Wednesday, February 04, 2009

Lord Ahmed must be prosecuted for treason

Lord Ahmed has been a Labour life peer since 1998. He was the first Muslim to have been so honoured. His presence in the House of Lords is symbolically as important as the first Roman Catholic to enter Parliament after the Relief Act 1829 or the first woman after the Representation of the People Act 1918. Nazir Ahmed’s behaviour matters, both in the message it sends to his fellow Muslims and in what it represents to the rest of us.

As far as Cranmer is concerned, any person, however ennobled, who threatens to bring a horde of 10,000 Muslims upon Parliament in order to stifle debate and bully it into submission is no ‘moderate’. By threatening this, Lord Ahmed has shown himself to be one of the very extremists he purports to eschew, committed to the same ideology as those who seek to impose Shari’a law upon the UK and subjugate the kuffar to the will of Allah. He is of the very mindset of those imams imported from Pakistan who poison the minds of Britain’s Muslim youth and distort the teachings of the Qur’an for their own warped ends. He is an arrogant bully, manifestly used to getting his own way, and he lords it over their Lordships to the extent that his religio-political adherence exhorts him to do so.

Well, Lord Ahmed, this is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and we do things differently here.

The rule of law must be maintained. The more Cranmer has considered His Lordship’s threat, the more he has pondered the religio-political implications of Parliament yielding in order not to offend those who worship Allah while becoming increasingly intolerant of those who dare to worship Jesus.

There are reports that the House of Lords is intent on proceeding with a screening of Fitna despite (or because of) Lord Ahmed’s threat, and (although Geert Wilders has produced a truly awful ‘documentary’ with an utterly crude portrayal of Islam) this is a triumph of liberty over oppression.

But this should not be the end of the matter.

As the Justice Secretary considers new legislation to expel members of the House of Lords for various manifestations of ‘inappropriate behaviour’, much has been made of ‘Erminegate’ – the ‘cash for amendments’ cases of Lord Snape, Lord Taylor of Blackburn, Lord Truscott of St James and Lord Moonie. Not to mention the incendiary issue of Lord Watson.

But Lord Ahmed is himself awaiting sentence for causing death through dangerous driving, which ought to be sufficient to expel him from the House of Lords under Jack Straw’s new proposals. And it ought to be remembered that the Lord Ahmed who seeks to stifle discussion about Islamism is the same Lord Ahmed who invited the notorious Swedish anti-Semite Jöran Jermas or ‘Israel Shamir’ to the House of Lords back in 2005.

His thesis included observations such as: ‘All the (political) parties are Zionist-infiltrated’; ‘Your newspapers belong to Zionists... Jews indeed own, control and edit a big share of mass media, this mainstay of Imperial thinking’; ‘In the Middle East we have just one reason for wars, terror and trouble - and that is Jewish supremacy drive... in Iraq, the US and its British dependency continue the same old fight for ensuring Jewish supremacy in the Middle East’; ‘The Jews like an Empire... This love of Empire explains the easiness Jews change their allegiance... Simple minds call it “treacherous behaviour”, but it is actually love of Empire per se’; ‘Now, there is a large and thriving Muslim community in England... they are now on the side of freedom, against the Empire, and they are not afraid of enforcers of Judaic values, Jewish or Gentile. This community is very important in order to turn the tide’.

There were no threats from their Jewish Lordships to bring a horde of 10,000 Jews to Parliament to prevent his entry.

Imagine Lord Ahmed’s reaction (not to mention that of the media) if the word ‘Jew’ in this tirade were replaced by ‘Muslim’, or ‘Zionist’ by ‘Islamic’. In the case of Geert Wilders’ invitation to Parliament and Lord Ahmed’s consequent threat, the mainstream media have been totally silent on the matter. It has as though it has not happened; there is blackout and silence.

They, too, are perhaps fearful of the consequences of reporting the facts.

But to the purpose of this post.

Lord Ahmed is supposed to be a Peer of the Realm, yet he shows himself to be solely absorbed by and concerned with victories of the Islamic realm.

