Thursday, February 05, 2009

Lord Ahmed: “Arrest British Jews fighting for IDF”

Cranmer does not wish to seem overly obsessed by this odious individual - and His Grace had wanted to move on to another matter today - but Lord Ahmed is either losing his marbles or is slowly revealing what he has been all along, having simply awaited the appointed time (a few weeks before imprisonment?) to unmask himself fully.

He has graciously consented to an ‘exclusive interview’ for Press TV, an Iranian international news network. It is most illuminating.

Cranmer was going to give it a good fisking, but has of late - but wherefore he knows not – lost all his mirth, forgone all custom of exercises; and indeed, it goes so heavily with his disposition that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to him a sterile promontory; this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o’erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire - why, it appears no other thing to him than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.

If readers and communicants cannot be bothered to read the entire interview, Cranmer is pleased to provide the edited highlights (with a light fisking):

Lord Ahmed: ... Lord Malloch-Brown did actually say that if there is any evidence of the 4th Geneva Convention being breached, and it doesn't matter whether they are British citizens or whether they are other nationalities, these people will be arrested and they will be tried in this country.

And what of any breaches of the 4th Geneva Convention by Hamas? What of the breaches of any international conventions by Hamas? In the recent years, and in the present on-going military conflict, the Hamas terrorist organisation ruling in Gaza has committed a large number of diverse war crimes, as defined by International Law. They have fired 6,300 rockets targeting Israeli civilians. In Gaza, Hamas stored rockets and other weaponry and ammunition primarily in residential areas - in houses, mosques, and schools. Thousands of rocket and mortar grenade attacks were launched from within these areas, obliging Israeli military response which inevitably led to great suffering of the population and damage to property. According to International Law, any source of fire on civilian targets is a legitimate target itself. In this case, Hamas is fully responsible both for the deliberately targeted Israeli civilian casualties and for the civilian casualties of its own population used by Hamas as a human shield.

Press TV: How do you think the British Jewish community will react to such a move?

Lord Ahmed: Well the reaction was very obvious. One of their lordships got up and started to praise the British citizens who were fighting in Gaza. He said: shouldn't we be proud of the fact they are fighting against terrorists who are hell bent on trying to destroy Israel. But they are not fighting against a terrorist organization as such. The IDF and those who serve in it have been involved in the massacre of civilians, including hundreds of Palestinian children and attacks on the United Nations and even the American school. There is just no excuse for anyone to get away from these war crimes this time.

The reaction of Jews was very obvious? Was it any less obvious than your reaction, or that of thousands of other Muslims who took to the streets of London in protest? It is curious that you say Hamas is ‘not a terrorist organisation as such’. What is this 'as such'? It is also curious that many Arab countries identify them as being so, as do Fatah, which speaks for a significant proportion of Palestinians. And why do you omit to mention the crimes which Hamas inflict upon the Palestinian people – the beatings, murders and persecution of political opponents?

Press TV: Is this situation comparable to British Muslims allegedly going to fight in foreign conflicts?

Lord Ahmed: There have been many government statements with regards to British Muslims going abroad to foreign madrasahs and then seeking training. There was a huge outcry across the board - from government officials, politicians and civil society. Of course, we do not support anyone who has been involved with terrorism or killing of innocent civilians anywhere, or those who fight British troops abroad.

However, to me there is no difference whether the young person is from a Jewish background or Muslim background. The only difference is that one has a uniform and the other does not. Both kill innocent civilians. Both need to be brought justice.

This is why Baroness Tongue asked the question about the number of British youth who go to religious Jewish schools and also the kibbutz. In this case, it is a double standard to allow young British citizens of whatever religion, who go to religious schools and then get involved in armed conflicts and join a terrorist state.

So a kibbutz is a Jewish madrasah? Israel is a ‘terrorist state’? Lord Ahmed is of the opinion that Hamas mercenaries are every bit as legitimate as Israel’s legally-constituted defence force. Is this why he calls down 10,000 Muslims to Parliament? Will their notion of the rule of law be as legitimate as that of the Metropolitan Police? Surely the only difference is that one has a uniform and the other does not...

Press TV: Are you expecting any progress now that you have raised the issue?

