Thursday, July 23, 2009

Bishop of Willesden tweets the 'beautiful people of Norwich' to vote Labour

The Rt Rev Peter Broadbent ('Pete') is the Bishop of Willesden. He has joined that mind-numbingly banal pursuit 'Twitter'.

Perhaps one gets the see one deserves.

His dialogue today:

@BevaniteEllie: Any Norwich voters on Twitter? May I suggest you vote Labour, you beautiful people.

@hackloon To the contrary - a return to Thatcherism in baseball capped disguise would be a fate too horrendous to contemplate...

@hackloon And that's what the Tories did. Lesser of two evils...

If voting Labour is the lesser of two evils, Cranmer cannot grasp the Bishop's ponerology or understand his vision of hell.

Thankfully, he only has 424 followers (as at 9.00am), and it is unlikely that any of them would be voters in Norwich.

But it is curious that a Church of England bishop should seek to intervene so blatatantly in a parliamentary election. Other than abandoning the BNP, it is not the Church of England's style to direct the faithful from the pulpit.

Cranmer refers the Bishop to some lines from the Church's official election prayers (yes, they exist):

"Heavenly Father, we thank You for the privilege of exercising our right to vote in a free election in a democratic society."

"God, who from of old taught the hearts of your faithful people by sending to them the light of your Holy Spirit: grant us by the same Spirit to have a right judgment in all things."

But perhaps the Rev Dr Peter Mullen expresses it best in his General Election prayer, which Cranmer has slightly adapted to the occasion of this by-election:

“O Lord, who hast tried us and that right sore these twelve years of our trying; and hast, through the stiff-necked usurper the Great Brown, laid upon us so many and weary burdens, and hast set us on thy Left hand: stretch forth now O Lord, we beseech thee, thy Right hand and return to thy longsuffering people those things wherein they were wonted to put their trust.

“Behold, O Lord, the sorrows of thy people which do tarry these many days for to see a physician in the service which is called Health; hearken, O Lord, unto the voice of them that leave their teachers of many years, yet can they count not, neither can they read; and see how we are compassed about by the multitude of robbers which do break through and steal even into our household, and do set upon us in the street to do us harm. Thou who hast said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth’, restore thy law and commandments to the punishment of evildoers, so that thy people may pass in peace in the land which thou hast given them.

“And behold the wailing of thy people which are sorely taxed, so that the half of all our substance goeth to feed the fancies of the usurpers that do rule over us.

“Turn, O Lord, turn thee again at the last, and behold the abomination of desolation which is called EU (he that hath ears to hear, let him hear); and deliver us from the great let and hindrance, and the burdens of it which do command us to worship strange gods, and saith to thy people that they be no more a people.

“Deliver us, O Lord, deliver thy people of Norwich on the twenty-third day of this month. Deliver them from the deceitful and wicked man. May those who cast all these heavy burdens upon thy people be cut altogether away, that their voices be no more heard in the land. And bestow upon us, O Lord, the wisdom that cometh through doing Right."

55 Comments:

Anonymous Grumpy Old Man said...

Amen

23 July 2009 at 09:48  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Were I a citizen of Norwich it would be almost worthwhile to sign up to Twitter and post this on Bishop Twit's tweets:

"Ref. your request, I refer you to Arkell v Pressdram!"

With clergymen like this gracing us with their unsolicited, non-religio suggestions is it any wonder that people quit going to church out of pure disgust? I mean, why would I, someone who is relentlessly and vociferously anti-Labour, want to sit and listen to a sermon from this hoon?

23 July 2009 at 09:58  
Blogger Arden Forester said...

Taken leave of his senses? There was another Bishop of Willesden, Graham Leonard. He'd not do such things. Now a Roman Catholic priest,Leonard was not for mixing party politics into the church.

I see "Pete" has a blue stock. Always a warning, that is!

23 July 2009 at 10:28  
Anonymous oiznop said...

Pete has got the sort of face you just want to punch. Norwich is quite a Catholic area anyway, so they'll probably ignore a CofE heretic.

