Tuesday, June 16, 2009

David Cameron offends the politically-correct Reich



Anyone would think he had endorsed the BNP or advocated paederasty. All he did was express a little humour - you remember, that quality of being amusing, the ability to take a joke, the capacity to communicate the comic, ironic or witty.

But the moment he says, 'Ver are yur papers?' in a mock German accent, with clear historic context which his audience appreciated, the humourless politically-correct police are mobilised to curse and condemn.

Appalling gaffe - racist, xenophobic, bigoted, etc., etc.

Zis ees absolutly appalink. Vatever happent to ze Briteesh sense of humur?

God has a sense of humour. After all, He made Gordon Brown in His image.

And the Old Testament is riddled with humour, Hebrew jokes and amusing puns.

Are politicians supposed to be devoid of humour? Has politics become the arid pursuit of the obsessively puritanical and the tediously sober?

Cranmer only wonders what self-censorship there is within David Cameron which would doubtless draw the line at impersonating a Pakistani accent.

46 Comments:

Anonymous Maturecheese said...

As I posted on the mail comments, why has this even been reported or become a story. Surely there are more important events to cover than this, its laughable(oops, pardon the pun)

16 June 2009 at 15:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, for crying out loud. What's wrong with these people? Have any Germans complained about this "gaffe" ...errr... joke? Nah, didn't think so.
I'm German and didn't find this offensive at all. It was a joke, lighthearted remark.
Unless of course Mr Cameron wishes to inform that this was indeed intended to be a xenophobic remark. Then I will take offensive.

16 June 2009 at 15:23  
Anonymous Maturecheese said...

Two more points, if Dave had used a Pakistani accent he would probably have to resign such would be the outcry, pathetic I know.

The other point was, speaking of Pakistani, I read the other day or heard on the radio, that the Stan part of these eastern countries means 'people of' or 'Land of' so doesn't that legitimise the description 'Paki'. Land of Paki, Land of Uzbeck etc. If not then isn't 'Brit' just as offensive?

16 June 2009 at 15:30  
Blogger Colonel Smedley said...

Presumably the same people criticising Cameron would be in favour of banning Allo Allo and Fawlty Towers.

German friends of mine say that they love both of these series.

The news today should be about our loon of a PMs new lie about 'massive Tory cuts'.

16 June 2009 at 15:39  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

The people find Cameron’s mock German accent funny because of the historical connection: German fascism.

Except for BBC executives, who has not seen the movie The Great Escape?

The criticism directed at Cameron reveals more about the Left-liberal than it does about Cameron and the overwhelming majority of British people who found the use of humour to bring into sharp relief the implications of carrying an ID card.

I believe that the criticism reveals three things about the Left-liberal: the desperation to paint the Tory Party as the nasty party; to revise this country’s history; to amend culture for closer intergration into the EU.

One thing is for sure. The criticism will backfire: the people associate ID cards with German fascism and Soviet communism. That is a lose-lose for Bristish socialism.

16 June 2009 at 15:57  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Well I found it funny. So sue me.

Heh heh

16 June 2009 at 16:15  
Blogger peter_dtm said...

the only thing that makes the loony left laugh :

it is what they do on the way to the bank with OUR money; and they laugh all the bloody way too !

16 June 2009 at 16:20  
Anonymous Chris said...

@maturecheese: It's all about context. IIRC the 'paki-' in Pakistan means 'pure' or 'righteous' in Urdu. Try telling that to the archetypal skinhead ranting on about "Fookin' Pakis" though...

As to David Cameron and "Papieren Bitte"-gate. I presume the BBC will stop taking revenues from the syndication of "Fawlty Towers" in protest? No?

16 June 2009 at 16:34  
Anonymous Puritan Preacher said...

Herr Cameron. Fur zat phunny yoke u r on ze list!

16 June 2009 at 16:53  
Blogger ZZMike said...

Would it have been less distasteful to the always-offended if he'd said that in a straight voice?

