd receive popular support from the Real British People.

31 January 2009 at 15:22  
OpenID BL@KBIRD said...

What did Pink Floyd always say?

"All in all, it's just another burka in the wall."

31 January 2009 at 16:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Religion sacrificed for Political Correctness?
Political Correctness IS the new religion!
Only thing is, it won`t get you born again,
It won`t make atonement between man and God,
It won`t wash away your sins,
It won`t get you into heaven.
What will Political Correctness do , it will make you conform to whatever politicians want you to be!

31 January 2009 at 16:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rev 3:16
"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,I will spue thee out of my mouth.
This is a warning to all christians. Jesus Christ called the Laodicean christians vomit.

31 January 2009 at 16:58  
Blogger McKenzie said...

What are we to make of all these things? Are we doomed, or is there a bright side to it all?

Personally I believe that we are all so busy fighting each other over the rights of those we think need saving, when all the while those very schemers are plotting our downfall. AND DOWN WE ARE FALLING....DOWN I SAY!!

When we become the minority, which wont be too far away, are we to suppose that we will be given the same consideration? GASP! The very thought sends quivers of horror....

31 January 2009 at 18:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is simply an establishment agenda.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with pleasing ethnic minorities. I FACT in the long run it is PERFECTLY DESIGNED to cause RACISM among as many people as it can.

I would comfortably wager my house that no protests have come from any serving member of the armed forces against the Christian faith.

Not that is without the establishment conspiring for there to be such a thing.

It is not Muslims, Hindus are Jews who are driving this divisive agenda. It is our own world and British establishments.

A New World Order requires the existence of a ONE WORLD RELIGION.

As far as the establishment of the world is concerned. This particular religion has existed at the top of society since way before Jesus was a twinkle in the eye of God.

The ABofC is a HIGH DRUID. Is there any reason for me to say more on this subject?

All fundamentalist religions are destined for the scrap yard of history, if the now WORLD establishment gets its way.

All they are waiting for is there NEW Jesus to come of age. While they earnestly create the conditions suitable for his arrival.

Which is at least 10 years of absolute or virtual civil brake down, caused mainly by equally horrendous and massively murderous world economic chaos.

The Muslim fundamental religion has been SET-UP by its own establishment in conspiracy with our own, to get finally shafted if not also materially destroyed.

To me this is self apparent. I cant really understand why it is not also to the rest of humanity?

I cant be the only person in UK with eyes to see and a mind to understand them. The truth is staring humanity full square in the face.

None are more blind then those too scared half to death by their own state media, to see.

None are more enslaved, then those that believe their state propagandists ever tells the real truth about anything. Therefore those that are well and truly conned into believing they ever were in any way FREE, since they painfully emerged from their mothers birth canal.

Atlas Shrugged

31 January 2009 at 18:16  
Blogger McKenzie said...

I say the root of all our problems lie squarely with 'Market Forces'. Ha! Bloody Market Forces eh!

Anyway here is a link to The White House blog and today's weekly presidential address. Do check out some of the Federal Agencies...weird.

31 January 2009 at 18:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its a revolutionary ideological war being fought right before your very eyes, the reason you cannot see it is because you do not equate the final outcome of zionism with bolshevism.


Zionism is controlled by EXACTLY the same people who controlled The Bolshevic Party, and therefore the USSR until it supposedly collapsed.

Some of these people are indeed JEWS. However the vast majority are anything but JEWS. By far and away the greatest and most powerful ZIONISTS are The Roman Empires Church.

However, even a power as incredibly powerful as The Roman Empires Church, could not possibly pull off this scam, all by themselves.

( Only dont tell the people of Israel this, because they will very understandably shit their collective pants. Many Israeli's do actually read their bible, unlike UK church goers, so they know what it says on the subject of Jews returning to there homeland. )

Our own World establishment set up the state of Israel and have been using its existence as a TOOL against the rest of the world and the innocent ordinary Israeli and Arab people, ever since.