23 July 2009 at 10:44  
Anonymous Laird said...

'You beautiful people!' Where do they find these whackos and dress them up as bishops.There is no respect for anything any more.Has everyone forgotten the dignity of religious office.And you wonder why the shift /secularism.Drastic reform is needed or the church is
finished.

23 July 2009 at 10:48  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Perhaps one gets the see one deserves.

What have the people of Willesden done to deserve a village idiot for a bishop?

•Johnny Rottenborough•

23 July 2009 at 11:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Where do they find these whackos and dress them up as bishops.'

It's the same-old, same-old Establishment story. Broadbent was Carey's trendy lefty curate & is a former Labour councillor.
There's a whole slew of these newish soft leftish liberal evangelical bishops (pro-WO, squishy on gays), whom Carey, then Williams levered into positions to keep the evangelicals & 'yoof' in the Church of England and to put the conservatives (anti-WO, anti-gays) under their thumb - the 'Fulcrum' bloggers Graham Kings, 'Nick' Bain, 'Bishop Alan', 'Pete' Broadbent etc etc.
Good to know their leftishness is only cassock-deep & good ol' English privilege & preferment still works ...

El Mirador

23 July 2009 at 11:49  
Blogger Jim Bartlet said...

I have to agree with His Grace about Twitter. It seems to bring the absolute worse qualities out of people. This idiot you speak of has 'only 400' odd twits following him, this says things about me I suppose, I have only 30 odd. I generally follow those who have somehow convinced everyone else that they have captured the Gestalt of the day, and in a funny Topsy turvy way, this has energised their ramblings with the power to drive the gestalt of the day. So it has become necessary for me to follow and attempt to decipher their schizophrenic twitteration.


Footnote: I have searched Google to see if there is a programme or code which allows one to control the captcha words, and as of yet I have discovered nothing, but these words are get ever increasingly more relevant and disturbing.

23 July 2009 at 11:52  
Blogger Jim Bartlet said...

Down the side of His Grace's esteemed blog there is a list of quotes made by renowned statesmen and woman. I dread to think what any future list of quotes will comprise of given the endless deluge of un-statesmen-like verbiage which inundates the Internet; the ramblings of a bunch of crass tossers who represent a corrupt and decedent fallen society.

23 July 2009 at 12:12  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Bartlett,

In the spirit of objectivity and for critical balance, His Grace has purposely included the comments of one or two 'crass tossers'.

23 July 2009 at 12:33  
Anonymous not a machine said...

If we are to help the poor , you cannot do anything else but vote conservative.
pop culture, poor education and drugs certainly dont seem to be helping them towards a more respectful society.

23 July 2009 at 12:38  
Anonymous c tosser said...

'YOOF' very clever anonymous.

23 July 2009 at 13:31  
Blogger Jim Bartlet said...

Sorry to be a bit of a spammer today Your Grace, but all kinds of relevant things have appeared in my Netvibes news reader service. With regards to the afore mentioned CT:

De-Baptism Gains a Following in Britain.

More than 100,000 former Christians have downloaded "certificates of de-baptism" in a bid to publicly renounce the faith, according to the London-based National Secular Society (NSS).

" But in recent months, as tens of thousands began to download the certificate, organizers realized that they had struck a chord with atheists and once-devout church members who are leaving churches they see as increasingly out-of-tune with modern life. "Churches have become so reactionary, so politically active that people actually want to make a protest against them now," Sanderson says. "They're not just indifferent anymore. They're actively hostile."

Is it any wonder?

23 July 2009 at 13:39  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Archbishop Cranmer (12:33)—Would His Grace care to name the crass tossers? The egregious¶ Hannan is surely on His Grace’s little list.

¶ I use the word in its modern, not its archaic, sense.

23 July 2009 at 13:42  
Blogger English Viking said...

As this muppet appears to be so interested in politics, perhaps he could stand for election as a Bishop, with the members of his diocese as the electorate. I would like to see his smug face come election night, when Labour will receive the biggest thrashing in electoral history. Just a shame that the next lot will be at least as useless.

23 July 2009 at 13:57  
Anonymous TBF said...

He's now got 426 followers.

Must be the publicity you've given him.

