Thursday, January 15, 2009

Sir Gerald Kaufman MP: Israel is giving Gaza ‘the reply of the Nazis’

This is a curious interjection from someone who was brought up as ‘an orthodox Jew and Zionist’.

Sir Gerald Kaufman is a man whom Cranmer has always held in high esteem. Of course he does not agree with him on everything, but there are certain Socialists – Frank Field, Tony Benn, Gisela Stuart, Kate Hoey - for whom Cranmer has a high degree of respect.

But to compare, as Sir Gerald has done, the actions of Israel to those of Nazi Germany is a perverse analysis. Hamas has far more in common with the Nazis, and Sir Gerald appears to be blind to the fact. So much so that he has demanded that the Government impose an arms embargo on Israel. He said: “It is time for our Government to make clear to the Israeli government that its conduct and policies are unacceptable and to impose a total arms ban on Israel."

Sir Gerald told MPs: "My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town... a German soldier shot her dead in her bed. My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploit the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."

He said the claim that large numbers of the Palestinian victims were militants ‘was the reply of the Nazi’ and added: "I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants."

He was sufficiently prescient to observe that Hamas was a ‘deeply nasty organisation’ but asserts that the fact that they were democratically elected renders them ‘the only game in town’.

Cranmer thought that was Solitaire.

Sir Gerald made a call for peace, specifying ‘real peace’.

And he thinks this will achieved by dialogue with Hamas.

Cranmer is sorry (quite genuinely) that Sir Gerald’s grandmother was shot dead in her bed, but begs him to understand that there are quite a few Palestinians who think Hamas have more in common with the Nazis than Israel ever could. And to dismiss Israel as ‘war criminals’ and ‘fools’ is folly itself.

Cranmer has one thing to say to Sir Gerald:

83 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zionism always had a militaristic side and maintained a working relationship with the Nazis, as both shared the same goal of relocating Germany's Jewish community. The early Zionists (who were predominantly German) wanted to get fit young fighters into Palestine, then bring in arms and expel the indigenous people. Terrorism followed, aimed at the British. There were no scruples about this and it was all done to a (Germanic style) plan. That the country has turned out as it has is no surprise if one explores the history.

15 January 2009 at 19:01  
Blogger Witterings From Witney said...

Your Grace makes more than one valid point.

As I tried, in my simplistic way to point out, in my post 'What constitutes proportionate force' - link:http://witteringsfromwitney.blogspot.com/2009/01/what-constitutes-proportionate-force.html
whilst this subject is complex, it boils down to one basic question - who started this latest confrontation in the first place?

Israel exists - statement of fact. To others I say accept it and work with it otherwise there will never be any peace in anyone's lifetime.

As far as this latest pronouncement is concerned - I would have thought someone, obviously 'learned' would have thought about what he was going to say before he put both feet into his mouth!

15 January 2009 at 19:40  
Blogger len.allan said...

I wonder how Sir Gerald would have felt if he had had been a recipient of one of hamas`s rockets!.
I think Sir Gerald likes to be controversial which brings him free publicity.

15 January 2009 at 20:24  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Its not going to get any better is it?

15 January 2009 at 20:34  
Blogger Microcosm said...

Interesting reflections, I can foresee that Zionist Propaganda picture being used against the Brits in the near future, when we refuse to recognise the EUs right to exist.

Yes when we are all militants.

15 January 2009 at 20:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sir Gerald Kaufman is a disgrace to his people. he is completely unaware of the way things are here in israel.
maybe if he was so committed to his opinions and his family that was really slaughtered by animals, he would come here to the only place in the world in which a jewish person could leave freely.
it's the easiest thing on earth to judge the people of israel from far away britain. but we had and will continue to have missiles on our heads for the rest of our lifes here..
and nobody cares because they say that if we have good basements to protect us and there are very few casualties thats enough for us..
no it's not.

15 January 2009 at 21:11  
Blogger Frugal Dougal said...

Kaufman's remark about Hamas being "the only game in town" because it is democratically elected speaks volumes about how Labour sees itself in "democratic" Britain.

If he wants a rapprochement between Jews and Muslims, perhaps his efforts would be better expended trying to persuade Muslim-owned bookshops and newsagents in London from selling Mein Kampf.

15 January 2009 at 21:12  
Blogger len.allan said...

Anon 21:11 There are many Christians in the U K and worldwide who are 100% behind Gods plans for Israel which will come to pass.

15 January 2009 at 21:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please let us not be too harsh on someone who is blinded to the truth. For I too used to think that the only thing Israel had learned in the last war was how to mimic the SS.

But God is merciful and patient. He put a lot of work into educating me, often against my will. And now I can see His true right and wrong in this situation. The things that worked for me were prayer and showing how scripture and I were separate, and we shouldn't have been as it is the Word of the one true God.

15 January 2009 at 21:54  
Blogger UK Expat said...

I haven't a comment on Kaufman's comparison to the Nazis, but I would like to point out that an arms ban would have zero effect.

I wouldn't imagine Israel has much use for arms from the UK, given the fact that i is being supported to the tune of 30 billion USD from 2007-2017 by the US Govt.

I myself try to remain neutral on the topic of Israel and her neighbors, but I would venture to suggest that if a country needs 3 billion USD a year in military aid to secure its borders, then it is quite obviously fighting a losing battle on the diplomacy front.

15 January 2009 at 22:09  
Blogger Tommy 3 Lions said...

Kaufman has sold out or lost the plot. Surely he knows what is actually going on out there or does he have shares in the bbc?

