Monday, July 06, 2009

David Cameron: my belief in Israel is ‘very deep and inside of me’ and ‘indestructible’

It is a bold politician these days who talks of his support for Israel as being ‘indestructible’. For David Cameron, it is not simply a matter of intellectual assent or political expedience, but something he feels ‘very deep inside’ of him.

Against increasing anti-Israel sentiment and expressions of anti-Semitism, one may well ask what is the source of Mr Cameron’s feeling, and why is he giving this feeling any credence at all? For this feeling which is ‘very deep inside’ of him is love.

He just did not call it so.

He spoke of being an ‘unswerving friend’ to Israel, and not only an unswerving friend, but also a ‘true friend’. This is not so much the phileo love of friendship – even though it doubtless be that – or the storge of kinship, but the agape which endures for better or worse. In promising to be ‘a critical friend’, he assures Israel that, although her actions may at times be repellent or offensive, she shall be supported by a Cameron-led government because unconditional love demands precisely that: it is an unbreakable bond.

But if this love does not have its origins in ‘the tragedies of history’ or ‘the realities of today’ or even the Conservative Party’s ‘unstinting support for Israel through the decades’, whence comes it?

When something is spoken of as being ‘very deep inside’ of one, it is effectively written on one’s heart. David Cameron has previously spoken of himself as being a Zionist – again, fearless in his use of a religio-political construct which has, wrongly and unjustifiably, acquired all manner of offensive connotations.

By expressing his love for Israel, Mr Cameron is giving his imprimatur to the Conservative Friends of Israel, to the accomplishments of Lord Balfour, and to the Christian Zionist movement. When he speaks of ‘the right of Israel to exist, to defend itself and to live in peace and security’, he affirms not only the Jewish national homeland but also the unique contribution that Judaism has made to the culture and history of all mankind.

Israel is fallible, sometimes cruel, harsh, unjust and infuriating. But so are all family members, and, although such behaviour may cause us occasionally to dislike them, the love endures; indeed, it is strengthened, for it shown not to be based on the superficial and seeming. And Israel is family, not merely by the historic virtue of Lord Balfour’s patronage, but because we are united in the fraternity of democracy and by the good and noble pursuit of liberty and justice.

The roots of Zionism are deep in history and theology. It is acutely political because it is concerned with the outworking of the religion of a people living in a land surrounded by those who seek to ‘cleanse’ them, purge them, eradicate them from that which they were legitimately bequeathed in perpetuity.

The source of David Cameron’s love for Israel is God, for he is the source of all love. And this love is not a defensive reaction to Jewish victimhood and martyrdom, or to the abhorrent denigration of Judaism, but an expression of unbreakable Christian solidarity in a world of aggressive secularism, hostile atheism and enlightened liberalism.


Blogger John Doe said...

Your Grace puts Mystic Meg to shame. Speaking of shame, it's a shame dave has to rely on His Grace's mind reading talents, and could not find these words himself.

6 July 2009 at 12:06  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

I applaud Mr Cameron’s support of Israel – which will resonate with many religious communities in Britain – except of course with the majority of Muslims.

However, on the issue of homosexual rights – he has managed to alienate all religious communities.

Is baroness Warsi advising him?

6 July 2009 at 12:23  
Anonymous digger said...

you are effectively accusing 'call me dave' of being sincere.

is that a first?

6 July 2009 at 12:23  
Anonymous BillyBob Baxter. said...

"..that which they were legitimately bequeathed in perpetuity."

That sir, is surely is a matter of opinion, not fact.
We may agree to disagree, or we could wage war...

6 July 2009 at 12:24  
Anonymous P V V 4 me said...

I see the Chinese Communists have pacified a Muslim riot by sending them off to meet their virgins:

I wonder if the western Bleeding Hearts will be protesting against the Chinese like they do when the Israelis produce a few cuts and grazes on Muslims who are trying to murder them?

Where's Lord Ahmed when you need him?

6 July 2009 at 12:35  
Blogger D. Singh said...


God gave it to the Israelis - through prophecy, promise and war.

The Israelite conquest of the Promised Land holds many lessons for our spiritual growth.

The copnquest was preceded by reconnaisance gained by the CIA.

6 July 2009 at 12:39  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Whilst I applaud "Dave" for the degree of boldness he has shown in support of Israel, love (if that is what it is) is a verb. It would be nice to know if those feelings which are 'very deep inside him' will come to the surface in terms of concrete actions.

6 July 2009 at 12:52  
Anonymous BillyBob Baxter. said...

Ah, Mr Singh, thankyou, chocran...