He is supposed to be concerned with the maintenance of the Queen’s Peace, yet shows himself to be not remotely concerned with the inter-faith relations or issues of community cohesion which may achieve this.

Treason is one of those words largely considered obsolete, archaic, belonging to a bygone era.

For, surely, no-one now plots to overthrow Her Majesty the Queen or to undermine the sovereignty of Parliament or the privileges of its members.

But Lord Ahmed threatened Parliament into submission through the fear induced by the security implications presented by 10,000 angry Muslims marching to its gates. It is known that the British police have recently been forced to run from Muslim demonstrators out of fear for their own safety. Lord Ahmed’s threat of incitement ought itself to be sufficient grounds for a police investigation.

But a stronger case may yet be made for Lord Ahmed’s prosecution and expulsion from the House of Lords.

It has been suggested that this may be achieved through the provisions of the Bill of Rights 1689, which stipulates :‘That the freedom of speech, and debates or proceedings in parliament, ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place out of parliament...’.

But this is not applicable because no court is hindering freedom of speech within Parliament and Lord Ahmed is manifest within, not ‘out of Parlament’.

The Treason Felony Act 1848 is, however, quite a different statutory instrument, and it is still in force (notwithstanding that the death penalty has been abolished).

Treason laws were used against Irish insurgents before Irish independence. But it is noteworthy that members of the IRA and other republican terrorist groups were not prosecuted for treason but for murder and terrorist offences.

Is not threatening to bring a horde of 10,000 protesting Muslims upon Parliament an act of terrorism? Fear would certainly be a consequence – doubtless the sort which would have the police withdrawing in fear for their own safety and security. But if this is not a threat of terrorism, consider:

It is treason felony to compass, imagine, invent, devise, or intend:
•to deprive the Queen of her crown,
•to levy war against the Queen, or
•to ‘move or stir’ any foreigner to invade the United Kingdom or any other country belonging to the Queen.
If any person whatsoever shall, within the United Kingdom... order to put any force or constraint upon or in order to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament... and such compassings, imaginations, inventions, devices, or intentions, or any of them, shall express, utter, or declare, by publishing any printing or writing... or by any overt act or deed, every person so offending shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be be transported beyond the seas for the term or his or her natural life.

There appears to be prima facie evidence of an attempt ‘to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament’ by an ‘overt act or deed’.
Lord Ahmed secured ‘a victory for the Muslim community’ by vanquishing ‘freedom of speech, and debates or proceedings in parliament’. And he did so after reportedly meeting with the Government Chief Whip in the House of Lords and the Leader of the House of Lords. Representatives from the Muslim Council of Britain, British Muslim Forum and others from the British Muslim community were also present at the meeting.

While Cranmer is appalled (though not surprised) that the Government Chief Whip in the House of Lords and the Leader of the House of Lords were complicit in this decision, there is no doubt that the intent to ‘intimidate or overawe’ was expressed by Lord Ahmed.

Cranmer is therefore considering a legal challenge to the threat made by Lord Ahmed, and shall be consulting widely and wisely on the matter.


Anonymous Andre said...

What I detect on the part of our religious leaders - excepting your grace - is a marked reluctance to stand up and say you (Islam) are wrong. The only way to God is through Christ 'I am the way the light and the truth. No one comes to the Father but through me.' Nothing revolutionary about this but it has formed the basis of the historic teachings of the church for 2000 years. Let us affirm our faith ever more publicly. I would not seek confrontation by inviting Christians of all persuasions to march upon parliament but perhaps we could together attend a pro-Christ celebration at Westminster Abbey, Westminster cathedral and the central Methodist Hall across the square; all at once, altogether, affirming the supremacy of Christ and our willingness to proclaim him.

4 February 2009 at 08:22  
Anonymous Douglas Knight said...

Dear Cranmer
You will need some financial support if this legal challenge to Ahmed’s threat to the Lords proceeds, so please let us know how to make out our cheques and where to send them
With you all the way
Douglas Knight

4 February 2009 at 08:40  
Anonymous not a machine said...

your grace makes an important point about how the clerics have poisend the minds , not just here but in other areas .
If JIHAD is nothing more than a mad mulla selective con , to sell islam as agressively superior to other religions then it must be stopped .