Of course not. His whole point was, let's not turn into 1940s Germany. Or 1950s Russia. Or 1960s China. ...

Unfortunately, mandatory ID cards seem to be a requisite for socialist countries.

D. Singh: excellent point: "...the people associate ID cards with German fascism and Soviet communism."

Chris: "IIRC the 'paki-' in Pakistan means 'pure' or 'righteous' in Urdu."

That could well be. Urdu is the language of Pakistan. But the name "Pakistan" comes from "... the five Northern Units of British Raj — Punjab, Afghania (also known as North-West Frontier Province), Kashmir, Sindh, and Balochistan." 'stan' is a suffix meaning "country".

16 June 2009 at 16:55  
Blogger McKenzie said...

You have to be very careful about what you say here when making Nazi jibes in relation to ID cards.

ID cards are indeed compulsory in Germany now. When I was in the RAF and stationed in Germany, I got drunk in Bielefeld and missed the last train back to camp. I fell asleep on the station, only to be prodded awake by two officers of the Polizei demanding such ID in the aforementioned German accent. Well, actually they just kept blurting out 'Housveiss' (dodgy spelling) which I think means House Pass. It is compulsory for all service personnel to carry their ID cards anyway, and once shown I was removed from the station: "no sleeping on ze station". Nazis!

16 June 2009 at 17:05  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

Yes and talking about the Old Testament being riddled with humour
How about the one where God commanded Abraham to murder his son but called it off at the last minute....now there's a joke for you!

16 June 2009 at 17:11  
Anonymous WannabeAnglican said...

Cameron's real crime is pointing out totalitarian impulse of New Labour.

16 June 2009 at 17:15  
Anonymous Got the Guts to wear God said...

There's always somebody hanging around waiting to be offended! Best to not give any thought to offending because if we do we'll never open our mouths again--but then, that's what the political elite want. D. Singh...I like your posts but I find that the political elite want to beat British history down not revive it. We have to apologise for everything because we've been only been nasty in the past...forget industry and all the good things we're responsible for (they'll beat that down).

Personally, I don't associate ID cards with German fascism. I think we have to stop beating on the Germans for everything that's gone wrong in the world. In Germany they are made to feel ashamed for singing their national anthem! Are they to be punished from now until eternity? And why has the world sat back and ignored a much more modern holocaust? Rwanda, in 1994? Over one million Tutsis murdered...as the world sat by and did nothing? Still haven't for the most part. Yet constantly, movies, the media remind us of the plight of the Jewish people. Are all people not people? Have we learned nothing? Rwanda still happened and has been ignored.

16 June 2009 at 17:15  
Anonymous eeyore said...

How long before German politicians seeking to make a point about totalitarian socialist states ask "Where are your papers?" in an English accent? How we'd laugh!

Here's another joke Mr Cameron might use pour epater les smellysocks: What's the difference between a welfare state and a police state? Merely a matter of time.

16 June 2009 at 17:19  
OpenID raincoatoptimism said...

Archbishop, please, for heaven's sake, leave God out of this, its the joke, not the content, that is bad!!

16 June 2009 at 17:51  
Anonymous Katy said...

As I see it, Cameron's crime is that he hasn't worked out that it might as well be compulsory to carry ID right now!

I went to Tesco on Friday. Husband having abandoned me for the weekend in favour of his precious cars, I decided to console myself with a really nice bottle of wine, which was supposed to last the full three days. But the fascist behind the til wouldn't sell it to me because I 'didn't look 25' to him! Sometime while I wasn't looking, it became illegal to buy alcohol if you're not wearing make-up. Having decided (he admitted 'off the top of his head') that I didn't look 25, no-one, not even his line manager, was legally entitled to countermand this ridiculous assertion and so because I wasn't carrying (get this, this is from the official list) my passport, driver's [sic] licence [at least they managed the 'c'] or NATIONAL ID CARD, I had to go to the Sikh-run corner shop for a bottle of plonk instead. Which I then proceded to drink nearly all in one go because it was tasteless. This pig even admitted he'd seen me in there before with my other half, and sold me alcohol on the grounds he thought my husband was over 25! (Well I should think so, he's 46).