This "God", he is mentioned much, in the talkings of men...(and far less in the lives of women!), but as there is no paperwork, surely a verbal agreement with an imaginary being cannot hold holy water in a court of law?

6 July 2009 at 12:57  
Blogger Ian said...

As much as I would like to believe that DC has a vision for Britain and offers some form of hope for the future I believe he is in denial of the truth of our spiritual welfare and the state of our country.

He is however an accomplised politician, astute of the nuances necessary to charm people. However when you join the dots all you see is a tangled chaos.

In his speech he talks of broken Britain and the broken family the very bedrock of our society.

A couple of days difference he is talking of profound regret at supporting one of the very laws trying to uphold that bedrock. Notably section 28.

All the evidence suggest that the destruction of the family and the rise of the homosexual lobby are two pivotal signposts to the path of destruction of our nation, undermining families, reaping hell on children's lives.

Mr. Cameron in the space of 2 days takes a stance on both 180 degree diametrically opposed positions believing as did Tony Blair that the power of his charm is enough to convince us that they are the same thing.

I fear for our future.

Mr. Cameron doesnt either understand the forces he is dealing with or like Blair is so corrupted by them that he seeks to fool us that black is white.

Worrying times ahead...

6 July 2009 at 13:01  
Blogger D. Singh said...

BillyBobBaxter - shalom

Here are some women whom He loved:

Brigid of Ireland ; Claire of Assisi; Colette of Corbie and Hildegard von Bingen to name but a few.

The Ten Commandments were not written on paper. And there is the Old and New testaments.

As to the ‘imaginary being’ try telling that to the Egyptian soldiers chasing Moses whom God destroyed. The evidence for the crossing has now been admitted to by the Egyptians – the area is under patrol by Egyptian naval gunboats.

Verbal covenants and contracts are enforceable in international law.

6 July 2009 at 13:12  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

For your younger communicants - around the world.

The Judaeo-Christian faith is not a matter of mere blind faith - it is also supported by historical evidence.

6 July 2009 at 13:35  
Anonymous BillyBob Baxter said...

Ah, Sidi Singh...
So this "God", he had a woman or two, but the great Moulay Idriss Mohammed (of Baghdad and Fez),had a hundred wives and a thousand children, all having flown from the loins of Abraham.

Which is where the problems began, nicht war?
Now the frontiers of zionism are expanding, like the cost of war...

Whereby, the lord Blair did say unto his people that the rulers of Baghdad were possessed of WMD`s and he did plead with his treasuries, and with his soldiers, that they would wage war upon the tribes of the Euphrates.....
Verbal codswallop, and venal untruths, but there we are.


6 July 2009 at 13:41  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Cameron's vision of leadership is that of the three wise monkeys after a three day, hard core booze binge: beer-goggled, oblivious and incoherant.

While I believe that maintaining friendly diplomatic relations with Israel is laudable, Cameron should turn his gaze closer to home and deal with the not so diplomatic relations we have with an increasingly tyrannical EU.

Or is that too difficult for him to understand?

6 July 2009 at 13:53  
Blogger D. Singh said...

BillyBob Baxter

If Dr D. Kelly had not been terminated he would have told the truth.

'They' knew he was not going to lie.

This government would have been brought down and it is unlikely the Lisbon Treaty would have been signed.

There is still one more piece in the jigsaw.

Did Her Majesty sign the Lisbon Treaty before or after the termination of Diana?

You must remember that in one of her speeches at the time she mentioned 'dark actors' at play?

6 July 2009 at 13:57  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

...a people living in a land surrounded by those who seek to ‘cleanse’ them, purge them, eradicate them from that which they were legitimately promised in perpetuity.

Good God, Cranmer, it is the Palestinians—the original inhabitants of the land—who are in danger of being eradicated. Israel kills eleven Palestinians for every one of her own who perishes.

And as for ‘legitimately promised in perpetuity’, you have to be joking. Legitimately promised by whom? By the British, by the League of Nations? What God-given right did we have to make any perpetual promise to anyone?

Even supposing that we did have such a right, Balfour’s letter to Lord Rothschild says this: His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Israel has conspicuously failed to keep her side of the bargain, so your ‘legitimate, perpetual promise’ is dead.

Which brings us to your wonder boy, Cameron. Cast your mind back a few years to his article, What I learned from my stay with a Muslim family. If only Dave loved the indigenous British as much as he loves the Jews and Muslims.