15 January 2009 at 22:13  
Blogger Manicbeancounter said...

Let us forgive Sir Gerald. Many are blinded by the numbers of dead, and not be the source of the aggression.
Hamas and Hezbollah know that they will gain both a political victory with the outside world and enforce the hatred of the Palestinians towards the Israelis.
The mark of which side we should take is the ones who have said they will stop the fighting, if the other side stops. It is also the side that recognizes that peace can only come by having both a Palestinian AND an Israeli state. It does not matter whether you believe an Israel should shrink to downtown Tel Aviv or Palestine should be confined to the Gaza Strip.
If we are to seek peace, we must mark as outcasts those who seek peace only by the annihilation of the other side. We must listen to them, but then have the courage to say they are wrong.
If Sir Gerald supports democracy, would he accept a BNP member of the House of Commons if they won 80% of the vote? If he would not, then he must not support Hamas, for their intolerance, nationalism and racial hatred are far worse than the BNP. In fact they would have been outlawed.

15 January 2009 at 23:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kaufmann is a personna non grata in the Jewish community. The man is an utter disgrace.

16 January 2009 at 01:01  
Blogger jailhouselawyer said...

"But to compare, as Sir Gerald has done, the actions of Israel to those of Nazi Germany is a perverse analysis".

Bullshit.

Israel is attacking innocent women and children and the UN. They are not terrorist.

How convenient you forget to mention that Israel put Palestinian refugees in a so-called safe-house and then less than 24 hours later blew them up. The Nazi put Jews etc into so-called showers and then gassed them. There is no difference. Save for unless Israel is stopped in its tracks the death toll could rise to 6 million!

I have no time for Kaufman, generally, but on this occasion we are in agreement.

Given Israel's actions, it is understandable why Hamas feels the need to protect themselves by wiping the obvious war criminals off the face off the earth.

I challenge you to tell me what those innocent Palestinian children and women have done to deserve being targeted and killed by Israel. What Israel has done amounts to war crimes which the Nazis committed.

This is not Entebee where Israel was justified.

The whole world needs to put these damned Jews in their place once and for all. They may practice their religion. They are not entitled to any land let alone a state.

16 January 2009 at 01:33  
Blogger Alcuin said...

Frank Field, Gisela Stuart, Kate Hoey

OK with them but Benn is and always was a useless poseur who only had ears for his own voice. Kaufman has never amounted to much, and his contributions in the HoC have been inconsequential.

16 January 2009 at 01:35  
Blogger Spartan said...

One wonders why lsrael is attracting so much attention? ls it because there are over 1000 Palestinian casualties?

That being the case, why no protests about the Congo? ... 9,500,000 casualties.

For Kaufmann (and Jailhouselawyer) to compare the Nazis to the Israelis is completely farcical and shows absolutely no understanding or knowledge of the Third Reich.

lf Israel was indeed like the Third Reich there would be no Arab Nations at all.

16 January 2009 at 02:01  
Blogger jailhouselawyer said...

Spartan: Your knowledge may well be.

I will say this slowly and perhaps you can grasp it this time.

The Nazis told the Jews etc they were getting a shower and instead gassed them.

Israel told Palestinian women and children they were going into a safe-house but instead it wasn't a safe-house at all because the Israelis then bombed them to death.

What part of that similarity do you not understand?

16 January 2009 at 02:08  
Blogger Spartan said...

Jailhouselawyer ... because there is no similarity.

lsraelis ... You quote 'an incident' that happened in a war zone and was akin to 'friendly fire' by lsraeli forces causing 30 casualties to a group of civilians placed in a safehouse 24 hrs previously.

Nazis ... June 10th 1944,Oradour-Sur-Glane, France. 120 man SS unit rounded up village inhabitants and seperated men from women and children. 196 men were taken and shot. 452 women and children herded into church where most were suffocated by smoke grenades or killed by shrapnel grenades thrown into nave. Any survivors of this were then killed by machine guns which raked the interior or were burned alive when Church was burnt out.

16 January 2009 at 03:50  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The early Zionists (who were predominantly German) wanted to get fit young fighters into Palestine, then bring in arms ..... There were no scruples about this and it was all done to a (Germanic style)

What an insight you give into your mental condition. You certainly have idee fixe about Germans and tie your two hate figures together in a bizarre fashion.

It is Russia not Germany that inspired Zionism especially under the rule of Alexander III

16 January 2009 at 04:10  
Anonymous Voyager said...

I wouldn't imagine Israel has much use for arms from the UK

Au contraire, Britain imports arms from Israel. No doubt British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq can do without certain types of equipment - if it makes Kaufman more acceptable as a former Zionist to his Asian and African constituents in Manchester Gorton

16 January 2009 at 04:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Voyager,

"It is Russia not Germany..." - not so. The Zionist Organization was based in Germany until the middle of WW 1, around the time of Balfour, when it moved to Denmark. The German Zionists were later to become quite well connected with the Nazis and other international fascists. In Germany they were able to run training camps (under the Star of David flag) to prepare the young settlers for their move to Palestine. Prominent Nazis even visited Palestine as Zionist guests, much to the chagrin of the British who ordered them out.

Russian persecution may have played a powerful role in creating support for the Zionist ideal. But the driving forces were in Germany.

16 January 2009 at 07:22  
Anonymous matt said...

For the UK government to take any action against Israel would be vastly hypocritical. Not so long ago, we invaded Iraq, because we disliked their regime, with very vague intentions, massive civilian casualties and they didn't even pose a direct threat to us. Israel is invading Gaza, but they have a plan, civilian casualties, although regrettable, have been few and some are directly attributable to the actions of hamas, and the disliked regime (hamas) really does threaten Israelis on a day-to-day basis.

This doesn't mean that the Israelis are justified in all the actions they have taken. It just means that if we are criticising the Israeli's invasion of Gaza, how much more wrong was it to invade Iraq? We have no moral platform to stand on.

16 January 2009 at 08:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A couple of quotes.

Few would dispute that Theodor Herzl was an/the original 'driving force' for Zionism as a political ideal. Here are some lines from his Wikipedia entry to back up my statement about the movement's German roots:

"As a young man, Herzl was engaged in a Burschenschaft association, which strove for German unity under the motto Ehre, Freiheit, Vaterland ("Honor, Freedom, Fatherland"), and his early work did not focus on Jewish life."

"Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State, 1896) written in German, was the book that announced the advent of Zionism to the world."

16 January 2009 at 08:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ps. Previous comment addressed to 'Voyager'

16 January 2009 at 08:08  
Blogger len.allan said...

Until the true nature of the battle between Jew and arab is realised all comments and opinions are useless because they are not based on the full facts.
As I have said before only God will resolve this battle,which is a spiritual one.

16 January 2009 at 08:18  
Blogger Andy said...

Jailhouse Lawyer


The difference is down to intent. I could accidentally run over a child on the way to work but that does not make me the same as Iain Huntley does it.
Sure the Israelis bombed a house by mistake but you can't claim that some Nazi accidentally filled the showers with gas and turned it on.
Mistakes happen and the Israelis should rightly get grief for that, but you need to separate out mistakes that happen in an over the top war from systematic slaughter, planned from the highest level and targeted specifially at civilians.
You do yourself no justice with such a simplistic post.

16 January 2009 at 08:24  
Anonymous Voyager said...

You imply that being German or associated with Germany is somehow evil or suspect viz "Germanic style"

That Zionist Organisation of Germany was in Germany is hardly a surprise...and really there is little difference between Zionism and the desire for a state and Jinnah's efforts to gain areas of the Indian Subcontinent from Britain for a Pakistan entity through threats of communal violence and pressuring Louis Mountbatten

16 January 2009 at 08:24  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Voyager,

It was not the "Zionist Organization of Germany" it was the [World] Zionist Organization. It was the hub of the movement.

Had pre WW 2 Palestine been populated by English Jews (unlikely, I will grant you) rather Germans, things might have been quite different. If nothing else, the Palestinians would probably be beating us at cricket.

16 January 2009 at 08:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Len,

Before all this started, there were such people as 'Arab Jews'. As there were 'Arab Christians'. Check it out. Both have been victims of [Germanic] Ashkenazi Zionism.

16 January 2009 at 08:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is absolutely amazing that otherwise sane people become insane when it comes to the Israel/Palestine matter.



An entire people have been thrown out of their homes, rounded up in refugee camps and have been subjected to unspeakable hardship for 6 decades, from before the time Hamas existed.



Ever since I can remember we only hear about Israel's right to exist. Yes there are Palestinians that say there should be no Israel but these are only words, words compared to Israeli deeds. Israel never says that Palestine has no right to exist it just goes about methodically making sure that it never will. Who can deny that Palestinian land, if you can call it that, is shrinking steadily, and now only consists of pockets, with an Israeli checkpoint between every two pockets.



Can anyone sane claim that Israel recognizes the Palestinian right to exist? Why is it that after wiping Palestine off the map Israel is considered the victim and the Palestinians are considered the aggressors? Amazing!

16 January 2009 at 09:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can just imagine, Jesus, Moses, Abraham, Noah, Adam all sitting and watching Gaza burn and cheering "go Israel go, drop another bomb, don't forget to use the white phosphorous, burn them, kill them, go go go!"

Shame on all of you for saying this is Gods plan's! Shame on you for believing that God is unjest!

16 January 2009 at 09:17  
Anonymous Thats News said...

‘...deeply nasty organisation’ but asserts that the fact that they were democratically elected renders them ‘the only game in town’.

So Gerald would have stood out against the decision of Britain to declare war on Germany in 1939? "Oh, well, they are the democratically elected government, so are the only game in town.'

The man is an idiot.

16 January 2009 at 09:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Carnmer cartoon is very ironic. Since when has Israel hesitated in killing Palestininan babies? Any Palestinian will tell you that hiding behind your baby does not work, the Israelis will pull the trigger anyways!

16 January 2009 at 10:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is the job of the UN to sort out these sort of problems. It is the job of the UN to make sure these type of problems do not happen in the first place.

However the organization was set up by a bunch of international banksters, and so was designed to fail ordinary people, as was the League of Nations.

Which is why The UN not only fails, it sponsors and encourages international and national terrorism, when not simply managing conflicts like some kind of modern day highly bloodthirsty football match.

It is designed to fail for several reasons, all of them very nasty indeed. Here are just two of the most salient reasons.

1. So that arms and drugs dealers can make billions out of the misery of others.

2 So that their will eventually be calls from the media and especially the BBC, for much greater powers to the UN and world government in general to murder and control even more people then it already DAILY does.

All systems created by THE SYSTEM are designed to fail for this reason. Which include absolutely everything, from social services, to independent national governments.

All armed conflicts are sponsored by the big money as Orwell worked out in the 30's. AK47 can be made in a garage but they very rarely are.

We live in a world where our own government knows every detail of our personal lives and can read a news-paper from earths orbit. But apparently can not stop container fulls of illegal drugs and arms circulating around the world.

The truth is the SYSTEM could very easily stop all wars and illegal drugs by 12 O'clock tomorrow morning if the people who ultimately control the system wanted to. The System does not, because the people who ultimately control the system are the promoters of official and unofficial wars and widespread legal and illegal drug addiction.

It was self apparent at the time of Jesus that the world was run by EVIL, which inhabited the hearts of men. However two thousand years ago there was no BBC. These days people trust their media, in those days people had MORE common sense.

The BBC works for the same people who created The UN. Which is why the BBC promotes death and violence where ever it go's. Often the death and violence does not even start until the BBC, AP, Reuters or the UN get their TV cameras set up.

This world is like a cross between a bloody Broadway show and a game of Chess. Where we are just the expendable pawns. The book makers are bribing both sides, and the producers of the show, largely work for the BBC.

Sir Gerald is either mad, very bad, or simply needs to cover up some past immoral sexual encounter. He as much, if not more them most, must know how the world really works. He must know that wearing T-shirts with ignorance written on the front of it, will not, because it never has ever in the past changed anything.

