Saturday, February 14, 2009

Alfie Patten a father at 13 - God bless him.

Cranmer is simply appalled, disturbed, shocked,

Not because this young man is a father at 13, but because of the scorn, derision and negativity being heaped upon him. He may have committed a sin, even been guilty of vice, but he has committed no crime. Neither party in law could have granted consent, yet both manifestly did.

And in other countries and in other eras it would not even have been a sin.

It is Jewish tradition that boys at the age of 13 become Bar Mitzvah, and girls at 12 become Bat Mitzvah. That is, they reach the age of majority at which they are responsible for their actions. This coincides with puberty, and is utterly in accordance with nature. For the best part of 2000 years, this has been considered the age at which the boy has become a man, after which he bears his own responsibility for keeping tradition, law, and ethics (Num 6:2). According to Jewish law, in addition to being able to read from the Torah and participate in Minyan, this is the age at which he may own property and legally marry and beget children.

Yes, Alfie Patten is very young. And, yes, his premature fatherhood will deprive him of has ‘natural’ teen years and the ‘traditional’ experiences of youth. But it is a symptom of something far bigger than Alfie, and it is not simply ‘sex education’ or ‘broken Britain’. The Government's teenage pregnancy strategy - with its emphasis on sex and making contraception freely available to young children - is creating a climate in which children come to believe that it is normal to be sexually active. Indeed, they are inculcated with a sense that the practice is so pervasive, they are distinctly abnormal if they are not indulging. The crisis is in the understanding of relationship and the importance of the family in an age of irresponsibility - of which this young boy is just another victim.

And how is Alfie confronting the age of irresponsibility?

By being utterly – and naturally – responsible.

Alfie's son was not immediately aborted. He was not viewed as an 'it' - a cluster of expendable cells without significance. And neither was he farmed out to an adoption agency. Alfie chose to bring a new life into the world. And he is trying to be committed, and will love him as best he knows how. He has pledged to ‘stand by’ the mother – all 4ft of him – and, in this day and age, that is admirable. He has also pledged to ‘be a good dad’, even if he does not yet quite know how.

And Alfie’s wider family have pledged to support him in this adventure. They have not abandoned him, and neither did they persuade him to ‘get rid’. One cannot help concluding that Alfie’s parents must have done something right for this little guy to have chosen this route, for he could so easily have said ‘abort’ and returned to the emotional security of his playstation.

There could and should have been more intervention, discipline, rules, boundaries, and self-control in Alfie’s upbringing. But, with a loving and supportive family around him, Alfie Patten will cope. Mary would have been around 14 when she gave birth to Jesus, and let us not forget that even today, in other countries on other continents, ‘children’ are working 12-hour days from the age of 7, and they are wise to the cruelties of the world by the age of 10. It is not ideal; it may even be abuse. But it is necessary if they and their families are to avoid starvation. This is not a welfare world.

And Cranmer would rather his taxes helped to raise this little child than subsidise an abortion on the NHS.

Alfie Patten will try to be a good dad. He may not know what it means; he may not understand the implications. But he has a heart of gold, and the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these.


Blogger Sackerson said...

Good one. Your comments are a blow to the Western death culture, also to the cynical prolongation of childhood to 18, 21 and beyond, merely because we have not found a way to create employment.

14 February 2009 at 10:04  
Blogger Forlornehope said...

It is most encouraging to read such a clear sighted response. Every child, however brought into the World is a gift from God.

14 February 2009 at 10:15  
Anonymous oiznop said...

I must say, Your Grace, you have surpised me and converted me. I was one of those who was condemning of this. Blaming the parents, the government, society - it's all partially to blame. But you're right. God set this boy a choice, and he chose life. He's a pro-life inspiration.

Your post is a unique take on this story. Everybody else has gone with the Sun's mentality and the Daily Mail's judgementalism. You should be hired.

14 February 2009 at 10:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cranmer, plainly you have finally taken leave of your senses.

14 February 2009 at 10:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I loved this, it's reminded me that I have to look beyond the noise and seek out grace.

