Wednesday, March 04, 2009

Is Gordon Brown planning military action against the British people?

Why otherwise are Army personnel being asked if they would be prepared to 'open fire' on UK citizens during civil disturbances?

Why otherwise are ‘special briefing sessions’ being held to ascertain whether or not members of Her Majesty’s Armed Forces would fire on their own nationals?

It may be quite usual for the Army to be placed on standby during periods of threatened unrest, but the thought of the streets of London being subject to the sorts of scenes last witnessed on the streets of Belfast is not remotely acceptable.

But Dr Richard North has received intelligence ‘from a confidential source’ that ‘the MoD was buying up unusually large quantities of tear gas and other riot equipment’.

Of course, ‘other riot equipment’ may be nothing more than shields and helmets. But in light of the information in the PJC Journal, it appears that Her Majesty’s Government are preparing to unleash the might of Her Majesty’s Armed Forces upon Her Majesty’s loyal subjects.

Are we really now in a state where police authority can override parliamentary privilege; where elected politicians can be silenced by unelected peers; where freedom of speech for Christians is subsumed to the ‘rights’ of minorities; where innocent people can be subject to surveillance and detained for a month without charge; and where a ruling executive can let slip the dogs of war to kill their compatriots?

The British Army is undeniably professional and world class. But we have seen that there are elements within it which are prepared to engage in illegal and intimidatory activity against ordinary people. It is one thing to conspire with the civil authorities to enforce false arrest; it is quite another to injure someone or end a life simply because one is obeying orders. The United Kingdom is not a war zone, and civil unrest would not constitute such.

‘New Labour’ continues to be the most authoritarian government in centuries: it rules with all the infallible arrogance of divine right. Ancient rights have been transgressed, traditions set aside and liberties curtailed. The Civil Contingencies Act 2004 is nothing but an ‘Enabling Act’ which gives the government the authority to declare a state of emergency – with no possibility of objective scrutiny or challenge – and thereafter rule by decree. The ‘emergency’ can be declared if there has been an incident, if an incident is occurring, or if an incident is about to occur.

We are back in the realms of Minority Report.

Margaret Thatcher could have deployed the Army to gun down the miners or the poll tax rioters. Tony Blair could have called them up to rid the roads of fuel protestors. And they could have done so with impunity, for there are no consequences for the abuse of these powers.

On declaring an emergency, ministers acquire the power to make arbitrary regulations for many purposes, including ‘protecting or restoring the activities of banks or other financial institutions’ (that was prophetic) and ‘protecting or restoring activities of Parliament’. Since these regulations bypass Parliament under the Royal Prerogative, the Prime Minister has acquired absolute power to inter alia ‘give directions or orders’, ‘provide for or enable the requisition or confiscation of property’, ‘provide for or enable the destruction of property’, ‘prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, movement to or from a specified place’; and ‘prohibit, or enable the prohibition of, assemblies of specified kinds, at specified places or at specified times’.

Reports of ‘top secret contingency plans’ to counter the threat posed by a ‘summer of discontent’ appear to have more than a grain of truth to them. And we have seen before what arises when a nation is humiliated: when it is stuck in an economic crisis, mired in recession, subject to external constraints, with unemployment soaring, protests and civil unrest.

Political extremists arise to incite and stir with the most reasonable and engaging of themes.

We have not heard the last of ‘British jobs for British workers’.

And it is not only the poorly educated or ‘working class’ who are prone to such overtures. According to The Express, the Government is worried ‘that the middle classes, now struggling to cope with unemployment and repossessions, may take to the streets with the disenfranchised’. The Daily Mail also expresses concern that ‘law-abiding middle-class individuals who would never have considered joining demonstrations may now seek to vent their anger through protests this year’.

And ‘...there have been crisis talks in Whitehall about this’.

Cranmer bets there has.

With ‘thousands of foreign workers exploiting British jobs market’, with concerns over immigration, with companies collapsing, with unemployment and house repossessions increasing, there is an underlying reservoir of resentment and contempt which is presently simmering but may yet boil over.

Prime Minister, the people are angry.

Is your solution of last resort to shoot them?

63 Comments:

Anonymous Broxburn said...