Lord Ahmed: My intention was to bring this matter to the attention of parliament. The second was to discuss this openly in the media. It has always been a taboo to ask any questions about Jewish youth who go to Israel for training and service in the IDF.

Discuss it openly? Like ‘Fitna’? Is it not taboo to ask any questions about Geert Wilders’ juxtaposition of Quranic verses with terrorist atrocities?


We went to see the President of the European Parliament and met with a number of Members of the European Parliament who feel that Germany, Austria and France and other parts of Europe still have guilt in relation to the Holocaust. That is why Israel can get away with anything it wants.

Lord Ahmed, you are an hypocritical, two-faced, taqqiya-infected, manipulative, deceitful, ignoble Peer of the Realm. As His Grace continues to explore the legal means of bringing you to account, he shall be praying fervently that your sentencing in a few weeks shall be proportionate and just. Pray, what is the Quranic penalty for allegedly causing death by dangerous driving?

It is not Israel which ‘gets away with anything it wants’, but Hamas. And the failure to prosecute them will lead to their war crimes growing to become normative behaviour. And the failure to prosecute you will lead to your perverse proclamations becoming normative also.


Blogger Mike Spilligan said...

No apologies are needed for continuing your pursuit of this odious toad. I'm surprised that the MSM haven't picked it up, especially as it started before the "big" news; snow.
I wonder who Ahmed's supporters were when he was ennobled?

5 February 2009 at 08:05  
Blogger Jomo said...

I am surprised you are surprised.

The left is in thrall to the noble lord and his associates. I suspect the latter's ability to deliver 10,000 postal votes when needed overcomes any fears about the long term agenda.

Israel provides the lightening rod for both groups. They are both caught up in a quasi anti-colonial struggle where terrorists are really freedom fighters engaging in a liberation movement.

While the leftists are overgrown adolescents like T Benn continuing to "immature with age," their erstwhile allies have a plan - the destruction of Israel is stage one. I think you can guess the rest.

5 February 2009 at 08:37  
Blogger Juankerr said...

"I wonder who Ahmed's supporters were when he was ennobled?"

Mike, DOH SILLY! It was the people in Labour waiting for the cheque to clear!

5 February 2009 at 08:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do British "Jewish youth" train and serve in the Israeli forces? If so, that would seem to be illegal -

“If any person, without the license of Her Majesty, being a British subject, within or without Her Majesty’s dominions, accepts or agrees to accept any commission or engagement in the military or naval service of any foreign state at war with any foreign state at peace with Her Majesty, and in this Act referred to as a friendly state, or whether a British subject or not within Her Majesty’s dominions, induces any other person to accept or agree to accept any commission or engagement in the military or naval service of any such foreign state as aforesaid,— He shall be guilty of an offence against this Act, and shall be punishable by fine and imprisonment, or either of such punishments, at the discretion of the court before which the offender is convicted; . . .”

But I suppose that depends if one considers the Palestinian territories to be at peace with her Majesty?

As for 'Lord' Ahmed, he's clearly raising his profile (ie. British Muslim figurehead) as a means of reducing his impending sentence. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out with the judiciary.

5 February 2009 at 08:43  
Blogger Tyburn Jig said...

The ignoble criminal "Lord" Ahmed is just another parliamentary pig with his snout in the trough of public money.

5 February 2009 at 09:27  
Blogger ProudGeordie said...

Pray, what is the Quranic penalty for causing death by dangerous driving?

I believe under Sharia Law he must pay adequate financial restitution to the family which by my reckoning is 34 years the deceased mans salary plus a considerable allowance for the emotional distress to his family. As the deceased was a non-muslim and therefore 'sub-human' the final payment will be 25% of if the man had been Muslim.

I'm sure the noble Lord has the financial means to cover that?

5 February 2009 at 10:04  
Blogger The Penguin said...

I posted a piece on Old Holborn's blog concerning this odious little person, who has blood on his bumpers through driving into a motorist (and his car) on the motorway whilst not paying much attention because he was texting.

Pleaded bang to rights in magistrates court, loadsa money m'learned friend mitigating, sentence bunged up to crown court and deferred until (from memory) 25th February.

