Saturday, May 09, 2009

Queen’s Trinity Cross honour deemed unlawful because it offends non-Christians

Cranmer is weary – although he be but ashes – and bears his burden of suffering Job-like. He is in black dog mode, depressed at the preponderance of corruption in high places, and sick at heart with the systematic eradication of the Christian culture of the United Kingdom.

It is one thing for a television soap opera to insist that crosses be removed from churches; or for street preachers to be arrested for ‘incitement’; or for ordinary Christians to lose their jobs for daring to articulate their traditional beliefs. But to hear that Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council – one of the most ancient and principal councils of the Sovereign – has decreed one of Her Majesty’s honours to be illegal because of its Christian association beggars belief. It is as of the Council itself is seeking to undermine the Sovereign, for she swore at her Coronation to uphold the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law, and swore to govern her people according to their laws and customs.

And those laws and customs are Christian.

So when an honour for service and gallantry which was instituted and established by Her Majesty is criticised by Muslims and Hindus on the grounds that ‘its Christian name and cross insignia are offensive’, it becomes evident that an unacceptable threshold has been crossed. This may be in Trininad and Tobago, but the implications will reverberate around all of Her Majesty’s dominions. For if this honour be unconstitutional because it discriminates against non-Christians, then so must the Victoria Cross, and the George Cross, and God alone knows where this leaves the flag of St George.

Apparently, according to five Law Lords of the Privy Council, the honour ‘breaches the right to equality and the right to freedom of conscience and belief’. Lord Hope of Craighead said that the Trinity Cross was ‘perceived by Hindus and Muslims living in Trinidad and Tobago as an overtly Christian symbol both in name and in substance’. This is unconstitutional, and therefore must be abolished.

This decision can only lead to the eradication of all Christian symbols from the public arena, not to mention saints’ days and schools or hospitals with ‘Trinity’ in their names, or towns with ‘cross’ in theirs. Ride a cock horse to Banbury Crescent doesn’t quite scan, and there is certainly no consonance with ‘horse’, but that is precisely the sort of absurd development this decision heralds.

The cross insignia is becoming illegal. This insidious agenda is destroying almost two millennia of British Christian history. Cleansing the nation of its Christian references in order to placate the non-believers is a quest which can have no logical end until Christendom be expunged altogether.

Perhaps Her Majesty might protest? Or the Archbishop of Canterbury? Or the BBC? Or the Prime Minister?

Ah, no. For the onslaught is against the faith which dare not be expressed.


Blogger chris r said...

Of course our Oxford colleges would have to go too: St Antony's, St Benet's, St Catherine's, St Cross, St Peter's ..... And how about renaming a few: Corpus Mohammedi; BlackImam's; Mohammed's Mosque

9 May 2009 at 09:44  
Blogger Gnostic said...

And the reason why we shouldn't rise up and slaughter them all is...?

9 May 2009 at 09:49  
Anonymous Robin Ward said...

Presumably this is also a bit of a problem when the country itself is called Trinidad?

9 May 2009 at 10:15  
Blogger Manfarang said...

How can this undermine the Sovereign in a country(Trinidad and Tobago) which is a republic?
How can the Judicial Committee Of the Privy Council set a precedent of something being against the constitution when the UK unlike Trinidad and Tobago does not have a written constitution?

9 May 2009 at 10:39  
Blogger McKenzie said...

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9 May 2009 at 10:51  
Blogger Manfarang said...

I thought for a second you were referring to Trinidad and Tobago which has a lot of ethnic groups (and some Anglicans!).
I commemorate VJ Day myself.

9 May 2009 at 11:27  
OpenID jamestheless said...

It is as of the Council itself is seeking to undermine the Sovereign, for she swore at her Coronation to uphold the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law, and swore to govern her people according to their laws and customs.Given the following statistics, Your Grace, it is unlikely that the "laws and customs" of Trinidad and Tobago would reflect mainstream Anglicanism.
Approximately 40 percent of the population is of African descent and 40 percent of East Indian descent. The balance is mostly of European, Syrian, Lebanese, Chinese, or mixed descent.