It is reliably reported that the BNP are planning a series of riots. This 'party' should be banned now before it gets the chance to cause trouble:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/71270/BNP-stoke-summer-of-discontent-/

4 March 2009 at 08:03  
Blogger an ex-apprentice said...

The Whitehall concern about the middle classes is fully justified, and if they have identified that particular danger as being of great concern then they demonstrate a degree of common sense that is more usually totally absent.

It takes a lot to arouse the middle classes to take to the streets, but the use of the powers you describe would do it.

Once started, and organised, they'd take some stopping.

4 March 2009 at 08:05  
Blogger Obnoxio The Clown said...

Your Grace may want to consider this perspective on potential riots.

4 March 2009 at 08:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace,

It is incredible that someone who reads your blog can actually propose that the way to solve the problem of the widespread, and stll only simmering, anger 'out there', is to ban the BNP.

The way to calm this anger is for other parties to address the real concerns of people, some of which articulated by the BNP and only the BNP.

4 March 2009 at 09:02  
Blogger ProudGeordie said...

Broxburn,

The BNP are not planning riots at all. As a member I can assure you that celebrating St. Georges day is not viewed as an excuse for a ruck by the party or it's members. Exposing corruption and peadophilia in councils is not hate-mongering or divisive politics, it is letting people know the truth. The media lie to sell newspapers, boost ratings and curry favour with establishment politicians.

4 March 2009 at 09:18  
Anonymous Gnostic said...

These rumours have been bouncing all over the blogosphere for days. If they are true then Parliament needs to act. And it needs to do it NOW. Turning Her Majesty's armed forces upon Her Majesty's subjects is the ultimate betrayal. This government is not fit to govern. They've already proved that over and over again.

Given this government's appalling track record why isn't the Opposition tabling a motion of no confidence? Don't we already have the legal means to bring Labour down without resorting to riots? Or did Labour manage to scupper that part of the constitution too?

And talking of constitution, we have a constitutional monarchy. I believe the Queen has the power to summon Parliament and dissolve it in order to bring about a general election. If troops are put onto British streets then I think she should seriously consider getting off her privileged behind and defend her realm before the throne is snatched from beneath said behind!

4 March 2009 at 09:44  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Your Grace.
This is Orwells 1984, right down to the cameras, newspeak & the spy helicopters. As you so rightly point out, it has been coming for a long time, certainly since Blair held office. It should also be of concern that many politicians are speaking of a "New World Order", this is reported from many sources & would probably be defused by cries of " conspiracy theory nuts" but who would of thought that todays blog would ever have been true? With I.D cards & I.D chips now available one wonders how long it will be before our personal pin numbers will be prefaced by 666? & any refusal will mark one out as an enemy of the state? It will be interesting to see if H.M opposition party will raise questions in the house about this. Well we can't say that we were not warned!

4 March 2009 at 09:55  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

What is all this talk of "her majesties" armed forces/administration,she gave up all pretensions to that title when she committed treason against her people by signing the lisbon constitution,and this enabling act is just another piece in the new world orders agenda,problem/reaction/solution,the eussr has already implemented "laws"by which we can be shot down at will in the streets,so there can be no question that these measures are not for the benefit of the people,only to make obedience to thier master obligatory ,but the nation had its chance to prevent excesses like these,unfortunately it could not be bothered and now we are prisoners in our own country,subject to arbitrary rule.

4 March 2009 at 10:01  
Anonymous Maturecheese said...

In reply to Broxburn, I suspect it is more likely the left and far left that are planning to riot in the streets as it will play straight into the Governments hands. Most BNP supporters will do the right thing and VOTE the right way in June, as a start. Unfortunately, in my view, its probably too late to save this over populated broken country. It really makes me sad that our so called leaders have allowed us to fall so far and it won't surprise me one bit to see troops on the streets "keeping Order".

4 March 2009 at 10:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most likely scenario:

Food supply chain breaks down. Supermarkets cleaned out. People get hungry within a couple of days. The bad boys get their guns out and start raiding shops and homes, for food or whatever. Police lose control. People being shot. Army called in.

Think about it - how many supermarkets near you? When they're empty, where would you go?

4 March 2009 at 11:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace,

I know you usually disregard the comments of the anonymice but one would hope that you will recognise the need for anonymity when discussing national security.

You have posed all these questions that the government are supposedly asking of the Armed Forces but nowhere do you even guess at the blindingly obvious response they would get/are getting- to whit "No, we are not."