FITNA is crude but it does state what is said in the koran and shows its devoute zealots following it to the letter .

Islam is not beyond question , just as judaism and christianity or the jeddi alliance .

a society that does not question is bound to have flaws.

Lord ahmed is making islam beyond critiscism in the very arena where critiscism is allowed , important even .

he is threatening freedom to question , and only adds to the feeling that islam is intent on a sort of agressive colonial rule .

it only makes enochs case of "rights and rites" more visible to the british public.

what is about islam he is so keen for the lords not to freely make up there own minds about, unles that is he is stubborn that islam needs to reform ??

4 February 2009 at 08:56  
Anonymous Paul B said...

Douglas Knight beat me to it, but don`t be shy, if you need help, post a link. You will also have full moral suppor.

4 February 2009 at 09:10  
Anonymous Shaven-headed tattooed knuckledragger said...

A second attempt is to be made to show FITNA in the House of Lords in defiance of 'Lord' Ahmed and his 10,000 enraged savages.

What will the Metropolitan Police do? Will they ban it in the interests of 'Community Cohesion'? Will they face up to the 10000 swarming vermin, or will they repeat their previous performance and run like scared rabbits at the first shout of 'Allah Akhbar'?

4 February 2009 at 09:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An excellent analysis and if further action is taken (and I suggest that it is essential that action is taken) I will be happy to contribute to the costs.

However, I must take issue with your comment that certain imams distort the koran. A study of the koran and the hadith will show they are not distorting the message of Islam at all. Their teachings reflect exactly what a good muslim is obliged to do as has been exemplified time and again world wide by the actions of muslims themselves. The problem of course is that the koran being the literal word of G-d is incapable of revision or re-inerpetation and so, as many apostates from islam have pointed out, it is a case of either remaining a muslim, and subscribing to a religion and code of conduct designed for 9th century arab bandits, or you must leave the faith.

4 February 2009 at 09:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do they normally show material like FITNA at the House of Lords? Seems like a strange thing to do. Who is so keen to do this and what is their agenda?

Ahmed will almost certainly claim that Muslims are being goaded, so whoever initiated this situation (the mystery "Baroness"?) had better be squeaky clean.

4 February 2009 at 09:48  
Anonymous Bleeding heart liberal said...

1) Restoration of death penalty.
2) Fair trial.
3) Public hanging (drawing and quartering optional)
4) Burial in pigskin.

4 February 2009 at 09:50  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"His presence in the House of Lords is symbolically as important as the first Roman Catholic to enter Parliament after the Relief Act 1829 or the first woman after the Representation of the People Act 1918"

I don't think so, your grace. He isn't even close to being in either of those categories. After all, no mass movement was required to make his appointment legally possible, let alone happen.

4 February 2009 at 10:05  
Blogger Sue said...

A legal challenge by your grace would be a very courageous thing to do.

You have my admiration!

4 February 2009 at 10:20  
Anonymous susan said...

I hope you will go forward with your legal challenge, what this country needs is Good strong christian men and women to stand for freedom and justice which our parents and grandparents fought and died for. The true and living God be with you and grant you wisdom and guidence and strength.

4 February 2009 at 10:21  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Indeed Your Grace, Christians have had to put up with so much that is anti christian or blasphemous in the extreme, i.e Gerry Springer the Opera, to name but one, we have seen followers of our Lord persecuted for the 'crimes' of wearing crosses or offering to pray for the sick or refusing to carry out a parody 'marriage' for homosexuals etc. All this has been born with fortitude & any challenge has been made within the confines of the legal system, why? because our faith is the truth & is strong enough to stand without resorting to violence. We follow the one, who despite being able to call upon legions of angels (forget 10,000 muslims) allowed himself to be beaten & crucified without complaint, for our salvation. He knew that three days later the truth would be known & that's where our faith originates. Compare this with Islam & there is no contest, this bully boy needs simply to be ejected like the disreputable wretch that he is & barred from re-entry. To allow him the honour of a trial & the chance to spout his threats & ideologies would simply open the avenue to him being viewed as a martyr.
Simply put, he's not worth the bother.