This insistence on ID is, of course, designed purely to make me think it would be a good idea to have some. But at 30 years of age, with my first wrinkle and everything, I REFUSE to go shopping with my passport, or for that matter, be reliant on husband for support.

Grrrr. As if some spotty 17-yr-old would know the difference between lambrusco and a 2004 Malbec at £15 a pop anyway.

16 June 2009 at 19:13  
Anonymous Nelson said...

Is that it? I almost blinked & missed it!. If you look at the last ten years you will realise how our freedoms have been eroded, slowly, with sackfulls of 'valid' or should that be vapid reasons, the seemingly unstoppable march of state power has escalated, You can drink yourself into a stupor 24 hours a day (you will then be too drunk to notice their scams) but you can't buy more than two packs of paracetomol, you can not preach the gospel for fear of offending a non believer, but you can 'Marry' another person of the same sex, & insist that a registrar who objects on religous grounds has to carry out the pairing, (as long as the registrar is Christian of course). You are a criminal if you smoke a cigarette, & of course if you are late in paying your car tax, Big Brother can crush your car. The point being that despite the corny joke, We are fast approaching the Big Brother state that Orwell warned of. The introduction of I.D cards would hand the state TOTAL control of all of us. The stupid argument that "If you're innocent you've nothing to worry about" holds about as much water as a paper bag with holes in. As Mr Cameron rightly alluded the police state beckons like the bony finger of death, innocent or guilty as Hell, be warned totalitarian rule is up & running.

16 June 2009 at 20:16  
Anonymous len said...

Political Correctness is unfortunately no laughing matter.
"When Adam Wieshaupt conceived his religion of Socialist Secular Humanism in post-Reformation Europe he was faced with a new challenge. Information was ubiquitous.So to control mankind and establish his master-slave new world order, Weishaupt conceived a new moral code which we call Political Correctness. Its purpose was to render being judgemental a crime against humanity.
All opinions, cultures,religions, political systems and behaviors, are to be accepted, even respected- no matter how contradictory, errant, or immoral.
There`s no right and no wrong, no heaven or hell. So even with all the world`s knowledge at one`s fingertips, it no longer does them any good, because they can`t discriminate between good and evil, between truth and fiction.
( From Yada Yahweh.)

16 June 2009 at 20:35  
Blogger Andromeda said...

Live by the sword of PC, die by the sword of PC.

16 June 2009 at 21:17  
Blogger Homophobic Horse said...

"Live by the sword of PC, die by the sword of PC"

Totally.

Let's hope God has enough sense to DAMN CAMERON STRAIGHT TO HELL RIGHT NOW, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE LAUGHING!!!

16 June 2009 at 22:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maturecheese,

Learn to contextualise; the literal meaning is irrelevant. The word has come to mean something else entirely, connotations it has derived through racial derogation propogated by whites.

By that logic, "negro" is fine because it literally means "black", but then this completely ignores the civil rights movement and the negative qualities the word came to adopt.

It's called showing sensitivity.

16 June 2009 at 23:05  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

If Your Grace hadnt mentioned it the cod German accent, I doubt if I would have noticed it.

Pretty low on the reichter scale I would have thought.

While we are on the topic of Germany, have you noticed your Grace the ads for the wonderful Ring Cycle at Covent Garden this summer?

Now's our chance to develop some jokes about the Twilight of the Gords or Gordondammerung

16 June 2009 at 23:33  
Anonymous irene lancaster said...

Israel has compulsory ID cards which must be produced at all times!

16 June 2009 at 23:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We should ask ourselves this question.

WHO actually wants ID cards?

