Sunday, May 24, 2009

Archbishop of Canterbury: 'Stop humiliating our MPs'

Your Grace, they have humiliated themselves.

Rowan Williams is right to observe that the controversy over MPs' expenses is ‘as grave as could be for our parliamentary democracy, and urgent action is needed to restore trust’. After more than two weeks of the Telegraph’s daily dripping of scandal, innuendo and tittle-tattle, Dr Williams asks ‘whether the point has not been adequately made’ because the ‘continuing systematic humiliation of politicians itself threatens to carry a heavy price in terms of our ability to salvage some confidence in our democracy’.

He then enters one of his usual labyrinths of obfuscational discourse, from which all but the most longsuffering politico-religionist invariably turns off, and that is not the congregation to which he must minister: he might as well be talking Panjabi in Golders Green.

On the issue of MPs’ expenses, most people do not care about ‘underlying attitudes’; they care even less about ‘a basic problem in our moral thinking’, the ‘moral defects of culture’ or the etymology of ‘integrity’. When the Archbishop talks of such things, it begins to sounds like a defence: the scurvy politicians’ mantra that ‘no rules were broken’ is simply symptomatic of a broken society. But these extravagant expense claims – from kit-kats and duck islands to champagne, caviar and entire houses – were not mistakes. Despite the plethora of pathetic protestations, they were not instances of forgetfulness or momentary aberrations. And neither were they just unfortunate manifestations of a flawed system in need of reform. They were a deliberate and systematic contrivance to suck the teat of the taxpayer and extract every last drop of ‘what’s owed to them’.

One wonders why the Archbishop is not preaching against their greed, for that sin is mentioned among those which may exclude one from the Kingdom of God (2Cor 6:9f). Doubtless some of the worst offenders make a very public display of occupying the Archbishops’ pews Sunday by Sunday, yet there is no rebuke, even for the salvation of their souls. And why has no Roman Catholic leader expressed his disappointment at the performance of the first Roman Catholic Speaker since the Reformation? And why have no Imams condemned Mohammad Sarwar or Shahid Malik, whose avarice has surely thwarted his prediction of the total Islamification of Britain and a Muslim prime minister, ‘Allah willing’, within the next thirty years?

Members of Parliament are not only supposed to be pillars of temporal society, but they are ex officio elders within their churches, synagogues, mosques and gurdwaras. They are respected for their status, their inner moral integrity; by their fruits they make disciples and evangelise them to their political cause. Yet as they have eaten meat and drunk wine and caused the weak to stumble, not one of their religious leaders has spoken of hypocrites, whited sepulchres or broods of vipers.

Instead, we get the etymology of ‘integrity’.

And a little advice (actually, a direct instruction) that we must not vote for ‘extremist’ parties on 4th June.

The Archbishops of Canterbury and York have combined their mitres in appealing to voters to exercise ‘great vigilance’ in making their decision on who to vote for. They do this as their spokesman, bizarrely, is quoted as saying 'the Church should stay out of politics’.

The Archbishops are of the view that, rather than caving in to anger, the elections present an opportunity to display higher ideals, ‘for renewing the vision of a community united by mutual respect, high ethical standards and the pursuit of justice and peace’.

They continue: “It is crucial to elect those who wish to uphold the democratic values and who wish to work for the common good in a spirit of public service, which urgently needs to be reaffirmed in these difficult days."

And which party is promising to uphold the democratic values of the EU?

It is curious advice from the archbishops and bishops of the Church of England that voters should use their EU vote ‘with care’. As the Bishop of Lichfield expresses his ‘distaste’ for any political platform that destabilised communities through ‘misinformation, scare stories and inflammatory rhetoric’, Cranmer wonders if the Rt Rev Jonathan Gledhill understands what politics is about. And if one is to reject the divisive policies and corrosive agenda of the BNP on 4th June (as one must), then a fortiori must the bishops of the Church of England exhort the faithful not to vote Labour, for their anti-Christian extremism is antithetical to the common good. It is just as subversive and every bit as destructive of the traditions and foundations of the nation. And their insidious ‘equality’ agenda also threatens to destabilise the communities in which we live, work and worship.

