Friday, February 06, 2009

Obama’s views ‘echo the Pope’s teachings’

Cranmer wishes they would make up their minds on this one: either he is for us or he is against us. President Obama has been turning theology into political strategy. It has been observed that ‘religious language trips off Barack Obama's tongue as if he were a native of the Bible Belt’. He speaks of ‘a personal relationship with God’, and talks of kneeling at the foot of the cross. He has said: “I felt I heard God's spirit beckoning me... I submitted myself to his will, and dedicated myself to discovering his truth and carrying out his works."

No wonder he finds a soulmate in Tony Blair, who also appears to have encountered a blinding light on the road to Rome to which also he has submitted himself.

Cranmer has previously written on the religion breakdown of those who voted for President Obama, but it is increasingly evident that his election to the White House was considerably aided by the specific targeting of the Catholic vote.

Over recent decades, most Roman Catholics have voted Republican, mainly out of hope of overturning Roe v Wade. But the migration to the Democrats – even by some staunchly conservative Catholics – has come as a result of Barack Obama sounding more compassionate and friendly towards religion than Senator McCain ever managed – and also, quite possibly, because they believe the battle over Roe v Wade is lost.

It is known that during his campaign Senator Obama hired specific ‘outreach directors’ to target specific denominations – on a much greater scale than had ever been done before. He had ambassadors for the Catholics, the Protestants, the Evangelicals, and emissaries to the smaller religions.

He did not finally win over the Evangelicals, not least because of one solitary interview he did with Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in California. Pastor Warren asked him about same-sex marriage, stem-cell research, and when a baby is entitled to human rights. Senator Obama gave precisely the kind of fudged response for which Evangelicals have little patience. He said: "Well, you know, I think that whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade."

And so the older Evangelicals stayed with McCain, but the younger generation – who do not place the issues of abortion or same-sex marriage at quite the level of their parents – switched their votes to Obama.

And so did the Catholics – old and young alike.

But what Cranmer did not know is that President Obama ‘has a significant Catholic experience in his background’. At least according to the Jesuit Thomas Reese. Apparently, President Obama ‘attended Catholic school for three years when he lived in Indonesia’. And when he lived in Chicago, ‘he worked out of Holy Rosary Parish, and his program was funded by the Catholic Bishops Campaign for Human Development’.

This apparently laid the foundation for the President’s appreciation of the ‘Social Gospel’, which Fr Thomas Reese explains as ‘Jesus’ commands to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, fight injustice’. Obama summed it up in a recent speech: "My faith teaches me that I can sit in church and pray all I want, but I won't be fulfilling God's will unless I go out and do the Lord's work."

Doug Kmiec, an anti-abortion Catholic who served in the Reagan and first Bush administrations, observes that President Obama's ‘views on health care and wages, on immigration, war and family, echoed the pope's teachings’. He said: "On almost every topic that Catholics are asked to form their conscience about, Senator Obama was hitting if not a home run, then a triple into those dead corners of the ballpark."

Cranmer does not speak American, but he believes this to mean that President Obama is the answer to the prayers of many Catholics: his policies accord with those very issues about which the Roman Catholic Church exhorts its adherents to weigh in their conscience before voting. But he is not the answer to the prayers of the Evangelicals, for whom abortion and same-sex marriage remain the pre-eminent social issues.

America’s uncodified ‘Christian alliance’ is fracturing, apparently because ‘traditionalist Catholics have a broader agenda’. Same-sex marriage may undermine the family, but the economy is in free-fall; babies may be being aborted by the million, but millions are losing their jobs and homes. ‘Pro-life’ may be important, but hundreds of thousands of Americans are without adequate healthcare. The Roman Catholic Church rightly exhorts believers to judge candidates by their stand on a variety of moral issues.

And it seems that President Obama accords with the Vatican on two papal encyclicals: Rerum Novarum of Pope Leo XIII, in which the plight and misery of workers' was first acknowledged; and Quadragesimo Anno by Pope Pius XI, which developed the notion of Corporatism, are laid the religio-political foundations for Roman Catholic social teaching.

