Wednesday, June 03, 2009

Is there a Euro election tomorrow?

One would never guess.

Perhaps the people have simply ceased to care, for what is the point of voting in an election which changes absolutely nothing? What is the point of creeping like snail unwillingly to a polling station, in this sweltering heat, and bothering to put an ‘X’ in a box when the EU long ago determined its irrevocable course and nothing as trivial as democracy will deflect it from its fore-ordained destination?

It is not possible to vote out the Commission or its President; it is not possible to change EU laws; it is not possible for your elected ‘representatives’ to initiate legislation; it is not possible to vote against the constitution, to repeal a directive or to amend a diktat.

It is a façade of democracy, a counterfeit, a sham, a pretence. The European Parliament is a pathetic imitation of a legislature, and one which demeans the nobility of the name ‘parliament’. It is as fake as a fingerbob; as hypocritical as a paedophile priest; as shallow as a New Labour value. If you think Westminster has problems, reflect for a moment upon the hollowness of the traffic of the Brussels stage. The D-list actors (pace the Roscius Daniel Hannan) perform to the footlights of a grand amphitheatre while their audience sleeps with boredom. They mutter their bloated words without suiting them to the action; they mumble the tedious lines of an abysmal script plagiarised from Groundhog Day, hoping and waiting for a prompt to move the drama on. It is choreographed more than Follies: it is a pantomime of folly.

And so the political parties are not promoting their manifestos (have they written them?); politicians are not knocking on doors; the media are preoccupied with the interminable minutiae of MPs expenses; the Government is in meltdown as, incredibly, on the eve of the first national election since 2005, the Home Secretary announces her resignation, along with ministers, former ministers and sundry other bit-part Labour MPs. There is no campaign.

Is it any wonder that people might rather stay at home and watch House than venture out to vote?

The EU is as infallible an ex cathedra pontification and as unaccountable as a demigod. How can a mere vote challenge Divine Right?


Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Better to go out an spoil your vote with a 'No to the Eurogravy Train!'

At least the political elite will know that you exist.

By the way, your Grace, do you choose the word verification letters? They often spell out some very curious words - possibly from some unknown indoeuropean language. This morning it was 'plingst' - something to do with the harp you are playing up above??

3 June 2009 at 09:24  
Blogger Sam Steel's White Angel said...

Very depressing. Symbolic of worse things to come. Repent and seek ye the Lord ! It's all there is left to do now.

3 June 2009 at 09:25  
Anonymous martin sewell said...

The people of God have been here before Your Grace.

Exodus 7:22

"But the Egyptian magicians did the same things by their secret arts, and Pharaoh's heart became hard: he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the Lord had said."

3 June 2009 at 09:26  
Blogger Gnostic said...

All the more reason for telling the EU to go up itself. Farage seems good at doing that which is why his crew are getting my vote tomorrow even if it doesn't make a blind bit of difference in the long run.

If Cameron thinks the UK will be best served by being part of the EU then all I can say is that the next goverment will be best served if he, or any other witless Europhile, wasn't heading it.

3 June 2009 at 09:34  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

If we vote ,it will make no difference,if we do not vote we leave our oppressors in command of the field,therefore vote for the party which is pledged to take us out of the eussr,hold your nose if you have to,but in your own interests and those of your country vote BNP.

3 June 2009 at 09:45  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Thank you Your Grace. The vast majority of the British public know all that which is why we hate & despise it so much and are desperate to leave it.

That is why a vote for the single-issue pressure group UKIP is the only sensible option tomorrow. It will make sod all difference to the EU who we vote for, so our only hope is to send a clarion call to those who could possibly do something about it of our complete and utter contempt for the institution.

3 June 2009 at 09:52  
Blogger Colonel Smedley said...

It's a sorry state of affairs that the EU institutions are so rigid and turgid that to actually advance the transparency-and-accountability agenda that so many in the UK want, we will have to play hardball. Refusing cooperation, withholding monies: none of these things we would really want to do, but the institutional set up seems to mean that those are the only methods open for the clean-up agenda of real change that the people want.
It's 1832 again, but for those on the continent - the EU is as rotten a democracy as the rotten boroughs of old.

3 June 2009 at 10:14  
Blogger Sam Steel's White Angel said...

So everyone rushes out and votes UKIP..."there you swine". Then the Lisbon Treaty gets put through anyway, because that's what has been already decided, and we are now represented in Europe by UKIP. Pure Genius.

