Friday, March 06, 2009

Bishop Williamson 'banned from entering any Catholic church'

Cranmer has no time at all for the Holocaust-denying Richard Williamson – the newly incommunicate ‘bishop’ of the Society of St Pius X – who has caused Pope Benedict XVI more than a little trouble over recent months. His beliefs are undoubtedly repugnant, nonsensical, ahistorical and offensive. He may even be guilty of bringing the Roman Catholic Church into disrepute and disobeying the Holy Father.

But to hear that the Cardinal Archbishop of Los Angeles, Roger Mahony, has banned him from even entering church is to elevate the man’s sin to the status of the rebellion of Lucifer.

The Cardinal said:

“In the Los Angeles Archdiocese, Williamson is hereby banned from entering any Catholic church, school or other facility, until he and his group comply fully and unequivocally with the Vatican's directives regarding the Holocaust.”

Schools – fine. Other facilities – fine. The Cardinal's back garden - fine. But ‘banned from entering any Catholic church’?

Is church not supposed to be the place for sinners? Does it not welcome murderers, liars, thieves, adulterers, homosexuals, paedophiles, rapists, readers of 'The Tablet' and Tony Blair – indeed, all who may be in need of the grace and mercy of God? Is their attendance not necessary for the church to exist? Is it not the church’s very raison d’être to be ministering to sinners and urging them to repent? Where else may one access the sacraments? How else may one encounter the outward and visible signs of an inward and spiritual grace? How is Bishop Williamson to confess? Is reconciliation to be effected by text or email?

Excommunicate, by all means: the Apostle Paul set out very clear directives and conditions upon the matter. But banning a man – any man – from church because of his rebellion and sin is a gross abuse of ecclesial authority and a fundamental misunderstanding of missiology and soteriology.

There are many mortal sins. And surely they may all lead to the place of everlasting fire. But it is concerning to learn that holocaust denial is now elevated to parity with blasphemy against the Holy Spirit as an unforgivable sin.

To quote Tony Blair when he was banned from Mass at Westminster Cathedral: ‘What would Jesus say?’

Perhaps something like ‘Let him who is without sin...’


Anonymous len said...

Catholicism is clearly the religion of the confused.
Mortal sin, venial sins,all the rest of the rigmarole.
God said "The soul who sins will die" (Ezekiel 18)
Your sins are already paid for or their not.
All this confession( to a priest)is to keep power in the hands of the clergy.
Williamson is also clearly deluded and needs help,not exclusion

6 March 2009 at 19:19  
Blogger Microcosm said...

I do not care for any extremes in politics, it does seem though that something within politics has a habit of sinking into extreme quagmires. In which one extreme becomes the only method of exterminating another and the simple survival of races or nations are the only motive for such actions.

I just checked my emails your Grace to discover news that Obama has granted eminent domain to China as way of funding his 'change' so why holocaust revisionists are persecuted the World over, it would seem quite the opposite extreme is the biggest threat the World is facing.

As the collapse of paper currency gets closer, I fear our offspring may be finding employment in gold mining gulags, if some of the traitors who have destroyed the west are not dealt with. soon!

6 March 2009 at 19:38  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Your Grace, one has to beg the question - why was Williamson brought in from the cold in the first place? Has he recanted his opinion of the holocaust? Apparently not. Did the Pope not know what the man was excommunicated for?

It seems the His Holiness is as woolly as the Archbishop of Canterbury. And people wonder why Christianity is floundering...

6 March 2009 at 20:33  
Blogger Catholic Observer said...

I agree with His Grace. His Eminence has a noxious and well-documented anti-traditionalist agenda. This is more about his own personal anti-traditionalism; only a few days ago did he denounce the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite. Clearly this is a political move.

6 March 2009 at 20:41  
Blogger Catholic Observer said...

Mortal sin is not an unbiblical concept.

"If anyone sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal." 1 John 5:16–17.

"But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full grown brings forth death." James 1:14–15

6 March 2009 at 20:46  
Blogger Catholic Observer said...

"Your sins are already paid for or their not."

Catholics do not abjure this, but to imply that it precludes priestly confession or the concept of mortal sin is to confuse Christ's perfect redemption with our individual appropriation of that redemption.