14 February 2009 at 10:48  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alternatively, all involved may have just decided to cash-in on the opportunity which now sits, quite literally, in this fine young (very young) gentleman's lap.

14 February 2009 at 10:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cranmer, you are an idiot. This is an irresponsible post and your discernment has plainly gone.

14 February 2009 at 10:49  
Blogger Little Black Sambo said...

Well, we can see why some people prefer to remain anonymous.

14 February 2009 at 10:52  
Blogger someday said...

But can this boy earn a living to support his family?

Obviously not.

Then who is going to pay?

The taxpayer, of course. Many of whom are responsible enough to put off having children until they can afford them.

14 February 2009 at 10:54  
Anonymous len said...

This child may have been physically possible to father a child.
But mentally, emotionally, financially, ready to support a child?.
What are they teaching children in school? the biology without the responsibility I suspect.
I am pro- life but believe this is a tragic situation for all concerned and everything should be done to educate people so this doesn`t happen.
If every child on reaching puberty followed this example it would put an intolerable burden on society.

14 February 2009 at 10:56  
Blogger Anoneumouse said...

In the shadow of Charles Darwins Birthday, one has to ask, why are some youngsters fertile at this age?

They are only children because the State deems them so. They are evolved human beings, breeding for the revolution.

14 February 2009 at 11:05  
Anonymous indigonotso fullofhatredthismorning said...

Well, well, well done Cranmer! You have a better grasp of reality than I at first gave you credit for. There will be no shortage of horrified dog-pigs who are so psychologically indoctrinated with the culture of materialistic conformity, that they would not have hesitated to rip the evil bundle of cells out of the young girl's womb at the first opportunity.

No-one is suggesting that we encourage this sort of thing, but there is NO evil in this story what so ever. The situation has the potential to go any which way, just like all potentialities. There are a given number of potential out comes which will sate the dog-pigs hatred, and psychological projection of their own fears about how they think punishment should be apportioned to the evil sinners.

Our model of idealism is in the screwed folder. Its time to sit down with pen and note book and think sensibly about where we are at.

I have lots of answers and suggestions if anyone is interested. And NO, I am not a messiah, or a supernatural being from another dimension. The way I see it is this. The Bible, the Koran and all other religious texts and books are very important to all of us, so long as we grow up and approach them from a modern and adult and sensible way. They are all part of the story of our historical struggle to understand our spiritual nature. All the smiting of peoples and weird and wonderful acts of God, and the loving and the brutal stories are all STORIES, PROBABLY TRUE IN MANY RESPECTS, but stories of primitive people struggling with things that still confound us to this day, even with what we have achieved scientifically.

We should celebrate all our religious scriptures. It will be brutally difficult for many of you to tear away from the simplistic models contained in each individual religion, I feel for you, genuinely, but they are all essentially about the same thing. Until you even begin to grasp this, you will continue to torture and murder each other in the name of something you all have in common, and which is the same universal truth that could just as easily bring you all together laughing and smiling.

But anyway, well done Cranmer. Leave the kids alone. Don't destroy something out of pure fear and confusion because it has rocked your boat, disturbs your comfort zone, pops your bubble of self righteous superiority, and threatens your own model of conformity.

14 February 2009 at 11:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Indigo, you are certainly not the Messiah, I suspect you may be someone known to us all!

14 February 2009 at 11:27  
Blogger Microcosm said...

An interesting perspective your Grace, I feel it prudent we also draw parallels with many of the strong Christian Southern States of America, who so bravely resisted the power push of the International Banker in the Civil War. For many of their States have or had low ages of consent, of around 13yrs.

Marriage was an important part of the commitment though, having strong Christian values and all.

A moral value that seems lacking now in our International Banker Controlled World, with the latest Great Depression they have wrought on humanity though, who knows, maybe conditions will soon be favourable for little Alfie to get a job cleaning chimneys to provide for his child.