The system is rotten from the very top down. Which is why its media ( ie The BBC among all of the others ) mind control the population into believing it is rotten from the very bottom up.

The BBC itself being the absolute last thing the BBC blames for international terrorism. When common sense must surly indicate that the BBC in particular is international terrorism best and most reliable long term friend.

Atlas Shrugged

16 January 2009 at 10:43  
Anonymous Big Jock Knew said...

Kaufmann is slime. If you are on your metal a bit of googling will show this

16 January 2009 at 10:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>>Anon 21:11 There are many Christians in the U K and worldwide who are 100% behind Gods plans for Israel which will come to pass.<<<<<

God's plan for Israel shall come to pass whether UK, US or other Christians or ayone else are behind it or not.

Dissenter

16 January 2009 at 11:50  
Anonymous Jim C said...

Yes there are Palestinians that say there should be no Israel but these are only words

Yes, only words.
Only words and rockets.
Only words, rockets, and suicide bombers.
Only words...

16 January 2009 at 12:55  
Blogger hipipol said...

As we live in a free society Gerald Kaufman is free to say what he likes. He has long been a citic of Israels actions towards the Palestinians and he is entirely right in doing so. Israel is a racist militarised state which has through long term propoganda concinced its citzens of the dictum that might is right - 3 Irsaeli civilian deaths from Palestinian rocket fire, over 1000, including hundreds of children, Palestinian (there would have been on average 25 deaths on Israels roads during this 20 day period, how dangerous is a Qassim then?).
He is only pointing out the obvious truth - Israels actions are very similar to the Third Reichs at the start of WW2

16 January 2009 at 12:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One for Jailhouse Lawyer:

Save Gaza by Destroying the Heart of Terror: Natan Sharansky
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Commentary by Natan Sharansky

Jan. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Israel’s war in Gaza has been met with cries of protest around the world. They come from two sources.

First, there are those who oppose any Israeli effort to defend itself, mainly because they don’t believe a Jewish state should exist at all. This is a form of anti-Semitism, and such a view should be rejected outright rather than argued with.

Second, there are those who support Israel’s existence, but believe it is wrong to wage so harsh an assault on the Gaza Strip. This argument also takes two forms: First, that Israel’s response is disproportionate and therefore wrong; and second, that there are less violent ways to handle Hamas -- through international pressure, sanctions or negotiations.

Both of these claims, as logical as they may sound, ignore the lessons of history, including Israel’s recent history in fighting terror. In the 10 years I served as a minister in Israel’s security cabinet, I learned just how mistaken such arguments can be.

On June 1, 2001, a suicide bomber attacked the entrance to the Dolphinarium discotheque in Tel Aviv. Twenty-one Israelis, mostly young people, were killed, and more than 130 injured. This was the latest in a long string of suicide bombings that had been launched since the start of the Second Intifada in September 2000.

Practicing Restraint

The next day, I took part in a dramatic cabinet meeting to discuss our options -- a Sabbath-day meeting, which only a true emergency could justify. Most of the ministers felt decisive action had to be taken. Military officials presented a plan for uprooting the terror infrastructure, through a complex campaign in the heart of Palestinian cities and refugee camps. Though the attack had been carried out by Hamas, it was clear that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat had given them a green light. We had both the right and the ability to strike back.

Throughout the meeting, though, our foreign minister kept going in and out of the room, talking to world leaders and reporting back. His message was clear: Right now Israel enjoys the sympathy of the international community. As long as we keep our military response to a minimum, the world will continue to be on our side, and increased diplomatic pressure will rein in the terror. But if we launch a full-scale attack on the terrorists, we risk losing the world’s support and turning Arafat from an aggressor into a victim.

Proportionate Response

Eventually the prime minister was convinced of this approach, and the decision was made to stick to a proportionate response -- pinpoint attacks on terror cells, special operations, arrests -- and to allow diplomacy to work its magic.

Over the next nine months, Israel held its fire, and the world indeed condemned terrorism. But the attacks only increased. In the heart of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, suicide bombers blew up coffee shops, buses and hotels. Nightlife ground to a halt, tourism was decimated and hotels had to release most of their workers. One of my colleagues in the government, Rehavam Zeevi, was gunned down by terrorists. In the meantime, the U.S. suffered its own terror attacks on Sept. 11 and put intense pressure on us not to retaliate against the Palestinians, for fear of complicating its own war on al-Qaeda.

The situation came to a head in March 2002, when more than 130 Israelis were killed in a single month alone -- most infamously on March 27, Passover Eve, at the Park Hotel in Netanya. The next day, the cabinet convened -- again, in an extraordinary meeting during a religious holiday. The meeting started at 6 p.m. and lasted the night. This time, however, the government decided to launch Operation Defensive Shield -- the same plan the Israel Defense Forces had offered the previous year.

Worst Fears

In the international arena, our worst fears were realized. The United Nations condemned us, and the U.S. dispatched Secretary of State Colin Powell to tell us to stop the assault immediately. The global media mounted a brutal campaign depicting us as war criminals, spreading false rumors of the wholesale butchering of Palestinian civilians, describing the operation as the worst atrocity of modern history.

The most outrageous of these rumors was the Jenin libel, which was portrayed in a film produced largely from the fertile imagination of its director, and then shown around the world. It didn’t matter that, in fact, Israel had taken unprecedented measures to minimize civilian casualties, including refraining from using either aerial or artillery bombardment, putting its own soldiers at unprecedented risk; or that the UN commission that was created to investigate Jenin was soon disbanded for lack of evidence; or that the director of the film admitted that he had misled his audience.

Reputation Destroyed

For years to come, the “Jenin massacre” was the centerpiece of the anti-Israel propaganda machine, reverberating across Europe and on U.S. campuses as the symbol of Israeli iniquity. Our reputation was in tatters.