The same question was asked of the forces in the mid 60s over whether they would be prepared to invade Rhodesia and overthrow Smith- given that the Rhodies were kith and kin. Answer, no.

Given the fact that any responsible government (and we can quibble over whether this government is worthy of that title) has as a matter of course the responsibility to prepare for any eventuality which may affect the security of nation, we should consider it remiss if they did not ask under what circumstances her Majesty's ministers could rely upon her Majesty's Forces.

As someone who served as an officer until very recently, I would suggest that any suggestion that the Forces would be prepared to fire upon British citizens in any but the most outrageous scenarios would be laughable were it not also so grossly offensive.

In addition, you don't appear to be suggesting what your alternative to widespread unrest should be. If we reached a point where the police were unable to cope, as in Northern Ireland, do you try and bolster them through the deployment of the Army, or do you surrender to anarchy?

Even if you take the view that this would be an act against a government which caused all the problems, you would do well to remember that the system has to carry on if the government is to be replaced democratically.

Frankly, I am surprised at you.

Given that, this article on your otherwise excellent blog is so much scaremongering.

4 March 2009 at 11:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Broxburn states "It is reliably reported that the BNP are planning a series of riots".
Could the source be NuLabor Central Office and that it is their own activists that will be doing the undercover agitating to keep their incompetent fools in power?- distinctly Stalinist tactics.
bbc would also like to propagate this stupid rumour as they have a BNP axe to grind.
And NO I am not a member of the BNP.

4 March 2009 at 11:42  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr Anonymous 11.41,

His Grace thanks you for your reasoned comments.

This may indeed be worthy of surprise if we had not recently witnessed an 80-year-old being ejected from a Labour Party conference for heckling; if we had not witnessed a prime minister freeze the assets of the Icelandic bank using the same 'anti-terror' legislation; and if we had not witnessed the police invade the Palace of Westminster and the private office of a Member of Parliament.

If His Grace may paraphrase you:

"I would suggest that any suggestion that the police would be prepared to fire upon or act against British citizens in any but the most outrageous scenarios would be laughable were it not also so grossly offensive."

Al His Grace has done is replace your 'Forces' with 'police'.

The point His Grace is making - which you deem to be so utterly far-fetched as to be laughable - is that an over-mighty executive is prone to gross abuses of power. Legislation passed by a 'responsible' government may be grossly abused by the irresponsible.

4 March 2009 at 11:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a high percentage of serving british troops are foreign born recruits.perhaps they have a different outlook on this question.

4 March 2009 at 12:34  
Blogger Microcosm said...

The way to prevent civil unrest is to have the full support of your Countrymen.

Asking the British Army to gun down civilians could result in the British Army turning their weapons on the Government instead.

Such a move would get the full support of our Countrymen.

Give em one between the eyes for me lads!

problem/reaction/solution

4 March 2009 at 13:30  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

For once, I am speechless. You have outdone me on this one. Machine gunning middle class protesters: What's the cut off age for joining the army?

4 March 2009 at 13:42  
Anonymous Nelson said...

I would like to say that all it takes for a bloodbath to ensue is one armed frightened man in a stress filled situation, believing his own or his comrades lives are at risk, a split second decision & it has begun, fear spreads, another man thinks the order to fire live rounds has been given so he opens fire too. In the ensuing panic the crowd stampedes, women & children are killed & injured, & the government promises an enquiry. Couldn't happen here you say? not long ago an innocent & unarmed man was shot dead on the London underground, although he was shot MANY times in the head, apparently no one was to blame. Wake up & smell the coffee people, riots are never the answer, but will someone please take the matches away from the child in number Ten BEFORE he burns the house down.

4 March 2009 at 13:53  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would've thought that military planners would certainly have a contingency plan for massive civil unrest. They must have contingency plans for all sorts of unlikely events...

4 March 2009 at 13:55  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

You can choose not to believe me here, its not that important to me. But I can put my hand on my heart and say that the BNP is mostly made up of boring and frustrated old geezers, go to a meeting and check it out. I will not be popular for saying this, but that is also unimportant to me anymore. The BNP suffer from the same problem that other parties suffer when it comes to attracting young people: ie, young people don't do politics, they really do not give a flying f***.

So who the hell it is that is supposed to be organising these riots is a mystery to me. It sounds like the government are really desperate to have these riots none the less. One thing for sure, I will not be anywhere near them, I have just secured a nice little job away in the middle of nowhere. So I wish you all the best with your summer of rage. I will keep an eye on the TV though.

