Tuesday, March 17, 2009

Bilderberg: 'the jury's out' on future of the EU

EUObserver actually says ‘the jury’s out on the future of Europe’. But unless the existence of an entire geographic entity or the influence of an enduring Christian civilisation is subject to the capricious whim of 12 men (and women) of good repute, Europe will endure for millennia just as she has ever done.

The EU, however, is quite another matter.

Belgian industrialist and former EU commissioner Etienne Davignon is persuaded that the financial crisis is likely to create fundamental changes in the EU. And he speaks with some authority, having been an EU commissioner for industry who worked in the 1960s under EU 'founding father' Paul-Henri Spaak in the Belgian foreign ministry. M. Davignon says: "How does Europe adjust to that change is the question. There is no objective reason to say that we will fail. There is not yet a clear indication that we will succeed in that test, so the jury's out."

As president of the ‘NGO Friends of Europe’ (if the EU is not a government, how can it have affiliated NGOs?), he observes a shadow over the Union. We are in a ‘grey period’, he says, during which the EU’s leaders will be able to do nothing but ‘generate goodwill for co-ordinated action’.

They can have all the summits and conferences they want: there will be no solutions, no remedies and no radical action.

But Cranmer is most intrigued by two aspects of this interview.

Firstly is the prominence of mention of the Bilderberg Group, which is described as ‘an informal club of leading politicians, businessmen and thinkers chaired by M. Davignon’. It plainly states that their function is to ‘improve understanding on future action, in the same way it helped create the euro in the 1990s’.

This is an astonishing disclosure, especially in the light of all those alleged Bilderbergers who have dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists' those who have ventured to suggest the group has any such agenda to ‘improve understanding’ (a distinctly Orwellian inculcation), or that they ‘helped create the euro’ (by helping to remove those who opposed it...).

It comes as no surprise, therefore, to learn that Bilderberg favours relaxing the EU’s rules on state aid and public deficits. They favour the eradication if national industries and the expansion of ‘European producers’. They advocate ‘international bank regulation’ and ‘eurobonds’. These are necessary because ‘national regulation of the financial sector has been a disaster’. And M. Davignon particularly identifies Ireland and Iceland. He declares: "The fact that you are making the euro countries healthier (via Eurobonds) is an element that makes the situation of the less healthy less difficult to solve."

M. Davignon predicted that deeper EU integration as envisaged in the Lisbon treaty will continue due to a ‘majority movement’ that is ‘irresistible over a period of time’, even if an individual member state opts out. He added that a second ‘no’ vote in Ireland on Lisbon ‘would put on the agenda the notion that if somebody says "no", why do we have to care about them?’

But Cranmer is more than intrigued by this Bilderberger's assertion of a Godless EU.

M. Davignon notes a rising anti-establishment feeling in Europe which has ‘deeper roots than the financial crisis’. He says: "People understand confusedly that there is a change (in the air). But no government will satisfy the reactions of the people. They have the greatest reticence and cynicism against anybody who holds responsibility; against the business community because of the financial excesses. Also, the church has disappeared. The popular reaction is also a consequence of the fact that a number of traditional references have disappeared. People are looking for what is the reference."

The church has disappeared?

Try telling that to:

Armenian Apostolic Church (Mother See of Etchmiadzin)
Baptist Union of Denmark
Baptist Union of Great Britain
Baptist Union of Hungary
Catholic Diocese of the Old-Catholics in Germany
Church in Wales
Church of Cyprus
Church of England
Church of Greece
Church of Norway
Church of Scotland
Church of Sweden
Church of the Augsburg Confession of Alsace and Lorraine
Czechoslovak Hussite Church
Ecumenical Patriarchate
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church Abroad
European Continental Province of the Moravian Church
Evangelical Baptist Union of Italy
Evangelical Church in Germany
Evangelical Church of Czech Brethren
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Austria
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Slovakia
Evangelical Church of the Helvetic Confession
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Denmark
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of France
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Iceland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia
Evangelical Lutheran Church of the Augsburg Confession in Romania
Evangelical Methodist Church in Italy
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Portugal
Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Romania
Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches
Greek Evangelical Church
Latvian Evangelical Lutheran Church Abroad
Lusitanian Church of Portugal
Lutheran Church in Hungary
Mennonite Church in the Netherlands
Methodist Church
Methodist Church in Ireland
Mission Covenant Church of Sweden
Old-Catholic Church in Austria
Old-Catholic Church in the Netherlands
Old-Catholic Church of Switzerland
Old-Catholic Mariavite Church in Poland
Orthodox Autocephalous Church of Albania
Orthodox Church in the Czech Lands and Slovakia
Orthodox Church of Finland
Polish Autocephalous Orthodox Church in Poland
Polish Catholic Church in Poland
Presbyterian Church of Wales
Protestant Church in the Netherlands
Reformed Christian Church in Serbia & Montenegro
Reformed Christian Church in Slovakia
Reformed Church in Hungary
Reformed Church in Romania
Reformed Church of Alsace and Lorraine
Reformed Church of France
Remonstrant Brotherhood
Romanian Orthodox Church
Russian Orthodox Church
Scottish Episcopal Church
Serbian Orthodox Church
Silesian Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in the Czech Republic
Slovak Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Serbia & Montenegro
Spanish Evangelical Church
Spanish Reformed Episcopal Church
United Protestant Church of Belgium
United Reformed Church
Waldensian Church