23 July 2009 at 14:01  
Anonymous not a mouse said...

Amen to the prayer, Your Grace! Brilliant.

I did wonder though: might it be 'were wont' rather than " 'were wonted' to put"?

Re 'Twitter' - I used to suffer the acquaintance of a very nasty, slander-mongering female who, I said, 'twitters'; (I expect she still does). Nothing, then, would make me go near a website of the same ilk!!!

btw: Do these leftie clerics generally incline towards our return towards RCism? Is this why they do everything to alienate their communicants from the CoE?
Or are they like your "stiff-necked usurper the Great Brown" - spiritually, politically, and very nearly physically, blind?

23 July 2009 at 14:37  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Not a Mouse,

Curious you mention that.

The author, as stated, is the Rev Dr Peter Mullen. His Grace was going to 'correct', but then considered the clumsiness to be intrinsic to the parody.

23 July 2009 at 14:45  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

I've just been to meet my local Labour MP for the 1st time to 'discuss' the 'Equality' [sic] Bill.

What a thoroughly unpleasant, disdainful & downright rude man he turned out to be. Seemed to have me pigeon-holed as 'one of them' straight away and so wasn't going to entertain any reasonable discussion.

How on earth does one go about unseating an incumbent Labour MP in a northern mill town?

23 July 2009 at 14:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace,

I am reminded of an incident just prior to this year’s European election. I very elderly friend of the family, and a lifelong church goer, returned from church one Sunday morning and exclaimed that “the church is really going downhill.” It seems that the clergy, under instruction from the Archbishop of York, had, during the sermon, told the congregation that they should not vote for a certain political party. It would appear that Yorkshire folk do not like to be told what they should or should not do. Look what happened – the BNP’s Andrew Brons was elected as MEP for Yorkshire & Humberside. Now the Bishop of Norwich, along with politically motivated men of-the-cloth from other denominations, are telling the folk of Norwich North not to vote for the BNP’s Rev Robert West. Why, for God sake, do these church leaders think that their flocks are incapable of exercising their own conscience at the ballot box? By taking this action they are surely encouraging a protest vote in exactly the opposite direction to the one they hope to achieve and, in to the bargain, drive the few remaining loyal church goers away.

23 July 2009 at 14:57  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Have I just heard correctly ... the ABC has suspended communion because of swine flu?!!

Would they ever have the faith or conviction to believe that partaking of the sacraments might actually HEAL some of their ailments?

Bet you won't hear such a silly, faithless, feeble-minded announcement from the Church of Rome.

23 July 2009 at 15:18  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Rebel Saint,

You have not heard correctly.

The Department of Health have advised the CofE that 'in a pandemic it makes good sense to take precautions to limit the spread of disease by not sharing common vessels for food and drink'.

In the light of this advice, the Archbishop of Canterbury has recommended those presiding at Holy Communion suspend the administration of the chalice.

For those who still wish to offer in both kinds, he recommends the practice whereby the presiding minister, whose hands should have been washed with the appropriate alcohol based rub before handling the elements and the vessels, personally intincts all wafers before placing them in the hands of communicants.

This makes manifest sense.

There is no question of the suspension of Holy Communion.

23 July 2009 at 15:27  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

our Grace, I am disappointed. Manifest sense - seriously? No, a feeble, faithless response.

Let alone the sheer infinitesimally small chance of catching the virus this way, what of 1 Cor 11:30. Good job Jesus wasn't in the CofE ... what would they have said about him touching those lepers?

The CofE have more faith in NuLabour and the false Gods of scientific Advisors than they do in the power of the Living God. I would urge all who think they might have swine flu to come with penitence and faith and drink at the cup where they might find healing. I will gladly drink after them ... similarly if you have AIDs.

I'd be very surprised if the CofR follows suit, or whether Mosques will suspend Friday prayers, or Jewish homes their Shabbat?

23 July 2009 at 15:47  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Incidentally, what on earth does "intincts" mean. It doesn't appear to be in any on-line dictionary?

23 July 2009 at 15:48  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rebel saint

You need to calm down and stop talking through your arse.