Perhaps the Church of England might speak simply and plainly for once. Why not just exhort the faithful to vote Conservative?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

From David Lonsdale

Your Grace,
The people have the MPs they deserve. They reflect the immorality of the nation.
The cause of our malaise can be found in the failure of our Christian leadership to articulate the the good news of the Christian gospel. They have nothing to say about Jesus but much to say about government, particularly if it does not reflect their socialist views.
If we have a brood of vipers in Westminster it is bcause we have whited sepulchres in Canterbury

24 May 2009 at 10:07  
Blogger McKenzie said...

I will try again without the extreme language, and with a more on topic approach. I am overwhelmed with excitement with seeing the ABC humiliating himself. Suddenly the church has woken up and is making its voice heard in politics about morality. But where has she been till now. A joint statement with John Sentamu today, admonishing the British people not to vote BNP. This wouldn't be the same British people who have no concept what it means to be Christian due to the active role of the church instigating 'replacement theology'.

The white working class British citizen has been utterly removed from the pews of the British Anglican church. And now at the eleventh hour these silly men in strange white frocks think they can somehow connect with the Christian conscience of people they have so badly let down and ignored for years and years.

They will be seen as repulsive. Their joint statement will be seen as arrogance, more arrogance, but this time being reinforced from the state run church. If this is not a wake up call, then nothing will wake them up.

The gross immorality of this nation is due to the complete lack of moral education that now exists. The message has become loud and clear...but its the wrong message.

Their lamps have been devoid of oil for way to long. Dont vote for the BNP, oh no, vote for the greedy corrupt MP's that have done nothing to address the concerns that have lead up to this sorry state of affairs. And where has the ABC been till now? Where have his pearls of wisdom been until now?

I cannot wait for the morning of the 5th of June. My hope..truely, is that this will be the wake up call I have long prayed for, but I will not be holding my breath: I will be holding my BNP membership card.

24 May 2009 at 10:21  
Blogger Cranmer said...

Mr McKenzie,

Please do not hold your breath on the morning of the 5th. The Euro results take four or five days to emerge, by which time you will be dead.

24 May 2009 at 10:28  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Sincere apologies for the previous language. But this is one topic that eats away at me like the most corrosive acid on the face of the earth. Pure and utter hypocrisy.

You have said it all in a more eloquent and educated fashion: I am one of the working class who feels badly let down. The fact that they have made this statement shows me the fear could work, and my BNP renewal is confirmed, my sense of mission strengthened.

Please someone tell me I am a racist fascist: this will confirm next years renewal also. If you do not by now understand what will cancel my membership, then you never will.

I feel dead already, but i think you know what I mean.

24 May 2009 at 10:31  
Blogger McKenzie said...

My message to the dynamic duo.

For many years now, Satan has been doing all the talking, where have you been?

If the church will not speak out on morality, I know someone who is ever so keen to put his ideas into the fore: SATAN

24 May 2009 at 10:41  
Blogger McKenzie said...

If you cannot look after something, then you do not deserve to have it. Do not be surprised then when you find it broken through neglect.

Less is I am that's my final say.

24 May 2009 at 10:47  
Anonymous len said...

The incomprehensible defending the intolerable.
Politicians have been stripped naked in public and their shame exposed.
The thing now is not to cover up but for politicians to remain transparent.
Organised religion is in no position to preach morality to anyone. I am a born again believer but quite frankly 'organised religion'dishonours true believers and the Body of Christ.

24 May 2009 at 10:58  
OpenID jamestheless said...

"Instead, we get the etymology of ‘integrity’."

Not so much an etymology as a rambling and poorly focused discourse, Your Grace.

His starting premise seems to be that integrity consists in doing things which make you glad to have done them because of the kind of thing that they are.

This is a rather strange definition; does a criminal display integrity because he is glad to have got away with a bank robbery?

Presumably we are meant to infer that there are good types of integrity and bad types of integrity, and that the kind of integrity one chooses reveals a lot about one's character.

Now, one would expect any Christian preacher to have a great deal to say about what is good and bad, why they are good and bad, and how we can orientate ourselves towards the good. Yet the Archbishop's article says nothing at all on this vital subject. Perhaps he assumes it can be taken as read, which shows astonishing complacency in an article intended for the general public.