Not to mention:

Armenian Apostolic Church (Holy See of Etchmiadzin)
Orthodox Autocephalous Church of Albania
Old-Catholic Church in Austria
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Austria
Evangelical Church of the Helvetic Confession in Austria
Methodist Church in Austria
United Protestant Church of Belgium
Baptist Union of Bulgaria
Methodist Church in Bulgaria
Pentecostal Assemblies of Bulgaria
Baptist Union of Croatia
Church of God in Croatia
Evangelical (Pentecostal) Church in Croatia
Evangelical Church in the Republic of Croatia
Reformed Christian Church in Croatia
Church of Cyprus
Baptist Union in the Czech Republic
Czechoslovak Hussite Church
Evangelical Church of Czech Brethren
Church of the Brethren (Congregational)
Evangelical Methodist Church (Czech Republic)
Moravian Church in the Czech Republic
Orthodox Church in the Czech Lands and the Slovak Republic
Silesian Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in the Czech Republic
Old Catholic Church in the Czech Republic
Baptist Union of Denmark
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Denmark
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church Abroad (Canada)
Estonian Methodist Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Orthodox Church in Finland
Church of the Augsburg Confession of Alsace and Lorraine
Evangelical Lutheran Church of France
Malagasy Protestant Church in France
Reformed Church of Alsace and Lorraine
Reformed Church of France
Federation of Evangelical Baptist Churches of France
Union of Evangelical Christians-Baptists of Georgia
Evangelical Church in Germany
Union of Evangelical Free Churches in Germany (Baptists)
United Methodist Church in Germany
Catholic Diocese of the Old-Catholics in Germany
Lithuanian Evangelical Lutheran Church in Germany
Baptist Union of Great Britain
Church in Wales
Church of England
Church of Scotland
Congregational Federation of the United Kingdom
Council of African and Caribbean Churches U.K.
Lutheran Council of Great Britain
British Methodist Church
Presbyterian Church of Wales
Salvation Army – UK Territory/Ireland
Scottish Episcopal Church
Shiloh United Church of Christ Apostolic Worldwide (UK)
United Reformed Church
Church of Greece
Greek Evangelical Church
Baptist Union of Hungary
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Hungary
Evangelical Methodist Church in Hungary
Reformed Church in Hungary
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Iceland
Church of Ireland
Methodist Church in Ireland
Presbyterian Church in Ireland
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Italy
Evangelical Methodist Church of Italy
Waldensian Church (Italy)
Baptist Union of Italy
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia
Latvian Evangelical Lutheran Church Abroad (Germany)
Evangelical Church in the Principality of Liechtenstein
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Lithuania
Alliance of Protestant Churches of Luxemburg
Mennonite Church in the Netherlands
Protestant Church in the Netherlands
Old-Catholic Church of the Netherlands
Remonstrant Brotherhood (Netherlands)
Church of Norway
Polish Autocephalous Orthodox Church
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland
Evangelical Reformed Church in Poland
United Methodist Church in Poland
Polish Catholic Church in Poland
Baptist Union of Poland
Old-Catholic Mariavite Church in Poland
Methodist Church of Portugal
Presbyterian Church in Portugal
Lusitanian Catholic Apostolic Evangelical Church (Portugal)
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Romania
Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Romania
Romanian Orthodox Church
Reformed Church in Romania – Oradea District
Reformed Church in Romania – Transylvania District
Euro-Asiatic Federation of the Unions of Evangelical Christians-Baptists
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Ingria in Russia
Russian Orthodox Church
Evangelical Methodist Church in Serbia & Montenegro
Reformed Christian Church in Serbia & Montenegro
Slovakian Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Serbia & Montenegro
Serbian Orthodox Church
Evangelical Methodist Church in FYRO – Macedonia
Evangelical Free Church in the Slovak Republic
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Slovakia
Orthodox Church in the Czech Lands and Slovak Republic
Reformed Christian Church in Slovakia
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in the Republic of Slovenia
Spanish Reformed Episcopal Church
Spanish Evangelical Church
United Methodist Church of Sweden Annual Conference
Baptist Union of Sweden
Church of Sweden
Mission Covenant Church of Sweden
Old-Catholic Church of Switzerland
Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches
United Methodist Church in Switzerland
Trans-Carpathian Reformed Church (Ukraine)
Ecumenical Patriarchate
European Continental Province of the Moravian Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Russia and Other States
Salvation Army International – Headquarters Europe Zone
United Methodist Church – Central and Southern Europe Area
United Methodist Church – Nordic and Baltic Area