6 July 2009 at 14:02  
Anonymous BillyBob Baxter. said...

Saludos, Señor Singh.

Ah yes, dark actors indeed... How the establishment moves, and seeks to empower itself.... The treaty of Lisbon is of little strength against the clanship of Moscow, Mumbai and Peking.... and the oil and gas of Iran.

How the days before the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq filled the world with woe.... The attacks of 9/11...the bombings of 7/7...the killing of Kelly...

Sometimes maybe it`s better to be Manuelian... and to "know nothing", but then again there are many who allege that there were other "players" who really did do 9/11, which prompted God to tell G.W. Bush to invade Iraq...

Of course, we only have Bushes` word that he was spoken to by God.

Anyway, must go...toodle pip...
Nurse is calling, time for medication...

Hasta luego!

6 July 2009 at 14:30  
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6 July 2009 at 14:34  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Instead of trying to "do" a world statesman Blair, I'd like to know what Cameron and his muppets are going to do about travesties of justice like this?

This man got his children taken into care, his wife arrested and himself SECTIONED under the Mental Health Act - without seeing any doctor - for being a concerned parent and for questioning the legitimacy of the social worker and police officers the school sprung on him. It seems the children are still in care. WTF is wrong with this bloody country?

6 July 2009 at 14:37  
Blogger Ian said...

" is the Palestinians—the original inhabitants of the land—who are in danger of being eradicated..." - Johnny Rottenborough

There have been Jews living in "palestine" (there is not nor has there ever been a country called palestine) which was the land known as Israel 3000 years ago. They are as much inhabitants of this land as anyone else.

"...that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." and
"Israel has conspicuously failed to keep her side of the bargain, so your ‘legitimate, perpetual promise’ is dead". - Johnny Rottenborough

There are Israeli arabs living with full citizen rights in Israel today. Alot of arabs were ordered to leave prior to 1948 as it was the intention of the invading 6 arab armies to drive all the inhabitants in to the sea. I am not sure of the percentage of non Jews living in Israel today by I think its over 10%. In 1948 every arab nation drove its Jewish inhabitants from its lands confiscating all of their assets, down to even the jewellry on the fingers of the women. Some of these people had lived there for 100's and 100's of years. How many Jews remain or could remain living in arab countries today? Also palestinians have one of the fastest rising demographics of any people today. Some eradication.

I think if you are going to get emotional over Israel, it would be wise to avail yourself of its history, lest you undermine your position.

6 July 2009 at 14:40  
Blogger John Doe said...

A very brief history of the Muppet state of Israel:

The war ended and the west needed a foothold in the desert. Dah dah. Enter the Muppet stage.

Has anyone mentioned oil? OK.....OIL!

6 July 2009 at 14:47  
Anonymous Freddy Ferdler said...

I get it!

This is Cranmer's entry for 'sanctimonious claptrap of the year award'

6 July 2009 at 14:56  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

Israel is a dangerous nation: A threat to world peace! Now I did not always have this conviction. But the facts made me to see this.

Israel has 3 Dolphin-class attack-submarines that are capable of launching cruise-missiles with nuclear heads.

Israel does NOT need such weapons of agressive terror! It shows, together with the quotes of important Israelis how evil Israel's intentions are to the world.

Now, this is not christianesely- correct and Cranmer has removed my comments about Jews and Israel in the recent past because he did not agree with them (so much for free speech here), making himself do the very same thing he condemns in the Politically-Correct people.

One: I am not anti-Jew. How could I be a disciple of Jesus Christ, if I hated anyone? But I am anti-lie! So, the truth MUST be said, and those who prevent it, do not serve The TRUTH, Jesus Christ, no matter how much they claim to do so.

6 July 2009 at 15:03  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

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6 July 2009 at 15:07  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Ian (14:40)—I had thought that the building of the Israeli ‘security wall’ and the concomitant swallowing up of even more Palestinian land could be construed as prejudicing the civil rights of non-Jews. Clearly, I was mistaken. Mea culpa.

6 July 2009 at 15:08  
Blogger Ian said...

@ Ian (14:40)—I had thought that the building of the Israeli ‘security wall’ and the concomitant swallowing up of even more Palestinian land could be construed as prejudicing the civil rights of non-Jews. Clearly, I was mistaken. Mea culpa. - Johnny Rottenborough

Thats ok Johnny - you're forgiven.

6 July 2009 at 15:18  
Blogger Ian said...

"I am not anti-Jew" Dutchlionfrans1953

er Dutch if looks like a duck...