Thing is with the modern day Christian and their fondness of everything Jewish, rather than their own culture, history and heritage it almost makes you weep with joy when one considers they get locked away, deemed as mentally ill people by Marxists.

I feel England is showing signs of this mental illness, don't you.

14 February 2009 at 11:32  
Anonymous indigo said...


Don't tell me, let me guess...I am the Anti-Christ rising from the sea to usher in the final days! Why do I even bother?

14 February 2009 at 11:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Quite right again. They don't seem to get it, do they? Just like little children really, when you think about it.

14 February 2009 at 11:47  
Anonymous Cynical Gnostic said...

I wonder how committed this little chap is going to be when he sees his pals out enjoying themselves and comes under heavy peer pressure. Will he choose footie or dirty nappies?

I didn't become a parent until I was almost 32 and, whilst I bless the day my son was born, it curtailed my social life very sharply for several years. Will a teenager show the restraint I had to? Given his lack of restraint so far it's hard to believe he will.

While Your Grace shows a wonderfully Christian attitude which is to be applauded, I'm afraid I have to remain sceptical. Sorry.

14 February 2009 at 12:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace,

A year or two ago you were kind enough to refer to me as 'a regular Communicant'. This wonderful post makes me understand why I am humbled to be so described.

14 February 2009 at 12:14  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Good posting Your Grace. It's interesting that the knee jerk reaction of the system is to call for more sex education for infants, there seems to be no shortage of knowledge about sex among the young, as one teacher stated " they know more about it than their parents" the shortfall that I see is that sex is reduced to the level of a risque game, there is no respect for one another & no thought of the possible down side, disease, pregnancy etc.
This lad has done his best to take responsibility, but for every youngster that does so, hundreds or possibly thousands will take the 'easy' way out, a sad comment on societies example to the young.

14 February 2009 at 12:26  
Anonymous indigo said...

Cynical Gnostic

What would you say got you through your struggle to relinquish your selfish ideals? Was it the skepticism of other selfish arseholes, or was it people who thought that happiness can be achieved by other means?

I don't doubt for one minute that it will be a struggle for them. Life is indeed struggle, like you your self admit, even though you tried to subscribe to the materialistic model. But what is there to be gained from wishing the worse upon them, except maybe to justify your own struggle and subconscious hatred for the system which pins you down on a daily basis? Why not not wish them the best of luck? There is no suggestion that they should be made role models, but the hysteria in the media over this is simply to sate the perverse nature of what we have become.

14 February 2009 at 12:31  
Anonymous Gnostic said...

Indigo, we're all entitled to have an opinion, even you. If you don't like mine then that's too bad.

14 February 2009 at 13:10  
Anonymous billjones said...

There is immense hysteria in the media over this. Anyone would think that this is a unique happening, the universe has witnessed something for the first time. I am by no means keen on the Islamic faith, but you Christians seem to have something mean spirited about you. An anal retentive, guilt driven fear of sin, that manifests its self in the most horrible withered and cowardly manner.

I agree with indigo. Although I am not atheist, and firmly dislike Dawkins because of his religious approach to science, I don't feel the need to subscribe to the scribblings of confused primitive and ancient humans.

There is in my mind, unquestionably, a very real spiritual side to all of us. There are forces that science cannot even begin to explain. I don't have the answers, I don't pretend to, but what is there to be gained from slaughtering each other over who's scribblings should be held to be the best. They are the story of US, all of us, our continued struggle to understand our situation. Wine does not turn into the body of some bloke nailed to a cross 2000 odd years ago, any more than 70 virgins adorn the soul of some savage suicide bomber.

Come on fellas its time to grow up now and be realistic. There are aspects of all scripture that make for truly fantastic reading, but see them for what they are. When God said "smite the sodomites" in the minds of who ever he said it to , it was a psychological response to deeply confused minds. They were following their biblical narrative on a daily basis, it was the best they could do. Smite the sodomites was the next conclusive step, and to get God to say it was also part of the process.

We still need this spiritual partnership because of our vague and wholly lacking data base of real understanding. But isn't it time to put things into modern perspective?