So President Obama has redrawn the religious map, aided by Vice President Biden’s brilliant exposition of Aquinas’ Summa Theologica. The Obama administration will seek to undermine the Anglo-Saxon and Protestant economic model of the USA and harmonise it with that of the EU in a kind of ‘Third Way’ social Capitalism or benign Communism. It is, you understand, for your own good. Rerum Novarum and Quadragesimo Anno finally go global.

And for the Catholics for Obama, the continuing murder of the unborn is simply collateral damage; a necessary evil.


Blogger McKenzie said...

'the continuing murder of the unborn is simply collateral damage; a necessary evil'

The evil one always demands His sacrifice. Its all in prophecy about the return of the Roman Empire and the anti-Christ.

DCLXVI = 666

Just to point out that the no. 666 is actually DCLXVI in roman numerals, and that D,C,L,X,V and I, in turn, are the first six symbols in the roman numerical system in reverse order (i.e. I, V, X, L, C and D backwards). It's like us writing 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,0, and then someone coming along to add them all up to get 45!

John (apparently) wrote the book of Revelation in Greek, but I think he quite likely used the Roman system for numbers (…historians feel free to correct me…), as, although the Greeks did have their own numeral system for a while, they were under Roman rule at John's time (Arabic/Indian numerals weren't in use in that region until centuries later).

Perhaps its not the number itself that's significant, but the fact that it can be represented by numbers. And what can be represented by numbers? Wealth of course, in the form of money!
'No one might be able to buy or sell unless they had the mark of the beast (...non-monetary wealth...) or the number corresponding to his name (...monetary wealth...).' (Rev 13.17)

I'm only guessing that the author was using the term to represent wealth, but I do think it's quite likely that he actually wrote DCLXVI

6 February 2009 at 09:58  
Blogger Forlornehope said...

Americans Catholics, being, like other Americans, very practical people, may have noticed that the number of abortions has fallen under Democrat administrations. There is little point in voting for a candidate who says good words but delivers less than nothing on this subject when the alternative is a candidate whose social objectives are more closely aligned with the traditions of the Christian Church and will at least reduce the evil.

6 February 2009 at 10:08  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr McKenzie,

His Grace may regret asking this question (for it scarcely on-topic, to which you have been politely requested to adhere). But why would the Apostle John omit 'M' from his little numerical code?

Would not a clearer understanding of the Beast have emerged if his number had been MDCLXVI - 1666?

Or is that the theorists who developed this numerology omitted the 'M' because it inconveniently did not accord with the conspiracy?

6 February 2009 at 10:14  
Anonymous mouse said...

Well - ty Your Grace. I'd noticed he went to the euSSR before Britain; know that academic 'theory' in the US is all franco-german; and have worried about O's association with the Caliphate. Now it all falls into place.

6 February 2009 at 10:22  
Blogger McKenzie said...

It is on topic?

I am merely pointing out that what you say about the Obama administration seeking to undermine the Anglo-Saxon and Protestant economic model of the USA and harmonise it with that of the EU in a kind of ‘Third Way’ social "Capitalism" or benign Communism, "can" seem to be related to prophecy.

What the letter 'm' or the date 1666 has to with it, I have no idea.

I am pointing out a connection between Rome, Catholicism and The anti-Christian nature of the Obama administration with regards to the continuing murder and sacrifice of the unborn, being, as you say a necessary evil, in order to achieve the end time world state of affairs.

You confuse me when you say I stray off topic. My @Islam is coming for your kids' comment was in response to Lord Ahmed's rant about gathering an army of 10,000 Muslim Jihadis. It is a REAL phenomena taking place as we speak. My comment further highlighted this.?? I did not make it up: I provided links to other sources??