Silly young waitress does exactly the same, legal team couresy of taxpayer, 21 months in prison.

One does hope there is a similar stretch awaiting Lord Ahmed.

The Penguin

5 February 2009 at 10:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'One does hope there is a similar stretch awaiting Lord Ahmed.'

In your dreams, Penguin, in your dreams.

And, deep down, you know it.

5 February 2009 at 11:09  
Anonymous Hereward said...

Unfortunately, the very fact that he pleaded guilty will stand him in good stead with the Court, and he probably won't get the maximum tariff.

5 February 2009 at 11:11  
Blogger Damo Mackerel said...

and you may find this interesting:

UN retracts claim over Gaza school attack
Wednesday, 4 February 2009 20:49
The UN has retracted a claim that an Israeli strike, which killed more than 40 people in northern Gaza last month, hit a school run by a UN agency.

'The humanitarian coordinator would like to clarify that the shelling, and all of the fatalities, took place outside rather than inside the school,' said the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

It stressed that its initial report of the 6 January incident correctly stated that Israeli shells hit outside the school run by UNRWA, but admitted that it later referred to 'the shelling of the UNRWA school in Jabaliya.'

AdvertisementThe Israeli military initially said its forces had responded to hostile fire from within the UN school but later retracted that statement.

The attack sparked widespread outrage in the midst of Israel's deadly offensive in Gaza.

Meanwhile, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees has revealed that Hamas has seized hundreds of food parcels and thousands of blankets destined for Gaza civilians.

'At 14:30 on 3 February, over 3,500 blankets and 406 food parcels were confiscated from a distribution store at Beach Camp in Gaza by police personnel,' it said in a statement.

'This took place after UNRWA staff had earlier refused to hand over the aid supplies to the Hamas-run ministry of social affairs.

'The police subsequently broke into the warehouse and seized the aid by force.'

All the supplies were due to be distributed to 500 families in the area.

The Hamas government's social affairs minister Ahmed al-Kurd implicitly confirmed the aid was seized, arguing that it should be distributed to a wider section of the Gaza population and not only those who hold refugee status.

'The Hamas government is the main party responsible for the distribution and supervision of this aid in an equitable manner,' he said.

Virtually all aid delivered to Gaza comes from UN and other humanitarian agencies.

5 February 2009 at 12:02  
Blogger Andrew said...

You have to be very careful about the facts. Lord Ahmed was NOT guilty of causing death by dangerous driving. He was found guilty of dangerous driving.

5 February 2009 at 12:36  
OpenID curly15 said...

I think I've read enough about this odious individual now, perhaps some press hack in the MSM might now want to take up the cudgel on your behalf, and inform the rest of our population about his horrible exploits.

5 February 2009 at 13:28  
Anonymous ECS said...

I fear Ahmed can not be properly described as "noble" even if he sits in what once was a chamber of people of noble birth. Since the Blair reforms, and to be fair, some that preceded his, the chamber is full of money grubbing commoners. Regardless of their political persuasions.

5 February 2009 at 14:03  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Did Lord Ahmed say “Arrest British Jews fighting for IDF”

or did he mean “Arrest British Jews”

5 February 2009 at 14:12  
Blogger Microcosm said...

Your Grace doth protest to much, we know its Israel and Jews you are overly obsessed with, not this odious individual.

The question we need to ask is this, will the traitor Jews and traitor muslims share cells or shall we seek a two cell solution?

5 February 2009 at 14:36  
Blogger an ex-apprentice said...

Your Grace,

Ahmed is a truly obnoxious and repugnant individual who represents, in his views and opinions, everything inimical both to our parliamentary democracy, and our entire way of life.
Perversely, it is absolutely right and appropriate that he should have been enobled and that he sits in the Lords.

He is an excellent illustrative representation of his "community" and it would be quite wrong if the Lords were to be protected or sheltered from the Islamic influence they have assisted in inflicting on the rest of the country.

Ahmed acts as a reminder, for those who need one, of just how far we have sunk.

5 February 2009 at 14:54  
Blogger Jabba the Cat said...

Jabba recalls that after the last great war collaborators were shaven of head and then tarred and feathered. If such a fate were to await this despicable peer, in this life or the next, then a modicum of balance would be restored.