The conclusion of his argument, such as it is, seems to miss the point completely:

"If we are to recover trust in our political class, we need to know something about what they're glad to do for its own sake - because, though we often forget it, this is one of the surest tests of virtue."

Surely the public believes it knows very well what MPs are glad to do for its own sake and has concluded that they have no virtue?

24 May 2009 at 10:59  
Blogger Willie said...

Your Grace.
As we used to say in the Army about inadequate officers, "he couldn't lead a troop of ducks across a fire bucket".
In the ABC's case, he would probably drown his troop on the way over for good measure. He reminds me of Tony Benn; completely well informed and yet able to draw entirely the wrong conclusions. Was he given the job purely to destroy the established Church? He is making a good fist of it, not least the Anglican communion.
I recommend a visit to south west Uganda to see the Anglican church as it should be.

24 May 2009 at 11:04  
Blogger monomakh said...

Good my Lord, may i attract your attention to this article ?
The writer is an English Orthodox presbyter.

24 May 2009 at 11:45  
Blogger Manfarang said...

"they have eaten meat and drunk wine"
A vegetarian teetotaller Parliament needed!

24 May 2009 at 12:10  
Blogger Gnostic said...

The Anglican Church is the woolly sock of the leftist body politic. If I wanted advice on how I should cast a vote I would not consult the human equivalent of NuLab hosiery.

24 May 2009 at 12:35  
Blogger Red Squirrel said...

Your Grace,
I shall be praying for the BNP to win.
One of my Marxist critics said,of me, I quote:
"Her love of nature is plainly inexplicable "
Certain members of the clergy are playing into the hands of Marxism, Mammon and Islam.

24 May 2009 at 12:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In February the Church's general synod voted overwhelmingly in favour of measures to stop clergy joining the BNP.

Hilarious!! So they are queuing up to join are they?

24 May 2009 at 12:48  
Anonymous not a machine said...

As I have listend to this story unfold , I realised that Rowan Williams and John Sentemu are either risking the church or worried that christians may make an error.

what I am concerned about is if the church is about to realise that the Bible can be seen in revolutionary light , what it intends to do. Why is it not preparing a team to be put up for election ???.

If the church of england is to become a website and portal for spiritual enquiry with a political wing , perhaps it can spout that politics is god , he has however left a rather impossible gap , should a voter not vote UKIP as some of there MEPs have commited fraud , what should a parishoner do if there MP or MEP is athiest.

There are questions about modernity , value of christianity and no addressing of the problems within Islam.

If the Arch Bishop sees the church as being a faith like any of the others , he is gambling the church in a sort of derivatives market .

Most people are encountering the eradication of christianity from there daily lives to be displaced with the emotions of consumerism and marketing. It is being removed from schools , there is trendy revolt in higher education , the electric guitar and drum kit are finishing off the structures of service , things are casual , comfortable , lite and undemanding .

The church will one day have to realise why it has lost its essential teachings and values in that the modern secular structures and beliefs are doing society harm , if it is waiting for politics to enoble it , it will be dissapointed , for politicians depend upon the secular society for there livelyhood .

i think he the church needs to defeat the secularists before it rushes into the voting preference business, perhaps the political parties will then make there necessary declarations as to there belief in God

24 May 2009 at 12:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If only 'nutters' do God, then who in their right mind should take the advice of these two 'nutters' about who to vote for.

24 May 2009 at 14:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What would Tony Blair have to say about all this? Oh, wait a minute, he is an official 'nutter' now isn't he.

24 May 2009 at 14:11  
Anonymous Jack Crosby said...

In a similar way to how MP's have lost moral authority by squandering tax payers money, the Church has lost her moral authority by squandering the Christian testimony that we are all sinners and there is only one way to salvation...and this is NOT through political voting.

24 May 2009 at 14:16  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Your Grace believes that 'Shahid Malik's avarice...has surely thwarted his prediction of the total Islamification of Britain'.

No, Your Grace. The Islamification of Britain is still on course. How could it not be, when Muslims are producing more children than the rest of us?

What I cannot understand is why Williams and Sentamu (and all the other godforsaken leaders of the Church of England) should attack the one party that is determined to stop the Islamification of Britain and keep us a Christian nation.

Christ has already been betrayed once. Will somebody please explain to me why the Church of England is betraying Him all over again?