According to the latest unofficial estimates (2006), 26 percent of the population is Roman Catholic, 24.6 percent Protestant (including 7.8 percent Anglican, 6.8 percent Pentecostal, 4 percent Seventh-day Adventist, 3.3 percent Presbyterian or Congregational, 1.8 percent Baptist, and 0.9 percent Methodist), 22.5 percent Hindu, and 5.8 percent Muslim. A small number of individuals are members of Jehovah's Witnesses, 1.6 percent, and traditional Caribbean religious groups with African roots, such as the Spiritual Baptists (sometimes called Shouter Baptists), 5.4 percent, and the Orisha, 0.1 percent. Those listed as "other" account for 10.7 percent, which includes numerous small Christian groups as well as Baha'is, Rastafarians, Buddhists, and a very small number of Jews.
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9 May 2009 at 12:10  
Blogger Christian said...

Thanks for that Cramner... I was in a good mood this morning...

9 May 2009 at 12:23  
Blogger Microcosm said...

I would not say our customs are christian your Grace, some very peculiar customs may exist throughout these Isles that are intrinsic to certain locals.

Many of which harken to our Pagan past that the Church and State has trodden under foot.

In this multi-cult age its worth remembering that those who come to Britain have Cultures that go back hundreds if not thousands of years, why Britain has a hidden suppressed culture and customs, ridden rough shod over for just as long.

Where are the maypoles?
Where are the Morris Dancers?

Don't defend the branches if you care not for your roots.

9 May 2009 at 12:25  
OpenID jamestheless said...

And "clownes" is an appropriate word for blogger's programmers. What is the point of having a preview function if the previewed post looks nothing like the published version? To say nothing of having to enter one's identity on every new post, or prove one's human nature on both the preview and the post? These things are sent to try us, Your Grace, and I apologise for the mangling of my earlier post.

Returning to the subject, there is some background here, while this report features a quotation from the designer of the medal:

Yesterday in a letter to the Editor, Wilhelmina McDowell Benjamin, who was instrumental in designing the cross, said “Christianity or religion never entered my mind” when she did the design. “If it did I never would have made a cross like that. Therefore discrimination was in no way a consideration. I thought anyone would feel proud to wear a medal like that,” she said.

Benjamin, who was a former Librarian with the Central Library Services at the time the Trinity Cross was designed in the early 1960s stated that she researched the matter thoroughly “mindful of the words ‘ every creed and race find an equal place’.

“When it came to the ‘cross’, I checked the definition and discovered there were very many meanings. One meaning stood out, that of ‘an ornament in some form of a cross worn for as a distinction by knights of various orders and by persons honoured for exceptional merit or bravery’. This was the definition in my mind when I did the design,” Mc Dowell Benjamin said.

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9 May 2009 at 12:26  
Anonymous Richmond Hill said...

I believe in general the PC goes along with what it percieves to be the wishes of the particular territory that has brought the issue to its attention. (I speak as a Channel Islander). To this extent the problem lies in Trinidad & Tobago.

However, from what I have seen of the background to this and the article referred to in the above post, the PC members involved here have been both stupid and gutless.

Has anybody got the devine Joanna Lumley's phone number!

9 May 2009 at 12:42  
Anonymous len said...

Cleansing the world of the Cross of Jesus Christ is a satanic agenda, why?
Because satan knows the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the wisdom of God and the Power of God, and the way of the Cross is the only way to salvation, and satan want to close that door.
If I was an unbeliever I would ask myself why is satan ( who opposes God) only concerned with christianity?

Keep up your spirits your Grace, the light which is Jesus Christ will shine all the brighter as this world darkens!

9 May 2009 at 12:44  
Blogger Chrysippus said...

I note that amongst many honours, Prince Charles has received the 'Grand Cross of the Order of King Abdul Aziz' from the Saudis in 1987. It would appear that our Mohammeden brothers do not suffer from the P.C. crap that the Privy Council thinks they do.

9 May 2009 at 13:02  
Blogger King Athelstan said...

And when they have taken away from us all that made us what we are, that made us so tolerant of others, that made us compassionate and generous. Why the F**k should we tolerate any more.

9 May 2009 at 13:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We can all laugh at this latest evidence of idiocy by simple-minded liberals, but it bespeaks of a tendency present in the West. Liberals continue to hate their own culture and belief system more than that of Islam, and so are repeatedly subordinating our traditions to Muslim sensitivities.