Because they are not popular with hardly anyone LEFT or RIGHT. Not even with those most paranoid of Islamic terrorism.

Which also begs the question.

Who has liked virtually any of this Labour governments policies. Who asked for any of them?

If the general electorate had known in 97 what they know now. Would Tony Blair have ever been elected at all?

Surly not.

John Major at his most ineffectual would still be in power, and the most popular, liked and trusted PM we have had since.......Well forever in fact.

It is not the economy that has terminally shagged the Labour movement. It is chucking in its lot with the establishment and its corporatist insanity that has done for the lot of them, hopefully forever.

The job of elected governments is to protect the people from the worst excesses of CORPORATIST POWER. Not to worship the evil monster, while taking its shillings, and wholly ripping off all of ours.

Thatcher played the establishment game only some of the time. When she stood up to them, they stabbed her in the back quicker then she could say "YOU TO KENNETH."

17 June 2009 at 00:13  
Anonymous John Knox said...

Joke: TO BE OR NOT TO BE

While most politicians ARE a joke these days, unable to bear jokes because of the painful side effects of the selfreflection this provokes, it is refreshing to see there is actually a politician left who is able to MAKE a joke.

It is like the comedian who boasted he could make a joke about anything. "Try the Queen," his audience tempted.
"The Queen," he solemnly spoke,
"is not a subject..."

17 June 2009 at 00:49  
Blogger McKenzie said...

Jokes.

I have just read this really funny joke on a blog, and just to prove that even the BNP have a sense of humour:

When Nick Griffin had eggs thrown at him and was whisked off by his minders, what really upset him was the fact they hadn't separated the whites.

BOOM BOOM!

17 June 2009 at 03:52  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

That's really quite a frightening
story Katy.Giving this sort of power willy nilly has serious implications and can result in disastrous consequences as it did down here. Citizens not carrying id and in a distressed situation in this country have been deported because some intelligence challenged low ranking official deemed them to be illegal immigrants( a decision based on the way they looked).This is not an argument for having an id card.Am bitterly opposed to the concept. England is not Germany.

17 June 2009 at 05:10  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Cranmer had a German wife secretly married as a Catholic Archbishop it probably helped his transition from the Church of Rome as marriage to a Catholic nun did for Martin Luther.


That aside, to hear a man who wishes to be Prime Minister banter in such a trite fashion like some pubescent schoolboy is degrading for David Cameron. As for Germans, it will cause no offence, simply reinforce their condescension towards infantilism on the island.

17 June 2009 at 06:06  
Blogger Gnostic said...

If a lack of humour is a pre-requisite for the office of Prime Minister then we'd be stuck with the dour and sulking likes of Gormless Brown forever.

The reaction to Cameron's joke says more about the idiotic media and PC Nazis than anything else. Still on message, bless 'em. Meally-mouthed, witless toerags!

Besides, aren't Brits supposed to be famed for their sense of humour? For their un-PC shadenfreud in the face of adversity and/or absurdity? As far as I'm concerned the joke makes Cameron more human. It still doesn't make him a potentially good PM though. Pity.

17 June 2009 at 07:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everybody should Google or YouTube 'political correctness' and explore what comes up. This agenda originated in the 'Frankfurt School of Marxism' in the early 1920's. Read around the subject and you will begin to understand what has been happening to this, and other once great nations. Their agenda is a list of everything that we suffer from in this shadow of a Great Britain:

1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

Sound familiar?

17 June 2009 at 08:39  
Blogger WoollyMindedLiberal said...

What is funny about a German accent? David Cameron appears to be living in a fantasy world based on 1950s WW2 films. There have been three full generations since then and its time to classify it as 'history' rather than 'current affairs'. Clearly Cameron speaks for many here who doubtless found Jim Davidson achingly funny and think that using an Irish accent to illustrate stupidity is the very height of wit.

