Friday, July 10, 2009

Coptic Christian family deported

Scene: a house in a city suburb

Time: just before dawn

Action: a group of heavily armed uniformed men and women swoop to snatch the targets, surprising them as they sleep. The targets are just given enough time to dress before being bundled into vans and taken into custody.

Is this some BBC TV series, where macho men and women strive to save the nation from the deadly plots of pro-life Christians or Opus Dei?

Or is it a scene from a Le Carré or a Kafka novel where the dastardly police from East Germany or Mittel Europa swoop down on the enemies of the people? Or is it occupied France where the Gestapo are arresting members of the Maquis?

No.

It is last Wednesday in England.

The valiant assault team were Immigration Officers and police arresting a Coptic Christian Family to deport them back to Egypt.

Hany Ayoub Mansour, his wife Samah and children Nardin, 10, Karin, seven, three-year-old twins Bishoy and Anastasia, and one-year-old Angela, were seized by armed immigration officers in a dawn swoop on their home.

Hany was a businessman in Luxor, Egypt, but he and his family had fled to the UK four years ago after Muslim extremists burned his car, destroyed his house and tortured him. In short, he was a Christian fleeing persecution, and was granted safe refuge in the United Kingdom.

They were all asleep at their home in Manchester when there was a very loud knock at the door. By the time he had gone downstairs, their visitors had already snapped the chain and burst through the door.

Mr Mansour said: "There were about 14 officers in the house and more outside. They told me to sit in a chair and not move. They didn’t even let me go to the toilet. It was very frightening and my children were scared."

They took away Hany in one van and the mother and bewildered children in another.

The experience of Hany and his family is reminiscent of what happened to the Kachepa family in 2005, with a dawn raid at their house in Weymouth, and similar treatment with an estimated 19 police officers. They were bundled into a car and driven to Yarl’s Wood in Bedfordshire, with no time to eat or drink.

Cranmer has continuing concerns about the ‘open-door’ policy of this discredited government. There is a continuing flood of economic migrants entering the country, with especially large numbers from Pakistan. Migration Watch has drawn attention to the six-fold increase in remittances sent to Pakistan from this country since 2001, the number of bona fide workers has risen by 67 per cent. There could be as many as 200,000 Pakistanis working illegally in Britain.

Public dismay and anger over government incompetence leads it to seek the easy targets. Back in 2005, Ann Widdecombe said that when a government is target-based – in this case deportation – it will pick on the weakest.

Recently, the ever-vigilant Immigration Officers deported a group of teenagers who had journeyed to the UK from the First United Methodist Church of Okeechobee Florida. They had come to do missionary work at a church in Islington.

Now a Christian family will shortly find itself on a plane to Egypt to face an uncertain future. They do not know whether they will be subject to further persecution by extremists, but this is of no concern to Her Majesty’s Government.

Yet it is strange that when a Muslim terrorist faces deportation, concerns that the criminal might face ill treatment on arrival in his native country are sufficient to halt all deportation proceedings.

Human Rights, you see.

Some groups seem to have more of them.

Cranmer sincerely wishes the Mansour family well, and prays that they will not suffer a repeat of the persecution that drove them to the UK in the first place. But the situation for Copts is increasingly fraught; indeed, they are being systematically 'cleansed'.

Should the worst happen, the apparatchiks in this country have a time-honoured mantra: ‘Lessons will be learned’ they will say.

Indeed they will not.

57 Comments:

Anonymous non mouse said...

"There could be as many as 200,000 Pakistanis working illegally in Britain." Does Your Grace really believe that's all?

Of course, it all began at least 40 years ago - when they were rumoured to camp out in the tunnels at Heathrow, before they moved further inland, I assume. Or maybe before the could get jobs at Heathrow.

And in the present day, what about the constant flow through the channel tunnel - from "The Jungle"? The World Service reported on that a few days ago, saying that people-smuggling businesses move the migrants from there to here.

Not to mention the boat-people.

But Christians who have been granted asylum must be deported? Could it be that our ruling Marxist scum read the dystopias (esp. 1984 & BNW), and adopted them as models for government?

10 July 2009 06:03  
Anonymous Bethel said...

Join the BNP, love.

10 July 2009 07:26  
Anonymous len said...

The only lesson to be learned from this disgraceful episode is that this government is profoundly anti-Christian.