3 June 2009 at 10:17  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Sam Steel ... and your point is ...?

3 June 2009 at 10:25  
Blogger Sam Steel's White Angel said...

My point is that it is not a good strategy to jump in the ring full of emotion, with no respect for your opponent and start lashing out and flailing around. You might get through the first round.

Seeing how we are all keen to tell eachother how to vote and who to vote for, I will add my penny.

The only real option will be to vote for either, Conservative, Libdem, or BNP...depending upon your conscience. We are going to need representation in Europe, and a good reflection and balance of MEP,s from the house would be a better deal.

3 June 2009 at 10:38  
Anonymous Phido said...

Your Grace.
It seems that there are several parties whose manifesto promises a pull out of Britain from the EU, but so far we are no nearer the exit than we were a decade ago. UKIP already holds seats in Brussels but what have they done to extricate us from this unwanted, unelected circus? I feel that it is all stage management to hold these so called elections, sleight of hand to appease the masses. One feels like a fly in a web who desperately seeks freedom & life but has to accept its fate because hope of release is gone. When will the hype & baloney, the empty promises of people & parties cease & a real escape route be taken? Or are we to far in to ever get out? Honest answers please!

3 June 2009 at 10:40  
Blogger Frugal Dougal said...

With the BNP having been handed an audience like never before through the negligent policies of the Government - the most pertinent of these being on immigration - every vote is going to count, not least the vote that isn't cast.

3 June 2009 at 10:41  
Blogger Sam Steel's White Angel said...

Repent and seek ye the Lord! For there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth it has surpassed even the points of mild amusement and complete boredom.

3 June 2009 at 10:51  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

"We are going to need representation in Europe, and a good reflection and balance of MEP,s from the house would be a better deal." - Sam Steel

But as His Grace's post has made clear, the EU elections aren't real elections at all. They're just a side-show ... façade, counterfeit, sham and pretence. Having 'representation in Europe' means nothing at all. Better to demonstrate to our domestic politicians, whilst we still have a glimmer of a chance of them doing something, that we hate Europe's institutions and want severance.

Sadly, as the mainstream parties are obliterated tomorrow, the parties and political commentators will simply say, "it's a protest about the expenses"! NO IT'S NOT. WE HATE EUROPE!

3 June 2009 at 11:51  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

All that you say is true. Normally, any reasonable people asked to vote in a charade by their Government would feel deeply ashamed. This people feels no shame because they do not realise it is a mere game that they are being asked to participate in.

MEPs have little, if any, power. They can change nothing.

Some years ago I read the complete works of Alexander Solzhenitsyn. I remember saying to God, ‘We are just a bunch of useless shallow Christians whose faith shall never be tested like the faith of the Russian Christians. We don’t even have an evil oppressive power to write against.’

Then came the whisper, ‘Oh! But it will… it will.’

The people have not yet been educated as to what the EU is. They suspect there is something wrong when they collide with something like a HIP (Home Information Pack). They are being told by estate agents to ignore the HIP even though it costs hundreds of pounds to gain the information it contains.

What most of them do not know is that behind it sits in support an EU Directive. What a wheeze!

National governments love it, of course they are going to implement that Directive. Why for a Government every time someone sells their home it’s like pulling the lever of a fruit-machine – except that this fruit-machine always pays out without the Government ever having to pay in.

The HIP really does symbolise the EU: it is a rip-off. But the beauty of it for national governments is that people accept they are being ripped-off, therefore the EU project can continue safely: after all the people consent to it and if they didn’t then why do they pay hundreds of pounds every time to be ripped-off?

3 June 2009 at 11:51  
Blogger Sam Steel's White Angel said...

The problem is that our national politics has also become a charade. The playing field is so diluted and washed out that there is no distinctions to be made. All that remains is a game, a game of lies and propaganda between indistinguishable parties. The only differences remaining are deeper down under the threshold of policies, class differences. The dilemma is that Labour no longer can be seen to represent the reprobate class because all politicians are now in a class of their own.

There are NO policies coming out of the Tory camp because they also know that there is only one playing field for what ever party gets in, so it's best to say fuck all, until the get hold of the whip and the keys to the door of power.

But voting UKIP is not the answer. How the hell can it be? What kind of a protest is it going to make? Tell them we hate Europe? They already know this, this is why we will have no say in it. Voting UKIP will not harm the Tory machine, which is set to take the reins for sure, and it will be business as usual in the UK.