4 February 2009 at 10:29  
Anonymous DavidMWW said...

I have been trying to find confirmation of Ahmed's "threat of 10,000" but have so far traced it back only as far as the Brussels Journal:

Is there a more reliable source than this?

4 February 2009 at 10:41  
Anonymous churchmouse said...

Bleeding Heart - The other tradition is sticking their heads up on a post over Aldgate, or somewhere. Quite see why you left that off the list! His would frighten the Children!!

Anonymous @ 09:48 - is that a threat?

Your Grace - I hope you can proceed; I'll support however I can.

4 February 2009 at 10:55  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Good Luck Cranmer, I'm with you on this one, and I can appreciate that you will not be with me when I say that I find nothing crude about Geert Wilder.

Islam irritates me beyond belief. I can sense the pleasure the Muslim community feel when these controversial situations arise. That is a very subjective statement to make, and I can also sense the bleating Liberal response to my words, but Islam still irritates me. I am not even going to attempt to justify/qualify my feelings until I feel that rational debate is back on the books.

4 February 2009 at 11:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


As there are some amongst the Muslim populace who yearn for the 'clash of civilizations', there are also some within the Judeo-Christian spectrum who seem to desire the same (see comments on the Melanie Phillips blog at the Spectator website). So is the "Baroness" a bona fide or an agent provocateur? It's an important question.

4 February 2009 at 11:15  
Anonymous I Albion said...

David MWW
you won't find mention of this treason in the media,because they are all to frightened to print or talk about it,so that says it all about the "threat"

4 February 2009 at 11:43  
Anonymous Anti-Ahmed, and not anti-semite said...

S-h T K: I had the temerity to deny that all Brits are Anti-Semites, and now MP doesn't publish my posts.

I did try to post on Ahmed, but may have asked if she's actually pro-anything--- even if it's Islamic--- that's British. Don't know whether I hit the spot or was just way out of line on that one...

Anyway, today she seems a bit Anti-Boris.

4 February 2009 at 11:46  
Anonymous Anti-Ahmed and not Anti-Semite said...

Sorry - I meant that I asked whether she's actually for anything anti-British, even it it's Islamic

4 February 2009 at 11:52  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

Could we not raise 10000 Christians to oppose the islamotards if necessary?but what am i thinking of,there is the shopping to do ,the football is on,and the pubs are open and oh so many reasons that will prevent us from doing our duty to our people and country,and many more when it is too late.
Still i offer my support to his eminence along with the others here.

4 February 2009 at 12:10  
Blogger Tyburn Jig said...

A trip to Tyburn for the criminal Ahmed, methinks.

4 February 2009 at 12:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although I have only been reading your comments for a few days,It was actually this story that put me in touch with your blog, I would be willing to make a donation to any fund that would be set up to persue your action against this vile man. Good luck.

4 February 2009 at 12:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you do not remove this clown, you do not display the foresight nor the fortitude of one Mustafa Gemal Ataturk.

He loosed his people from the grip of Islam. His philosophy was simple.
"I will not have Turkey ruled by the theology of an immoral Arab"

The United Kingdom must choose whether or not your noble upper house will be so intimidated.

It will be an utter shame if they are. Lord Ahmed has blurted his challenge; Ataturk would have back-handed him clear of the front steps. Is their not one Peer in Great Britain worthy of the title 'noble'?


4 February 2009 at 12:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should start a petition on the number 10 downstreet site... it will at least bring attention to this travesty

4 February 2009 at 12:59  
Blogger Microcosm said...

The fact Britain has a Lord Ahmed is treason enough for most of us any other arguments are just superflous and trite, but I would wish your Grace the best in his endevours, If you should undertake this Tour De Force.

4 February 2009 at 13:10  
Blogger Dave H said...

"I object to an honour being given to a man with blood on his car."

-Salman Rushdie

BTW why wasn't he charged with causing death by dangerous driving?