10 July 2009 08:03  
Anonymous Grumpy Old Man said...

Bethel. can you show me the bit in the BNP manifesto which says that non-white people who are christian refugees will be granted asylum? I seem to have missed that bit.

Your Grace, I respectfully submit that the proponents of "Progressive Liberalism" (or soft fascism as it should be named) within the Home Office have been conducting an unremitting campaign against all Christian denominations, especially in the last 12 years. Hence, teaching and nursing Christians can be sacked for articulating their faith, but Muslims are allowed to wear a headscarf, which is a sign of their faith. Muslims,apparently deserve "tolerance" more than Christians.
Progressive Liberals have been ably supported by the - to be kind - unworldliness of Canterbury, by his qualified support of the introduction of elements of Sharia Law into our legal codes, though their Graces York and Nazir-Ali have stood nobly against the dry rot of moral euivalence which affects Gods' house in England.

I thank you for your unremitting promulgation of and apologies for the Christian faith, and pray that you will continue your works for some considerable time.

10 July 2009 08:04  
Anonymous Voyager said...

I have not heard from any current Church of England prelates on this matter....

10 July 2009 08:09  
Blogger John Doe said...

Not my problem, my radar screen is blank on this one. I am persecuted in the name of all things foreign...all things. There are types who are quite, no, more than happy to see my own people crushed. This is the sort of crap the LibDems latch on to and ram down your throat.

Nick Bourne wants to scrap free perscriptions in Wales, I want a job, Coptic Christians can go home.

10 July 2009 08:38  
Anonymous Hmm said...

A most distressing episode. I hope that, having drawn our attention to it, His Grace will now set himself, just as forcefully, against the practice of deporting gay refugees back to countries like Iran in which they face violence and state-sponsored persecution. Otherwise he will earn the charge that he is, to coin a phrase, acting in bad faith.

10 July 2009 08:44  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Good insight:

‘Back in 2005, Ann Widdecombe said that when a government is target-based – in this case deportation – it will pick on the weakest.’

Administrative convenience.

This Christian family is deported and yet recently there have been a number of cases where homosexual Iranians habe been permitted to stay as it was argued that they may risk persecution if they return.

How different it was in the days of my Lord Oliver Cromwell when good Christian MPs would attempt to persuade King Charles I to relieve the siege of Protestant Christians at La Rochelle.

And in 1656 my Lord Protector admitted the Jews – my Father’s people.

But this morning, my heart possesses the substance of things not yet seen: hope for this country. We will live to witness an unprecedented revival of the historic faith. A free country once more; respected internationally; a beacon of liberty, security and freedom.

10 July 2009 08:54  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr/Miss/Mrs/Ms Hmm,

For your information, His Grace has commended highly the work of the Iran Liberty Association.

10 July 2009 09:02  
Blogger John Doe said...

Let's say you live in a four bedroom house, and every morning for one month, you wake up and find three new people eating your breakfast cereal downstairs in your kitchen. They are persecuted Christians with nowhere to live. At the end of the month, your house resembles a third world squat, and smells like one too. At the end of the month the police come and do the business and empty the house in the usual fashion. You and your kids are deeply upset, even though you can now eat in the kitchen, get to the lav, watch telly, your car is now yours again, the dog has not been kicked, their is no curry powder in your sugar bowl, you can identify everyone because they are not walking round like cousin IT, the thought police have nothing to persecute you for anymore, nobody cares that you have tattooed a crucifix on your child's face, nurses pray for people and it has the same effect that Rowan Williams has on the general public (Yawn), oh how terrible it all seems.

Where is the love of God in this attitude? I don't know, ask Him. There is only so much a mere mortal can do when his own government is happy to slaughter Innocent people by the thousands, and at the same time gag my mouth with regards to the state of my kitchen. I pray, and ponder the age old saying that God helps those who help themselves, a brutal and cavalier saying. So let the government do the slaughtering, I will watch my mouth, but cannot get upset when the same government decides to do me a favour for a change.

10 July 2009 09:03  
Blogger ProudGeordie said...

I don't care a jot for their religion. They had sought asylum here illegally, as they should have chosen a country bordering their own, or the next nearest to it. I do believe the nearest European country would be Spain?

Lets not discriminate here. Bogus asylum seekers, of any colour/race/religion/sex should be deported and detered from entering in the first place. End of story. If Egypt has a Muslim problem, it is Egypt's problem, not ours. We have our own Muslim problem now, because of this immigration swindle.