What does anyone stand to gain from civil unrest? I found the body language between Brown and Obama interesting yesterday: I would not trust the Yanks as far as I could urinate, and in this weather its not very far at all.

I don't know whether they really do put something in the water, but the vast majority of people in this country really do deserve a good kick up the arse, and by the sounds of it, its coming soon, and not before time. If your own army starts gunning you down in the streets, you'll get the same level of symathy from me that I have got from you....you know who you are.

4 March 2009 at 14:18  
Blogger Gnostic said...

It's gratifying to see, other than mckenzie wanting to machine-gun some major taxpayers, that no one here is fomenting violent rebellion.

To Mr. Gordon Brown. Please forgive me but I must decline your invitation to the knock down, drag out summer fete you are currently organising. Martial law doesn't agree with my constitution - or any decent and sensible constitution for that matter.

4 March 2009 at 14:47  
Blogger the ink slinger said...

We noted yesterday that the army should always have in mind where its allegiances lie.

4 March 2009 at 14:55  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

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4 March 2009 at 15:05  
Anonymous The BNP ARE NOT PLANNING RIOTS said...

Stop being manipulated by Headlines, they want to Ban the BNP because the BNP wants to take us out of the EU.
They only want you to vote for Pro EU choices, the Lib Lab Cons, SNP, Plaid, English democrats, and the EU trojan horse UKIP.
what use are these Parliaments when 80% of British Laws are already made in Brussels.
Stop allowing these newspapers to shape and manipulate your reality.
80% of British Laws made in Brussels

4 March 2009 at 15:10  
Blogger Microcosm said...

The riots will be instigated by Communists funded by the Bankers, in the same way Russias Communists were funded by US Based Banking cartels.

Liebour think their traitors in uniform will establish NWO Martial Law for their Banking masters.

It will blow up in their face and when it does, there should be no end, until every last International Banker has been hunted down and convicted.

As the Israelis did with the Nazis

4 March 2009 at 15:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a thought from the far side of the Atlantic.

Aren't many of those jihadis living in your midst considered citizens too?

Aren't large numbers of them already part of your normal constabulary, and therefore at least somewhat suspect in a time of true crisis?

I do not mean to fully allay your concerns, unlike us (to date) you have been mostly disarmed and are at the mercy of the state, I merely offering a viable alternative rationale for the query.

4 March 2009 at 15:30  
Anonymous D'Artingnon said...

Most likely is: the army will sieze power and restore the Monarchy. HRM will then call in the trusted to run the country.

Quite a good idea. Eh?

4 March 2009 at 15:51  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Given the disregard and negligent treatment our armed forces have received at the hands of New Labour does anyone actually believe the army will open fire on Brenda's minions at the behest of Brown? I mean really believe?

4 March 2009 at 16:00  
Blogger Kenny said...

This country's going to the dogs; I'm beginning to seriously consider buggering off abroad.

The Frozen North

4 March 2009 at 16:30  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

Gnostic

What people want, or don't want has jack all to do with how much tax they pay. I don't particularly want to spray people with machine gun fire, but seeing the dismay when it happens could prove entertaining. You see, moaning is not an effective form of protest, and if you thought that paying a higher band of tax would somehow justify doing nothing, well, your about to have that idea rammed up your posterior crack my son.

4 March 2009 at 18:10  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

People like His Graceness have been banging on, and banging on for years and no one is listening. My main gripe is about how our Christian heritage has become worthless, but to those with money, it was never a problem.

The lower classes feel the persecution first. The people with money use it to escape and seclude themselves. But money aint going to help you now because there is non. You may have a few quid in the bank, but what sort of a joke is a bank? I will tell what the detonator will be for death on the streets shall I? When you go to the sacred hole in the wall, and it politely tells you to piss off! Computer says no! Computer is skint! Then the fun starts! Mega bucks will not deal you out anymore, because the Madhoff's of the world have made off with it all.

New Global Banking Model? You can bloody say that again!

4 March 2009 at 18:39  
Blogger Fat Man said...

Hello people! Get a clue. You have a nation living among you that hates and despises you, that has attacked you within the past couple of years, and that has a fanatical religious belief that Englishmen who do not convert to their religion are infidels who must be murdered.