14 February 2009 at 13:25  
Anonymous indigo said...


I truly love your opinion, it confirms my darkest fears. i would not deny you your opinion, ever. I disagree with it, for reasons which I think are clear in my own stated opinion. But I do not dislike your opinion, it energises me with a self righteous sense of more and intellectual superiority. I thank you for providing the soil for my growth.

14 February 2009 at 13:30  
Anonymous Gnostic said...

Well we'll see. Your intellectual superiority againt a teenager's materialistic wants. Only time will tell.

14 February 2009 at 13:40  
Blogger Captain Haddock said...

I don't think anyone is suggesting that the young man is anything other than a victim in all of this.
But we should not shy away from condemning what amounts to his abuse by those supposedly responsible for his upbringing.
Congratulate him for bringing another life into the world whose chances of perpetuating this depressing cycle of mindless reproduction is almost 100%? I'm sorry, but I see no reason for the pro-lifers to claim this as a victory, Your Grace

14 February 2009 at 14:16  
Anonymous indigo said...



14 February 2009 at 14:23  
Anonymous Gnostic said...

Indigo, I enjoyed a polite upbringing so please, after you...

14 February 2009 at 14:28  
Blogger Microcosm said...

"I don't feel the need to subscribe to the scribblings of confused primitive and ancient humans."

I agree with that comment billjones, exepting that there has never been any primitive and ancient human beings, all human activity that ever took place was present day and modern.

Sometimes I fear even my present day modern scribblings seem confused and primitive, but I put it down to education, education, education everytime, oh yes and inequality in the distribution of wealth :D

14 February 2009 at 14:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Indigio ,
In a new agey ,brain fuddled sort of way , you have been quite amusing.
However you have now become quite boring!
If all you have is hate, so what?.

14 February 2009 at 14:41  
Anonymous non mouse said...

franco-german marxist theory scores again!!! freudists, lacanists, and all their sicko hangers - on are capitalizing on this manifestation of their theory turned to practice! 'Everything's OK so long as it liberates something' - [and destroys Britain so that the young can build something new. Q: 'Build what?' A: Shrug; 'something.']

Only ... it's not new. Remember when the french and other europhiles were running the country before? Wars of the Roses? That was when Margaret Beaufort appeared - right around the age of these 2 infants -and produced her little boy Henry!!! That father copped it in one of the battles. But that was OK; she was a rich girl, so other people married her; one after the other!

Henry? His uncle in Wales took care of him, until their castle (Pembroke) got sacked. Momma sent her only son to france. [She was unable to have more children - but hey, obstetrics have improved; so the superior moderns needn't mind whether the mother's body is mature enough].

When Henry Tudor was grew up he came back and took over from Wicked Uncle Richard III. I say Henry VII did a good job, overall -though Your Grace has the most valuable insight about what followed!

Pity the present ruling elite sees fit to undo it all.

P.S. Presumably the media use this probably not uncommon story to distract us from less entertaining matters of sovereignty, freedom of speech, the economy, and JJackboots' neu police force? No point in peasants thinking about putting the world to rights ... to say nothing of the flashpoint of the hate-filled foreigners.

14 February 2009 at 15:04  
Anonymous yorkie said...

well.. ok.
but now sendt'little bugger downt'pit to earn his crust, cuz someone else is gonna have to pay fort'bebby otherwise.

14 February 2009 at 15:29  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


"..all human activity that ever took place was present day and modern.."

Precisely and it is only the human construct of 'time' which makes the past remote. Or as remote as one cares to make it.

14 February 2009 at 15:44  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Bad editing - sorry. Henry Tudor was grown up. Or grew up. Can't remember what was there originally!

Was just remembering, also - next time the euros really had a field day here was the Jacobeans. Talk about degeneracy. Not to mention Civil War...

I bet some manifestation of the indigo legion was in its element then - even his branch of chemistry was a step or two behind (but not much).