Labour have mucked things up so badly that there is no hope for the reprobate classes, we are going to take a severe pasting, but Labour have to go. If you want to make a real protest vote then vote either Libdem or BNP. The end result is going to be a Tory government, and you are going to need an opposition that has at least some leverage. Labour will have the leverage of a dead fish after the election wipe out.

Waste your time with UKIP if you wish, I am enjoying telling it like it is and then listening to all the wailing when things go tits is laughable really.

Repent and seek ye the Lord!

3 June 2009 at 12:57  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

Stunningly accurate your Grace, no links, your piece says it all on this matter.

3 June 2009 at 13:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is all a game, and if you are invited to play a game of tennis then you need a racket, so choose your racket.

Repent and seek ye the Lord!

3 June 2009 at 13:28  
Blogger Gnostic said...

SSWA - Unless we withdraw from the EU things are going to go tits up no matter who we vote for. The EU elections are a complete sham anyway so I will vote for the closest thing we have to an EU Opposition. That's UKIP since the Tories are a pretty useless bunch of wannabes who couldn't Oppose themselves out of a paper bag.

Or do you believe that wanting to put the brakes on the Euro-fascists is a bad idea?

3 June 2009 at 14:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't the Christian Party Christian Peoples Alliance also want to take us out of Europe? Does anyone know anything about them?

3 June 2009 at 14:42  
Blogger ProudGeordie said...

The ONLY anti-EU vote is a BNP vote. UKIP actually voted FOR the surrender of British fishing territories, Farrage admitted to Blair in that foul place that with reform he could see the advantage of being in Europe (and has a £2,000,000 expenses bill) and in their 10 years have done NOTHING!

The LibLabCon are pro EU and no-one else has a hope in hell of making a difference.

Like us or loath us, we are the only anti-EU vote.

3 June 2009 at 15:10  
Blogger ukipwebmaster said...

Yes there is an election, the signs are everywhere:

3 June 2009 at 16:04  
Blogger Gnostic said...

If the BNP is the only anti-EU vote then we're in deeper sh*t than I thought.

Oh wait, there's the No2EU lot. We're saved...

3 June 2009 at 16:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


David Nellist and his happy bunch of labour cast-offs, trade union bully boys and PC token ethnics? You're having a laugh, aren't you?(?)

This shower was only put in to dilute the protest vote!

3 June 2009 at 16:46  
Blogger Sam Steel's White Angel said...

Is there a Jedi Party? I reckon we should have Jedi Knights in the Euro Spin Trough. Now that would be value for money. Speaking of which, I am convinced that Mandelson is a Sith Lord.

Repent and seek ye the Loed!

3 June 2009 at 17:44  
Blogger Sam Steel's White Angel said...

See what what I mean...Sith mind tricks


3 June 2009 at 17:46  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

It's one of those ironies of present day politics that the only way to find out half the horrible things going on in the eu (perpetrated in our name and at our expense) is to look on the UKIP website, that fine boy of men (and women) dedicated to hastening its downfall. We never hear the half of it on the national network terrestrial channels, and I have long since wondered why not. The truth is presumably best kept secret, and more important things placed on our screens instead, along the lines of stories such as "mad cow ate my tortoise" and similar dumbed down items signifying nothing of importance, but still providing the illusion of news.

Certainly I shall vote UKIP tomorrow, if ever there was a time when a UKIP vote cannot be dismissed as a wasted vote, then this is it.

BTW, an amazing thing happened this morning on Radio 2, a channel that has in recent years become so dumbed down that I've long given up on it, and only listened today because I had no choice. The "debate of the century" or whatever was widely trailed over half an hour....some debate, it was less than 10 minutes, and the speakers got at best a minute or two each, but no matter....what was truly amazing was the introduction of (quote) "a representative of the FOUR main parties.....UKIP Con Lab and LibDem. My golly....someone will get sacked, surely, in the BBC for that! An admission that UKIP has made it onto the top table, indeed.

However, yes, returning to the thread of His Grace's post from my wanderings, you've hit the nail on the head as to my main objections to the eu. We are actually living in an unelected dictatorship right now, with only the window dressings of a democratic parliament, one which has rather less power than the rubber stamp Russian Parliament which we all used to roll over and laugh about in past years. But best to vote, anyway. Even if, as has been suggested, you spoil your ballot paper. Go for it! (but voting for UKIP might be better.....)