6 July 2009 at 15:20  
Blogger Ian said...

the Muppet state of Israel - John Doe

another Jew hater and one not to let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory / rant.

The war in the west ended in 1945.

Jews had been arriving in "palestine" for well over twenty years before that. The balfour declaration was partly the result of that and the zionist movement through Theodor Hertzl had started to articulate its views in the 1880's.

6 July 2009 at 15:26  
Blogger John Doe said...


I am not a Jew hater. I just do not confuse my agenda with that of the capitalist pigs. I wish the Jews all the best, and indeed hope they eventually rid their land of the pest 'Islam'. Then we can all help re-built the temple.

The conservatives maybe friends of Israel, but lets not all be deluded as to why. I can sense others in here who feel the same about the Jews; they are part of the story, and paradoxically, it is all God's will, but like I say, do not let Cranmer's honey coated bullshit delude you into thinking that the conservatives are somehow holy-minded.

6 July 2009 at 15:43  
Blogger John Doe said...

Never underestimate the power of prayer. It has been scientifically proven that observation does effect empirical results. Take a look on Google and find out what the power of prayer does to water molecules.

Here is a true story. A simple story but let those with ears hear.

My daughter has a four foot aquarium in her room containing four large gold fish, they about six years old now. I hardly ever go near her room, it is a health hazard. She brought to my attention that the fish tank was in need of a clean! Understatement of the century. The water was nearly black. I placed the fish in a separate bowl and drained the was nothing less that toilet water.

All of the fish were in very bad shape...large red warts on each head. i took some pics along to the aquarium center and the nice man said it would be best to put them out of their grief. Oh no, said I!

Prayer and supplication into the tank! Daily for weeks.

The fish?.....Warts completely gone, swimming like new born babies.

Am I suggesting that God has nothing better to do than attend to my every whim? No, not at all, but I am categorically stating that prayer has a powerful and effective energy.

Let those who have ears hear!

6 July 2009 at 16:06  
Blogger Constantine XI said...

Your Grace,

Sadly like most topics on this subject, this discussion has turned into a bit of a farce. I sense some are putting their own BBC fed emotions into the whole subject and are not truly looking towards God's word in the Scriptures.

For example if I were to say that the great Constantinople is rightfully Hellenic and that those Turks currently in residence in what is known as Istanbul, people would also try and bite my head off. I blame a bad education system myself, too much PC clap trap.

6 July 2009 at 16:25  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Far be it from me to scoop oil off troubled waters, but, if Israel rightfully belongs to the Jews because they were there first, then should not the good people of the United States hand their country back to the Native Americans?

6 July 2009 at 17:44  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Johnny Rottenborough said..."Good God, Cranmer, it is the Palestinians—the original inhabitants of the land—who are in danger of being eradicated.

That's very very funny. Unintentional though I presume.

A very simple exercise in something called "counting" will demonstrate just why that is so hilarious.

6 July 2009 at 17:53  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Doe

You are aware that our politicians answer to a higher power, which is certainly not God the father. Good for you.

However please be reminded it is not money, the free-market, or free anything, that our political class answer to.

These particular powers that be issue and print all of the WORLDS currency. Therefore they do not need even more glorified fancy toilet paper. What these people want, and are utterly determined to get, is all of the real wealth of this entire planet, your eternal soul, and what is left of your free mind.

Therefore IMO

With no more then extra time left to play. I make THEM 20 odd goals in the lead. With US down to 3 fit players. Who have all had their shoe lace's tied together, and have a blind, armless, witless, long since corrupted puppet, named Gordon in goal.

Good luck my friend, we are all going to need it this time.

6 July 2009 at 18:14  
Anonymous not a machine said...

It is difficult to understand an Israel that is not a physical piece of land .

An Israel that sees the work of christ is a foundation .

6 July 2009 at 18:54  
Blogger John Doe said...

"Good luck my friend, we are all going to need it this time."

Gambling is a sin!

6 July 2009 at 19:07  
Blogger John Doe said...

God does not want you to throw the dice and spit for luck.

Repent and be baptised in the name of the Lord!

6 July 2009 at 19:10  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Rebel Saint (17:53)—I’ve looked again at my comment but it still strikes me as being correct. When population A is out-killing population B, it is population B that will disappear.