10 July 2009 09:11  
Blogger John Doe said...

Britain is not the creator of the world. It is not her duty or responsibility to behave like some kind of Utopian divine authority. It would be nice for me if we could sort the ills of the world out, but we are the arse that is closer to the excrement, rather than the mouth that takes in the nourishment.

Hospitality is not the be all and end all when it comes to making changes, grow up. The world started out like a jungle, it is how we found it. Heaven is like Heaven and it seeks to change the nature of us, but at the moment it is completely inhospitable because I am here in the physical world. Entry into Heaven is a brutal transition, an inhospitable thought to the mind of the mere mortal, and I pray for longevity in this miserable life. Employing everyone in your corner shop is not even remotely something to consider when addressing the local unemployment situation. Neither is filling up the Island of Britain with the rest of the worlds rejects. Sort the rest of the world out and make it hospitable would be the most sensible solution.

10 July 2009 09:27  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Your Grace

Here's a family that obeys the rules set by the Home office, surrenders their passports, reports regularly to the police at the appropriate time and place and waits for their case to be heard.

They did not scarper when their case was dismissed, they stayed in place, their children at school. The Home Office didn't have to put out a drag net to find them.

So why the bully boy macho approach? - the dawn raid, the beating down the door?

This is what the Home Office describes as 'humane treatment'.

The contrast with the kid gloves approach adopted for the high profile muslim agitators is stark.

All the hallmarks of a totally incompetent organisation out of control.

10 July 2009 09:55  
Blogger Gnostic said...

I think the point of His Grace's post is that genuine asylum seekers can be grabbed in the night and shoved into a deportation centre while terrorist scumbags, hatemongers and bogus asylum seekers are given the welcome mat and handed bags of taxpayers cash.

Do you really need a bunch of armed goons to storm a house in the early hours to arrest a sleeping family that poses no threat whatsoever? Where were the authorities when we had Muslims out on the street inciting people to commit murder?

This government is a complete shower of sh*t.

10 July 2009 10:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People of the proletariat status and below are being stoned in a barrel from all directions. Stuff the Coptic Christains...it's that simple. If your conscience has been pricked because you have lowered your moat drawbridge and taken a peek at reality, NOT MY IMMEDIATE PROBLEM. Pull up your draw bridge, because I will not hesitate to eat you also when I am hungry.

People should be under no illusion that when the Tories take over the farm, we will have the flesh striped from our bones in the name of Adam Smith and free trade.

10 July 2009 10:35  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

It may well be that some readers wonder what happened to this family’s human rights.

Article 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights (imported into domestic law under the Human Rights Act 1998 (this article is usually only triggered when another article is breached)) states:

The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.

It seems to me that the Left-liberal elite’s approach is to treat human rights very much in the same way that they treat the idea of free speech. They see free speech as a conduit through which people are persuaded or not persuaded to take action. However, to this conduit they have attached a valve, controlled by them, which allows them to decide which ideas shall pass into the community.

Article 14 on the face of it seems pretty much neutral to the casual reader. However, the Left-liberal elite’s assault on Judaeo-Christianity in this country has been largely successful; that has meant two things: the collapse of Judaeo-Christian values and the emergence of Left-liberal values to fill the vacuum in our national discourse. Having arrived at that point the Left-liberal elite can use Article 14 (widely written) to diminish the rights of Christians and promote the rights of, for example, homosexuals.

They do this all in the name of human rights.

10 July 2009 10:55  
Blogger John Doe said...

Gnostic


I can fully appreciate what he is saying, but I don't have the luxury of the two worlds that He/She (I sometimes wonder) has. We live in the world we find ourselves in.

Packing people into tower blocks is not the answer. It is arrogant and condescending. The love in this is superficial and self righteous, representative of the sort of middle class attitude of genetic superiority...bless the poor creatures. These people have it ingrained in them that the rest of us are here to serve them and make them wealthy...that is their primary objective.

They also want to be saved in Heaven, so packing persecuted people into tower blocks is their idea of Christian charity, and hey, get them to slave away in your factories, and you kill two birds with one stone. It is pure hypocrisy, so excuse me if I don't spread it on my toast.

10 July 2009 11:01  
Blogger Gnostic said...

JD What has class got to do with armed goons storming a family home in the middle of the night?