23 July 2009 at 16:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some background reading for the seemingly less informed and rebellious types:

Swine flu may force Muslims to abandon Haj pilgrimage to Mecca.

Swine flu hits Jewish camps.

A Jewish response to the potential swine flu pandemic.

23 July 2009 at 16:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, and let's not leave out the 'Church of Rome:

Swine flu leads Catholic church to ban on wine at communion.

23 July 2009 at 16:58  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

OK Anonymouse, like a man in orthopaedic shoes, I stand corrected.

It's not just the CofE, they're all a bunch of faithless, lily livered, feeble minded flotsam.

Is it just me that thinks the idea of a strain of flu that's not as deadly as the regular strain and is quite easily treated isn't that worrying?

23 July 2009 at 17:07  
Anonymous Francis said...

"I'd be very surprised if the CofR follows suit". Surely, RS, you cannot be unaware that Rome standardly withholds the chalice from the laity, and that this has been an issue of contention with the churches of the Reformation for centuries? (See no. 30 of the Thirty-Nine Articles.)

Those Roman dioceses where the chalice is administered to the laity do so, I believe, by special indult only - i.e. it doesn't change the underlying canonical norm.

23 July 2009 at 17:10  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Francis, isn't that on theological grounds rather than on advice from the secular government? [That's not a rhetorical question btw!]

23 July 2009 at 17:13  
Anonymous no nonny said...

I've met rebellious faithful types before. Apparently they deny the practice of hygiene that protects us from colds and 'flu - which spread by droplet infection and contagion.

Well I always heard that "cleanliness is next to Godliness" - and ... surely if God had not wanted us to live by the knowledge of how infections spread, he would have prevented us from acquiring it?

Are we to believe that He would prefer us to commit suicide by going to churches filled with the coughs and sneezes of the rebellious faithful (who wouldn't dream of staying home); and drinking from the chalice into which they have slavered and dripped? Surely it is suicide that manifests lack of faith in God - not hygiene?

23 July 2009 at 17:14  
Anonymous Francis said...

It is not, as far as I am aware, known for certain how the practice of communion under one kind came about. Concern about the risk of contagion (which would have been understood even in a pre-bacteriological age) may well have played a part. (I'd be interested to know if there is any firm evidence one way or the other on this.) Of course, once the practice was in place, it was not long before a theological justification for it was produced, but I'd take some convincing that the theology for mandatory withholding of the chalice was the cause of the practice rather than the other way around.

Nowadays, of course, for RC clergy of a more traditionalist bent, communion in one kind is almost treated as part of the depositum fidei, and the administration of the chalice as a post-Vatican II import from Protestantism (pace the Orthodox, who have never stopped administering in both kinds). Some RC parishes I know are using the present health advice as a welcome and convenient excuse for abandoning this piece of "modernism" under the guise of medical necessity.

23 July 2009 at 17:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some people simply cannot help themselves Your Grace, the bilge pump is smoking at the gears today.

23 July 2009 at 17:48  
Blogger Young Mr. Brown said...

Anonymous 14:57 wrote "It seems that the clergy, under instruction from the Archbishop of York, had, during the sermon, told the congregation that they should not vote for a certain political party."

Do Church of England clergy really follow instructions from their bishops so slavishly?

23 July 2009 at 18:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Critical balance ? Are you really the BBC ??

23 July 2009 at 20:23  
Anonymous Cardinal Sin ? said...

Interesting as ever your excellency. Skill couldn't understand what your point is.... but then you are Anglican and Anglicans have pechant for going through the pros and cons of issues without making any kind of sense.

23 July 2009 at 20:27  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Does anyone listen to Bishops anymore ? Will this really effect the vote ?

I doubt it .

Anyway no-one in the right mind will vote labour ? will they?

23 July 2009 at 20:28  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

No Nonny, thank you for your condescension :o)

"surely if God had not wanted us to live by the knowledge of how infections spread, he would have prevented us from acquiring it?" That's an interesting notion - that God would prevent us from acquiring knowledge that might not be helpful to us. Hmmm. Not sure you've thought that one through!