6 July 2009 at 19:32  
Anonymous len said...

The Israel/ Arab conflict is not about geography but about jew hatred;Throughout the Islamic as well as Christendoms history Jews have been persecuted, the persecution of Israel is just the same as the old antisemitism.
The Arab refuges are being used as pawns to create a terror breeding ground as a form of aggression against Israel.
(The words of Walid Shoebat former P L O member)

6 July 2009 at 20:26  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Novel notion of dear, sweet, innocent, loving Hitler on here!!! Good job the truth about his activities is still within living memory in Britain; as is the part of the Dutch in WWII - not forgetting Prince Bernhard(?t).

Turning to the topic - what a pity Cameron hasn't the same level of loyalty to Britain. Perhaps he should play on the Israeli political stage, instead?

6 July 2009 at 21:04  
Anonymous Joan of Arc said...

Your Grace
Is there somewhere where you could dump John Doe indefinitely? He would appear to fan the flames without constructive purpose.

6 July 2009 at 21:22  
Blogger John Doe said...

Joan of Arc

You (YOU) have just fulfilled my constructive purpose.

6 July 2009 at 21:50  
Blogger John Doe said...

His Grace on the other hand is proving illusive and innocent until confirmed guilty.

6 July 2009 at 21:55  
Blogger Kevin said...

Well done DC and thank you AC to report this

6 July 2009 at 22:00  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

No, Mr Doe.

He is simply patient and tolerant. He wonders when you might contribute something intelligent and erudite.

6 July 2009 at 22:00  
Blogger John Doe said...

Horses for courses Your Worship. When God spoke to Moses He first had to set the bush on fire.

A burning bush is hard to ignore..................Your Grace!

6 July 2009 at 22:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of constructive purpose, when His Grace has finnished writing the Gospel according to St Tory, I look forward to its insertion into the amended Bible.

6 July 2009 at 22:30  
Blogger Constantine XI said...

I feel his Grace should be given a rest from some of the more, perplexing (for want of a better word), views that have been circulating this topic. Living in the Divine Eternity of God's kingdom can get very tiresome (with all the incoming messages from believers and the ever increasing congestion)and unlike the increasingly beautiful Cardinal Newman, I can imagine His Grace enjoys his downtime.

6 July 2009 at 22:55  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

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6 July 2009 at 22:57  
Anonymous Hank Petram said...

Cameron’s “I am a Zionist” speech a couple of years ago and now this reaffirmation of his commitment to Israel are highly reassuring at two levels, both as a statement of Tory foreign policy and as a testimony to Cameron’s own strength of character.

6 July 2009 at 23:00  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

By pure coincidence I have just finished watching the final 2 episodes of season 5 of the "West Wing" entitled "Gaza".

What brilliant drama this program is. And I couldn't help reflecting on the fact that we would NEVER get the arguments presented in these 2 episodes presented on UK tv ... drama or otherwise.

[Incidentally, Johnny Rottenborough , you are missing out a very, very fundamental factor in your maths which is why you are coming up with such a completely erroneous answer. I'll let you try and figure it out. It's really not that hard. Sorry, there's no way of saying that without sounding patronising!]

6 July 2009 at 23:07  
Blogger Don't Call Me Dave said...

Your Grace

I wrote to Mr Cameron recently congratulating him on his steadfast support for the State of Israel. I also drew to his attention an article printed in the current edition of Blueprint magazine published by the Cities of London & Westminster Conservative Association (which can be downloaded from: )

The magazine carried an article written by the Ambassador of Kuwait in which he says: “We have great concern about the tragic situation endured by the Palestinian people in the occupied Arab territories as a result of Israeli policies and practices that contravene international and humanitarian law. Make no mistake, this issue and the continuation of Israel’s actions is the core reason behind the instability that faces our region.”

I asked Mr Cameron for his opinion of this article in the light of his speech to the Conservative Friends of Israel. I have yet to receive a reply.

6 July 2009 at 23:25  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Dutch Lion - you'd have to be a Brit to understand about my names.

Similarly, you presume to understand our attitudes to our mothers - I'll thank you not to insult mine, or my attitude towards her. She was one of our greatest generation - the ones who stopped both Hitler and the Kaiser.

You presume, also, about my interest in reading trash of any kind, let alone about Hitler.

6 July 2009 at 23:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very deep inside of me? Is the idiot takin' the piss outta the electorate again or what? What an utter twat!

7 July 2009 at 01:22  
Anonymous animal lover said...

John Doe's cavalier attitude to cruelty to animals is not surprising considering his irrational outbursts. Cruelty by neglect to animals is one of the worst sins.Nothing to boast about!

7 July 2009 at 02:56  
Anonymous jediknight said...

Where`s my light sabre? the dark forces seem to be rising.
Don`t be put off by the inane comments and ridiculous posturing that seem to be part of that dark force and keep up the good work your Grace!