10 July 2009 11:21  
Blogger John Doe said...

Some people are prepared to cry over some things because they prick their short sighted conscience. Where were these people when they built these death trap tower blocks? Investing in the shares of the company that built them, and investing in the shares of the companies that build the prisons to house the criminal fall out of such degenerate places.

Who is pleading for our Christan conscience to have no more of these tower blocks? I am using this as an example to show you how these people just want to ease their conscience without effecting their profit. It is the system that creates poverty.

Storm troopers need little excuse these days, but I have more immediate concerns. I am not a priest..thank God I hear you say! But I reckon it is soooooooooooo much easier to be a happy middle class Christan pontificating about the consequences of one's own philosophical methods when it suits.

Its not nice that these Coptic Christians are in this position, but certain people have tunnel vision, ignoring what suits them and choosing the moral crusade that does not interfere with their ideology.

What has class got to do with it>? maybe if we all had to live in the same place then we would be more realistic about the ills of the world.

Its the old ivory tower situation. Look down and tell the surfs to stop complaining, then bolt up the draw bridge before the smell gets in.

10 July 2009 11:41  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Grumpy Old Man (08:04)—Bethel is right. The BNP is the only party that will keep Britain a Christian country, by dint of paying our Muslim friends to leave. Every other party, from Labour to Tory to UKIP, will surrender the UK to Islam.

10 July 2009 11:41  
Blogger Gnostic said...

I hear what you are Saying JD and understand the point you are making which does have merit. Hypocrisy is rife and out of sight is out of mind. All too true. Unfortunately I have to skedaddle in a moment so this reply is necessarily truncated.

10 July 2009 11:54  
Anonymous Laird H said...

The BNP are committed to stopping
non white immigration . They claim they are not racist and that it's human nature to wish to live collectively with the same ethnic group as oneself.

There was a general outcry against homosexuality on this site because of the essential difference to heterosexuality.I wonder how many Tory supporters secretly agree with
the BNP's immigration policy and indeed Labour supporters as well or is it a question of 'the truth that dare not speak its name'?

10 July 2009 13:26  
Blogger Manfarang said...

The BNP are also committed to stopping mixed marriage.It is human nature to fancy those who are of a different race.

10 July 2009 14:54  
Anonymous Orwellian Prophet said...

All illegals are treated equally but some illegals are treated more equally than others.

Why?
1 = Oil. We need it. Can't upset the Saudi's or anyone with significant reserves.

2 = Nation Building. Need Pakistani and Afghan help against Taliban, too many British casualties.

3 = Appeasement. May dissuade Iran from nuclear firework production.

4 = EUSSR. Euro-illegals dilute British culture.

5 = Votes. Too many of their countrymen are now British and vote for our 'Dear Leader.'

10 July 2009 15:08  
Anonymous churchmouse said...

Manfarang - you generalize (a logical fallacy!). You can, in fact, only speak for yourself and some of those you know.

Furthermore, the migrants and foreigners under discussion show no more interest in integrating through marriage than do the indigenes.

10 July 2009 15:20  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

God says in His Word how we are to treat the stranger/ foreigner in our midst! Because foreigners/ strangers, listed together with widows, and children, are the most vulnerable people in our society!

The British, the Dutch, the German police etc. are all made into the image of the American police!

No longer are they to serve the population, but to serve the TYRANTS who run / make yp our governments!

As I have sent out an e-mail recently: The way our police-forces are now recruited, dressed, equipped & trained, constitutes a DECLARATION of WAR of the government against it's own people!

There is ONE WORD to describe this: TYRANNY!


And there is only one answer to State-TYRANNY: REVOLT!

That is why we should not allow the authorities to rob us of our human right to own and use weapons in self-defense!

The ONLY reason for the laws that forbid us - in VIOLATION OF OUR GOD-given human rights - to posses and use arms, is for a TYRANNICAL government to control it's population! It is never to prevent criminals to own and use weapons; for they do not care about such laws! The lawabiding citizen does. And is thus made to serve the State as it's SLAVE! I thought the song goes "Britain never never shall be slave...ha...they are slaves of their own governments!!!

10 July 2009 15:28  
Anonymous Oncologist said...

Islam is a cancer.
You-know-who has the answer!

10 July 2009 15:31  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

Woe this world! This world is downside up!