5 February 2009 at 17:04  
Blogger len said...

Lord Ahmed stands against all that is honest, true, and good.
Does Islam support him?
I have not heard any Islamic voices of condemnation!.

5 February 2009 at 18:52  
Blogger McKenzie said...

He reminds me of someone but I can't quit place him.

5 February 2009 at 18:53  
Blogger len said...

I think as your Grace has suggested, the mask has slipped and we are now seeing the true face!.
Are we seeing the man, the religion , or both?.

5 February 2009 at 19:14  
Blogger ZZMike said...

"And what of any breaches of the 4th Geneva Convention by Hamas?"

Did they sign? If not, then like Germany during WW II, they're off the hook for whatever they do.

Mike Spilligan: Give our regards to Sarry Hecombe.

"Cranmer was going to give it a good fisking, but has of late - but wherefore he knows not – lost all his mirth, forgone all custom of exercises...."

Having read the few extracts you posted, I can thoroughly undertstand that. Mr Ahmed is truly a black hole for decency and truth. A true fisking would require an asbestos suit and hip-deep wading boots (not necessarily against water). One could not stay long in his environment without comg out truly scarred.

I do believe someone should ask Mr Blair why this oaf ever got to be a Lord.

God's bodkins - if Ahmed can be made a peer, then what's standing in the way of Mohamed Al-Fayed?

5 February 2009 at 20:07  
Blogger McKenzie said...

I think it is fair to suppose that this is related to the overall concern of this post?

But apparently, "Democracy is a Cancer and Islam is the Answer", according to THESE pictures taken at Normancot, Stoke this afternoon.

5 February 2009 at 20:15  
Anonymous Shaven-headed tattooed knuckledragger said...

"Democracy is a Cancer and Islam is the Answer"

Islam is a lethal, contagious malignancy that invades and subverts the body politic to further its spread.

5 February 2009 at 23:08  
OpenID BL@KBIRD said...

You can not put Tony Blair's gift of diversity to the House in prison now. It would look like your trying to silence him with a mean spirited ridiculous penalty for the death of a filthy unbeliever of no significance compared to Lord Ahmed.

Lord Ahmed protected the magnificent Mohammedans of Britain and now he is to be punished?!!?!!? I don't think so kaffir!

6 February 2009 at 00:06  
Anonymous Dave J. said...

"But I suppose that depends if one considers the Palestinian territories to be at peace with her Majesty?"

No, it depends if one considers Gaza to be a state, which it is not. It is an unallocated portion of the Palestine Mandate, still under the de jure authority of the UN as successor to the League of Nations.

6 February 2009 at 02:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dave J.,

It's an old law ("her Majesty" being Victoria) so the application of the word 'state' in this instance would probably need to be reinterpreted by a judge, given the complexities of the Palestinian situation.

6 February 2009 at 11:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is amazing to me, that there is so much confusion over who the terrorists are. Hamas is a terrorist organization that condones and facilitates suicide bombings and will kill every Jew on the planet if they have the chance.
Israel is an energetic democracy with a vibrant press. Israel is a free country that abides by the rule of law. By contrast, if a writer were to go to Gaza or Iran, for instance, and start writing bad words, he might wind up on the news, dead.
Israel allows Christians and Arab Muslims to worship freely, while Hamas wants to see us all at the bottom of the sea. Hamas, supported by Iran, is clear about their goals: they want to wipe out Israel completely, utterly, with finality. But it’s not just Israel that Hamas wants to kill; they want to kill all Jews everywhere.

7 February 2009 at 02:45  
Anonymous E.C.S said...

Dear Anonymous,
You say, correctly I believe, that Hamas wants to kill all Jews. But I fear that we are all Jews to Hamas, that is, those of Christian faith.

7 February 2009 at 16:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An enemy of the Jewish people , and the christians ( grafted in) is an enemy of God.

8 February 2009 at 10:52  
Anonymous Gnostic said...

The sooner this hypocritical imbecile is sentenced to a jail term, the better.

9 February 2009 at 13:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course you blame others for the terrorist actions of Hamas. Typical of the Islamic world, it is always someone else's fault.

13 February 2009 at 17:36  

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