Here is another clue. They call themselves m____ms.

See if you can figure it out.

4 March 2009 at 19:09  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

No Fat man, that's what they want you to think (as much as it pains me to say so). The Mossies are scratching their nuts as much as we on this one. Who among us did not at least once think that all those offers for credit, CCJ's NO problem etc, was going to end in tears? The idea that no-one saw this coming is total crap man. And to listen to people on TV spouting more crap is beyond any comprehension.

This is the deal OK. I know its wasted breath, but this time its worth it.

A worm hole has swallowed up the illusion of world trade based on the silly and greedy model that we adhered to, worshiped even. Its gone, the conjurer has put his hand in the hat for the last time. Who would have dared to speak of such a thing as a 'New Global Banking Model', unless the present one is completely tits out?

They do not have a clue where this is going at the moment, and they are dam scared that the penny is about to drop, which it will. When the much feared protectionism kicks in, it already has, but I mean big style, money will have to be pulled in from the joey and requisitioned in the interests of national shit hitting the fan situation. Well, at least this is the worse case scenario that is being measured for. And I think if we new the truth, the real truth of how volatile our situation is, well, go figure. I'm off up in the hills for the summer, whether this will be enough>???

4 March 2009 at 19:22  
Anonymous Dr Joseph Guillotine said...

Maybe THIS is what is worrying them. HA HA HA HA HA HA ! I do hope so.

4 March 2009 at 19:42  
Anonymous viva la revolution said...

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4 March 2009 at 19:56  
Blogger the doctor said...

It is just possible that some of the people can shoot back , however I pray that it never comes to a situation were Brit kills Brit .

4 March 2009 at 20:05  
Blogger Gnostic said...

mckenzie. If moaning isn't going to be sufficient to sort out this mess then why on earth are you hanging out with "Minnies" instead of manning the barricades? Surely a person of your forthright views should be leading from the front rather than snapping at heels.

Oh and by the way, my good person of unknown gender, I have a request. I'd rather you not malign my crack by way one of your cheap shots. Especially since I'm (gasp) not a bloke as you have so incorrectly assumed. What else are you wrong about I wonder? ;)

4 March 2009 at 20:41  
Anonymous It doesn't matter who they voted for...they always voted or us said...

Mr Anonymous 11.41 and other contributors.

The Met Police opened fire on a
Brazilian citizen at Stockwell Station in 2005. And got away with it.

Microcosm. You are right, bankers funded the Russian Revolution. Communism is a hoax dreamed up by the Illuminati (of whom Marx was
an agent) as a precursor for One World Government as was Facism.

4 March 2009 at 21:28  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

This is where it gets told like it is. People do not come in here to read Peter Pan stories as a way of escapism.

You are correct though, that I am not any form of psychic medium, and I do/will get things wrong 'gorgeous', but I have tried to the point of seeing the futility of it all. It is all in the hands of God, it always has been. Nothing I say will make any difference, but I sure as hell like to say it anyway.

I am serious about the job though, I will be well out of it, until the cash machine flips me the bird that is. I have no clue what to do then, panic I suppose and keep well away from people in army and police uniforms. Sorry about the cheap shot, its all about value for money though I suppose, depends what your shooting as well, Gnostic.

4 March 2009 at 21:42  
Blogger Dr.D said...

McKenzie said, "What does anyone stand to gain from civil unrest? I found the body language between Brown and Obama interesting yesterday: I would not trust the Yanks as far as I could urinate, and in this weather its not very far at all."

Just which Yanks was he referring to? Was that all, or was that our marvelous, messianic pseudo-president, BO? There is quite a bit of difference, in character and integrity, as well as in color.

4 March 2009 at 21:58  
Anonymous Sabina said...

And you Brits don't have the Constitutional right to bear arms. Good luck this summer.

4 March 2009 at 21:58  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

This is all scare mongering and hysteria.

4 March 2009 at 22:06  
OpenID BL@KBIRD said...

I know that none of you are able to see it so close your eyes and take a deep slow breath through your nose...smell that scent combination of sandalwood and 800 lb. gorilla?

You shall inshalla.

4 March 2009 at 22:14  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

I dare not expand on this beyond saying:

It is dark imaginings which exemplify grief and at the same time spook the hive.

Gordon's new arse licking behavior does not fit the profile.

No more from me.