"Are we to believe that He would prefer us to commit suicide by going to churches filled with the coughs and sneezes?" I suppose, by the same logic, the many great Christians past & present who choose to live and work amongst the downcast, unclean & unhygienic were also going against God's will. I'm constantly amazed by how the will of God for most western Christian's appears to be a life of comfort & ease. In the ministry I'm involved in, it's amazing how many people who can't hack it suddenly find that God is "calling" them to some other work. And here's the interesting thing ... God always seems to be calling them to something less demanding not more.

I've always thought that when I was sick - in body, mind or spirit - that I should be in church more than ever. I think it's very indicative of the state of the church that actually people tend to stay away from meeting with other members of their Christian family when they are sick, or fallen into sin, or depressed, or spiritually forlorn. The most amazing church congregations I've witnessed have been made up of drug addicts, prostitutes, the homeless & people dying of Aids. Still, better not let them take communion though ... they might catch something!!

Interestingly, Biblical standards of hygiene are millenia ahead of the NHS and the WHO. Can I recommend this book to see just how far ahead Divine revelation is as compared to human discovery.

23 July 2009 at 20:57  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Oops! This is the link

23 July 2009 at 21:02  
Blogger ZZMike said...

"Deliver them from the deceitful and wicked man..."

And from things that go bump in the night.

We here on this side of the Pond find it odd that your churchmen are so involved in politics. If one our bishops were to suggest, even offhandedly, that we vote for Mr X or for Party Y, there would be such an uproar, you wouldn't believe.

But then, our reilgious institutions are exempt from income taxes, and therefore feel it right and proper that they remain mute on certain issues of public policy.

Our gracious host once more outdoes himself in his knowledge of obscure words. (That facility was for a long time wielded by our own Bill Buckley.) "ponerology" indeed. I am almost always enriched, in one way or another, by my visits here.


Rebel Saint borders on the extreme [highlight "borders"]: "Would they ever have the faith or conviction to believe that partaking of the sacraments might actually HEAL some of their ailments?"

In this country, we have small congregations who, having read Scripture diligently with neither learning nor understanding, believe that a man of faith may handle poisonous snakes and partake of arsenic cocktails without injury. They are mistaken.

Should we say that at the Communion rail, after Mr A, having fallen to some communicable disease or another (doubtless due to his having fallen into sin somewhat earlier), partakes, then passes the vessel (chalice?) to you, that you might have no fear, the potent Symbols having neutralized the infection?


While we do have faith, we still get our smallpox innoculations.

"... what on earth does "intincts" mean?"

In Protestant churches, Communion is distributed either by "distribution of the elements" (church officers take around trays of bread bits and of grape juice ("that abominable fluid" - Joy Davidman (Mrs C.S. Lewis)), or "by intiction", in which communicants come up to the officers, break off a bit of bread, and dip it into a cup of juice.

It comes from the Latin intingere, meaning "to dip in". Its use is usually restricted to ecclesiastical circles; to say "Let's have a little intiction in the pool" is deprecated.

The form "intinct" as a verb is one of those grammatical horrors that have been foisted off upon us.

As I remember, only the Catholics believe that transubstantiation occurs. (And according to the news report posted by one of the Anonymii, the Catholic Church is also hedging its bets.)

Rebel Saint: "the many great Christians past & present who choose to live and work amongst the downcast, unclean & unhygienic were also going against God's will."

As I remember, Mother Teresa succumbed to old age, not one of the legions of diseases she came in contact with.

But, as usual, we digress.

23 July 2009 at 22:05  
Anonymous no nonny said...

"surely if God had not wanted us to live by the knowledge of how infections spread, he would have prevented us from acquiring it?" [...] Not sure you've thought that one through!"

Oh, but I have, Rebel Saint. You have misread. 2 -ves make a +ve: I say that God allowed us knowledge that would help us.

As to your 2nd point - I have myself worked with the sick in hospitals: hygiene helps prevent the spread of disease between patients, as well as between patients and carers. Indeed, by not practicing it we might be accused of both murder and self-murder!

In the case of Porcine Pestilence, as I understand it, the idea is to prevent the virus from spreading. Thereby, we may hope to reduce the risk of it's mutating into something more deadly.