4 February 2009 at 13:25  
Anonymous Thomas said...

But what is the source for the supposed threat? The articles linked to in the original post don't supply one. Did the Brussels Journal make it up? Does anyone know?

4 February 2009 at 14:12  
Blogger The Penguin said...

I'm hoping that he'll get the 21 months that the silly waitress got for similarly killing a motorist through driving whilst texting.

Then deport the common criminal.

4 February 2009 at 14:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, well, well. Google search for "Baroness Fitna" leads here (and includes a possible name for our mystery "Baroness"):

"'Fitna' filmmaker to attend Jerusalem parley"

"Selected European lawmakers, along with Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders, whose controversial 15-minute film Fitna has sparked world-wide Muslim outrage, will gather in Jerusalem in December to "plan practical steps in the struggle against the spread of Islam in Europe,"

"MK Ahmed Tibi (UAL-Ta'al) argued that the planned conference was "inflammatory" and motivated by anti-Arab and anti-Muslim sentiment."

"I can't imagine that the chairwoman would allow the screening of a racist, anti-Islamic, fascist film inside the Knesset. The Knesset is not a place for these kinds of things," he said during a phone interview. "It can't allow conferences of this kind that encourage racism."

"The December summit will be sponsored by the Ariel Center for Policy Research, which opposes ceding territory to Arabs in exchange for peace."

4 February 2009 at 14:24  
Anonymous matt said...

the lawyers' christian fellowship may be able to help you on this one.

4 February 2009 at 14:28  
Anonymous Hereward said...

Well said, that Penguin. The current Private Eye reports that he is due to be sentenced on 25 February. I hope he gets the full whack.

4 February 2009 at 14:37  
OpenID yokel said...

Please let us know when you need to raise a fund for this.

4 February 2009 at 14:37  
Anonymous bugs bunny said...

"His presence in the House of Lords is symbolically as important as the first Roman Catholic to enter Parliament after the Relief Act 1829 or the first woman after the Representation of the People Act 1918."

Cranmer deems Daniel O Connell's election for County Clare to be a matter of great symbolism. Oh how this rabbit reels in ecstasy.

And for Constance Markiewicz, I am in shock, though compelled to agree. Great to see such a tribute to this stately women. Though I'm quite shocked that His Grace would refer to her in a discussion about treason against the British Crown, which she was manifestly guilty of, and quite proud of it.

May their names be immortal.

4 February 2009 at 14:54  
Anonymous bugs bunny said...

"Treason laws were used against Irish insurgents before Irish independence."

And thoroughly suceeded in alienating the people thoroughly from the British government. The 1916 Rising was met with near universal revulsion at the start. Gangs of Dubliners threw stones at Connolly and Pearse when they were being escorted to Dublin Castle. The city went atwitter with Union Flags in disgust. The Irish Times and the Irish Independent called for the execution of the rebels. Cork County Council passed a motion
"That we the Cork County Council wish to assure His Majesty the King of our Loyal Support in the government of our country".

Because the Rebels were executed, and often without due process, sympathy was naturally begoten for the rising. They were turned into hereos and martyrs. The Catholic Church, no friend of the Rising, denounced the executions, as did the Unionist leader Edward Carson. Had these acts of 'treason' not been met with such heavy handed responses, the people would never have given the next election to Sinn Fein and Ireland would today be a devolved part of the UK.

4 February 2009 at 15:06  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Ahmed needs to go, and transportation is just the thing for him. There ought to be a suitable slum for him, somewhere in the Middle East most likely (or perhaps Anarctica).

4 February 2009 at 15:31  
Blogger Cato said...

This devout atheist would be pleased to assist in defraying any costs.

4 February 2009 at 17:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr.D - What have you got against Antarctica? How can it remain pristine if we dump our refuse there?

Your Grace - I would love to contribute to the cause should you actually pursue it but I'm desperate to keep a roof over my head. Good luck anyway.


4 February 2009 at 18:01  
Anonymous Free Born Pete said...

I was going to make a cogent point, but was entirely lost in the whimsical moment of seeing 'amish' as the word verification.

This devout atheist would be at Cato's side.