Yet all this was a small price to pay for what Israel gained. Within a few weeks, Palestinian terror was rendered ineffective, with the number of Israelis killed falling from hundreds per month to fewer than a dozen over the next year. Life returned to Israeli streets. Tourists returned by the hundreds of thousands. The economy started moving again.

No less important, though, was the effect Defensive Shield had on the Palestinians themselves. With the terror infrastructure removed, Palestinians could begin rebuilding their civic institutions and changing their attitude toward violence. Over time, Arafat’s policy of promoting terror was replaced by the far more cautious approach of his successor, Mahmoud Abbas.

West Bank Rebirth

In more than six years since the operation, the West Bank’s economy has boomed. If there is hope in the West Bank today, it is because Israel abandoned the ideas of proportionality and diplomacy in handling terror. The West Bank Palestinians know this; for this reason, they have not joined in the world’s rampant condemnation of Israel in the current war. While tens of thousands protest in Europe, West Bankers are mostly silent.

Understanding the war in Gaza means recognizing the lessons of 2002. During the three years that passed after pulling out all troops and settlements from the Gaza Strip in 2005, Israel chose to respond to Hamas’s deadly, daily rocket attacks with proportionality and diplomacy. The result? More rockets, more missiles, more misery for Palestinians -- and enough breathing space for Hamas to take over the Gaza Strip, devastate its society, build a much more powerful arsenal than it had in 2005 and become the vanguard of Iranian expansionism in the region.

Cancer Treatment

Terrorism is a cancer that can’t be cured through “proportional” treatments. It requires invasive surgery. It threatens not only democratic states that are its target, but also -- foremost -- the local civilians who are forced into its fanatical ranks, deployed as human shields, and devastated by its tyranny.

The longer one waits to treat it, the worse it gets, and the harsher the treatment required to defeat it. In southern Lebanon, where Israel failed to defeat the terrorists in 2006, the disease has only spread: Hezbollah now has three times the missiles it had before, and the terrorists have gained a stranglehold on the Lebanese government. Israel is determined not to repeat this mistake in Gaza.

Just as in 2002, Israel has chosen to fight the heart of terror, in the face of worldwide denunciation, mass demonstrations, UN resolutions, and talk of crimes against humanity. Now, as then, it is the right decision.

The operation is painful: The number of civilians hurt and killed, while far fewer than in comparable operations around the world, is still intolerably high -- a reflection of the size and depth of the terror infrastructure that has grown there over the last three years.

As in 2002, the real beneficiaries of a successful Israeli campaign will be the Palestinians themselves. Peace can be found only when Palestinians are given the freedom to build real civic institutions, and a leadership can emerge unafraid of telling its own citizens that violence, fanaticism and martyrdom aren’t the Palestinian way. But this can happen only once the malignancy of terror is removed from their midst. As ugly as it sounds, it is the only source of hope for Gaza.

(Natan Sharansky is chairman of the Adelson Institute for Strategic Studies in Shalem Center, a former deputy prime minister and the author of the recently published “Defending Identity: Its Indispensable Role in Protecting Democracy.” The opinions expressed are his own.)

16 January 2009 at 12:56  
Blogger Dave said...

And now Hamas want a month long ceasefire. Why?
So that they can re-arm.
We saw it in Bosnia.

When will the West learn that Muslims do NOT think like us? They see no harm in hiding behind civilians. To the the Geneva Convention is weakness.

Israel must continue and not cease until Hamas is wiped from the face of the earth.

16 January 2009 at 13:39  
Blogger len.allan said...

Israel is like the nazis?
So everyone who defends himself is a nazi?
What sort of insane logic is that?.
This sort of argument is a perversion of the truth!.
Israel is responding, not initiating.
Amazing that people cannot, or will not, see that!

16 January 2009 at 13:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thankyou Gerald Kaufman for saying what needed to be said on ITV News i ripped down my shower curtain to say exactly that and joined the demo in Albert Square last Sunday and became politically involved for the first time in many years I am not a student i am a grandmother
Britain entered dialogue with Sinn Fein we didn't bomb Ireland! Ros. Atta

16 January 2009 at 14:04  
Blogger Spartan said...

Obama will be President in 4 days time. Does this have any bearing on current failed truce talks? Forget the UN, it's the USA that has the influence.

Enter Obama >>> Israel ceasefire(USA bribery)

lt has all the makings of a Hollywood moment that seems too good to miss for Obama and his team.

As for Hamas, who knows? They have virtually no support from their Arab neighbours or anyone else for that matter ... not forgetting the 'useful idiots' of course. ;-)

16 January 2009 at 14:41  
Blogger hipipol said...

"When will the West learn that Muslims do NOT think like us?" Dave, I hope I NEVER htink like you.
Imagine that loathesome clique The Royal Family anf Winston Churchill hid in London, using its people as hauman sheilds, FORCING the gallant lustwaffe to bomb them there.

You are murderous

16 January 2009 at 14:51  
Blogger Adel Thalos said...

This is an excellent graphic. May I have permission to repost it on my blog at...
timforthetruth.wordpress.com
?

Thank you.
Adel Thalos

16 January 2009 at 15:24  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FROM NEW YORK -

All you Brits get your info from the BBC - what a crying shame. Did you stop for only one second to ask where were the BBC reporters for the past 5 years when rockets and sells were falling on Israeli Houses, schools and civilians? And did you ask yourself who's real responsibility is it for the human suffering in Gaza? Maybe those who hide among civilians and behind schools to commit their cowardly and shameful act are to be held responsible, I.E Hamas. And maybe, your reactions and That of the shameless Gerald Kaufman plays so well into the hands of terrorists, and their despicable methods and propaganda.
And, by the way - if someone is to be blamed for the historical turn of events in the Israeli Palestinian conflict, try your own mirror.

16 January 2009 at 16:04  
Anonymous Chris said...

It is ludicrous if you consider it antisemetic to draw parallels between modern day israeli policy, and nazis. It is simply nonsense that is propagated so often that those who say it no longer understand what they say, and is akin to sticking your fingers in your ears.