6 February 2009 at 10:34  
Blogger Christian said...

I think this is all very unfair. The death of the Catholic vote has been watched with horror by conservative Catholics the world over. Whatever you are told those Catholics who voted Obama are not conservatives, frankly they are barely Catholic at all. The Church has always be very clear the the banning of abortion should be the pre-eminent issue in the minds of all Catholic voters. Indeed, Archbishop Burke (formally of St Louis now head of the Roman Rota) said very recently that there can be not excuse for allowing 'Catholic' politicians who support abortion to turn politicise the communion rail by presenting themselves at communion when they are so clearly in a state of mortal sin and are, in fact, excommunicants for cooperating in abortion.

6 February 2009 at 12:24  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Yesterday & today's blog seem to me to be very revealing. Is it possible that chameleon Blair is morphing into the false prophet to Obama's Beast? The world is not listening or watching because of the depression & 'wars & rumours of wars' caused by the greed & sin of many, the band is striking up conducted by the old pretender Brown who has climbed into the discarded skin of Blair the snake. Could this be the discordant last rendition of Land of hope & glory? In the middle of their planned victory will Achmed & his hordes be suddenly wiped out by the new third way? Is the first breeze of religous intolerance towards the followers of Christ being shown in a thousand petty ways? Will the breeze grow into a Zephyr of destruction? It seems to me it could be so, lift your eyes up people & look at the bigger picture. I'd rather be a preacher of God's love than a prophet of doom but the watchman on the tower must sound the trumpet when he sees danger, or the blood of the people is on his head.
The Lord himself warned us of the times of the end, & if this is not it then it's a damned good full dress rehersal. It MUST happen because God has prophesied it. Watch & be ready for the next developments, "when does conspiracy theory become conspiracy fact?".
"Sometimes Satan comes as a man of peace" sang Dylan, what better way for him to appear on the World stage than with a smile?
Thank you your Grace for your incisive vision & the chance to communicate with others.

6 February 2009 at 13:19  
Anonymous Hank Petram said...

Your Grace,

If you will kindly overlook the anomaly of a mere layman presuming to quote a Bible reference to the Archbishop of Canterbury, may I point out to one of your communicants (Mr. McKenzie, I believe) that the Greek original spells out the number in words:

Not only that, but St John specifically tells his readers that "the number stands for the name of someone" (I am here quoting a more recent translation).

Your blessing, my Lord.

"Hank Petram"

6 February 2009 at 14:35  
Anonymous martin sewell said...

If one needed any confirmation of the anti-religious nature of the Democratic Party then a small but important aspect of the Bailout/ Spending package is instructive.

Along with money being thrown at every other liberal cause from abortion services to ACORN, there is provision for a building program for Colleges. This alone has strings attached. If Federal money builds a classroom, dormitory, or sports facility, then it must not be used for any religious purpose whatsoever.

Thus a prayer meeting, Bible study group, or any other normal activity is progressively outlawed/excluded as the institution has its infrastructure is renewed.

Happily Republican Senator Jim Dimint has picked this up and is raising it on the floor of the House.

People of a religious or at least open persuasion might ask themselves, "Why would the Democrats have tried to sneak this in if they shared their President's "above the line" agenda of inclusivity?"

The answer is of course that they say one thing and scheme another.

6 February 2009 at 15:18  
Anonymous martin sewell said...

Update on the above.

The Democrats have voted down Sen Demint's proposal to remove this attack on students of faith.

I would invite communicants to look at the Senator's web page for a good resume of the issue and his spirited defence of religious freedom.

The President is doubtless aware that "by their fruits ye shall know them" I will watch with interest but little expectation how he will align his rhetoric with the policy of his party.

I fear that I had low expectations of President "Reach across the Aisle" and so far he has failed to reach them.

6 February 2009 at 15:42  
Blogger Fred Preuss said...

His Late Grace of Canterbury clearly missed the Inauguration: there were people in dog collars and 'Reverends' scurrying like mice all over the place, including pundit TV screens.
His Late Grace's own Church of England/Episcopal church, along with 85% of the other 'mainline' protestant groups, were ecstatic at Obama's election.
Religion, both on the left and on the right, has turned into an echo chamber for the two polarities of politics.
And people in all churches wonder why nobody outside religion listens to them anymore and why 16% of Americans are agnostic.