24 May 2009 at 14:20  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

Yes Vote for those that have led us to illegal War(s), in which 1.2 Million Iraqi's have lost their lives, sent troops into battle with inadequate equipment and funding, while we send Billions in overseas Aid, sold off our Gold ( even announcing it to drop the Price for the lucky buyer )and Industries, decimated our Farming with Foot and mouth ( now KNOWN to have come from a Govt Lab )
But please, whatever you do, don't vote for someone who said he believes Islam is a Wicked Faith.

I think some people need get their Priorities right and finally come to their senses and ask, what is being British all about and how long will it last if we continue down our current path, following the Arch Druid / Jihadist, Mr williams.

He's leading the British people to Hell.

24 May 2009 at 14:38  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

He's only saying this because the alternative is to be sent to a Mental Institution.
Tell me again what country we are living in.

24 May 2009 at 14:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Archbishop's expenses anyone?

24 May 2009 at 14:55  
Anonymous Anon2 said...


It certainly wont show an over indulgence in soap and razors.

24 May 2009 at 15:03  
Anonymous Maturecheese said...

The church really should keep out of politics and telling us not to vote for one party or another is plainly wrong. As for your Grace's wish for us to vote conservative and avoid the BNP, when the Conservative party address Immigration,The EU,Crime, political correctness, ridiculous and corrosive targets in our public services, to name but a few issues, they might get our votes. Until this happens mine is going to the BNP.

What I have just stated though depends on weather we, the electorate, believe that we can trust them not to make token gestures towards cleaning up their act and then go back to business as usual.

24 May 2009 at 15:04  
Anonymous Jack Crosby said...

Somebody asked what Tony Blair would think of all this. Well, he seems to have taken his new Catholic faith on board to the max. He has proved a loyal sower of seeds by not going against the papal decree with regards to contraception.

Peter Foster - "Tony Blair's the daddy"

24 May 2009 at 15:11  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Adrian P.

There aren't enough mental hospitals or prisons to lock us all up. :D

But I would like to know that the hell the Opposition was doing allowing the likes the Fixated Threat Assessment Centre to become legal.

24 May 2009 at 15:33  
Blogger Theo said...

Wouldn't it be a little more appropriate if ABC preached the gospel of repentance and repeated some of the warnings of the OT prophets to a nation sinking in the mire of its own filth. Many of the warnings given in the OT surely apply to Britain today - this once great nation, made great when its leaders looked to the Almighty for guidance, is now in danger of God turning His back on us. Is not part of spiritual leadership of a nation a ministry of warning the nation that God will not be mocked and that its leaders are morally responsible for upholding God's law?

ABC offering is a bit like Elijah saying "Don't be too hard on Ahab, he's having a bad time with his wife and we don't want him to get too upset, do we?"

The Church of England should be the watchman of the nation not the comforter of those who do evil.

The words of Jeremiah seem particularly apt at this time

“Israel is like a thief
who feels shame only when he gets caught.
They, their kings, officials, priests, and prophets—
all are alike in this.
Jer 2:26 (NLT)

24 May 2009 at 16:42  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Your Grace

If people dont vote, then the politicians will just blame it on apathy, east enders or the like.

If enough people spoil their vote, politicans may, just may sit up and take notice.

I shall spoil my vote at the euroelections and write something like the following.

"No to the eurogravy train!"

Mind you, if there's a monster looney candidate I might vote for him/her

24 May 2009 at 16:58  
Blogger Demetrius said...

Personally I am all for an older approach, an Auto de fé would have the right sort of impact. It would also be popular with most people, I think. The exceptions are the environmentalists more concerned with the levels of pollution that burning so many politicians would cause.

24 May 2009 at 17:14  
Blogger Dr.D said...

No doubt about it; time to vote BNP!!

24 May 2009 at 19:11  
Anonymous Roberta Sparrow said...

Everything in the universe is God's will.

24 May 2009 at 20:34  
Blogger Theo said...


Please explain - does this mean that man's disobedience and sinfulness falls into His will?

This would mean that He is demanding repentance for something that's His will.

24 May 2009 at 21:04  
Anonymous Roberta Sparrow said...

Its not for me to explain God's will.

