Friday, January 02, 2009

Vatican rejects EU legislation and distances itself from Brussels

This is not how it has been reported by Reuters or The Scotsman – which talk of the Vatican no longer taking on Italian laws after ‘anti-Church’ rulings. And neither is it how the BBC has reported the story – preferring to talk of the Vatican’s ‘divorce’ from Italian law. The mainstream media seems intent on ignoring (or concealing) the elephant in the room.

Italy is in precisely the same position as the UK with regard to EU law – that is to say, about 80 per cent of Italy’s laws originate in Brussels and EU law is supreme over national law. It is not therefore Italian law but EU law with which the Pope is taking issue. The announcement in the Vatican's newspaper, Osservatore Romano, has prompted debate on whether the move was a ‘masked warning’ to the Italian government of Silvio Berlusconi. But since his essentially conservative government has been more favourable to Catholic orthodoxy than was the administration of Roman Prodi (or any of the Left), it lends credence to Cranmer’s belief that it is not so much Italian domestic legislation which irks His Holiness, but the thousands of directives and reams of new laws which emanate from the EU.

And he is sufficiently disapproving to unilaterally adapt the Lateran Accords of 1929, since which time the Vatican has accepted Italian law automatically, except on bilateral treaties or when there is a sharp divergence with Canon Law. Pope Benedict XVI enjoys a luxury which no EU member state any longer possesses – sovereignty. And the world’s smallest sovereign state will now first examine Italian (=EU) laws one by one before deciding whether or not to adopt them.

And this is a consequence of Italy’s (= the EU’s) 'anti-Church' rulings which are frequently at odds with Catholic doctrine. One thinks of its ‘equality’ agenda, in particular over matters of homosexuality and ‘civil unions’. And then there is divorce, abortion, stem cell research, ‘living wills’ and the growing demands for the decriminalisation of euthanasia.

The Vatican also finds that there is a ‘really exorbitant number’ of Italian (=EU) laws, which are ‘badly written’, ‘difficult to understand’, lead to ‘instability’ and ‘contrast’ with the principles of the Roman Catholic Church.

Moreover, the Vatican is also repudiating the treaty-signing prerogative bestowed upon the EU by the Lisbon Treaty. Henceforth, the government of the Holy See will scrutinise international treaties before deciding whether or not to adhere to them, and that includes anything which emanates from the United Nations.

It is curious that the Vatican perceives what a Godless, secular, anti-Christian, immoral and corrupt institution the EU is, while the United Kingdom continues to ‘gold plate’ all EU directives, frequently without parliamentary scrutiny. While the Catholic King of the Vatican is reasserting his sovereignty and is now in a position to refuse his assent to EU laws, the Protestant Queen of the United Kingdom has surrendered her sovereignty: as a citizen of the EU, she is subject to all EU laws, however much they may be antithetical to the founding principles of the Church of England, or to the traditions and heritage of her once-great nation.


Blogger len.allan said...

The anthem of the E U "Ode to Joy" contains religious symbolism."Ode to Joy is the prelude to the last movement of Beethoven`s Ninth symphony, which has religious implications.E U publications state that the anthem really is an "ode to freedom,community and peace", however the lyrics,by Friedrich von Schiller, are actually about the entering of the shrine of a pagan goddess and the uniting of all men in brotherhood, by the power of magic!

2 January 2009 at 13:38  
Anonymous eagerbeaver said...

The pope would do better to clean up his own house - the Vatican Bank has long been a major laundering concern and the refusal to cough up Paul Marcinkus over the running of the same in the 1980s was disgracful.

2 January 2009 at 16:37  
Anonymous not a machine said...

well apart from your grace who has been a watchman, the church at last seems to be finding its voice , heart and intellect , just a matter now for god to wake up a few more that have fallen into darkness and we might have a chance of returning to moral democracy again.

the thing i dont get with the secularists , is i dont know why they bother to compare communion or mass , to a warm crowd sensation .
i mean if you dont belive in god , the fine , make your arguments have your discussions , challenge some clergy , tell us all were deluded .

but surley you dont form a society !! especially one , that gathers to represent the presence of physics only and makes a mathmatical equation an idol .

i mean secularists , why mimic the church , i just dont get it .

certainly seems as though some fresh air is blowing through the churches at the moment !!