6 February 2009 at 16:59  
Blogger Fred Preuss said...

Frankly, whether I see a Pat Robertson, a Gene Robinson or a Jesse Jackson or a Rabbi Lerner, I just change the channel.
State and church should have nothing to do with each other.
Only primitive tribes are lead by witch doctors.

6 February 2009 at 17:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, God.

If it wasn't written in the Bible then it flipping well should have been so:

God, Allah, whatever your name might be, please deliver us from politicians, bureaucrats and pipsqueaks.

6 February 2009 at 17:37  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Hmmm, I can now see the error of my ways, and shall desist. But if it is any consolation, I am more than certain that His Grace attracts many high caliber readers to His esteemed blog who will not pay the slightest bit of attention to what I, or the other loonies say anyway, it is a sad but true fact about the nature of the Internet: you just need a PC and basic typing skills!

I can appreciate the thought and effort that goes into His posts, and then along comes moi. But getting His Grace's point is always appreciated and achieved regardless of the superficial comments they attract.

But never the less, I can now appreciate more the need to desist. (I heard that!)

6 February 2009 at 19:24  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "Archbishop's" positing is very interesting, and I was not at all aware of Obama's use of ambassadors to the various faiths. But, I am also not at all surprised. My view of the new president is far from favourable, as I think he will say or do anything -- and find the principles to justify his positions afterward.

6 February 2009 at 20:51  
Blogger Fred Preuss said...

The Jesuits are to US catholicism what the Guardian and New Statesman are to UK journalism.

6 February 2009 at 21:02  
Blogger ZZMike said...

President Obama's new-found (or at least, newly expressed) religion comes as a surprise to the rest of his party, which has been shunning religion as though it were the plague (except, of course, for the occasional speech at a small church somewhere in the South, where they have an opportunity to show off their dialect skills).

I'd not be surprised in the ACLU came after him, with their legal machetes at the ready.

McKenzie: I read that the "mark of the beast" is actually 616. John used the Greek number system - after all, the rest of Revelations is in Greek.

Most people nowadays believe that the man John was talking about was Nero.

U.S. area code 616 is somewhere in Michigan; there is no area code 666 (though I wouldn't mind if they assigned it to somewhere in Tennessee).

"Doug Kmiec, an anti-abortion Catholic who served in the Reagan and first Bush administrations, observes that President Obama's ‘views on health care and wages, on immigration, war and family, echoed the pope's teachings’. "

The proverbial wool is being pulled over our very eyes. The last time I checked, the Pope was vehemently anti-abortion. (For "Pope", substitute any Pope from Ben XVI back as far as you care to go (I except the anti-Popes only because I don't know enough about them)).

And the last time I checked (yesterday), Obama is very much pro-abortion.

Mr Kmiec is either misled, or a fool.

"... aided by Vice President Biden’s brilliant exposition of Aquinas’ Summa Theologica."

I look forward to reading that paper in the latest "J. Acta Theologica".

6 February 2009 at 21:17  
Blogger Theresa said...

Your Grace,

The choice for Catholics is not as easy as it might appear. Catholics are well known for the combination of left wing politics and right wing ethics, and it is rare that a politician fits both categories. So it then boils down to picking the lesser of two evils, or not voting at all. So on the one hand, you have George Bush, whom Pope John Paul denounced as a warmonger and gave him a row in front of the entire western world.On the other hand, you have Obama, who is trying to reform the absolutely iniquitious American health care system, but who is an abortionist. And you start to ask questions like,'If George Bush, who has an evangelical background, has not the confidence to ban abortion, then is it worth voting on abortion issues? The cold fact is that Republicans as well as Democrats have tolerated Roe v Wade and I don't think that is going to change. I think what will change in the years to come, is peoples' attitudes to abortion; as the population drops and the economy starts to suffer, people will start thinking about having children again. It will come full circle.
Who would I have voted for? The jury's out. I was fearful that Bush might be stupid enough to try and invade Iran; but I am also afraid of the implications of hybrid embryo research and the consequences of crossing the species barrier. I think I would probably have spoiled my vote, to be honest.