The best I can do comes in one word; 'IS'

Everything in the universe 'IS'.

24 May 2009 at 21:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


24 May 2009 at 21:30  
Anonymous Time Magazine said...

Friedrich Nietzsche 'IS' dead.

24 May 2009 at 21:55  
OpenID jamestheless said...


It is God's will that humans have free will. There is nothing to stop us turning our backs on Him and doing things that He does not want us to do.

To stop sinning, we have to turn round and face God again, in other words to repent.

Repentance is therefore not an unfair demand from God but something that is essential to get our relationship with Him back to what it should be.

24 May 2009 at 22:19  
Anonymous Pazuzu said...

Not even your head can send me away!

24 May 2009 at 22:23  
Blogger Theo said...


Whilst I totally agree with you you really ought to read what I posted properly. I was challenging Roberta's assertion that everything is God's will. I shall forgive your lack attention to this small detail.

I must say, however, that I am at a total loss to comprehend Roberta's reply. Sorry, I am now bored so I'll fini.....

24 May 2009 at 22:28  
Anonymous Roberta Sparrow said...


I got half way through an answer and got bored myself. Who cares?

24 May 2009 at 22:34  
Anonymous Mocker said...

These are sad times Cranmer. Its a 'disaster to have such a distraction.

24 May 2009 at 22:42  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The Church of England has become a branch of the Home Office - a sort of Bureau of Religious Affairs to represent the minority faiths of the UK to the regime. It no longer believes in a Risen Christ nor in a world to come.

It is no longer Calvinist so it is inherently aligned with the Zeitgeist and prelates who are like the Sadduccees of old more interested in social standing and comforts than in asceticism or warning of "the primrose path of dalliance". As a result it is effete.

The political "intervention" in one BBC bulletin, "interference" in another - sounds effete and simply carrying out instructions from The Home Office no doubt the fax arrived simultaneously at various mass-communication outlets so the message could be proclaimed.

The Anglican Church seemingly has no problem with the past 12 years - it certainly did not urge people to boycott Labour in 2005....nor has it urged a referendum on the EU.

It is simply another cipher for the regime - after all Rowan Williams an Affirming Catholic was appointed by Tony Blair Scottish Crypto-Catholic and John Sentamu, Barrister, by Gordon Brown, Scottish Crypto-Marxist

25 May 2009 at 04:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ABC Rowan Williams reminds me of Lt. Col. Nicholson from the 'Bridge on the River Kwai'.

He loses all perspective and collaborates with the enemy until the very end when he reaches an epiphany as to the damage he's really done.

Ditto for ABC Williams.

25 May 2009 at 06:59  
OpenID jamestheless said...

Sorry, theo.

In fact, it was Roberta's post that I misread - I thought she said that everything in the Universe is willed by God.

It seems that she is in fact some kind of pantheist.

Only God 'IS' - everything in the Universe was made by Him. (See Exodus 3.14, John 1.3)

25 May 2009 at 07:39  
Blogger Andromeda said...

The irony is that the BNP have more in common with the Muslims than they like to think, but Muslims are mostly brown. Oh dear!

The only reason the BNP wish to ally themselves with the Church is only to give themselves a moral respectability.

Yet the Anglican Church is infamous for its tolerance of immorality, eg homosexual priests, multiculturalism, uncontrolled immigration etc.

As for intellectual respectability, Creationism is a retrograde step many BNP activists are prepared to support, simply because it is a Christian and white preoccupation.

The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible is a phrase that comes to mind ...

25 May 2009 at 07:46  
Anonymous Voyager said...

the Prophet Muhammad sought to improve Christianity by rejecting the Trinity and articulating with greater clarity and detail what we must do in order to get along with others IN THIS LIFE,Andromeda

* Gender: Female
* Astrological Sign: Cancer

Compare and Contrast:

Koran authorship

25 May 2009 at 08:25  
Blogger ZZMike said...

I submit that you cannot humiliate a scoundrel.

I am completely befuddled by his closing comment:

"It would be a tragedy if our present troubles spelt the end of any confidence that politics and public service could and should be a calling worthy of the most generous instincts."

In this country we hold "public opinion polls", in which we try to measure the public's appreciation - or lack of - for the President, and for Congress.