And not forgetting:

Action of Churches Together in Scotland
Christian Council of Sweden
Church Mission Society (UK)
Churches’ Commission for Migrants in Europe
Churches Together in Britain and Ireland
Churches Together in England
Spanish Committee on Cooperation between the Churches
Conference of European University Chaplains
Portuguese Council of Christian Churches
CYTUN, Churches Together in Wales
Ecumenical Association of Academies and Lay Centres in Europe
Ecumenical Association of Churches in Romania
Ecumenical Council of Churches in Slovakia
Ecumenical Council of Finland
Ecumenical Forum of European Christian Women
Ecumenical Institute for the Nordic Region
Ecumenical Youth Council in Europe
Estonian Council of Churches
Eurodiaconia – European Federation for Diaconia
European Forum for Christian Men
European Alliance of YMCA’s
European Baptist Federation
European Contact Group on Urban Industrial Mission
Protestant Working Group on Adult Education in Europe
French Protestant Federation
Federation of Protestant Churches in Italy
Gustav Adolf Foundation (Germany)
Inter-European Commission on Church and School
International Association for Christian Education
International Prison Chaplains’ Association
Irish Council of Churches
Church and Peace (Germany)
Conference of European Pastors’ Associations
Ecumenical Council of Churches in Hungary
Christian Council of Norway
Council of Churches in the Netherlands
Society for Ecumenical Studies and Inter-Orthodox Relations
The European YWCAs
Union of Evangelical Free Churches (Germany)
World Christian Student Federation – Europe

And the only ‘observer member’ of the Conference of European Churches:

The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers).

The Church of England may be increasingly difficult to detect. But the Church of Rome under the intellectual giant and magnificently orthodox Pope Benedict XVI is as vital and prominent as ever she was. According to John Allen - one of America’s foremost Roman Catholic writers on Vatican issues – Rome’s plan for ‘Europe’ is constructed upon Four Pillars. One of these is an assertion of the continent’s distinctly Christian traditions and heritage: ‘Europe should not sacrifice its Christian identity upon the altar of tolerance and multi-culturalism’.

He continues: ‘Suffice it to say that it is a bedrock conviction of Benedict XVI and senior Catholic officials that an integrated Europe cannot simply be an open market or an arrangement for mutual defense; it must in the first place be a community of values, and that those values ultimately rest upon the Christian foundations of Europe.’

Pope Benedict’s thinking with regard to the process of European integration is a worthy read for anyone interested in keeping abreast of current Vatican thinking about Europe and its relations in the world and with the Roman Catholic Church. The full article is available here.

Mr Allen says the Pope feels the church must strengthen herself and bind up her divisions if she is to make any serious impact in, and upon, a future Europe. But binding up its divisions in the United Kingdom alone would take more than a century of intercession from Cardinal Newman, let alone the fractures and fissures all over Europe. The Vatican sees Europe as being a major force in future world affairs, perhaps the deciding player in the critical issues facing the world.

Yet Etienne Davignon asserts ‘the church has disappeared’.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Bilderberg shall not prevail against it.

24 Comments:

Anonymous len said...