23 July 2009 at 22:36  
Anonymous no nonny said...

p.s: my 2 -ves are 'not wanted' and 'prevented.' Stopping things requires negative force.

23 July 2009 at 22:42  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

ZZMike, Thank you for enlightening me as to the meaning & etymology of "Intinct". Not a word I shall ever choose to use again.

With regard to Mother Theresa ... I think you actually prove my point wonderfully. Though even if she had died ("committed suicide" - no nonny) of some dreadful contagious disease as a result of sharing the holy sacraments with those she dared commune with, I think she'd no-less deserve the honour that is bestowed upon her. I know of others who live, and work, and minister and share meals with those on the rubbish dumps of Manilla, or in the sewers of some South American country (I forget which one ... Colombia if memory serves me well). I hope those wonderful Christian brothers & sister always remember to wipe the chalice before passing it on!

I wondered how long it would be before the snake handlers would be mentioned. Don't think that is a practice which can be compared with the Holy Eucharist. But since you have ... at least they are willing to live & die by their convictions. Cf - "We are one body..." ... unless we might catch something from the unhygienic ones.

What I don't understand is why now. Surely if it's inherently unhealthy & unhygienic then we should stop the practice altogether. Right, no nonny?

23 July 2009 at 23:34  
Anonymous Andrew K said...

From the Diocese of London website:

"Formerly an Islington Councillor and Chair of its Development and Planning Committee, Peter Broadbent is a member of the Labour Party."

23 July 2009 at 23:56  
Anonymous G Eagle Esq said...

Your Grace

It is that confounded LAFFER CURVE, which your friend the Younger Mr Pitt discovered & learned from in 1784 :

Increasing Tax-Levels will eventually result in Reductions in Tax Receipts

"Socially-Caring" Illuminati & Cognoscenti defy it with entirely predictable results

Ecclesiarchs can enjoy the luxury of NOT having to live in the REAL WORLD - where so many little Families are losing Jobs, Homes and (for so many) Marriages ...... and (as they empty the Churches) at great eternal peril for so many in the Beloved Country

Bishops seem immune from any level of Accountability for their actions - they seem immune from being sacked until retiring age, whatever their conduct

Their Jobs, stipends and inflation-proofed Pensions are secure

As you found out in 1556, it was not so during the reign of that kindly Lady, Queen Mary

It is interesting that this wRetched Government's default position seems to be :

If it has any Life and is capable of any movement, over-tax it and over-regulate UNTIL it withers

eg with punitive stamp duty, the wRetched HIPS legislation CRIMINALIZES selling a House without a costly Energy Performance Certificate that is unwanted by House-Buyers

.... this has certainly not helped a faltering Housing Market, on which so much depends

Additional to difficulties from your inCorporeal existence, your Grace cannot now himself replace a broken window-pane in his Vicarage with an Identical Pane of Glass, without breaking the Law

UK unEmployment has reached 2.38 million officially = the sagacious Mr Fawkes calculates "in reality there are 5.4 million not in work who should be available for work"

?? How high does unEmployment have to reach before this Ecclesiarch & trendy-lefties WAKE UP and REALIZE that it is THEIR "socially-caring" Left-of-Centre policies that have increased Poverty by degrading the UK's Economy by over-taxation & over-regulation

I remain your Grace's obedient servant etc

G Eagle

For Wikepedia explanation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

wv = ouchi

24 July 2009 at 09:06  
Blogger dmk said...

I wonder if Your Grace would have posted on this if Bishop Pete Broadbent had encouraged people to vote Conservative? Or would that be his duty as a bishop anyway?

24 July 2009 at 09:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr DMK:

Do not waste hours in the wonderland of wondering. Simply inform His Grace of ALL examples of English Bishops encoraging people to vote Conservative, then note what happens.
(Hint: you won't find any.)

Otherwise, stop trying to score cheap points.

el Mirador

24 July 2009 at 10:30  
Blogger dmk said...

el Mirador - there were some high profile examples of Catholic Bishops encouraging people to vote a certain way on abortion and life issues, and it was very clear which party they were referring to.