14 February 2009 at 15:54  
Anonymous the recusant said...

The curiosity surrounding this case is that Alfie Patten doesn’t look 10 never mind 14; the proceeds from the sale of his story and that of the mother of Maisie Roxanne will hopefully go in some measure to provide for the needs of this new family. Whether he is able or even willing to marry the mother when he reaches 16 is another matter.

It will undoubtedly be the mother, Chantelle Steadman who will carry the burden of raising the child, and in modern Britain it is to her that the lion’s share of credit must go for not destroying the child.

I have come to understand that in those communities where teenage pregnancy is not uncommon, one of the surprising outcomes is the anti abortion attitude prevalent among the young mothers to be. Against all the pressure brought to bear on these young women, in spite of the ‘wisdom’ and ‘common sense’ fired at them, they choose life. Bloody well done.

Against the bottomless pit that is the banking bail out, the chiselling greed of MPs (Ms Jacqui Smith) and excessive council remuneration, I do not begrudge using some of my taxes to provide for the future generation that will have to pay back this mess, God help them.

14 February 2009 at 16:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Am I the only person in Britain asking this question:

Is this boy really the father of this baby?

Doctors reportedly "expressed surprise" that he was able to father a baby. They won't be the only ones.

Social services are seriously letting these kids down if they don't perform a discreet paternity test. They need to absolutely exclude the possibility that Chantelle has been sexually abused by someone else.

This is to my mind a very real possibility, and one that seems more likely than the claim that a boy who is four feet tall and has no discernable signs of puberty, was able -- nearly a year ago -- to father a baby.

What seems more far-fetched to you?

14 February 2009 at 16:19  
Anonymous Sir Henry Morgan said...

Your Grace

Sometimes I agree with you, and sometimes I don't.

But whatever ... you're a good man ... or woman.

14 February 2009 at 16:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

congratulations on being insane !

14 February 2009 at 18:14  
Anonymous indigo said...


So what? Die. Suffer. Be frustrated. Summon up your best condescending skills you have learnt to taunt other people with, but die.

14 February 2009 at 18:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Indigo. Cursing christians is a risky business,
Because you get God involved.
" I will curse those who curse you"

14 February 2009 at 18:36  
Anonymous indigo said...


Stop taking it personally. I am just trying to invoke emotion. My personality is riddled with flaws, and I accept this, it is OK for me.

As a way of making amends maybe I can share something with you. I chose this especially for you, its a Personal development article. Not that I think your person needs developing, but its just a suspicion I have in this particular department.

But seriously though, Cranmer's blog is a place for all kinds of debate, its fascinating. Its debate that is open, and honest, with no threats of legal action, or Jihad, very refreshing I find.

14 February 2009 at 19:03  
Blogger Unsworth said...

Your Grace

And may God protect him, his child and the mother of the child. I fear for them all.

14 February 2009 at 21:32  
Blogger ba ba said...

This is one of the truest and fairest posts i have read of yours, and most of them are both true and fair anyway.

Good luck Alfie.

14 February 2009 at 23:21  
Blogger ba ba said...

Am I the only person in Britain asking this question:

"Is this boy really the father of this baby?"

No; Thats what my other half said too.

14 February 2009 at 23:22  
Blogger ZZMike said...

I suspect that young Patten may well grow up to be a good father. At least, he seems to be on the right track. But without that wider family support, he has no chance.

When his son turns 13, he'll be only 26.

Microcosm: "Sometimes I fear even my present day modern scribblings seem confused and primitive, but I put it down to education, education, education everytime, oh yes and inequality in the distribution of wealth :D"

I put it down to the mind-boggling influence of postmodernism.

As to your other point, that's certainly true. As we all know, the D of W is handled by a secretive world-wide cartel, run by an organization whose roots go back to the ancient Egyptians (or is it the Druids? I can never remember. The cartel is so secretive about their origins).

recusant: This is an odd state of affairs:

"Whether he is able or even willing to marry the mother when he reaches 16 is another matter."