4 March 2009 at 22:20  
Blogger Gnostic said...

mckenzie, if the hole in the wall machines ever stop dispensing our hard earned cash we'll have to be careful to not get ourselves crushed in the stampede to solve our problems the old fashioned way.

4 March 2009 at 22:26  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Four meals away from anarchy?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article492642.ece

4 March 2009 at 22:28  
Anonymous mckenzie said...

I would eat you before tea time! heh heh. If you had a son when you were 32, and it "curtailed my social life very sharply for several years", would you be about 47?

4 March 2009 at 23:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm. I'm not sure, but I think it would take something really quite drastic to get "the middle classes" out on the streets causing real civil unrest of a violent nature. After all, most of the demos in the UK which do turn nasty, usually do so due to agitation by the usual Marxist suspects (Stop The War Coalition/SWP etc).

However, having said that, I'll go so far as to say that I would not find it beyond the realms of belief to imagine that this Labour "government" might seek to deliberately engineer some sort of civil emergency, in order to (indefinitely) postpone the next general election and thus remain in power.
My God, I suddenly realise how shocking it is that I should think a British government capable/willing of such an act, but then again, New Labour is a government of a different breed to its predecessors.

4 March 2009 at 23:48  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous

Go deeper and darker.

4 March 2009 at 23:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, I have, and I am, my fellow anon. Indeed, I'm pleased to report that, now that a certain news story has (at long last!) died down in the media (a story which I believe holds a crucial key in exposing the vile blackness at the heart of this government), I am making some real progress with my fumbling, plodding research. And I have pledged to myself that this New Labour shower of cholera-infested sewage shall not be voted out before I have presented my case in full, and backed it up with evidence that can no longer be shouted down or derided as the deluded ramblings of a "conspiracy theorist", as has been the case so far.
I admit that I'm not quite there yet, but I'm making very good progress. Softly, softly, catchee monkey.

5 March 2009 at 00:20  
Anonymous not a machine said...

it would be interesting your grace if the army oversaw a vote , rather than defend the streets , that would solve the problem , democracy takes place , deeply unpopular government forced to defend its policies at the ballot box , public get chance to choose , troops administer security at polling stations , police check all postal votes .

however if civil contingencies act is enforced , it still remains that the army may decide not to follow orders , under other rules ,

looking at it he could authorise it , but if no one obeys it , goverment looks finished and if still no wish to go to the voters , then organise an election and elect a new goverment and remove the old one , could be done on collecting enough votes to prove current government could not win as valid .

risky venture for government could backfire horribly , would be nutters not to lose at ballot box or pull some other stunt , british public would be furious .

look what happened to ceaucesu one minute on the balcony with lavish life style , few days later shot dead with his wife after simple trial , dead bodies paraded , no one sorry for it !!

my marker is when a blogg on the guardian on an article witten by the primminister gets 600 posts 90% are telling him hes useless or to resign sort of shows how the mood would work against him

5 March 2009 at 02:44  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Curragh 1914 is always a good guide.

When you are down to the Army you are down to the wire. The Soviets used 200,000 troops and 2000 tanks in Czechoslovakia in 1968....Britain has neither but much bigger cities.

Very hard to do much on an island but noone said this ruling clique was rational or refined so anything is possible....even if unsuccessful

5 March 2009 at 05:26  
Blogger Gnostic said...

mckenzie, how sweet of you to shave a few years off me. I feel quite giddy. Or was it wishful thinking that I be a bit more tender than I really am before you chow down? :D

5 March 2009 at 08:52  
Anonymous Daffodil said...

In view of the fact that Muslim militancy is on the rise all over the world, I should think it's pretty obvious why the army is being prepared in Britain. It has been reported that British nationals are fighting against the British Army in Afghanistan. Recently it was also reported that Lord Ahmed said 10,000 Muslims would act to prevent a Dutch MP, Geert Wilders, from entering the House of Lords. The Daily Mail posted video on-line of police in London running away from Muslims and their supporters in London during a "peaceful" demonstration. It is also reported that the CIA call Britain an "Islamist swamp". It is only a matter of time before Britain becomes a battlefield in the global jihad.

5 March 2009 at 11:06  
Blogger DP111 said...

FIRE!

So this is what what "Global warming" forecast is about. And silly me thought it was about CO2 and AGW etc.