The street rules, the nobles are slaves!

Immorality is now declared moral, lies the truth, evil good, criminals are treated with respect and human rights, victims are abandoned, left to bleed while the criminals are given all kinds of help-programmes, to study on the costs of the taxpayers/ victims, and get free medical care, while many hard workers can not afford it; their prison-food is of the very best quality, while the workers often have to find the cheapest stuff, and so forth.

This display of TERROR against harmless, innocent people, is something God has to revenge to those who are responsible. For if the government of a nation behaves like the very worst of criminals, and terrorists, who will judge those criminals but God, Who instituted the government Himself!

True! He often takes far too longt o our tasted! But then...he is not called the Ancient of Days for nothing!

10 July 2009 15:37  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Churchmouse
Yes when I was a boy I did have Anglo-Indian friends and I must say they are highly "integrated"(They all intermarried with the English).Their parents came to Britain sfter India became independent in 1947.There are a lot of Anglo-Indians(mixed Indian/European)in India.
There are a lot of Anglo-Burmese,but few of them live in Burma now.Of course Ne Win threw out all the "foreigners" from Burma.Look at Burma today,I don't need to tell you what the results of such a policy have been.
Of course in South Africa there are the Afrikaans speaking Cape Coloureds,a mixed race group in a society divided up on racial lines.
Many Black Americans are in fact coloureds.There was a group of Black people living in Britain about 200 yesra ago largely as a result of the slave trade.Some of this group intermarried so who knows who Churchmouse's great-great-great grandmother was!

10 July 2009 16:08  
Anonymous churchmouse said...

I know who they were, Manfarang.

10 July 2009 16:23  
Blogger Dr.D said...

"The British, the Dutch, the German police etc. are all made into the image of the American police!"

Where does this nonsense come from? How absurd! Have you ever seen the American police other than on TV?

10 July 2009 16:53  
Anonymous churchmouse said...

P.S: I don't have time for this, Manfarang - especially as it's off-topic. Miscegenation is clearly a fact of life.

You have, however, misinterpreted me. I merely observed that your generalization was illogical. I agree, therefore, that in some circumstances, places, and times, and for some reasons, some people will be attracted to other races than their own. The reverse is also true; doubtless there are all shades of variations on the theme.

10 July 2009 16:59  
Blogger UKViewer said...

Your Grace,

I think that the issue is not their Christianity. It is their abiding by the law and applying for Asylum officially, registering and living at a known address. In fact, being loyal to their country of refuge.

Unfortunately priorities for the Government are setting themselves targets for removals, and not meeting them. The only way to try to get the removal figures up, it to deny Asylum, or to ignore the situation in individuals country of origin and remove those people who has held to the rules.

Their treatment of the Ghurka's demonstrates their basic inhumanity and inability to see past the end of their Political Pay Packets and Expenses.

Political expediency will in the end be their downfall.

Now, if HM could be prevailed upon by Your Grace to dissolve Parliament as not working, and allowing the Lord's to run the show for a while, we might have more productive government.

10 July 2009 17:00  
Blogger ZZMike said...

The knock on the door at dawn, the armed squad sweeping through...

East Berlin or East Bournemouth?

Fortunately for the forces of freedom and justice, the mad mullahs can sleep safely in their British beds, dreaming of their next speech in the mosques calling down the wrath of Allah upon the infidel state of Britain. ["British beds" - I couldn't think of the term for "taxpayer-supplied" / "on-the-dole".]

Formerly Great Britain.

Anonymous (10:35): "NOT MY IMMEDIATE PROBLEM."

See Niemoller, Martin (ca. 1955): "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;....."

Manfrang: "Many Black Americans are in fact coloureds."

I can assure you, to an American this is very strange indeed. Perhaps there's some sort of British-English nuance in "coloured" that we Americans are not aware of.

We've dropped the term "colored" since the 50s or so, though one of our organizations is still called the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) - that's a holdover from when it was formed, back in the 40s or 50s. The full title is never used.

Academics and other "people of sensitivity" prefer the term "people of color", as that embraces not just blacks but all the other non-Caucasian peoples. (On the other hand, I never hear of Asians aligning themselves in that class.)

If I understand the term, "coloured" refers to a person whose ancestry is not 100% African-origin.