This MUST be true otherwise we would have had peace in the middle East many years ago.

The World establishment does not in anyway shape or form want or desire any such thing. Which is why we do not have any such thing. Whats worse we currently have absolutely no visible prospect of achieving any at all.

This can only be achieved once the establishment has brought forward its new 'savior' of humanity. At this point we will see The Anti-Christ in ACTION, for better and very possibly for far far worse.

Atlas shrugged

31 January 2009 at 19:03  
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31 January 2009 at 20:17  
Blogger Stefan said...

"Atlas shrugged" - please stop posting, I am tired of reading your incoherent, paranoid rants on this blog.

31 January 2009 at 21:49  
Anonymous Snaresbrook Owl said...

"Atlas shrugged" - keep posting sunshine.

You are absolutely right. There is
a hidden agenda behind the scenes,
linked to the drive for One World Government or the New Word Order as
described by President George Bush snr in his speech in 1991.

This is a deliberate attack on Christianity. There is a plan to enforce a One World Religion on us. It has it's origins in the New Age Movement, which when I was young I thought might be complimentary to Christianity, but which I now see is it's deadly enemy.

Stefan - Yes Atlas shrugged may be ranting, but he is not paranoid.
Anybody who has read Bunyan's "Holy War" will understand.

31 January 2009 at 22:53  
OpenID mckenziefly said...

Just testing a new situation. Yeah its all very strange.

31 January 2009 at 23:08  
Anonymous Shaven-headed tattooed knuckledragger said...

"Nurse suspended for offering to pray for elderly patient's recovery

Caroline Petrie, a committed Christian, has been accused by her employers of failing to demonstrate a "personal and professional commitment to equality and diversity".

She faces disciplinary action and could lose her job over the incident.

Mrs Petrie, a married mother of two, says she has been left shocked and upset by the action taken against her.

She insists she has never forced her own religious beliefs on anyone but politely inquired if the elderly patient wanted her to pray for her – either in the woman's presence or after the nurse had left the patient's home.

"I simply couldn't believe that I have been suspended over this. I knew I hadn't done anything wrong. All I am trying to do is help my patients, many of whom want me to pray for them," she said.

31 January 2009 at 23:42  
OpenID BL@KBIRD said...

The Roman Empires Church?

Hey Atlas, can't you invent a more plausible name than that? Heh!

Your Grace, is this your court fool? He needs new material and a less zombie tard approach to life.

1 February 2009 at 00:58  
Blogger nehamashira said...

What kind of world are we living in? Hatred is being preached by a violent and intolerant religion under the pretense of having been "offended" by the very existence of faiths contrary to its own belief. A country that has as the core of its very being, a doctrine of "love thy neighbour as thyself" is being cowed into submission by a self-pitying tyrant. I have absolutely NO sympathy for the whinings of British Muslims, or for their outrageous attitudes of entitlement. Let Britain remain a CHRISTIAN country. May God save our Queen (because, as a Canadian, she is STILL my Queen), and make her into a true Champion of Judeo-Christian ethos.
As a palliative care nurse, it also disgusts me that a nurse should be dismissed for merely offering to pray for a patient. Did she try to convert the patient? For all we know, the patient may have requested prayer. I am a Jew, but I am not offended when a Christian requests or offers prayer. Is God not loving to all who seek to know Him/Her?
I close by saying that it is time to stop caving in to these Muslim bullies. The only language they seem to know or respect is that of strength. Democracy is being used against its very self.

1 February 2009 at 02:21  
Blogger Fergus Carrick said...

Preach it, Your Grace. I recall that our Lord was not shy at making His listeners uncomfortable if it brought them to knowledge of the one true God. If is sad that his disciples have lost the courage to follow his example.

1 February 2009 at 02:50  
Blogger shergar said...

AS Rod Liddle says:

The senior chaplain at Sandhurst has banned the Church of England creed from his services for fear that it might upset those cadets who do not believe in God, or believe in a different God.
There will still be Christian services – just that in future they’ll miss out the bit where you say how you believe in Jesus Christ, his dad, his mum, the crucifixion, the resurrection and so on.
Do you ever get the feeling with the Church of England that their heart isn’t really in it?