It is certainly true that Our Lord's offer of redemption is a free gift to us all, but like all temporal gifts, it is one that can be lost. Like any gift we can destroy it, forfeit it, replace it or return it. Like our foreparents Adam and Eve, we are perfectly at liberty to reject God's grace and subsequently loose His friendship.

Consider St Paul's warning: "See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off" (Romans 11:22)

6 March 2009 at 21:25  
Blogger Catholic Observer said...

As for the Sacrament of Confession:

"As the Father has sent me, so I send you. And with that he breathed on them and said, Receive the Holy Spirit. If YOU forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if YOU retain the sins of any, they are retained" emphasis added:(John 20:21–23).

Interestingly, this is only the second time in which God breathes on a human being. The other instance is of it occuring is in the Creation narrative in the Book of Genesis where God 'breathes' on man to animate him. There is a direct analogy here: whereas breathing on mankind in Genesis brings man to life, so breathing in this context indicates restoring man to life (sanctifying grace), having forfeited it through his mortal sins.

6 March 2009 at 21:51  
Anonymous Sabina said...

The Pope was a Nazi during the war, so he's hardly in a position to pass judgment.

6 March 2009 at 21:59  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

Its all very amusing.

6 March 2009 at 22:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Pope was not a Nazi, he was a member of the Hitler Youth, which is slightly different, seeing as every young person had to join the HY, to be a Nazi you had to be a member of the Nazi party.

All Nazis are Germans, but not all Germans are Nazis

6 March 2009 at 23:26  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

Its all very refreshing also. Let's hope it doesn't get resolved too quickly.

6 March 2009 at 23:45  
Blogger Thomas B said...

why was Williamson brought in from the cold in the first place? Has he recanted his opinion of the holocaust? Apparently not. Did the Pope not know what the man was excommunicated for?

Yes the Pope did know what he was excommunicated for. Do you (here's a hint - it had nothing to do with his idiotic views on mid 20th century European history).

This does rather smack of grandstanding by the Archbishop of LA - he's rather assuming US Immigration would let the man in in the first place, which as the citizen of a foreign country is by no means possible.

A ban on entering any church in the diocese is simply unenforceable in any case - Cardinal Mahoney must know this. The only interpretation of this that is actually enforcable is that no church in the diocese should give the man an official platform.

7 March 2009 at 00:06  
Anonymous Brian said...

There's lots of virulent antiSemitism within the Anglican Church and the leadership does nothing about it:

7 March 2009 at 08:41  
Blogger Microcosm said...

Father Coughlins speech is as relevant today as it was back in the 1930s nazis are a product of communism. They gain momentum in response to the threat of the other.

Considering the situation today is resembling that of Weimar Germany between the wars for all of us, anti-semitism is not a good enough argument, the onus must be on both the jew and gentile to virilantly oppose communism.

7 March 2009 at 09:25  
Blogger BIGDAN said...

Legalism, legalism. That's what the Catholic church is all about.

Paul to the Galatians anyone?

7 March 2009 at 13:52  
Anonymous oiznop said...

It's a bit rich of Cardinal Mahoney effectively saying his churches are too holy for detritus like Williamson. It's self righteous and literally holier-than-thou. God must be weeping at the sanctiminious unchristian and anloving attitude. It's ironic that Mahoney has just excommunicated what the Pope has just un-excomunicated. I thought Catholics were 'more united' than Protestants?

7 March 2009 at 13:58  
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7 March 2009 at 20:14  
Anonymous len said...

Catholic observer,
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light,we have fellowship with one another, AND THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST HIS SON CLEANSES US FROM ALL SIN.
It is not our confessions that cleanse us from our sin but the blood of Jesus.
If we confess our sins , He is
faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.( This is addressed to unbelievers)
The new covenant says that God is merciful to ALL your unrighteousness and has forgotten your sins plus your lawless deeds.
If God says He has forgotten them,He has truly forgotten them.
Who are we to contradict Him?God cannot lie!.

7 March 2009 at 22:29  
Anonymous len said...

Dutchlionfrans 1953
I would remind you that Jesus Christ (Yeshua) was and is a jew, the lion of Judah.
I think heaven will be a very difficult place for anti-semites.

7 March 2009 at 22:40  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Frans,

Please desist from using His Grace's august blog as personal your platform to hyperlnik to whatever pleases you.

You are more than welcome to establish your own blog for such purposes.