They've brought forth a son, yet can't get married. If the younger age estimate is correct, that young son, then 6, will be able to act as ring-bearer.

That assumes, somewhat optimistically, that Christian marriage will still be allowed in Formerly Great Britain.

There are far too many Anonymouses (Anonymii?) to keep track of. I shall pay them no more attention.

15 February 2009 at 00:07  
Blogger Harry Hook said...

"...the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these."
As a mere taxpayer for the last 40 years... If that's the case... I say they're bleedin' welcome to it.

15 February 2009 at 01:01  
Anonymous Problem Reaction Solution said...

Your Grace, the Establishment wants us dead, that involves am ever increasing and multifaceted attack on us.
This story is simply being pushed so we will react with shock and horror and demand that our children be sterilised.
Remember it was they that started introducing our children to sex at 5 yrs old.
This is how they work, forst of all they create the Problem so we will demand that they act.
In this case, Introduce children to sex, when they start experimenting, wait for the public outcry then suggest sterilising our children.
Your Grace, they want us dead, we are in their way, the sooner we accept that, the sooner we can engage the enemy and win this WAR.

The British Holocaust

This Video illustrates this perfectly well.

15 February 2009 at 08:57  
Blogger Georgina x said...

Okaii we have sex with 5 year old but is tht really the same as 13 hes probably only just moved up to year 8 and now he has a child and the mum she probably wants to do her GCSE's but shes going to have to look after her child unless her mum and dad gets stuck in to help. The question is will they be together foreva or will they go seperate ways hes only 13 and shes only 15 wont they find people they are fully in love with, but we will have to wait and see how they cope and if they grow up to be good parents but i am only 13 myself it doesnt seem that good but i can guess his type if hes gone and had sex. Well they should be happy they have a beautiful young baby it all depends now if they stay together ir not.

15 February 2009 at 09:06  
Blogger Georgina x said...

To ZZMike


my friends mum had her when she was 19 and they are doing fine she has a little sister aswell!


atleast they will be happy!!!!!

15 February 2009 at 09:09  
Blogger Joe said...

Cranmer, perhaps you or the Catholic church would be so kind as to fully support this child and all who come forward in this matter. Then the true fallacy of the church will become known and financially broken just as the UK government is affected by each birth it must pay for. Somehow, I rather doubt the church could or would support every hungry mouth, how in the world are your policies reasonable ???

15 February 2009 at 12:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You need to update your story. As I said earlier, they did it for the money:

15 February 2009 at 13:12  
Blogger OldSouth said...

Greetings from the Colonies, Your Grace.

Alfie is in for quite a life, to be certain. Hopefully, everyone will settle down, and come up with a sane plan that works in the best interests of this boy, his child, and the child's mother. The less the state is involved, and the more quiet saints in the local parish involved, the better.

At least, he's doing better than another young father here locally.
He was fifteen, already the father of two, and murdered in a drug-related drive-by shooting in a small town nearby. His entire life had dropped between the cracks of civilized society, and I expect the same will be true of his children.

The murder, of course, remains unsolved over a year later, and there is little chance that the true story of this tragedy will ever emerge. The journalist who covered it has moved on (understandably) to a job in another town, not on the police 'beat'.

Kyrie eleison.

15 February 2009 at 16:04  
Blogger Little Black Sambo said...

The more that comes out about the mother's family the more unsavoury the story becomes. And at least two more eligible fathers have come forward, both more plausible than the older of the two infants in the picture.

15 February 2009 at 16:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i cannot even begin to list off everything wrong with what you say here.
alfie's situation is not admirable, its the absolute most horrible thing that could ever happen to anyone his age or even a few years older.
you think he deserves to be 'admitted into the kingdom of heaven' or some bs because he is taking responsibility? he doesnt understand a thing about what he's doing! a reporter asked him about his financial situation and he asked what "financial" meant!!
it is horrifically vile what the world has come to, not just with alfie and chantelle's situation but how christianity is so completely corrupt that these things can actually be ENCOURAGED! you say his parents must have done something right in raising him? are you for real? this one of the biggest tarnishes a parent can have on their reputation! youre saying that there should be more parents who raise horny, dumb children who get pregnant and then decide to renounce their afterschool nose-picking time to raise a child who will forever live in constant ridicule and pity in being barely a decade younger than her father? uh, no. oh wait, i do admire alfie for one thing-for being brave and risking a time-out by telling his parents about his major eff-up.