It is appalling and apparently unstoppable. We are losing, my friends, and one day we will find that our political institutions and basic freedoms will have all been compromised by a desire to "integrate" Muslims. I hope that I do not live so long.

I sometime wonder what the outcome of the Second World War would have been had we had the same people in charge then as we do today. Perhaps we would already be living in a totalitarian paradise, instead of waiting for Allah's.

9 May 2009 at 13:42  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Anony 13:42
Are you sure you are not the simple minded one.This was a legal decision made by the Law Lords.I have no doubt that they have decided correctly on the basis of the law in Trinidad and Tobago.
There are few territories now that use the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council as a court of final appeal.
I wonder why there are OBEs,now there is no more British Empire.I doubt whether the Queen confers many honours to people who are living in Trinidad and Tobago anyway.Maybe a few people on the overseas list.

9 May 2009 at 14:32  
Blogger 13th Spitfire said...


68 of these orders have been issued since 1960 and its institution.

It ranks below the George Cross. It is a very very high honour to receive one of these. And as you can see from the numbers the queen has in fact been handing out 68 of these, to people in Trinidad and Tobago, for nearly 50 years.

Do your history before flaunting prejudicial about the Queen. While you may not respect the monarchy some of us still do.

9 May 2009 at 15:38  
Anonymous Philip said...

Perhaps Her Majesty might protest? Or the Archbishop of Canterbury? Or the BBC? Or the Prime Minister?"

Her Maj? One can only hope she'll have a private word with someone.

The ABC? No, he's too busy trying to get parts of Sharia law adopted

The BBC? No doubt this suggestion was with tongue in cheek!! They'd be rejoicing and wholeheartedly supporting anything that would aid the eradication of our Christian culture.

The PM? Even if his 'moral compass' creaked into life and gave an indication of what he should do, he'd be constrained by the requirements of the vehemently anti-Christian Labour Party.

9 May 2009 at 16:50  
Blogger Dr.D said...

When will the Queen wake up and live up to her coronation oath as a Christian monarch? She has failed sadly, and in so doing has let the people of the UK down in the worst way. She could put a stop to much of this foolishness if only she would assert herself.

9 May 2009 at 16:52  
OpenID jamestheless said...


wikipedia has some information on the Trinity Cross, including links to a list of recipients (not many recent ones - the list is dated 1998 but goes up to 2002) and the judgment of the Trinidad High Court. Incidentally, the Judge who found that it was discriminatory is an ordained Presbyterian minister.

Anonymous 13:42, although Muslims were involved in the legal action, from what I have read Hindus were the main driving force behind it. This seems part of a broader rivalry between Trinidadians of African and Indian extraction.

9 May 2009 at 17:00  
Anonymous not a machine said...

On brighter note your grace , the pontiff is to visit the river jordan . He is a pilgrim seeking peace !!

as for the post , it obviously the thin end of the wedge or perhaps even the thicker end of it , the 5th columists seem to think its there duty to undermine the faith from as many possible angles.

i am wary of making christianity seem like a political appeal , non state church is not a world that would seem happy to me , national athiesism is the faith of micro laws and survelliance and lacks commitment to the greater good.

perhaps we are reaching a stage where we are having a long hard look at christianity , but from what i see most people think you should be taught it , but free to choose , it clearly does not work the other way round .

i can see people are not sure about why we put the church where we do in the order of things , but what people dont realise is the terrible alternative of being unbound and what it opens the door to .

labour may indeed wish for people to adopt dawkonianism , but do make any coherent case for the con seqences . Rowan Williams is no fool and he must have thought a lot about this athiest point , which is weaking our nation.

it still boils down to do you believe "christ died and was ressurected"

i am quite sure God will provide the answers and way at the appointed time

9 May 2009 at 18:07  
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9 May 2009 at 19:18  
Anonymous len said...

We may be returning full circle to the Book of Acts.
You would have thought that the horrendous persecution of the early church of Jesus Christ would have chilled the effect it was able to have on the first century world.
Beginning in Jerusalem, threats , beatings, and arrests had finally given way to murder as stephen was stoned to death for his faith in Jesus. It was decided in high places to stamp out the church then and there, but it was also decided in the Highest of High places not to allow that to happen!
When the early christians were filled with the Holy Spirit they preached the Word of God with boldness, we christians should do the same!