Cameron is a lightweight, a buffoonish product of Eton and the Bullingdon Club, a male version of Carol Thatcher but much oilier. There are far worse offences than being a fool who believes that German == Nazi and always will : voting for someone like that is even worse than being such a moron.

Voyager is correct that the Germans have learned to expect no better than Cameron's puerility from far too many of the British and will simply shake their heads sadly at such childishness.

17 June 2009 at 08:59  
Blogger WoollyMindedLiberal said...

And the Old Testament is riddled with humour, Hebrew jokes and amusing puns.

The best joke surely must be Jesus promising to return within the lifetimes of those in his audience. I bet they're still howling with laughter in Heaven over that practical joke and how gullible the humans were.

Once you realise that the whole Bible is just one practical joke being played against mankind then it finally makes some kind of sense.

17 June 2009 at 09:03  
Blogger D. Singh said...

ZZMike

I agree that the socialist political elite wants to undermine British history. They approach history from the Marxian class analysis (EP Thompson and Eric Hobsbawm). They believe that there is a dynamic to history (class struggle) based upon dialectical materialism. Dialectical materialism has a formula borrowed from the philosopher Hegel who said, in the abstract, there exists a dynamic in history and formulated it thus: thesis+anti-thesis= synthesis.

Marx came along and said the working-class are the thesis (they can see the truth) and the ruling class are their anti-thesis; the eventual revolution culminating in the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is the synthesis.

That is why Marx said ‘I have turned Hegel on his head.’

All this has really come about because philosophers reject the notion that Judaeo-Christianity has solved the fundamental problem between subjectivity and objectivity.

For one perspective, amongst many, see the thesis of the brilliant American Dr Victor Reppert’s short work CS Lewis’s Dangerous Idea.

There is a crying need for Judaeo-Christians to read and write history and philosophy. We do well to begin by reading the works of Francis A. Schaeffer and CS Lewis.

17 June 2009 at 09:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said your Lordship. It serves to confirm David Cameron is a normal human being as opposed to a 'pre-recorded, contradictory android' which is how Brown increasingly presents himself.

Labour's undemocratic betrayal/refusal to let those they are paid TO SERVE vote on the Lisbon Treaty should be taken to task - Hitler's aims were, surely, the abolition of 'democratic freedom' in Britain replaced by dictatorship. Brussels will not, it seems, take a resounding 'NO' from the Irish vote on the Lisbon Treaty. Right minded people can only conclude bullying dictatorship.

17 June 2009 at 09:06  
Blogger OurSally said...

@ McKenzie:
The word is Ausweis and means identification.

I am now a German citizen and have an Ausweis. It causes me no pain whatsoever and is very handy indeed in the bank etc. No doubt it is possible to buy fakes, but still it is pretty foolproof. If you are asked to identify yourself by the police and you have left it at home, you have 24 hours to go to any police station and produce it. No-one here considers their Ausweis to be any form of repression.

On the other hand, the decay and fall of the British Empire is a continuing source of amusement and amazement. Sind sie vollkommen bloed? Ja, leider.

17 June 2009 at 09:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace, sorry for being a little slow, but what is the connection with the BNP? There is something that may interest you, however, in today’s Telegraph -- ‘Runner ejected from Cathedral after being mistaken as BNP member’ – would you care to comment?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5549702/Runner-ejected-from-Cathedral-after-being-mistaken-as-BNP-member.html

I wonder, has the C of E secretly ‘excommunicated’ almost a million people that voted for the British National Party? Of course, the numbers could be even higher -- anyone suffering baldness, sporting the merest inkling of a tattoo or having long arms and large knuckles may now have problems entering a church thus further accelerating the catastrophic decline in church attendance. So much for ‘inclusiveness’ – it would appear to be rather selective when practiced by the C of E.