Ceasar was the ruler of the original Roman empire.
There will be a harlot church wedded to the E U, its leader being its ruler the Pope.

Don`t believe it, watch it happen!

17 March 2009 at 08:09  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

In my mind, the idea of secret organisations like the Bilderberg Group, undermine democracy. We have gone through many pains and trials in order to create a democratic process of government where our politicians are elected at the ballot box. The idea that they then meet in secret to discuss anything what so ever, at the exclusion of the people who they have been elected to represent, is treacherous and underhand.

Membership of such a group should be outlawed for elected politicians, or at the very least be opened up to the electorate. During elections these people produce bits of paper telling us all about themselves so we know who they are and what they stand for. The idea that they then meet up in secret to discuss God knows what, is troublesome, suspicious and causes a great many people to anxiously wonder why they surround themselves in such aggressive secrecy.

We have cameras in Parliament so we can observe, and yet these Bilderbergers are a complete mystery. For some reason the mention of Bilderberg seems to attract ridicule, but I suppose this is how they like it. If their agenda is honest and of good intentions, then why all the strange cloaks and dagger, ritualistic and strange black order secret meetings?

21st Ostara coming up.

17 March 2009 at 08:11  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

The trouble is Cranmer, you can highlight these things 'till you are blue in the face, but the people of the UK have become passionless, dead even. They stare at you expressionless like zombies. THIS VIDEO clip highlights it for me.

17 March 2009 at 08:31  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Give us a referendum and we'll show M. Davignon what he can do with his Lisbon Treaty. With precise, anatomical details...

17 March 2009 at 09:22  
Blogger Theo said...

ONE OF the seven angels who had the seven bowls then came and spoke to me, saying, Come with me! I will show you the doom (sentence, judgment) of the great harlot (idolatress) who is seated on many waters,
2 [She] with whom the rulers of the earth have joined in prostitution (idolatry) and with the wine of whose immorality (idolatry) the inhabitants of the earth have become intoxicated.
3 And [the angel] bore me away [rapt] in the Spirit into a desert (wilderness), and I saw a woman seated on a scarlet beast (Europa?)that was all covered with blasphemous titles (names), and he had seven heads and ten horns.
4 The woman was robed in purple and scarlet and bedecked with gold, precious stones, and pearls, [and she was] holding in her hand a golden cup full of the accursed offenses and the filth of her lewdness and vice.
5 And on her forehead there was inscribed a name of mystery [with a secret symbolic meaning]: Babylon the great, the mother of prostitutes (idolatresses) and of the filth and atrocities and abominations of the earth.
6 I also saw that the woman was drunk, [drunk] with the blood of the saints (God’s people) and the blood of the martyrs [who witnessed] for Jesus. And when I saw her, I was utterly amazed and wondered greatly.
7 But the angel said to me, Why do you wonder? I will explain to you the [secret symbolic meaning of the] mystery of the woman, as well as of the beast having the seven heads and ten horns that carries her.
8 The beast that you saw [once] was, but [now] is no more, and he is going to come up out of the Abyss (the bottomless pit) and proceed to go to perdition. And the inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been recorded in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world will be astonished when they look at the beast, because he [once] was, but [now] is no more, and he is [yet] to come.
9 This calls for a mind [to consider that is packed] with wisdom and intelligence [it is something for a particular mode of thinking and judging of thoughts, feelings, and purposes]. The seven heads are seven hills (Rome?)upon which the woman is sitting;
10 And they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one still exists [and is reigning]; the other [the seventh] has not yet appeared, and when he does arrive, he must stay [but] a brief time.
11 And as for the beast that [once] was, but now is no more, he [himself] is an eighth ruler (king, head), but he is of the seven and belongs to them, and he goes to perdition.
12 Also the ten horns that you observed are ten rulers (kings) who have as yet received no royal dominion, but together they are to receive power and authority as rulers for a single hour, along with the beast.
13 These have one common policy (opinion, purpose), and they deliver their power and authority to the beast.
14 They will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will triumph over them; for He is Lord of lords and King of kings—and those with Him and on His side are chosen and called [elected] and loyal and faithful followers.
15 And [the angel further] said to me, The waters that you observed, where the harlot is seated, are races and multitudes and nations and dialects (languages).
16 And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will [be the very ones to] hate the harlot (the idolatrous woman); they will make her cheerless (bereaved, desolate), and they will strip her and eat up her flesh and utterly consume her with fire.
17 For God has put it into their hearts to carry out His own purpose by acting in harmony in surrendering their royal power and authority to the beast, until the prophetic words (intentions and promises) of God shall be fulfilled.
18 And the woman that you saw is herself the great city which dominates and controls the rulers and the leaders of the earth.
Rev 17:1-18 (AMP)

Today I believe we are seeing these things coming to pass

17 March 2009 at 10:03  
Blogger Microcosm said...

(if the EU is not a government, how can it have affiliated NGOs?)