I'm not trying to incite you, but the nazis considered the French resistance fighters to be terrorists too. What do you consider them to be? A legitimate resitance against occupation, or terrorists?

Now what do you consider the Palestinian resistance to illegal Israeli occupation to be? Somehow I doubt that history will judge it as terrorist activity.

16 January 2009 at 16:33  
Blogger Dave H said...

"He was sufficiently prescient to observe..."

Trivial, pedantic grumble: I don't think prescient is the correct word. Perceptive? Perspicacious?

16 January 2009 at 16:49  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Dave H,

His Grace posted in haste, and he desired to communicate a sense of foreknowledge. You are quite right that the word he deployed is somewhat clumsy when followed by 'observed'.

Please forgive His Grace for his clumsy verbiage, but he has been most highly stressed over the past few days, and has wasted dozens of hours dealing with demonic spamming vermin.

16 January 2009 at 17:53  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If someone is to be blamed for the historical turn of events in the Israeli Palestinian conflict, try your own mirror.

Anon New York.

In my case, you are preaching to the converted.

The British establishment have long since used The USA to hide its own cruel dishonesty and murderous manipulation of world events.

This may come as a shock to you or it may not. But The British system still runs YOUR countries foreign policy far more then your own particular despots run ours, whatever our collective medias and history books tell us both.

Please be reminded that I take no more responsibility for the actions of my government then I do yours. They have both been following secret agendas for so long now, that nothing either of them has been up to has made any virtuous or humane sense since 1913 or much much longer.

The British Empire may or may not have been better then the alternative. We shall never now know.

However as WE the people were never properly informed or consulted, about ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, thanks in no small part to The BBC and our own controlled press. We should feel no guilt, and in particular take absolutely no responsibility for our own respective governments actions.

EXACTLY the same thing therefore can and should be said when it comes to ordinary Arabs and Jews.

We are ALL just expendable mind controlled pawns in a very nasty game, with an even more incredibly nasty End Game 'now coming into view.'

Atlas Shrugged

16 January 2009 at 18:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UK Expat
''if a country needs 3 billion USD a year...''

Egypt receives a similar amount.

Your point is?

16 January 2009 at 18:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And, by the way - if someone is to be blamed for the historical turn of events in the Israeli Palestinian conflict, try your own mirror."

Does this New Yorker subscribe to the view that Britain should have evicted the Palestinians to make way for the Zionist German immigrants? If so, when?

16 January 2009 at 18:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh dear oh dear, what ridiculous reactions and inevitable. As for that fatuously stupid and deeply offensive cartoon posted by Cranmer himself today words fail me. Watching Kaufman on TV today saw me nodding my head almost off in agreement for the FIRST time at anyone during this crisis. Usually you get politically correct commentators, politians, all mealy-mouthed in their hands-off approach, all tainted by vested interests in high places. Meanwhile Israeli missiles blow women and children to bits. You Jewish hard-liners, in your paranoia, don't twist Kaufman's words, he said the slaughter of thousands of poor Palestinians was Nazism. Not that the Israeli regime were actually Nazis. He spoke today with passion and conviction, the truth of the situation.
Anyway, can you Israelis not appreciate the SCALE of the imbalance, you with your huge and powerful army? You went into Gaza KNOWING FOR SURE that the power unleashed there would kill huge numbers of innocent and poor people, regardless of Israeli officials with their halos saying how they are so sorry and they do try and avoid casualties. All bullshit and lies.
The bottom line is that you do indeed occupy land which doesn't belong to you. Palestinians rightly want this changed. How else are they supposed to struggle to get it back when the greatest power (for now at least) supports you whatever you do, good or evil? Palestinians don't really have a chance, they always have to negotiate with one hand tied behind their backs.
Of course the Hamas rockets must stop, but Israel has to leave Gaza NOW and let the desperate people there rebuild their lives.

16 January 2009 at 19:45  
Blogger len.allan said...

In its simplist terms, the conflict in Israel is being waged between those who are fighting(whether intentionally or not) against the God of Israel, the Creator of the universe. It is a battle for the most part,between those of faith who believe the promises God made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and those who for whatever reasons, would prefer that Israel(ie the Jews) did not live there.The faithful in Israel are obeying a direct commandment from God (inhabit the land).Those on the other hand who are fighting against God(whether intentionally or not) are trying to remove the jewish people from the land given by them by God.

16 January 2009 at 20:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kauffman has lost the plot.

After 8,000 rockets fire indiscriminately, Israel has fought a war against Hamas whose fighters wear no uniform and hide amongst their own people, a very hard problem for Israel's military, the most moral in the world.

I listened to a programme where an Apache pilot said that after firing a missile at a Hamas position, people congregated around it. He waited 15 minutes until they left before firing again.

What other army has a 3-4 hour time-out in the fighting to let humanitarian aid in each day.

Strange Nazis the Israelis.

17 January 2009 at 00:08  
Blogger james said...

THANK GOD FOR GERALD KAUFMAN!
THE ONLY THING NECESSARY FOR THE TRIUMPH OF EVIL IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING edmund burke
YOU ARE A BRAVE MAN AND A BRAVE JEW
I AM NEITHER BUT I BOW TO YOU!

17 January 2009 at 00:36  
Anonymous USpace said...

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Poor old fool, he's a deluded idiot unwittingly stumping for Global Jihad. A useful dhimmi in denial.

These people are insane, and they are mostly from the Left. The Left acting like Nazis and calling for a Hitler, wow! Someone, even most of them would say they hate. The Left, many are anti-semitic Nazis, they should be proud. The truth is coming out, it is getting harder to hide.

The MSM is insidious, they are instrumental in fanning these flames. We must keep trying to de-brainwash as many people as possible. As the brave Geert Wilders put it recently, "To begin with, there is already a Palestinian state, and that is Jordan. This land covers nearly eighty percent of the historic Palestine. Most residents of Jordan are Palestinians, for instance queen Rania."