In this country, back in the good old days of Southern plantations and the labor of happy slaves (an institution promoted and defended to the end by Southern Democrats), a 1/16 part African origin was sufficient to get you related to the back of the bus. (That goes back to the 4th generation.)

"There was a group of Black people living in Britain about 200 years ago..."

What happened to them? That would be about the time of the American withdrawal from His Majesty's benevolent protection (~1776).

"A massive increase in workers remittances to Pakistan ..." (From the Migration Watch site).

They put the figure at a little over US$500 million (about GPB300 million). Remittances have gone up 5-fold, while Pakistani employment numbers have gone up about 80%.

The only logical conclusion is that Pakistanis are now working in the most highly-paid jobs in the country. Such as (perhaps) head of the BBC, MPs, international bankers, ...

We have a similar problem here. Remittances to Mexico may be the only thing shoring up that fragile economy.

Every once is a while there's talk of putting a tax on it, but for some incomprehensible reason, that's the only thing our politicians won't tax. Everything else is fair game.

10 July 2009 17:22  
Blogger John Doe said...

How many of these 'Christian' bleaters would be prepared to fill their own houses with Coptic Christians? Oh no....best foist them off into council estates. I wouldn't mind betting that the Copts where not living in a tower block, which is another big WHY? We have people on housing lists for years and eventually get allocated a sardine cage in a tower block, then along comes Johnny Coptic who moves in to a twenty five bedroom house to accommodate his tribal needs.

It's obvious that they have been scape goated here, but tough. keep the pressure on I say because if you let them, they will walk all over you. The trouble with the Brits is they have been subdued into silence for too long, it's time to start speaking up because if the third world is anything, it is not backward in coming forward maties. If all you are prepared to do is spark up another cigarette and put put the kettle on to calm your nerves, then you will soon find your selves taken for granted.

MAKE YOUR FEELINGS KNOWN. Never mind all these posh gits in Ivory towers. They are more than happy to use your own insecurities against you, piling on the guilt trips and emotional blackmail...tell them to get to bollocks. We will sort the world out after we have put our own house in order. All things in due course and moderation.

10 July 2009 17:39  
Anonymous not a machine said...

The case of the coptic christians will do Egypt no favours , they should have made the case for them earlier .

this case only highlights the agonies of we face with our brothers and sisters under this dreadfull government.

10 July 2009 18:07  
Anonymous David Murdoch said...

Aren't there other countries that they could have sent them to where they wouldn't be subject to persecution? Canada may have admitted them under refugee status.

God Bless,

10 July 2009 19:37  
Anonymous Sandy Jamieson said...

It is sad to reflect that one of the oldest Christian Church in Britain was probaly a variation of the Coptic Church in that St.Colomba's (who landed in 560AD)Celtic church was derived more from the Coptic version of Christianity rather than the Romish one
Modern Copts are less welcome than they were fiteen hundred and forty none years ago

10 July 2009 19:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a lovely looking family. Now if only Mr Mansour had put hijabs and burqas on them, tey's be here for the next ten years ...

10 July 2009 20:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'tey's'...argh, 'They'd'

10 July 2009 20:10  
Anonymous Orwellian Prophet said...

This link to a facebook entry suggests that it may still be possible to stop this deportation.

Urgent - Appeal to save the Mansour family from deportation

There is a link to a petition and details of ministers and officials to email etc.

If you want to help, best do it quickly.

10 July 2009 20:28  
Anonymous the old bean said...

Your Grace, this is very sad. Thank you for covering it.

10 July 2009 20:29  
Anonymous Orwellian Prophet said...

Re: Urgent - Appeal to save the Mansour family from deportation
The link in my earlier post won't work.
If you want to help them please copy and paste the following into your browser instead.
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=93550349929&ref=mf

10 July 2009 20:44  
Anonymous Hank Petram said...

@ ZZMike

"There was a group of Black people living in Britain about 200 years ago..."

What happened to them? That would be about the time of the American withdrawal from His Majesty's benevolent protection (~1776).


When Bristol was still the main port for the slave trade, before the rise of Liverpool, visitors to the city were struck by the number of Africans they saw there. Many of them were "servants", slavery being technically illegal in Britain. Presumably they left descendants who just merged into the general population.

11 July 2009 03:35  
Anonymous not a mouse said...

Hank, ZZ - the DNA database at Oxford probably holds answers to your question. I suspect the numbers, the descendants, and therefore the influence on British genetics, are less significant than some people would like.