3 June 2009 at 18:41  
Blogger ukipwebmaster said...

Today's UKIP ad in the soaraway Sun:

3 June 2009 at 19:45  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

From one old grumpy to another...

Prompted by your post I took a look at the UKIP and Tory Websites.

The Tories seem to be reluctant to admit that there's a euroelection at all, but eventually I found the candidates for the South West. None of them want to tell you about themselves, though they have a very dishy candidate called Zehra Zaidi, who as you might gather is not one of your county set..., not that that matters.

The UKIP website takes you straight to the action and all the candidates talk about themselves down to the minutiae...

I'm not yet convinced about voting UKIP. Recent history shows that 2 UKIP MEPs wallowed in the trough and had to be expelled. That's a very high proportion.

3 June 2009 at 20:13  
Anonymous Epictetus said...

I agree with every word except "Roscius". To which Roscius was Your Grace referring?

3 June 2009 at 20:57  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Epictetus,

Quintus Roscius Gallus.

Did not the context make this evident?

3 June 2009 at 21:05  
Blogger ZZMike said...

"It is not possible to vote out the Commission or its President; it is not possible to ..."

Is it one of those Soviet-style elections, where there's just one box to check?

It will be interesting to see the reports of voter turnout - if indeed the press finds it newsworthy.

Our gracious host stumped me with "Roscius". The comparison does seem apt.

ukipwebmaster: If the "signs are everywhere" video is an example of the UKIP, I can only conclude that it's being run by a group of manic clowns on their off-days.

ultramontaine prompted me to go see the UKIP wewbsite. They have a page "Vote early and make it count" (here in the US, the saying was "vote early and often"). I note this interesting bit of fine print:

"While it is true that you are not voting to form a government - the European Parliament does not create laws - it does have a growing influence on the legislation coming out of Brussels."

Who then is this august body in Brussels which seems to be making laws, unencumbered by the opinions of people who voted for them?

Here in America it's a lot simpler. Democrats win, Republicans lose, and third parties are roughly equivalent to the Monty Python Silly Parties.

3 June 2009 at 21:07  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...


'Vote early, vote often' The thought crossed my mind as well.

Personation used to be a good wheeze of adding to your vote, both in Mayor Daly's fiefdom in Chicago and also in Northern Ireland. At every election the electoral roll will have a number of people on it who have sadly died since the roll was drawn up.

Didn't someone say 'Before you declare the Democrat elected, just make sure that his/her votes cast was equal to or less than the number of living electors'

3 June 2009 at 21:26  
Blogger peter_dtm said...

apathy will rule tomorrow - and that means (to the thieving class in Islington Brussels & Strasbourg) 'they LIKE us'

Either VOTE for a party you trust.


SPOIL your ballot - lets have a 100% turnout - with an 80% spoilt ballot.

Even that hoon brown would be unable to put a positive pro eu spin on it

3 June 2009 at 21:39  
Blogger Wrinkled Weasel said...

I have been denied a vote on the EU Treaty. Where else can I vote but UKIP?

I want to send a message to the main parties that I am very very angry about their failure to clean up their own act. Where else can I vote but UKIP?

I want to see Labour fall so low in the polls tomorrow that it ensures the departure of the monster Gordon Brown. Where else can I vote but UKIP?

3 June 2009 at 23:38  
Blogger DP111 said...

The EU does give employment to a lot of politicians, keeping them happy and out of mischief, shuttling between Brussels and Strasbourg. Now that is not such a bad thing, otherwise they could be creating havoc in their home countries.

However if anyone wants to submit a real protest vote, a real kick in the trousers of the establishment, then vote for the party the establishment hates the most.

4 June 2009 at 00:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The euSSR will turn our ballots to their advantage, however we vote. So I see no point in voting at all.

What I would like is to join a peaceful demonstration as near as possible to a polling station - and to show placards saying such things as:

Home Rule for Britain;
We Refuse to Vote for europe;
Where's Our Referendum?;
We Refuse to Participate in europe -

or things to those effects....

And if everyone did something like that, somebody might notice.

4 June 2009 at 04:13  
Blogger Gnostic said...

SSWA said: I am convinced that Mandelson is a Sith Lord.

Sith is a misspelling, surely...


4 June 2009 at 09:25  
Anonymous Epictetus said...

The context certainly suggested Quintus Roscius Gallus. However, it could also have sensationally implied patricide, or killing the hand that feeds. I am releived that this was not the case.

4 June 2009 at 10:27  

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