2 January 2009 at 16:56  
Blogger len.allan said...

Social Secular Humanism is a religion!
The religion of man.
It has a long history, to join you have to be your own god.
"I will be as god" sound familiar?

2 January 2009 at 17:29  
Blogger EUBanana said...

Humans are social animals.

So are chimpanzees.

So are zebras.

I don't really see why that should be such a surprise to anyone. You need to believe in God to have friends? Or join up with your fellow cavemen because 2 spears are better than 1?

Thats the sort of ridiculous stuff which drives atheists onto TV shows to argue with people (and me to this board :p).

2 January 2009 at 21:32  
Blogger Anoneumouse said...

But will we see an excommunication

El Señor Presidente Barroso the First (I) Defender of faith

2 January 2009 at 22:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look up "Cult of the Supreme Being".

3 January 2009 at 00:18  
Blogger len.allan said...

Humans are social animals?
Humans also have a capacity for evil unknown amongst the animal world.
Without God man is truly lost!
Do you social secular humanists now that satan has legal rights over you!(given to him by adam.)
Adam sold out the human race in the name of independance and freedom from God and thereby plunged man into a slave=master relationship with satan.
You are like blind men groping in the dark I hope and pray that God will open your eyes!

3 January 2009 at 10:43  
Anonymous judith said...

And those 'legal' rights Satan has over me - they would be manifest in what ways please, Mr Allen?

3 January 2009 at 17:41  
Blogger len.allan said...

"Whoever commits sin is a slave to sin" John 8:34
The one who practices sin is of the devil,for the devil has sinned from the beginning.The son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.1John 3:8
If you are in rebellion against God you have come under the authority of satan.
There is no middle ground!.

3 January 2009 at 19:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the Pope recognizes that to accept EU Law is to accept annihilation.

My gut instinct suggests our Monarch has done a 'Deal' that protects her family; there was a news report recently that 'aired' a new 'role' for Charles.

However, she has behaved abdominally and treacherously to the rest of us.

When the uprising occurs she may consider it prudent to pick up roots and leave the country she betrayed.

The Pope will be able to remain where he is.

3 January 2009 at 20:48  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Please forgive if I'm interrupting your conversation, or anything - but I'm interested in your comparison of animal and human evil. I haven't met many snakes, and only (literally) one or two other animals who've emanated evil; for the latter, I concluded it was only because people treated them badly and made them so. All things considered, though, I tend to think animals are a whole lot nicer than people [a view that gets me into trouble, if I express it].

So I keep my wonderings to myself about how people become evil; but I believe part of the answer must be the same - it's what other people do to them: one bad lot weakens the victim, who - to a greater or lesser degree - is then vulnerable to the call of the devil. Might this be the point in the vicious circle where we can compare the efficacies of secular humanism and Christianity?

As to el Papa - deo gratias that he, the Christian, has seen the light and is challenging the Holofernes of secular humanism!

3 January 2009 at 22:50  
Anonymous ukipwebmaster said...

Play the EU Quiz:

4 January 2009 at 00:03  
Blogger len.allan said...

Quote from Luke 4:5

Then the devil taking Him up on a high mountain,showing Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
And the devil said to Him"All this authority I will give You,and their glory;FOR THIS HAS BEEN DELIVERED TO ME, AND I WILL GIVE IT TO WHOMEVER I WISH.
There are many scriptures regarding satans kingdom, Matthew 12:25-26 is one (there are too many to list here),one of its properties is it a kingdom of darkness you cannot see when you are in it!
Jesus Christ stripped satan of his authority at calvary and all who are in him (born again, redeemed ),are partakers in his victory!.

4 January 2009 at 10:47  
Anonymous eagerbeaver said...

Having thought about this issue further and taking into consideration the Vatican's track record I can only conclude the Pope's action is more about shielding the inner workings of the Vatican from public scrutiny than any altruistic objection to the intrusiveness of EU legislators (however laudable that may be)

Paedophile priests everywhere will be applauding this.

4 January 2009 at 17:23  
Anonymous Peadophile Priests said...

How do we know there are so many Paedophile Priests, or were many of these stories simply yet another way for the godless EU NWO to undermine the church.

May I remind you of Operation Ore.

Target Whitey,,2059880,00.html

5 January 2009 at 12:42  

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