11 July 2009 08:41  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

@ Dr.D: Yes, I have experienced American police and other authorities that - under the excuse of 'war against terror' terrorise ALL VISITORS TO AMERICA, harrassing them all (for which they pay a pretty penny to pay for their unvoluntary harrassments and humiliations!), as all visitors (who have to go through a separate line - this is APARTHEID by the USA) are considered and harassed as TERRORISTS until proven innocent!

Just watch this treament of an elderly lady by such a baboon - the US-police and such are hired for having no brains, or if they have, for putting their brains on ice...their cold behaviour is utterly unfriendly, yes, hostile, to normal people and normal society! And it is a DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST THE PEOPLES HOW THEY ARE DRESSED, EQUIPPED AND TRAINED!

Click on: Unedited Dash Cam Footage of Grandmother Being Tased
My comment there: This is VERY UNPROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOR BY THE POLICE- even worse: of his sergeant who backs him up. I would have both put on non-active duty to investigate if these arrogant, unprofessional dictators (that are supposed and payed by the public to be servants of the public!) that police nowadays seem to have become, should be taken off of the force! To let a speeding charge, which is a minor -fellany if that, get so out of hand, is unprofessional and the public deserves to be kept free from such individuals. I would also check the whole precinct for lack of professionalism and for a public-hostile culture!

11 July 2009 12:44  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

And what about this: what did this young man in the 'Land of the Free' do wrong by asking a normal question that so many police overpowered him, and tasered him, though the young man who was down did not resist them? This is POLICE-TERROR!

And our police, in the UK, Netherlands, Germany, etc. are being made clones to these US-baboons! More and more also euippeded to become the very worst enemy of the people of the land - who are forced by their taxes to even pay for it. As LENIN said: "We will hang you, and you will pay for the roped we hang you on!"

Be also dismayed by the behaviour of all other studenst and the Presidential Candidate - the speaker - Kerry himself. The young man is not helpen by anyone...they just choose to stay away for helping him. If all students had stood up to stand by him, the police would have done nothing! Click here: SHOW OF POLICE TERROR in US-University

My comments there: These police are absolutely NUTS! This is so incredibly unprofessional! The young man asked a legitimate question, and the dombo gorilla police who have cereals for brains apperently, tased the young man, laying on him 10 men strong (this is abolute POLICE-BRUTALITY!) ! The police should ALL BE ARRESTED and put out of the police force! WHAT IS ABOLUTELY ASTONISHING TO ME IS THE FACT THAT THE PUBLIC BEHAVED LIKE DUMM SLAVERISH SHEEP! Not one student came to the help! And the speakers: CRIMINALS! The taser use is UNPROFESSIONAL...and cowardly of the unprofessional police - they sit on him - he is going nowehere and these criminal police tase the young men several times. They should be arrested for it and thrown out of the force!

11 July 2009 12:53  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

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11 July 2009 13:10  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Dutchlionfrans1953,

While the clip to which you link - one in which a student is apparently arrested and tortured for asking about a politician's membership of secret societies - raises very important issues of liberty and freedom of speech, your subsequent post was gratuitously offensive.

11 July 2009 14:17  
Blogger Dr.D said...

@dutchlionfrans1953: You speak of harsh treatment on arrival in America. That would not be the police but rather the immigration service, and in my limited experience, they can be pretty rough in every country. I've had some pretty unpleasant dealings with them in other countries, so don't think your experience is unique. Their job, as they see it anyway, is not to make friends but to protect.

With regard to the tasering of a student, I think that was done by the campus cops, quite a different organization from the police. Just about every University, of which there are hundreds, has its own little "police force" which nothing to do with the actual police. These people are the lowest of the low, usually cannot tie their own shoe laces, and are considered buffoons by one and all. Their principal duties are directing traffic, and when they get an opportunity for "action" they tend to go overboard. Every society has its idiots; ours are called campus cops. (I say this as a retired university professor.)

11 July 2009 15:32  
Anonymous David Arlan said...

Your Grace:

Communicants might wish to sign an online petition at: http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/appeal-to-save-the-mansour-family-from-deportation/sign.html

"Appeal to save the Mansour family from deportation."
The petition reads: "We, the undersigned, call on the British Government to reconsider the deportation of the Mansour family. There are many controversial issues in this case and we believe that their human rights have been infringed."