Why doesn't Jordan take the poor Palestinians in the West Bank and Egypt control the nut jobs in Gaza?

They don't want them, that's why. They should be made to take them. That may be the only answer.

Hamas is what makes Gaza much worse than it could be. If they would give up the dream of destroying Israel and the Jews and stopped all missiles and suicide bombers, and all terrorist attacks, Israel would welcome doing business with them, and things would be peaceful. But they can't do this as long as they follow their Koran strictly.

There is no negotiating with a mad man, or with Jihadis who want to die to go get their 72 virgins.
I hope Israel doesn't quit too early. If Israel is destroyed, terrorism in the rest of the world will just increase, it will never stop, as long as there are Radical Muslims, or rather, Muslim Fundamentalists; who are appeased, defended, and kissed up to.
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
let someone hit you

over and over again
and NEVER hit back harder

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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
DO NOT defend your country

from terrorist monkeys
just let them bomb you at will

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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
BOMB kindergartens

then piss and moan and whine
when their parents bomb you back

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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
never mock terrorists

it's just their religion
you RIGHT-WING INFIDEL
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All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech there can be no real freedom.
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What Really Happened in the MidEast?
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Philosophy of Liberty Cartoon
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Help Stop Terrorism Today!
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USpace

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17 January 2009 at 05:56  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Does this New Yorker subscribe to the view that Britain should have evicted the Palestinians to make way for the Zionist German immigrants? If so, when?

Transjordan gave them Hashemites a kingdom after being expelled from The Hejaz by the Saud family.

Blame the Ottomans for the mess they hindered the development of proper governmental entities and left the Europeans a disaster to sort out after 1919....no doubt you would prefer a Greater Syria with a Mediterraean coast and bordering Iran and Saudi Arabia ?

17 January 2009 at 06:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All of you idiots who say that God gave this land to you are using precisely the same logic as the Taliban. There is absolutely no difference between them and you.

I do believe you have repeated this, ad nauseum, so often and for so many years that you are starting to actually believe this poppycock.

As for Hamases desire to destroy Israel, they need to realize that they can relax, Israel is doing a fine job destroying itself!

17 January 2009 at 09:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anyone ever wonders what God saw in the Jews that he chose them over others, just look at Sir Gerald Kaufman. Its because of people like him and not because of thugs like Olmert, Barak, Livni, ...

17 January 2009 at 09:53  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Voyager,

Are you seriously suggesting that the British Army should have evicted the Palestinians (comprising Jews (who disliked the Zionists), Christians & Arabs) immediately after WW 1 into Transjordan to make space for a German Zionist project. As apolitical as our Army is/was, I feel that this is an unlikely scenario given that we were still burying the dead on the Western Front at the time.

17 January 2009 at 11:42  
Blogger len.allan said...

Zion certainly is a stumbling stone!
I have never seen so many stumble!!
I believe God is using Zion to flush out his enemies and expose them for what they are!!!
( I also have never seen so many anony mouses, count them!)

17 January 2009 at 12:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lets compare atrocities commited by Hamas vs the many ones commited by the jewish state and it's terrorist army, compare many kids, women and elderlies killed and who used the most illegal weapons and then will see who is closer to Naziasm and better closer to the Devil

17 January 2009 at 14:21  
Blogger len.allan said...

There goes another one !

17 January 2009 at 14:27  
Blogger Spartan said...

All you posting about these false religions is disheartening.

Relinquish your hatred of others and be at peace.

Convert to the only true religion now!

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster welcomes you with open appendages.

17 January 2009 at 14:43  
Anonymous Ziva Yanai said...

To Mr. Gerald Kaufman,

Your are really a smart man – to call Israel soldier Nazi , will generate

big headlines – this is the only thing you wanted – please admit it!

Shame on you: did you make a sound in UK during all the suicide attacks on civilians or

after the lynch in Ramala, or during 8 years of bombardment? And the list is very long…?

Not a word on what is going on in Africa .

Not a single bad word / comments on the Muslim murderer , the Hamas and all on its kind.

I think you are afraid of them – this is the reason you are quite about that.

And by the way - the Nazi were selected too.

17 January 2009 at 16:30  
OpenID seismicshock said...

Cranmer,

For your interest (on the Christian response to the conflict in the UK):

http://seismicshock.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/as-antisemitism-in-the-uk-increases-how-will-british-churches-respond/

17 January 2009 at 16:48  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gerald's comment would seem harsh to only those who believe might is right, a doctrine endorsed by Mr Bush..but imagine being a palistinian who is not part of hamas...but has been barricaded for years, his/her movement controlled, has seen his children first starved and then indiscriminatly killed, sees no future as the world watches on and calls on them to show restrain.....now how would they perceive the israelis....I think they would agree with Mr Kuafman....Israel has forgotton what's it like to be on the receiving end, otherwise how could they show such cruelity.

17 January 2009 at 18:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At last a British MP with the guts to state the truth. Israel has spent 60 squandering the sympathies of the world. If the current Palestinian birthrate continues Israel as we know it will cease to exist.

17 January 2009 at 21:03  
Blogger Abe Bird said...

jailhouselawyer; Bullshit.
Israel attacks only terrorists. Hamas terrorists made curfew and didn't let civilians escape out of Gaza until last days because they wanted the civilians to be their fresh defece shelter. Hamas terrorist are shooting from behind civilians. Hamas keeps first floors as amunition arsenal and hold families above on the second floor as a shield. They use their hospitals as a refuge and arsenals. The leaders of the Hamas are hiding deep in the "Shifa" hospital basement. Unra facilities are long turn to be their armament warehouses. Schools are their military bases surounded by children and women for protection. Tunnels are paves their way from one place to another.