5 March 2009 at 12:36  
Blogger Jess The Dog said...

I'm a former RAF officer.

The story is ludicrous.

- Personnel posting decisions aren't made on the basis of whether they would shoot someone or not. The system is called the "manning plot" for the Army and it is very complex, involving regular rotations of units as well as personnel.

- The Army is overstretched and would be hard-pressed to generate troops for "martial law". Northern Ireland drawdown led to cutbacks and the troops simply aren't there. You could use RAF, RN and non combat-arm troops but they would be even less likely to obey any order to fire.

- It is assumed that all personnel will obey a legal order. In addition, there is an unwritten rule of "if an order won't be obeyed, don't issue it". Such an order would not be obeyed, at all levels from the Defence Staff downwards. In fact, it would probably lead to widespread mutiny, given the barely suppressed distrust most serving personnel have for this government.

- There is no Army unit on "home duties". Troops have to be requested through a protocol known as "military aid to the civil power" or "military aid to the civil authority" as for the fire strikes (Op Fresco). These mobilisations were extremely complex and had large planning cells and a long lead-in time. Conspirators should sit down and try to write an op order for this sort of scenario and see how far they get!

- MOD is cash strapped and effectively bankrupt. Money would have to be released through an "urgent operational requirement". I was involved in a UOR during the run-up to the Iraq War. It was delivered after the war had started.

- The Army and other services don't hold large-scale stocks of CS to my knowledge although it is used in chemical warfare training (we were exposed to it once a year in a "gas chamber" as routine training). I don't know of any weapon for its discharge that is widely issued. Likewise, chemical weapons stocks are not held.

- CS gas is of limited use in crowd control. Army would have respirators in case the wind blew the wrong way, I don't believe the police are equipped with respirators. It disperses quickly and you can avoid the worst effects through home-made precautions.

- This would be all over the internet (check out the Army Rumour Service) as it could not be kept secret. Instead, squaddies and ex-squaddies are laughing about how it might be an opportunity to shoot chavs and other "undesirables".

Although the story is ludicrous, it does point to what the national mood is - utter distrust of this government. However, as a litmus test, try the following: check out what the Armed Forces Pay Review Body recommends for a pay rise. If there is a generous pay rise in the offing (unlikely), then it might be time to don the tinfoil hat!

5 March 2009 at 13:11  
Anonymous justa- bout -had -enough said...

This report illustrates the gulf that exists between this Nulab government and the British people,also the levels of mistrust.
People have lost confidence in this government who seem to have led us into a moral, financial, and social wilderness.

5 March 2009 at 13:37  
Blogger Unsworth said...

Your Grace

The assumption here is that the Army would, in fact, follow instructions from the politicians. Having been so badly served by their political masters in recent years that may be doubtful.

In which case it will be unwise of the government to allow stocks of any weaponry of any type to be built up. But, as we can see from the failure to supply equipment generally, not providing stocks is a Ministry of Defence speciality.

5 March 2009 at 14:01  
Blogger it's either banned or compulsory said...

Fear of the "Summer Of Rage" would be why the Police, at Commander level, are being sent for training in Belfast?
That's the place where The Army are used " In Support Of The Civil Power ".

President Obamas Grandad knew all about that since he was intered as a Mau Mau suspect in colonial Kenya.

5 March 2009 at 18:33  
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5 March 2009 at 23:47  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Army has opened fire on british citizens/subjects on many occasions over the centuries, we only have to look at the disgrace which was Bloody Sunday in Londonderry for example and the many instances in Northern Ireland, of innocent civilians killed/murdered by the Army, do not kid yourself - it will happen here

7 March 2009 at 00:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As there is more evidence showing government complicity in 7/7 than not, a few more shot down by the army wouldn't make much difference.

7 March 2009 at 14:04  
Anonymous len said...

So Brown has thrown away the moral compass, bankrupted the country,made christians outlaws,
now the coupe- de- gras,
He shoots us!.

7 March 2009 at 21:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The BNP are not planning riots at all, Broxburn. If you would actually get your head out of the sand and do your own research for once then you would find that the BNP or it's members (Including me) are not interested in violence of any sort.

The press said the BNP would cause racial violence in Barking when we had 12 cllrs elected in that area, but the fact is race crime has lowered (Look at Met stats).

I can't wait to see Brown out of Downing street!

20 March 2009 at 20:08  

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