4 February 2009 at 18:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no problem with charging Ahmed with such a crime, although I really doubt that any court would uphold the indictment.

What I would question, however, is whether Ahmed or any other jihadist is, in fact, distorting the Koran. Perhaps the problem isn't the individual Muslim, but rather Islam itself.

4 February 2009 at 18:37  
Blogger Dave said...

At your service

4 February 2009 at 18:59  
Anonymous Shaven-headed tattooed knuckledragger said...

New blog dedicated to defending Geert Wilders.

4 February 2009 at 19:28  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Jihad is coming for your kids!

Earlier this week GamePolitics reported on an Indiana mother’s complaint that her daughter’s Baby Pals game for the Nintendo DS uttered the phrase “Islam is the light.”

Now Debbie Schlussel reports that Fisher Price also have a doll which declares the same “Islam is the Light“

Nintendo have released a Statement claiming its all nonsense….Yeah right! What’s next I wonder?

4 February 2009 at 19:30  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr McKenzie,

Would you please restrict yourself to the matter at hand?

4 February 2009 at 19:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interviewed on Press TV (Iranian tv channel), Lord Ahmed called for British Jews who have served in the IDF 'to be tried and arrested for war crimes.' Presumably the nice Muslim gentlemen born and bred in Bolton who went off to Pakistan and fought against the British in Iraq/Afghanistan, are not the same...

4 February 2009 at 21:39  
Anonymous Shalt thy do war by stealth ? said...

Your Grace, I have no doubt that Islam intends to conquer all, but I have to ask are we and they being manipulated behind the scenes by Dark forces.

July 7th and Benazir Bhutto

Anti British Psyops

4 February 2009 at 22:32  
Blogger Janet said...

I second/third/whatever Douglas Knight et al. Just tell us where to send the cash.

4 February 2009 at 22:57  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Trust me Cranmer, I am. The meek shall inherit the Earth, but in the mean time I have work to do!

5 February 2009 at 00:51  
Blogger Ayrdale said...

...yes, a legal challenge is the British way.
This kiwi expat would be happy to contribute...

5 February 2009 at 01:02  
Blogger Bryan said...

As the Devil's Advocate; what if some Lord would have objected to this abuse of "tax-payer's money" by threatening to storm Parliament with 10,000 tax-payers? It would seem to me that Lord Ahmed is simply doing what politicians do, speaking in hyperbole and ignoring the obvious implications in a sensitized time.

So, obviously he should be hanged, as all politicians are traitors to the crown!

5 February 2009 at 03:12  
OpenID BL@KBIRD said...

I would hold off any legal challenge your Grace until you know what you are dealing with. You dismiss Wilders challenge as unfounded and you seem to think there is an Islam that is pure and tolerant and peaceful out there in the world somewhere. There is not.

Pardon my directness your Grace but you seem to have an incorrect sense of Islam. Islam is what your Grace should recognize as the creation of Satan. A more secular view might deem it the construction of a clever deviant mind that recognizes all human lust and failings and renders them sacred in an ideology of murder, rape, slavery and parasitism.

I am sorry and surprised the your Grace seems not to know this. Perhaps this helps to illuminate the current state of Britain under fear and ignorance of the enemies program.

5 February 2009 at 23:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A very perceptive view of Islam BL@KBIRD!

6 February 2009 at 21:08  
Anonymous USpace said...

Excellent Your Grace! It seems like you and many more are starting to wake up even more to the evils of Islamic Fundamentalism. Mr. Wilders certainly agrees with you that most Muslims are peace loving. Without the Fundamentalists, the peaceful ones would blend in more and more. The so-called 'Radicals' aim to rule wherever they can get way with it. In Iran, Pakistan, soon Holland, and then the UK?

Right now, by far, the BIGGEST DANGER on the Right is a certain violent ideology of religion which is rabidly Right wing in its intolerance and hatred, cloaked in the words of God; and aided most importantly by so-called champions of the Left. Those that claim to 'care' for human rights and tolerance doing their all to destroy human rights and honest tolerance.

It's a horror film come to life.