And if its not a United States how come it has a Congress?

eurojewcon.org

17 March 2009 at 12:59  
Anonymous len said...

In Stanleys History , page 40: " The popes Filled the place of the vacant emperors of Rome, inheriting their power, their prestige, and their titles from paganism."

17 March 2009 at 13:42  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

I think the only hope is for Christian communities to turn in on themselves and form aggressively protectionist groups, and leave the secular world to rot in its own excrement.

A BBC report about AIDS in Washington DC says The infection rate puts Washington DC on a par with Uganda. 7% of black males between 40 and 49 are infested with the disease. Listen tio the embedded today programme also. The American Dream.

Whatever takes place in the world over the coming years is going to be out of our control, and at the end of the day we are going to have to get on with it as best we can. The future looks grim to say the least. Russia has announced today that it is going to re-arm its self, on the same day that Gordon says Britain ready to cut nuclear arsenal, and at the same time issues Iran nuclear warning.

Earlier this week there were reports of US and China spitting at each other in international waters. It seems that everyone has been stirred by the economic collapse, and are becoming aware of the tension as individual countries face hard times ahead. Focus is turning to the dwindling resources as paranoia and mistrust sets in. Given the track record of certain culprits, who can blame them.

In the mean time, all we can do as individuals is have faith. This will mean a return to a more traditional approach to our future existence, with a return to a firmer grounding in Christian morals and teaching. It wont be easy, but it never was meant to be. It will be that leap of faith and hope in the blessings that will come that will save whatever Christian community there is which turns its face back towards the Christian God.

We need more Christian Faith Schools which will be exempt from government meddling. Institutions which will return to teaching the difference from right and wrong based on Christian teachings, and Christian morals and principles. If its not for you and your kids, fine, bugger off to the secular slime factories, but do not interfere. And to be frank, a smack in the teeth can sometimes work wonders. Not very Christian you may say, ah well. I was caned across the arse a few times, and I never turned into a mas murderer, a wife beater, a rapist, but had they left me to my own stupid devices, I quite possibly could have.

17 March 2009 at 15:03  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Theo & Len.
You are right on target, I've seen this group of "Mystery" men for a long time as you obviously have, secretly preparing the way of the antichrist, so much of the latest legislation passed has the hallmarks of this prophecy, the New World Order, ID cards (compulsory of course) CCTV watching everybody, (but try asking to see footage if damage has been done to your property) the nanny state that gets more intrusive every day, moral decline, the gagging of the christian voice that objects to it, One wonders if the economic crash was actually created by the Bilderbergs to force the pace? & of course the good old EU, shadowy, unelected, answerable to no one, but ruling all, the perfect vehichle for the Beasts one world government.
Sounds to far fetched to be true, but this IS where it starts isn't it? But no one will believe us. The truth hurts.

17 March 2009 at 15:24  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

To highlight the case of too much education and not enough learning is an article from the New Republic which asks how much are the nations so called elite business schools responsible for the financial crisis. Instilling a secular faith which lead to destruction.

(I only have two days before I have to go away so I am making the most...you will soon be rid of me for months)

17 March 2009 at 15:27  
Anonymous len said...

" The world ,cloaked with a form of righteousness, walked into the church.Now the work of corruption rapidly progressed.Paganism, while appearing to be vanquished, became the conqueror. Her spirit controlled the church.Her doctrines,ceremonies, and superstitions were incorporated into the faith and worship of the professed followers of Christ."
( From The' Great Controversy'.p50)
There are two churches in the christian faith 'The Bride of Christ' and 'The Harlot'

17 March 2009 at 18:07  
Blogger Catholic Observer said...

Happy St Patrick's Day!

17 March 2009 at 18:16  
OpenID BL@KBIRD said...

I believe he meant that broad public relevance of the Church has disappeared. Which means, boiled down, the churches political clout is gone.