(The link provided by Orwellian Prophet doesn't seem to work.)

11 July 2009 22:20  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

@ Archbishop Cranmer: You found my comment offensive? Why? I am sorry. How can I otherwise make a point? Jesus Christ named King Herod: That FOX. And the Pharisees and Scribes: Sons of vipers. Would you have removed His comment too?

Because I called the US-police that taser grandmothers and students baboons that have no brains, or put them on ice? How would you call them otherwise? They have/ show no human feelings, compasion, and act worse than robots. Our police are learning to become just like these Americans: Tasering a grandmother for speeding (driving 60 miles in a 45 mile zone...a minor fellany)

I am sorry if you found my comment offensive. I fail to see it.

Dr. D.: Did you watch the video of the police tasering the grandmother as he handled this minor fellany in a very unprofessional way?? Refering to the police who tasered the student: I do not think these were Campus Cops. For Campus Cops do not have the authority to use a taser. If they do, things are even worse in the USA then I thought! And since the speaker was Presidential Candidate Kerry I think the security of the event was not left to amatures like Campus Cops, but to specialised real police.

11 July 2009 23:13  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

@ Dr. D: The people at US airports that are hired ...under the guise of 'war against terror' professionaly harass all passengers which are considered TERRORISTS until they have proved to be otherise. There are controls of every kind. Not just borderguards that would check the passports, like at borders of any nation. The passengers have no choice but to even pay a lot of money for the 'privilige' of being subjected to this kind of humilating treatment and harassment, where every word you speak that these over-sensitive controlers do not like will get you into handcuffs off to questioning. NO, this is NOT like any other border I have ever experienced. And I have crossed many in my life.

Passengers are made to feel very unwelcome by this kind of abusive, terrorist treatment by the authorities at the borders of the USA nowadays!

And do you really think they will find terrorists this way?

Results there are: I stay away from these USA! I do not trust the authorities in the USA one bit!

This is a 180 degree turn from my even 10 years ago trying to emigrate to the 'land of the free.' As it has now become the land of State-tyranny!

And the USA welcomed 100.000 unschooled illiterate muslims that did not speak English every year for 10 years - that is 1 million muslims that had no or hardly any qualifications!

At the same time they made and make it virtually impossible to me to immigrate into the USA, though I speak English fluently; I am a professional Naval Officer, and served even for one year on board of the USS John King (DDG-3); and I qualify in many other ways, like that I am a born-again Spirit-filled Christian who attended Bibleschools in the USA; I was raised in a culture that is not hostile to the culture of the USA, as a friend of the USA, unlike most muslims, etc.

Do you think the US-government to be so stupid, or, what I am convinced of: The US-government is NOT stupid but has done this on purpose, according to the plans of those in real power (behind the scenes, invisible to the public eye). Now it's up to you to try to decypher their motives! I can tell you my thoughts, but my posting is already quite long.

11 July 2009 23:36  
Anonymous A contra mundum said...

I agree with anonymous .If they were Islamic they could have stayed.
I object strongly to the visible presence of Islam in Britain.I am
deeply offended by the wearing of the hijab and burka in public.It is not a national costume it is
a provocative act to offend Christians the majority demographic in this country.What would happen to me if I wore a crown of thorns,stigmata and carried a cross in public.?

12 July 2009 00:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The family in question were apart of our community. Our children played together and they are missed alot. My children ask where are their friends? my children had to watch their friends when they were placed in the van. We were not able to ask, are you alright?

12 July 2009 21:07  
Blogger GURU said...

The policy of deporting persecuted Christians from the UK will have disasterous consequences. God's wrath is already upon the UK and much of the west for the decline in moral standards. Kicking out the 'Body of Christ' is like kicking out Christ from the UK. There is a need for power intercessors and prayer warriors in the UK to plead the 'blood of Christ' upon this country, on a downward spiral towards the devils lair. God bless you all! Christians - PLEASE WAKE UP!!!!

13 July 2009 07:15  
Anonymous len said...

Guru,
The only thing holding back the avalanche of evil which is going to flood this world is the Holy Spirit.
The restraints are gradually coming off man and his true fallen nature is being revealed.
When God removes His restraining hand from this world all hell will break loose.
We Christians need to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit like never before.
We do indeed need to wake up!

14 July 2009 17:52  

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