We must admit that the ideology of the Left has been exposed as evil by it actively promoting and protecting the most evil and extreme Right-wing movement this planet has ever seen.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw most bloggers

license all the rest
monitor their writing

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
just pretend to defend

human rights while stopping
speech defending human rights

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
decide to change your race

just simply change religions
your religion is your race
All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech there can be no real freedom.
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7 February 2009 at 06:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

USpace, Most muslims are peace-loving?????
This is where the west is confused or possibly comotose!!!
Islam has two faces or rather two houses.
1. The House of Islam=Muslims or all who are submitted to Allah.
2. The house of war= Infidels all who must BE MADE to submit to Allah!
This is the true face of Islam.

7 February 2009 at 13:53  
Anonymous USpace said...

Anony - Sure, most are peace-loving. That's not major comfort though. If 'only' 10-20% fully support Sharia rule, that's still 150-300 million. I'm sure at least 1% of those would be willing to be suicide bombers.

No too much comfort, no.

absurd thought -
God of the Universe thinks
plan jihad for longest term

out breed the infidels
one day vote in sharia

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
avoid tough questions

allow Sharia to rule
bring back eighth century

8 February 2009 at 04:05  
Blogger Field Marshall Watkins said...

Anon 07 February 2009 13:53;

The concept this person is referring to is Dar El Islam (World of Islam) and Dar El Harb (World of War) which is the rest of the world which does not obey the Quran.

The world is split into these two camps under Islam. Non-Muslims, by definition, are not innocent, therefore, their deaths are not crimes in the eyes of Allah.

This BCC interview may help illuminate the Islam position:

8 February 2009 at 10:31  
Anonymous DavidMWW said...

Well, it looks like the event was not postponed because of Ahmed's threats after all.

10 February 2009 at 17:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please do not transport him to Australia.
Concerned Sydneysider.

11 February 2009 at 14:37  
Anonymous Michaela Smith said...

Take it from someone who lives in Holland and whose WHITE British daughter is told on a daily basis that she's an illegal and ought to clear off (well, less politely) - this is the schism and polarization Geert Wilders and his predecessors have caused.

The point is this: ponder for just a moment whether you'd welcome, for Free Speech's sake, a European moslem parliamentarian who holds the view that the Bible is a fascist book and ought to be banned (if not burnt); that crosses ought to be forbidden and that Christians are not entitled to the same level of health care as Moslems? Would you welcome a screening of this imaginary moslem parliamentarian's film in which Christian excesses, such as the torture in Abu Graibh, are portrayed as typical of all Christians? If your sincere answer is 'no, this moslem parliamentarian is a terrorist and is not welcome in democratic Britain' then you're hypocrits. Not arguing your case on the principle of free speech for all but on the conviction that WHITE Christian native Europeans somehow have a greater degree of free speech.

I happen to believe in the definition of democracy that says the quality of a democracy may be measured by the extent to which rule by the majority safeguards the rights of the minority'. These rights include equality before the law. Again, if Imams are not only not allowed to speak in this manner but are arrested, charged under the Terrorism Act and deported, then neither is Geert Wilders welcome in Britain. Oh and well done that government for safeguarding true democratic principles - though they might have said so and steered clear of the cowardice of 'fearing for the stability of the communities'.

12 February 2009 at 00:35  
Anonymous Michaela Smith said...

Oops! Forgot - surely Lord Ahmed, too, would merely be exercising his democratic right of peaceful protest? Or would all of you, for the sake of being right, forfeit your right to protest against the poll tax, levies on fuel, the bankers and everything else that makes you feel insulted?

12 February 2009 at 00:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This challenge of Lord Ahmed to a private viewing of the
Dutchman's "opinions" on film, is more about squashing debate and the freedom of speech in the House of Lords.He is an activitist, in my view, with his veiled threats. Sharia law in the constituion will be his goal.No freedom of speech for Christians then.

12 February 2009 at 16:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please do not transport him to Australia. Your unwanted peer of the realm is far worse than any of the last lot you sent here.