While Hamas shoot rockets at Israeli cities and civilians in prupose to kill as many civilains, the Israel are focused on targeting terror sites. The fact that the Arabs planed to fight from within their civilians and to get immunity shows clearly their moral failure to cope with reality which they brought upon themselves. Israe; the obligation to defend hers citizens no matter the reaso the Hamas chose to destruct Israel. You ca't shoot at someone and expect him not to react. The fact that the Hamas was surprised from the Israeli inititive shows to all that they are disconnected to the ground. The Hamas believes to its own prayers and failed to understand that Israel existance is a fact and no one on earth can change it.
The outrageous behave of the Muslim terror gangs is horrible and disgraceful first to their own people and second to the Israelis.

I sure see your irresponsible comments as Falsetinian ProPALganda dipped with Nazi imagination. You have to remember that those who cooperated with the Nazi Germans where Arabs from Palestine (Haj Amin el-Housseini), Egypt (Anwar Sadat), Iraq and so on. The helped the Nazis to fight the British in Yugoslavia and they have participated in catching Jews, Gypsies and other Nazi opponents and sending them to gaz chambers. They still longing to those days and teach their kids to hate and kill Jews.
If you give the Hamas permission to wipe Israel from the face of the earth why do you think that Israel shouldn't do the same to you? In that case you have no any moral advantage over the Jews, and you push the Jews to gather force to protect themselves from your unending terror efforts to smash them.
Times when we thought that the "Palestinains were right" have gone with the wind because their nasty terror action. The Land of Israel is the land of Israel and not of the Arabs. Arabs have already a Palestinian state called Jordan with 80% of Palestinians Arabs ruled by Bedouin king. There you may fulfill your national aspiration and not harm the Israelis.

17 January 2009 at 23:44  
Blogger len.allan said...

When did Gerald Kaufmann condemn Hamas for attacking Israel?
How about an arms embargo on Hamas?
The man is an idiot!.

17 January 2009 at 23:48  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

At last, someone with some sense on the Gaza Conflict.
If Israel didn't receive it's yearly welfare cheque from the US people, ,maybe, just maybe there would be a little more incentive for them to sit down and talk with their neighbours.

http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=ron+paul+gaza&search_type=&aq=f

18 January 2009 at 01:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

len.allan said...

“So everyone who defends himself is a nazi?”

So everyone who defends himself is a terrorist?

Hamas has a right to fight against the 18 month long blockade (siege) of 1.4 million people, 700,000 of whom are children!

These people who live on $2/day and 80% of whom need UN assistance to be able to eat two meals a day should be content with their reality and not to play with weapons.

So only God’s gift to mankind should be allowed to have weapons?

What sort of insane logic is that?

len.allan also said…

“Israel is responding, not initiating.”

This sort of argument is a perversion of the truth! Hamas is fighting the 18 month long blockade (siege) of Gaza. Amazing that people cannot, or will not, see that!

18 January 2009 at 03:01  
Blogger len.allan said...

The real victims of hamas are the palestinians.
Hamas is fighting to exterminate Israel,using palestinians as human shields,
Your argument is not based on the facts therefore irrelevant!

18 January 2009 at 08:46  
Blogger len.allan said...

In the West the Left Wing have allied themselves with Muslims that support Hamas against Israel.
Demonstrations in London and western cities.
If leftists found themselves living in Gaza the would soon be victims of Hamas!

18 January 2009 at 09:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have alot of respect for Sir Kauffman for standing up for what is right in a time when people blindly follow others, there are few people who stand up for what is right and he has

22 January 2009 at 02:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If sir Gerald feels such empathy with the palestinians why doesn`t he go there and support them?

23 January 2009 at 18:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We know Geraldine well in Leeds his home town. He is a very frustrated person suppressing his baser instincts ( no wife, a big clue ) a classic self hater with a £ 8,800 t.v

22 May 2009 at 00:53  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

are the palestinians like the jews were in the third reich, the untermensch, the underclass of non-persons, who can be treated with disrespect and hate, and who have to face continual humiliation in a world which supports illegal demolition of their homes as well as nazi type occupation of their land?????

19 November 2009 at 08:57  
Blogger velvel in decatur said...

anon 15 January 2009 21:54: Seems the attempt at education did not work too well, sort of like Pat Robertson and Danny Glover blaming the Haitian earthquake on the Devil and on Global Warming.
None of these ninnies has the right (and neither has the competency) to speak for me. Ever.

Had either been in my constituency and I had voted for either (perish forbid!) they still would have no more right to speak for me than the Archbishop of Canterbury, the His Eminence the Pope, the Chief Rabbi of England, the Sec Gen of the United Nations, the President of the EU, or my cat's nettles.

Kaufman is a fool and a knave and ought to walk into the sunset with Galloway, never to be heard from again. He is beneath contempt and I invite him to come to America so that everyone can guffaw at his bald head and empty noggin.

Mayhaps the media (as in medium: neither good nor bad, just there) ought to ask the two of them appropriate questions and then ignore them forever.

15 January 2010 at 20:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those who are critical toward Israel way of conducting her war agaisnt arabs. Note that Israel can easily destroy Gaza completely and erase it from the face of Earth. The criticism from you wouldn't be worse in that case. So, why do you think Israel doesn't do that?

15 January 2010 at 21:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

israel is the great terrorist organisation in the world that why Gerald Kaufman is against that nobody is agree with that fascist state

20 January 2010 at 22:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

everyone in Europe or in USA supports Israel because he is obliged to do that otherwise he loses his job or can be banned for example the actors or journalists all over the world could not criticize that fascist state because they are afraid but those who are supporting the Palestinians they are doing that because they follow the right way of justice.Palestinians must go on on their legal fight & struggle against the Zionism state of fascism & Nazis as William Wallace did against England as france did against Germany as Algerian did against France and we will see one day a free Palestine even the orthodox rabbi were against that illegal state like rabbi weiss and naturai Kutra

20 January 2010 at 22:34  

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