9 May 2009 at 19:52  
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9 May 2009 at 19:59  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Your Grace

I agree with Dr D. The Queen is the defender of The Faith (not as her son think all faiths). So let her stamp her foot and do some Faith defending!

Manfarang: you will be surprised as I was to find that the idea of empire has prevailed for many centuries in this country, since Saxon times, I believe. The word 'Empire' does not necessarily mean suzerainity of many countries. Recall that the Head of State of Japan is called an Emperor.

So our small island is an empire and OBE's etc are accurate.

9 May 2009 at 20:22  
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9 May 2009 at 20:28  
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9 May 2009 at 20:36  
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9 May 2009 at 20:47  
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9 May 2009 at 22:51  
Anonymous len said...

When the enemy comes in like a flood, The Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him! (Isaiah 59:19)
Hallelujah !!!

9 May 2009 at 23:35  
Anonymous len said...

"Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a cloud of witnesses, let us throw of everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles,and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. Let us fix our eyes on Jesus , the author and the perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider Him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you do not grow weary and lose heart"( Hebrews 12 :1)

9 May 2009 at 23:47  
Blogger Manfarang said...


I say Formosa, Korea, and Manchuria to you.

10 May 2009 at 08:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aren't we at risk of getting ourselves a bit worked up here? The Privy Council is acting here as the highest appeal court - effectively, the House of Lords - for Trinidad and Tobago, not the United Kingdom and is applying the laws of Trinidad and Tobago. If this award offends against those laws, it's not really open to the Privy Council to do anything other than what they have done. In any case, as has been pointed out, Muslims and Hindus will still have to put up with living in a country called Trinidad, for a while longer anyway!

10 May 2009 at 10:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps Her Majesty might protest?

''Her majesty is a pretty nice girl but she doesn't have a lot to say...''

10 May 2009 at 18:28  
Anonymous Robert Catesby said...

Robert Ward above tried to point out the inconsistency of this affair. Have these non-Christians attempted to change the name of the island of Trinidad, Trinity in Spanish. Surely it must be anathema for them to live on a land named after the Christian concept of God.
They were always at liberty to reject the medal.
Have we really similarly insulted all those brave Gurkhas with the high number of Victoria Crosses they have so costly won. I don't think so.
When will the use of words like cafe or banana be thought of as rascist acts?
Forgive me Your Grace but in the words of the street "PC" can have only one true meaning: "Pure Crap"

10 May 2009 at 19:27  
Anonymous churchmouse said...

Pity said Moslems and Hindus went there in the first place, really. Presumably they've done well enough to go back to subcontinental type places, and be among their own kind ----

10 May 2009 at 20:09  
Blogger Ayrdale said...

HRH, Defender of the faith ?


An opportunity here for The Queen, and particularly Charles, to defend something other than organic farming and green scaremongering, and in the process help his beleagured country.

11 May 2009 at 05:23  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Trinidad and Tobago ? Independent 1962 and broke links with Monarchy 1976.

Tell them to get lost and take the Privy Council with them - it sent us to Iraq with Order in Council

11 May 2009 at 06:19  
Blogger ZZMike said...

We here in the USA have our own problems. We have dozens of cities names after Catholic saints (Santa Barbara, CA, for one); a city named Los Angeles, whose original name was "El Pueblo de la Reina de Los Angeles" (The City of the Queen of the Angels); another city named Corpus Christi, ...

As the eradication of Christianity progresses over here, we'll have a lot of renaming to to. Maybe they'll change "Los Angeles" to "Obamaville", or following the Russian custom, "St Obamaburg".

Some of you raised the point that this is only Trinidad & Tobago, after all, so what's the worry.

I refer you to a certan quote by Martin Niemoller. Public workers are already barred from wearing Cross of St George pins.

"Quousque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? quem ad finem sese effrenata iactabit audacia?"

How long will the English put up with this? What will it take for you to wake up? Are you waiting for sharia law to be imposed?

11 May 2009 at 19:22  

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