13 February 2009 at 08:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Islam resent crime history against humanity
The Armenian Genocide, 1915–1917: over 500,000 Armenians, including children, died.
In 1920s-30s, Palestinian Muslims committed massacre of Jews in Jewish land of Palestine murdering thousands of children and civilians. The murder was organized by the founder and supreme leader of the Arab Higher Committee, Haj Amin al Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, and supported by British Administration of Palestine. The massacre was, in reality, the Holocaust committed by Palestinian Arabs in compliance with Islamic Koran which demand killing Christians and Jews.
Haj Amin was close friend of Hitler. In 1941, Haj Amin came to Berlin and visited Hitler. He brought the Holocaust idea to Hitler. In 1943, Amin organized Bosnian Muslim battalions in Croatia comprising some twenty thousand men. The battalions were put in Waffen-SS units, fought Yugoslav partisans in Bosnia; thousands of Serbs, Roma ('Gypsies') and Jews hunted down by Haj Amin's SS troops were killed by those same troops, or they were sent to the Islamic death camp Jasenovac. After the WWII, the International tribunal declared Haj Amin was crime criminal; however, he escaped prosecution, fled to Egypt and then Palestine where he organized Fatah. After his death in 1974, Arafat, who was Haj Amin lieutenant, became Fatah commander. He organized PLO. PLO and Fatah committed numerous murders around the world killing American and European Christian and Jews.
From 1948 to 1953, Arab countries expelled almost million Jews and stall their properties. Laws of some Islamic countries ban Christians and Jews from living there, in compliance with Koran. In 1999, Kosovo Liberation Army stormed homes of the last 15 Jews in Kosovo’s capital, who had to clear out, with just the clothes on their backs
The assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, a United States Senator and brother of assassinated President John F. Kennedy, took place shortly after midnight on June 5, 1968. He was killed following celebrations of his successful campaign in the Californian primary elections while seeking the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. The perpetrator was a twenty-four year old Palestinian immigrant named Sirhan Sirhan.
In 1985, the Achille Lauro cruise ship was hijacked. During the hijacking, an elderly, wheelchair-bound American from New York, Leon Klinghoffer, was shot and pushed overboard. The hijacking was organized by the militant Palestinian Liberation Front in part to demand the freedom of Samir Kuntar, the convicted gunman now at the center of a prisoner swap between Israel and Hezbollah. (Unclear, why US has never demanded his extradition to US for trail)
There are more:
Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;
Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;
Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
New York World Trade Center 2001;
Pentagon 2001.
(Note: during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide.)
The above is only a minuscule part of islam criminal and murderous history; however, it is more than enough to conclude that:
1. Islam is Fascism and must be banned on American, European and Australian continents
2. Koran is Islamic Mein Kampf
The world literature knows only two books calling for total elimination of people based on their ethnicity or religion:
1. Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler and
2. Koran by Prophet Muhammad
Mark Bernadiner, PH.D.

14 February 2009 at 03:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brother Mark

Thanks for your comments but I truly believe that you are misunderstood about Islam as so many of my other fellow blogers are and not to mention even by some of our own Islamic scholars.

One thing in common between all of them is the burning desire to satisfy their inner ego which all human beings prove that they are right and their opinion if followed is going to change the world.

I am no scholar and cannot change the world as I want to; it’s only through mutual understanding and tolerance between faiths that we can do so together.

Just as an observer of what is going around the world today I have to say that us Jews, Christians , Zionists, Muslims etc etc are all fighting against each other to have their own total global domination of the world , something NOT possible. Some have succeded quite a lot in their goals but by the law of our supereme God & his universe they are going to be destroyed within themselves as so many of previos civilizations have; To balance the law of the universe we need to live side by side in harmony , have respect in each others beliefs with no ego or evil intentions to change each other to their way of thinking; only then we can have eternal peace in this world.

In the end I would like to quote one verse common to all the divine books and one from Leo Tolstoy respectively.

Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is One God!
Therefore you shall adore the Lord your God
with all your heart,
with all your soul,
with all your mind,
and with all your strength.
[Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Mark 12:29 and Luke 10:27, Quran 3:18]

"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself”

13 March 2009 at 07:42  

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