1 February 2009 at 10:22  
Anonymous len said...

Christianity without Christ!!
A bit like having a car but no fuel!
This IS satans objective to emasculate christianity ,a pity so many in the church are helping him do it!.
These weak lily- livered `christians` are going to be spewed out of the mouth of Christ like the vomit they are!

1 February 2009 at 10:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who needs enemies with friends like these...

The Reverend Jonathan Gough CF
01276 412200 (office) 07789 272213 (mobile)

1 February 2009 at 14:03  
Blogger len said...

Rev Gough,
What exactly do you stand for?

1 February 2009 at 15:15  
Blogger Sam Norton said...

I would be interested to know the legal status of the chapel; I suspect it is different to that of a parish - and what he has done would be illegal in a parish as the Creed is required to be recited in the main act of worship on a Sunday. (It's not a requirement in every service.)

1 February 2009 at 20:58  
Blogger DP111 said...


We can stand up to Muslims as much as you like, but the real threat to all Western countries, Canada more then most, is the very huge birth rate of Muslims. They will soon, in historic terms, be the majority in Canada, UK, France etc, and then sharia will be introduced quite legitamately via parliament.

Unless this main threat is addressed, we might just as well enjoy the remaining few years of freedom.

1 February 2009 at 23:31  
Blogger DP111 said...

What a strange nation England has evolved into. Our Christian pastors are afraid to offend religious minorities, and most importantly not to offend the followers of Mohammed, but they are not afraid to offend God, and to betray Jesus.

1 February 2009 at 23:38  
Anonymous bob said...

This is a very sad development for the empire. It marks the beginning notes of the dirge for the proud English tradition at Sandhurst. We might as well begin to sing the nunc dimitis for the empire. The two twin pillars that upheld it has finally crumbled: the church and the proud military tradition. God save the empire!!

2 February 2009 at 00:38  
Blogger it's either banned or compulsory said...

Isn't that Prince Harrys' little 'Paki' mate , 6th from the left, back row ?
Did anyone ask him if he was offended by Christians practising Christianity in a Christian land ?

2 February 2009 at 03:09  
Anonymous james w said...

Does this buffoon still permit the Glory be ... to be sung at the end of the psalms.

2 February 2009 at 13:06  
Anonymous ahem said...

It all becomes clear once you realize that such people are not actually Christians, they're secularists. Just as leftists fly under the flag of 'liberals', so they fly under the flag of 'Christians'. But we should call them what they really are: useful idiots.

You can tell them from Christians by their interest in environmentalism, gender equity, and equal rights for pedophiles and suicide bombers. They are distinguishable chiefly by their desire to throw away hundreds of years of high-minded ethical aspirations in the interest of committing cultural suicide before the radical Muslims decapitate them.

Philosophically, Leftism is a flesh-eating bacteria. It's killed the COE--face it, this is true--and it's damaged the Roman Catholic church, perhaps mortally. These are the same incurious cretins who voted for Obama.

3 February 2009 at 01:47  
Anonymous More tea, vicar? said...

I have to say, reading this web site for the first time (found it on Google), what a bunch of bigotted and self-opinionated people you are. None of you knows Rev Gough personally or the facts of the case at the RMA. I know some of the people involved in this story, and this is NOT a case of woolly liberals watering down the faith. If you want some real Christianity, read Matthew 7:1-5 and Romans 14:4,10.

5 February 2009 at 22:27  
Anonymous whatever said...

The facts tell a different story!.

8 February 2009 at 16:51  
Blogger dmk said...

well, well, well, perhaps you shouldn't always believe everything you read in the Mail:

12 February 2009 at 11:20  
Blogger dmk said...

sorry, I'll try that link again:


you'll need to paste in both lines of code, which should take you to an Army Rumour Service forum.

12 February 2009 at 12:41  

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