While there's probably as much art as science in these affairs, it's become obvious that our approval of our Congress has reached profound levels. As in "profundus".

Do you do that over there? Are people happy with your MPs?

Roberta: There's something to be said for "Everything in the universe is God's will". One conclusion we might derive from this is that we need do nothing - nothing at all, about anything.

Is that how we should act?

25 May 2009 at 08:31  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Are people happy with your MPs? Not at all. However the Us Congressman is far more responsive to constituents than an MP who has 5 years tenure and is virtually secure given Party Membership.

Party is far more cohesive and suffocating than in the USA. Here Colin Powell would be defrocked and lose all sinecures for disloyalty and find his career path seriously hampered.

Apart from banks and GM business in the USA is not quite as dependent on the public teat as in Britain where few global businesses exist and banking was a much much higher proportion of GDP than in the USA or even Switzerland.

Britain is an island - a fact which too many media types forget - and it is little more than Jersey - an island run by an oligarchy to serve Finance with a disdain for the Demos which is viewed as the Sans Culottes

25 May 2009 at 09:04  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

Can anyone tell me what Rowan Williams stands for? My impression is that he doesn't stand for Jesus since he speaks more favourably about islam. And I conclude that he therefore prefers the koran to the Bible. He doesn't care for the general public, since he is more concerned about the MPs. He has never expressed opposition to any of the changes, that have been imposed on the country over the past 12 years and which are doing terrible things to us as a nation. So what does he stand for? I conclude that he is part of the movement which is actively working to destroy England. I believe he is a communist infiltrator and therefore the wickedest of people. A traitor to everything that we hold to be good and which enabled him to become what he is. He is enough to turn people away from Christianity. But perhaps that is precisely the plan. Well, whether he likes it or not, there are a lot of people in the country who will be voting for the BNP in June. And yes, it is ironic that a party which has a strong Christian foundation is being persecuted by the very church the BNP wishes to preserve and strengthen, so it can actually fight our real enemies - islam and socialism.

25 May 2009 at 09:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The day the General Synod banned clergy and lay people from being members of the British National Party was the day I stopped going to my C of E church every Sunday and also the day I stopped giving tens of pounds a week to the C of E and started donating the money saved to the British National Party.

Why not, if the C of E wants to ‘do politics’, could they at least have applied some ‘equality’ and banned membership of all political parties? Yesterday’s commandments from the ABC and ABY only confirm that the C of E is not so much the established church but the establishment’s church.

25 May 2009 at 09:39  
Anonymous len said...

The problem is that the present 'church' has compromised too much with the world- system .
Constantine represented the ultimate in compromise and corruption. He simultaneously institutionalized,paganized, and politicized Christianity into a religion called the " church". Not surprisingly the Roman Catholic church canonized him as a saint.
The Protestant church is just as guilty as politicizing the Kingdom of God with an unholy alliance between church and state.

25 May 2009 at 11:14  
Anonymous Matt Showering said...

When bishops make a point of criticising the Government, the immortal words of Henry II usually surface: "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

Now, however, with the Archbishop of Canterbury trying to shield the Government from legitimate scrutiny, I wouldn't put it past Gordon Brown to offer Dr Williams the post of Lord Chancellor (well Justice Secretary really) in the forthcoming cabinet reshuffle, as Jack Straw is lightly-tipped to be moved. That would be a classic reversal of the Thomas Becket story, as he was moved from being Lord Chancellor to Archbishop of Canterbury.

25 May 2009 at 11:34  
Blogger Theo said...

Does globalisation and uncontrolled immigration fly in the face of what God did in destroying the tower of Babel?

What did Paul mean when he said:
From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
Acts 17:26 (ANIV)?

Is the BNP right when it rails against the mixing of nationals and the blurring of national boundaries?

25 May 2009 at 11:57  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

Yes we should stop humiliating our MP's, Ethnics minorities, the EU, we should instead all turn our attention, hatred, military, and police state powers against those Evil British People.

25 May 2009 at 15:17  
Blogger Theo said...

Sorry Adrian P but I thought that was already government policy.

25 May 2009 at 15:51  
Blogger Dave said...

Williams was appointed by Blair so that makes him a Nulab stooge.

he's a nonentity in a funny hat

25 May 2009 at 18:46  

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