15 February 2009 at 20:11  
Blogger George Millman said...

I'm not religious, but I totally agree with everything you say here. It's going to be tough for Alfie, but he gets support from his family, he loves his daughter and that's what counts.

I am desperately hoping that the DNA test will prove he is the father. It's going to be so sad if it turns out his girlfriend cheated on him. Best wishes Alfie!

15 February 2009 at 21:53  
Blogger Ayrdale said...

Sir, a very surprising post, but one that changed my cynical and sceptical mind.

You are quite right, abortion wasn't chosen; but dare I say it, here in NZ abortion is frequently not chosen because young women benefit financially from having children, often to multiple partners a.nd view it as a lifestyle option.

Not to say of course, that this is the case here, and we can only hope that the light that seems to shine in that young, clear gaze has wisdom beyond those tender years.

16 February 2009 at 07:52  
Anonymous paris bars said...

This story is so crazy !

16 February 2009 at 09:56  
Blogger DWMF said...

I'm with the two posters who doubt that this boy actually fathered the child. LBS confirms my hunch that this whole circus is a money-making sensation/scheme cooked up by that boy's mother. Has anyone insisted on a DNA test yet?

Fathering children brings the responsibility of their upbringing and paying for it yourself. At the age of 13, this boy has no chance of fulfilling any such obligations. Especially in the modern world; it takes on average another 10 years to become a decent wage-earner.

Why have there been no pictures of the girl that gave birth? Simply because they would be unremarkable, or is there something else?

16 February 2009 at 10:22  
Anonymous Fergus Mason said...

"And Cranmer would rather his taxes helped to raise this little child than subsidise an abortion on the NHS."

YOU might well feel that way; I don't. Fortunately I have just emigrated, so I won't be one of the luckless UK taxpayers who have to subsidise the dysfunctional offspring of these feckless, parasitic scum.

16 February 2009 at 17:06  
Anonymous Andy W said...

Well it would now appear that the Kingdom of Heaven may well belong to others given the number of young men claiming to be the father.

Perhaps the good Lord should have created stronger knicker elastic.

16 February 2009 at 17:27  
Anonymous Is there any wonder said...

The Media's Anti British Psyops against us and our children

17 February 2009 at 14:44  
Blogger Young Mr. Brown said...

Your Grace has written a kind and generous post, and in this unkind and ungenerous world, that must be a good thing.

I am not certain that your post is balanced and realistic though, and feel that the points made by Mr. leg-iron are well-put and realistic. I have a feeling that if society makes a fuss of Alfie, the rest will be wanting one too.

18 February 2009 at 12:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think finacially, he will not be able to support a child. But, he should be physically able to, and so should the mother. After all, if they both were not physically able to care for a child, why was the boy fertile? And why was the mother able to get pregnant? Because nature says they can. The only restricions are the age restricions of the modern day world.

22 February 2009 at 21:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All I can say is "Thank G-d for the Enlightenment, the Seperation of Church and State, the theory of Evolution, and the internet, so we can all see how idiotic Christians can be.

I'd love to make a bet that we see Maisie on the Jeremy Kyle show in 14 years time taking her baby for a DNA test.

24 February 2009 at 16:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from pwlos
I have been looking at all the comments about Alfie.
I can realize I am not the only one who doubt upon Alfie being the father.
Every day, reading the Bible, Psalms and prayers, I pray for Alfie. I would like to be near him to gently help him, talking, listening, not judging.
I am afraid it's not possible: I am too old, to far away.
But I'd like to help Him
"Let teh little childrfen come to me"

9 March 2009 at 20:42  

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