Wednesday, February 04, 2009

USA threatens to withdraw intelligence co-operation with UK

It appears that the ‘special relationship’ has hit something of a buffer.

It is reported by the BBC that a British ‘resident’ (actually an Ethiopian national, but the BBC doesn’t want you to know that) was tortured whilst imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay for four years, and that the British Government was complicit in this barbarism. Cranmer has no doubt that Binyam Mohamed may well have been up to no good and deserved his incarceration.

So Cranmer would very much like to know how this Ethiopian gentleman came to be in possession of a British passport in the first place, and why the British Government is so bothered about Pakistan’s methods of persuading criminals to provide information which they are reluctant to part withal. Of course, the BBC is not remotely concerned by these matters.

But it is also reported that the American government threatened to withdraw intelligence co-operation with Britain if details of the case were revealed.

Former Shadow Home Secretary (and present civil rights champion) David Davis MP is persuaded that the ruling points to complicity by the UK and US authorities in torture. The details of the case were censored ‘after the US put pressure on the UK’.

It is not remotely acceptable that US authorities are able to interfere with the UK judicial process.

Cranmer has not read the ruling, but allegations of bullying of a British court by the government of the United States leaves Cranmer with just one response:


Blogger EUBanana said...

While I have some sympathy for Cranmer, look at the US's position. Britain has a bad habit of giving foreign extremists British passports apparently at the drop of a hat. Unsurprisingly the US doesn't want them hiding behind our skirts, and to be honest neither do I.

The US can lean on us because they don't have to worry about the constitutional niceties, like stripping the liberty of their own citizens, like we do, because we were foolish enough to make them our citizens. Thats why they do it. If it was an American passport holding Muslim terrorist you can bet the US would be more circumspect.

The real issue is that the civil liberties of us all have been undermined vastly by the gross debasing of British citizenship by successive governments.

4 February 2009 at 18:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are way too soft and dont stand up for our OWN interests in this relationship, but then again what do we expect when we have far-left wing extremists running this country?.

I assure you the thing McLabour want now is for English people to all stand up and shout "oh stuff the Yanks.....we may aswell throw our lot in with the EU" etc etc.

McLabour and their EU employers know they MUST break the special relationship and bond that ties England with America.

4 February 2009 at 18:34  
Blogger McKenzie said...

And from who's mouth do you suppose these words to come from? We only have one Prime Minister, surely not 'it'?

4 February 2009 at 19:45  
Anonymous the recusant said...


Here is a woman who should run for Prime Minister! Written by a housewife in New Brunswick, Canada to her local newspaper. This is one ticked off lady.

'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so since?

Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from the nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania?

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan.

I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blows themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

I'll care when the Canadian media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting a home to hear about them when something happens.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a Canadian soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed 'special' food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran.' Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and, you guessed it, I don't care!!

'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Soldiers don't have that problem.'

One last thought for the day: Only five defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

1. Jesus Christ
2. The Canadian Soldier.
3. The British Soldier.
4. The US Soldier, and
5. The Australian Soldier

One died for your soul, the other 4 for your freedom.

4 February 2009 at 19:53  
Blogger DP111 said...

USA threatens to withdraw intelligence co-operation with UK

This is an ominous sign of strain within the Western alliance. In the past, even when there were political disagreements, intelligence co-operation, specially between Britain and the USA, was taken for granted.

Why has this come about, is the question. I believe that every Western country is facing the effects of the dissolution of a common Western identity by the dissolving effects of multiculturalism. In addition, the threat of civic disorder brought about by the large scale presence of Muslims, prone to suicide bombings, is causing Western governments to look to harmony and peace within, rather then a common alliance against an outside enemy.

Samuel Huntingdon wrote that Islam has bloody frontiers. He wrote this when Muslims were a tiny minority in the West. Now we are seeing that Islam causes bloody frontiers within borders as well.

If we continue on this path, then the dissolution of the Western alliance is likely.

5 February 2009 at 00:05  
Blogger Bryan said...

When the United Kingdom is willing to step up to the plate and deal with its own terrorist citizens, then you may have some room to complain. Until then, stop your whining.

5 February 2009 at 00:35  
Blogger Jabba the Cat said...

Jabba is baffled as to what alternative means of extracting the information from terrorists is proposed by the liberal whingers and whiners?

5 February 2009 at 01:12  
Blogger Fergus Carrick said...

I suppose if you have been burnt at the stake a bit of waterboarding is of little consequence. However, I am saddened that You Grace is not more outraged at the alleged treatment of this individual – regardless of his citizenship. Your flippant comment about “Pakistan’s methods of persuading criminals to provide information which they are reluctant to part withal” is unbecomijng somebody who claims to alligence to “the Prince of Peace”.

5 February 2009 at 03:32  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The US should discontinue Intelligence cooperation with Britain just as they did after Burgess, Philby, MacLean showed how infiltrated MI6 was and Blunt was discreetly moved aside later.

Britain is working backchannels to Hamas and to Taliban seeking deals to extricate itself from situations just as it cut a deal with Muktar Al-Sadr in Iraq leaving the USA to clean up after the British rout.

Britain is on the way to becoming an Islamic Republic racing Netherlands and Belgium for the finishing post. It is simply that Britain is an unreliable ally for the USA - willing to throw soldiers at problems but unwilling to focus on its own society as a cause of the most radical Muslim population in the Western world.

That Lord Ahmed can stir up Muslim antipathy before being sentenced and so claim he has been silenced and jailed for his outbursts on behalf of Islam is an affront to the legislature. I bet the one Muslim in the US Congress makes no such threat of violent affray against his colleagues.