7 February 2009 at 01:44  
Blogger The Penguin said...

The Apostle Bliar's Speech.

"Good Morning, And God Bless America. I'd like to start, if I may, by thanking President Barack Obama, my new best friend, for giving me this chance to speak to you all and thus publically demonstrate to everyone and especially my old friend Gordon just who is important and who is second rate and always will be.

Secondly, I want to praise the Lord and set the record straight on my devotion to God and all his children - except of course, those in Iraq, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone, Kosovo, and Serbia that I may inadvertently have helped to slaughter. I was first overcome with the Holy Spirit when I was just an innocent child, had hardly learnt to wank properly, and my poor old father had a stroke. My mother sent me off to school to get me out of the way, and when my teacher was told about my father, he said he would pray for him. So I told him that my father didn't believe in God, and he said more fool him, that's why God has struck the sinner down. That was quite a lesson!

So when things started to go tits up when I was President of England, and the shit was hitting the fan over all the lies I had told and the dodgy dossier and cash for honours, I suddenly thought, Hey Tony, you need to get in with the big Man, and so I went to see the Arch Cardinal Bishop of Westminster to get some free get out of jail vouchers. Of course, I had to sneak around the houses as I didn't want to frighten the voters by doing the God thing, some of them were already calling me Phoney Tony the ungrateful bastards, so I kind of kept it all a bit hush hush
until it was time to bail out and leave sad old Gordon to carry the can.

Then of course I could take up my appointment with the Pope, get absolution for all the wicked things I'd done, and now of course I'm purer than pure, and God's Own Peace Envoy to the Middle East in my spare time from the rubber chicken speaking dinners and the directors meetings at J P Morgan of course, got to look after the body as well as the soul.

Anyway, that's quite enough of me - unless you're paying, so God Bless America!"

The Penguin.

7 February 2009 at 13:59  
Blogger Superb Jon said...

Obama has the most Catholic administration in USA history. Vatican Osservatore Romano editor Vian said on may 18th that Obama "in not a pro-abortion president." What does this prove? That the Vatican message on abortion has only been for politcal purposes. It was used to divide, to encourage Catholics to breed and to encourage non-Catholics to abort out of spite. THe Vatican likes the abortion status quo in the USA for this reason. THeir purpose is only conquest, not faith. Carolignian Brzezinski spawned Zia al Haq, Khomeini, and bin Laden - breaks up superpowers via Aztlan and Kosovo as per Joel Garreau's Nine Nations. Brzezinski, Buckley and Buchanan winked anti-Semitic votes for Obama, delivered USA to Pope's feudal basket of Bamana Republics. Michael Pfleger and Joe Biden prove Obama is the Pope's boy. Obama is half a Kearney from County Offaly in Ireland. Talal got Pontifical medal as Fatima mandates Catholic-Muslim union against Jews (Francis Johnson, Great Sign, 1979, p. 126), Catholic Roger Taney wrote Dred Scott decision. John Wilkes Booth, Tammany Hall and Joe McCarthy were Catholics. Now Catholic majority Supreme Court. Catholics Palmisano, Grasso, Damato, Langone, Dioguardi, Palmieri destroyed American industry. Subprime construction mobsters had hookers deliver mortgages to banks. McCain's Keeting started it all. They find American cars too advanced to use or their mechanics to fix. Their slovenly, anti-intellectual work ethic produces vacuous, casuistrous blather and a tangle of contradictory regulations. NYC top drop outs: Hispanic 32%, Black 25%, Italian 20%. NYC top illegals: Ecuadorean, Italian, Polish. Ate glis-glis but blamed plague on others, now lettuce coli. Their bigotry most encouraged terror yet they reap most security funds. Rabbi circumcises lower, Pope upper brain. Tort explosion by glib casuistry. Hollywood Joe Kennedy had Bing Crosby proselytise. Bazelya 1992 case proves PLO-IRA-KLA links.

29 May 2009 at 00:31  

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