Not necessarily a bad thing.

17 March 2009 at 18:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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17 March 2009 at 19:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe he meant that broad public relevance of the Church has disappeared. Which means, boiled down, the churches political clout is gone.

Then the man is either a liar, or an idiot.

I can not say much for the Church of England, as it has long since been subservient to The Roman Empires Church.

To seriously believe that the Roman Catholic Church no longer has almost complete and absolute political power in Europe in particular, is verging on insanity.

The Roman Catholic Church is the single most powerful political entity currently known to mankind. This has been the case for a very long time, and nothing has really changed much during this period.

The way things are and have always been, simply evolves slowly or otherwise, into something more adapted to an ever changing environment. In the case of The Roman Catholic Church, this requires its power to become even more covert in nature, then it was in the past.

Surely it is clear?

The same types of characters that ruled what was the modern world 10 thousand years ago, still rule the modern world today, and will still be ruling it for many many tomorrows.

Atlas shrugged

17 March 2009 at 20:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe he meant that broad public relevance of the Church has disappeared. Which means, boiled down, the churches political clout is gone.

This is true for some area of society as the church has lost it's power spiritually so it has lost it's political power.

there is only one answer "repent and apologise to all and then seek your first love".

Do you really see this happening?
lets get real the church of Rome and many others do not seek Jesus first.

Yes the church has disappeared for these men and many others and that's fine. Just look at the degration of society throughout the EU.

The real church is still there and will be self evident on the last day.
The question is are you part of it?
MikeNZ

17 March 2009 at 20:18  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

The Lord will always keep a remnant.

17 March 2009 at 20:55  
Anonymous Real Estate Agent in Vancouver said...

Maybe the so called "disappearance" of the church wouldn't happen if the Christian communities weren't so mysterious about everything. You can't ask a question, can't say a bad word about them, can't interact with them. How can we give them power if they're so unwilling to show the responsibility back.

Jay

17 March 2009 at 20:56  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

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17 March 2009 at 21:03  
Anonymous len said...

Anguished soul,
The lord will always keep a remnant,
Exactly, spot on!
The Lord will work through one man if necessary, Daniel is the supreme example.
Satan tried everything in his power to defeat this man but the Lord was with him all the way!
Once the Lord finds one man willing to carry out the Lords work the Lord will move heaven and earth to support him!

17 March 2009 at 21:56  
Anonymous len said...

The world system and the kingdom of God are two totally opposed systems.
The world system is based on carnal values and the glorification of self. The kingdom of God is spiritual and all honour,and glory, and power is given to God.
The only religious system that can be wedded to the world will be the harlot.
The true bride( the ekklesia) is in the world but not of the world.
A friend of the world is no friend of God.James 4:4

17 March 2009 at 22:18  
Anonymous not a machine said...

given that manuel barroso is a practising roman catholic , i am slightly surprised that he is not more willing to let the Uk people decide for themselves , you could interpret his lack of condemnation on the promise given by all parties to allow a referendum , whic labour renaged upon and the lib dems , made up a fake protest, as being unchristian .

with elections comming we have chance to put a brake on this by hopefully eurosceptic MEps getting elected . this would then act as a stop gap until we get a party that will come up with a more robust Uk approach to the EU .

its a personal matter that i find the money spent on the EU , a waste , but there is such a thing as shared interests and perhaps a common good . trade should certainly not be set in concrete nor finance .

so no to superstate , it will be oppresive and involve the re writing of history and has no guarentee that it is a better form of government because it is bigger .

the christian aspect of european culture , does need some working together , but it is clear that its subversion or put on a equal footing with islam , will be an enduring headache.

perhaps soon we have the EU regulation of churches , where silenec is the only non offensive form of worship and "silent night" will be banned and christmas trees will be re named "light trees"

for the Eu to be a success it has to weaken history and tradition , the last thing it needs is a competitor for hearts and minds and suspicion of socialist votes .

18 March 2009 at 00:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...deeper EU integration as envisaged in the Lisbon treaty will continue due to a ‘majority movement’..."

A Majority of who or what, one wonders.

Ah, the "people who matter", I suppose.

Bastards.

Out now!

18 March 2009 at 10:59  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

EU fools and other globalists are running out of options. When crunch time comes they probably wont even know why their world is falling apart.

18 March 2009 at 18:57  

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