Britain is a Marxist statelet disintegrating with judges who are simply unimportant in the big wide world. The US Government is not subject to agencies of the British Crown as was made clear in 1776 and the US President alone determines what is feasible for US Intelligence Agencies - and it is the US that works with Pakistan and other Intelligence sources to research threats.

If Britain wishes to have the lowest entry requirements of any Western country and to be a dustbin for the world, a training base for terrorists in Kashmir and Afghanistan and Iraq and Israel and the USA....well that is a matter for British politics and British judges

5 February 2009 at 06:39  
Anonymous Yokel said...

On reading these comments I realise that my immediate reaction of "How dare these colonials try to bully a British court!" must be tempered with "How dare our British government get us into the state where the colonials think it necessary!"

And the British government did it by showing greater loyalty to the "socialist international" and to the so-called nation that is to be named "Europe" than to Britain, just like the adherents of the Religion of Peace show greater loyalty to the Ummah than to the land where they currently live.

There is something very messy going on below the surface. We can however be sure that the Lord knows it, and will disclose it in His own good time.

5 February 2009 at 07:18  
Anonymous dormouse said...

Neither the US nor the UK can serve even 2 masters. And here they both are trying to serve every squeaky wheel but their own! How can we expect either cart to stay on its wheels?

What a mess - metaphorically and literally. But that's deconstruction +post colonialism+multiculturalism. The marxists will agree that things have to get worse - and then 'something' {fins flap, eyes open wide, shoulders shrug} will replace the old (order) cart....

5 February 2009 at 09:15  
Blogger ProudGeordie said...

As a Brit, may I just say I actually stood up and applauded the letter from the Canadian woman. Excellent stuff.

As a brit I am disgusted that people come to our country, get a passport then go out to the desert to train in how to kill us and if they happen to be caught and knocked about a bit they use OUR diplomats and OUR protection as their tin-pot little sandbox has no weight with which to help them. Believe me the British are as disgusted with our government as the rest of the civilised world is.

We have a Muslim in the House of Lords who threatened to 'mobilise' 10,000 Muslims against our elected house and against the Queens representatives. Rather than try him for treason they "felt themselves subdued" as Allah commanded. This same Lord is awaiting sentance for killing a 36yr old father because he was sending SMS messages to a reporter while driving in torrential rain at night.

America are right to make this demand and if British government had a backbone it would have gone without saying and this foreign national would have been denied assistance and sent to his native embassy for help.

5 February 2009 at 09:45  
Blogger EUBanana said...

A bit more digging reveals this.

"Mr Mohamed, who was born in Ethiopia, sought political asylum in Britain in 1994 and was granted leave to remain in this country. He was captured in Pakistan in 2002 while attempting to return to London on a false British passport."

He isn't even a British citizen, he's merely another asylum seeking resident, who was since captured and Gitmo'd while trying to use a false British passport to get back from whatever nefarious activities this Ethiopian radical was doing in Pakistan.

I know our citizenship has been debased but I wasn't aware even we considered false passports as worthy of Her Maj's protection.

I couldn't care less what happens to him.

5 February 2009 at 13:58  
Blogger Dr.D said...

We, the USA, elected BO just like the world wanted. Now watch what happens. It is not going to be pretty. He is going to play right into the hands of izlam. Did anyone notice that his very first TV interview was with the Al-Arabia TV network? Among other things he told them that his own family was muzlim, and that it was his job to sell izlam and muzlim concerns to America. You probably will not miss out on much by not being allied with the USA in the future. We will soon be just another third world country.

5 February 2009 at 17:54  
OpenID BL@KBIRD said...

Your Grace misinterprets mistrust for bullying. Britain has been a sketchy weak sister at times during operations to counter the Mohammedans duty to Allah. Having tea parties in hope of being left alone in exchange for looking the other way, trying to seek a separate peace with the Afghan Taliban unilaterally resulting in expulsion of British officials, the pusillanimous performance by all in Britain during the kidnapping of your military by the Iranians, that sort of thing.

And that is Britain in the field. At home, your running the biggest clearing house for terror and terrorists in the world. We shake our heads and in unison whisper WTF??? Britain???

So your Grace, Britain is not being bullied, it's being doubted.

5 February 2009 at 23:33  
Blogger it's either banned or compulsory said...

EUBanana and the Canadian Lady ditto; I don't care about this Mr Mohamed who is not even a citizen but a failed illegal immigrant.
Why on earth are we allowing him to come between us and our greatest ally ?

6 February 2009 at 05:29  
Blogger I hate Vista said...

Interesting, that so many people do not care, that a human being was tortured and the UK was possibly complicit in this act.
I honestly thought that we had advanced enough to shrug off methods used by Nazis in the 30s and 40s.
It seems we only condemn, if the person has the right colour skin, or the right religion.
I understand the anger and the fear that leads to this behaviour, but please don't condemn me if I am thoroughly ashamed at my country being involved with torture.

6 February 2009 at 22:58  
Blogger EUBanana said...

I'm not happy with torture, but it simply isn't our issue. It is a matter for the American and Ethiopian governments.

It isn't worth aggravating our greatest ally over for someone who sought our protection, was granted it, and then thanked us by spitting in our faces.

The US is not a brutal dictatorship, Americans have consciences too. Any torture issues will be taken as seriously by them as any other nation on earth in the same situation would, I'm sure.

There are so many people far more worthy of our tears and our support in the world than this backstabbing terrorist.

6 February 2009 at 23:38  
Blogger EUBanana said...

It is rare that someone ever changes their mind, but I think I may just have had a complete about-face if this story is actually true.

Though it still doesn't answer why he was in Pakistan with a fake passport.

8 February 2009 at 16:57  

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