I am making a serious point, is Cranmer opposed to any bishop making any recommendation about who to vote for, or is it just that he objects to the choice of party?

And it's probably best not to even think about a blogger who, under the psuedonym of a deceased Archbishop, exhorts people to vote Conservative.

24 July 2009 at 11:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr DMK:
The nexus between the Roman Catholic Church and Labour (at least in Scotland) is well known. Of course they should encourage their faithful to support Catholic teaching where individuals support that. And to oppose the majority of English Labour MPs who are agnostics or atheists.
Political parties are mixed bags, some nearer to Christian faith overall than others. For example, the former Labour MP for Norwich is an outspoken atheist, while Frank Field is a Christian. But overall, the Mandelson-Blair-Brown NuLabour has been antagonistic to Christian faith and practice.

el Mirador

24 July 2009 at 13:26  
Anonymous G Eagle Esq said...

Your Grace

I flatter myself that I agree with the well-informed & incisive Senor El Mirador on so many things

..... apart of course on whether the Archbishopric of Lichfield should be revived, while the Bishops of Derby & Southwell (and their expensive Diocesan & Cathedral Staff) are abolished to save money and to pay for the revived Archbishopric

... we could save even more Dollars by bulldozing Lichfield Cathedral in order to build Social Housing on the Site

However, if the youthful Master DMK's point be cheap (which is not admitted), he asks interestingly about your Grace's position in his latest Comment - your Grace's Congregation will be gratified by your Grace's riposte for this

Being a Raptor of but little brain, I do not follow or favour his ultimate paragraph

Your Grace may sadly be but attenuated Ashes, but Master DMK & we leave this distinguished & welcoming Space much better informed, even when [or especially when] in disagreement

Yr Grace's obedient servant etc

G Eagle

24 July 2009 at 13:37  
Anonymous no nonny said...

"Surely if it's inherently unhealthy & unhygienic then we should stop the practice altogether. Right, no nonny?"

No, I don't think that any more than that we should stop treating the sick in hospitals. I believe in the need for spiritual healing and sustenance; not just the physical.

24 July 2009 at 16:33  
Anonymous Nelson said...

Nasty as it is, I feel that the whole Swine Flu thing has been blown out of all proportion, We've always had flu & colds etc but the reaction to this borders on panic. Are We all supposed to sit at home & worry about what We might catch? What has happened to this Once great nation? If you get it then get over it, if you want to take communion, go to a Baptist Church, it might be Ribena or some such, but it comes in small seperate thimbles. Don't breathe in mixed company, get right with God NOW, you might die from flu or accident or even old age, one thing is for certain, living is fatal & death is 100% certain, get a grip folks.

25 July 2009 at 09:53  
Anonymous churchmouse said...

I agree on the "Panicdemic", Nelson.

Of course, one reason why we're not longer up to much is that large numbers of Mozzies run or work in chemists' shops. My computer news report quotes no other type of 'expert' - and one who claims they're running out of masks, etc. because of 'panic.' Such brave spokesmen, its seems, are unable to replenish their supplies in short order. So we'll have to panic on, regardless!

Actually, if the virus does mutate into deadly mode, it'll take me all my time not to go out and catch it deliberately! However, I wouldn't want to encourage Pig Plague to kill more people than necessary.

26 July 2009 at 00:55  
Blogger dmk said...

G Eagle Esq: I haven't been called 'youthful' for a while!

The final paragraph was a reference to a post here a couple of weeks ago, where His Grace encouraged people to vote Conservative because they might offer parliamentary time for a free vote on abortion reform.

And yes, my point remains a serious one. Is it that he's a bishop, or that he supports the wrong party? I'd also welcome the noble Archbishops view on whether the same argument applies to the parish clergy of the Church of England too.

27 July 2009 at 09:01  
Anonymous G Eagle Esq said...

Monsieur DMK

Sorry to be as ever so inSensitive

BUT, Meneer

As Herr Einstein observed of motion, so many things are a matter of Relativity

I have not been accused of being "youthful" for an even longer time

Alles Gute

G Eagle

27 July 2009 at 14:02  

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