17 June 2009 at 10:21  
Anonymous len said...

Woolly minded liberal,
Jesus did indeed return ( acts 1-3)

17 June 2009 at 10:36  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

Our Sally
I don't find the decay and fall of the British empire amusing and a laughing matter.I think it is heart breaking and I am still hoping that somehow a miracle will happen and things will get better... but then again I haven't become a German.

17 June 2009 at 11:23  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

If the boy does not wish to be regarded as a fascist,perhaps he should distance himself from the vicious nazis of the uaf/searchlight/socialist worker brigade ,instead of endorsing them with his membership.A German joke is no laughing matter.

17 June 2009 at 11:39  
Blogger OurSally said...

Hi sydneysider

I left the UK during the miners' strike. Nuff said.

Since then the Brits have elected one bad government after another, destroyed the once excellent education system, dismantled the once-envied health system, and tolerated ignorant and corrupt politicians. They have done all this themselves, knowingly, eyes wide open. They know the politicians are liars and still they elect them.

I know all empires have to end sometime, but it could have been done with more dignity. I don't think it will get better; they can only slow the rot. Thus I became German, to eliminate the risk of ever having to go back.

17 June 2009 at 14:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought Cameron's coment was funny ... and pointed. I might even vote for him if he continues to highlight the evils of the EU.

17 June 2009 at 15:48  
Anonymous John Malcolmson said...

Woolly minded liberal

What accents do you find funny? (assuming you have a sense of humour at all). At a guess I'd say those of "buffoonish products of Eton and the Bullingdon club". Would you really take offence at somebody "taking off" the accent of a toff?

You assume that Cameron believes that "German = Nazi". I'm really impressed with your mind-reading skills. Would it be reasonable for me to assume that you believe that "Eton education = racist bigot"?.

Your idea of liberality clearly does not extend to the freedom to poke harmless fun at a long dead stereotype, the vast majority of the descendants of which accept its potential for humour and, far from taking offence at such parodies, acknowledge them as evidence that any animosity between the British and the German people has finally evaporated. Nobody takes the p*** out of people they don't like. But you have to have a sense of humour to understand that.

Incidentally, I have no axe to grind on behalf of former Eton alumni, having been raised on a council estate and educated at a grammar school.

17 June 2009 at 20:20  
Blogger ZZMike said...

Nelson: "The stupid argument that "If you're innocent you've nothing to worry about" holds about as much water as a paper bag with holes in."

We find that argument over here as well. I just say to them, OK, how about if we just have the police pop round your place some Sunday morning while you're in church and have a little look around?

ultramontaine: "Pretty low on the reichter scale I would have thought."

Full marks for the best pun of the year! ! !

irene: "Israel has compulsory ID cards which must be produced at all times!"

Good point. However, the point is not the card itself, but the motive and the people behind them. Here in the US, we're required to carry either a driver's license or an ID card, both issued by the state's Department of Motor Vehicles. You have to produce one or the other if you're asked by the police, but they never ask without cause. (And of course, if you're an illegal immigrant, it's usually "Well then, off you go, and have a nice day!".)

The old German model is the worst possible - the polizei could stop anyone anytime for any reason and ask for ID.

I seriously doubt the Israeli police use it as an excuse to crack down on their citizens (more than a few of whom happen to be Arabs).

17 June 2009 at 20:51  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Thanks ZZMike for your appreciation of my little pun. :-)

17 June 2009 at 21:23  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Our Sally - turncoat, then. Should be Their Sally, surely.

Always play for the winning side - according to the values of the world, of course. Not according to Christ or St. Paul.

Germans have been pretty nasty about us for a long time - nothing new in it. Katherine Mansfield showed some of it in "In a German Pension," and I'm sure that wasn't a budding trend.

Point here, then: It's OK for them to say and do whatever they like - but if we respond or defend ourselves? "Shut Up! little englanders..." Sound familiar???


Didn't someone recently point out that a sense of humour requires the ability to tell truth from fiction?

19 June 2009 at 05:45  

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