7 March 2009 at 23:31  
Anonymous Sabina said...

My uncle lived in Germany from 1970-2000, and believe me, they're still Nazis. This liberal exterior is a very thin veneer.

8 March 2009 at 00:45  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

I am sorry to see that Cranmer censors that which is censored also by the Zionist controled media. This way you howl with the Zionist wolves in their forest. But this way you do not allow the voice of the truth to be heard! This way, you measure with two measures! That which youy accuse others of, you do yourself.

I am sorry to see this as this greatly takes away from the power of your arguements.

Nevertheless: No matter if the whole world will align against the truth: The Truth still stands.

The truth is not established by votes, or support. It remains!

Why is everybody so quick to judge Bishop Williamson?

Why don't you get the facts together first, instead of howling with the wolves?

Do YOU want to know the truth? You should for Jesus Christ IS THE TRUTH! If you want to be His disciple, you MUST throw off the bondage of lies! Yes this may be a struggle, especially when you have been brainwashed by continuous one-sided propaganda by those who LIVE by HOAXES and lies, like the HOAX of man-made 'global warming,' and the hoax of the 6 million Jews deliberately gassed by the NAZI's and so forth. For whosoever accepts these hoaxes and lies for truth, is a child of the father of lies, Satan!

Jews HATE Christians! Their Talmud is full of evidences of this! Also Jesus Christ Himself said so: "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you" (John 15: 18 - 20a)

... "These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues: (Jesus talked about the JEWS who did not believe in Him - and this applies today the very same way!!) yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me." ( John 16: 1-3)

You can not be a child of God and embrace lies for truth! Ignorance is NO excuse! If you truelly follow Jesus Christ as Lord, He will guide you by His Spirit into ALL Truth! For He is the truth. He is the Light and there is no darkness in Him!

Do you think He will allow any darkness, injustice, lies, sin to remain in any of His children? NO WAY! He commands us to be holy, for He is holy! We MUST make every effort to know the truth! For only the truth can make us free! (Read again: John 8:32-59)

So, take your time and read, digest, pray over, meditate over the information presented on the Internet.

I do not give links any more as Cranmer removes them...censoring them... choosing for all. Look for them! Expect Jesus Christ to lead you into ALL Truth! For He wants you to be free!

8 March 2009 at 14:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its just grandstanding by the cardinal.

8 March 2009 at 17:58  
Blogger ZZMike said...

Sabina: "The Pope was a Nazi during the war, so he's hardly in a position to pass judgment."

I call your attention to this note in Ratzinger's history:

"His studies were interrupted in 1943 by forced service in Adolf Hitler's army, but he returned to seminary at the end of 1945."

He was never a Nazi.

Your grace is gracious in letting stand for a moment the vituperations of der Hollandische Löwe.

His arguments are so persuasive and coherent that he must certainly have a blog of his own, where he can continue those arguments at great length.

"So, take your time and read, digest, pray over, meditate over the information presented on the Internet."

Yes, there is a lot of information on the internet.

Some of it is true. Mr Löwe has envidently been reading the other parts.

9 March 2009 at 20:21  
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12 March 2009 at 03:15  
Blogger Maxime said...


Since when is having Bishop Williamson's views on the Holocaust a sin?

Btw, I do not agree with them, I think certainly the numbers were far higher than he said, though perhaps also rather lower than 6 million. Maybe this would get me blackballed under Jewish pressure? Isn't it wrong we are not allowed to look at all the research on this question, just a couple approved sources?

But back to Williamson, he is also a very independent man in general. He seems to think 9/11 was not done by Muslims ... I think all in all he would be shown to be much less racist than many to most Catholic clergy. As a clergyman himself, he appears to be (to have been) quite active.

You are right that the Church should not ban him...but you also should not condemn him. His worst sin was foolishness to express himself on Swedish TV.

And it is entirely sad for the great Roman Catholic Church that this announcement was made with a couple otherwise insignificant Jews. That only drives home the obvious bowing to their pressure. I am sure many Catholic clergy hold militaristic views, some might agree with the worst Israeli actions. Some undoubtedly deny the Armenian holocaust, some (esp. POLES) are so anti-Russian they only wish Hitler killed more (and that is the main massacre of the Nazis, do remember). But only opinions that offend Jews provoke a decent man's destruction.

15 March 2009 at 13:25  

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