7 July 2009 at 08:15  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Has the circus left town yet?

7 July 2009 at 08:42  
Blogger John Doe said...

That was easier than I even imagined. You guys are funny. I might stay.

7 July 2009 at 08:55  
Blogger Gnostic said...

You look positively blue with cold, Mr. Doe. Maybe a bonfire of your vanity will warm you up? ;D

7 July 2009 at 09:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought John Doe's face looked familiar.Photo on the Wednesday
July 1 post on this site(not the
guy with the rosary beads)the other

7 July 2009 at 10:32  
Blogger Ian said...

Johnny Rottenborough -

the Israeli security wall has done just that - provided security. Noticed the drop in suicide bombers lately..? Btw you have ignored my earlier point - there is not now nor has there ever been an country called Palestine - so swallowing more Palestinian land is emotive but factually incorrect and if the Arabs would have left the Israelis in peace they would be no settlers in the west bank. To the victors the spoils. I suppose you would like to see us give back Gibraltar then judging by your "logic" so far.

Btw the Native Americans never had a country so that argument is invalid - there was no country to give back.

7 July 2009 at 10:52  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

Non Mouse: That you judge something to be trash, without ever reading it, shows you are not an impartial judge. It disqualifies you, even to the point where your comments can not be taken seriously. You judge very partially, and uninformedly, serving those whose propaganda you believe; you are prejudged! You judge others, but woe to those who juge you!

7 July 2009 at 13:11  
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7 July 2009 at 13:23  
Anonymous Penny said...

It is a pity that the Arab/Israeli conflict is so poorly understood.

Pre-1948, Palestine had been ruled by various nations including the Greeks, Romans, Turks and British. Actual Arab rule lasted some 22yrs back in the 6th century. There was always a continuous presence of Jews in the land - they didn't 'invade' after WWII.

("The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 A.D. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years...," The Muslim chairman of the Syrian Delegation: Paris Peace Conference February 1919)

In 1922, the original Balfour declaration was contravened with 76% of the designated Jewish homeland going to create Transjordan (Jordan). In 1947 the two-state solution, which reduced this 76% even more, was on the table; the Jews agreed to it, the Arabs did not and, on the day Israel was born, five armies from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq attacked.

Nineteen years passed during which areas designated as a two-state solution, West Bank and Gaza, were actually occupied territories - occupied by Egypt and Jordan. Both were Israeli-free areas. There was no outcry from the UN or from European governments or their media about this occupation. There were no calls for boycotts. There was no outcry by Palestinians about their homeland - because the Palestinian people as we know them today did not exist.

The Arabs again attacked Israel in the 6-day war of 1967 and lost. Israel captured land as a result. It was then that the Palestinian people were created as a separate entity. In his famous mask-dropping statement, Zuheir Mohsen, Military Head of the PLO admitted:

"Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool
in the continuing battle against Israel ..." (Dutch daily 'Trouw', March 1977)

So over the years the various attacks on Israel by the Arab nations resulted in Israel taking West Bank, Gaza and Sinai not as aggressive expansionism, but in a wars waged upon them. Sinai was handed back, as was Gaza, the latter complete with infrastructure and million dollar greenhouses which the Palestinians deliberately destroyed. They then began the rocket attacks on Sderot and surrounding areas.

With regard to the West Bank, UN Resolution 242 was very carefully worded. Withdrawal of Israelis from the area required the Palestinians to meet their side of the bargain which they continually refuse to do. Resolution 242 is deliberate in its wording and does not say 'ALL' areas either - but 'some'. The following link outlines the situation and is written by Eugene Rostow, who helped draft resolution 242


A last point regarding the refugees. There were believed to be some 700,000 refugees arising from Arab attacks against Israel (ie. those termed Palestinians). There were almost a million Jewish refugees from Arab lands who began expelling their Jewish citizens from 1950's onwards. Some went to Israel, others fled to other countries around the world. You do not hear about reparations nor right of return for these people yet all their assets were stolen right down to cameras and jewellery. Most left with a change of clothing only (to date, none have strapped bombs to themselves and blown up Arab citizens) Neither do you hear about the 20million Hindu refugees resulting from the partition of India. The UN - and the West in general - has been silent about these people.

The Palestinians, however, have permanent refugee status (in part caused by their Arab brothers who will not grant them citizenship) There are demands for compensation and the 'right of return', billions of dollars in aid given and considerable sympathy and support.

The two-state solution has been on the table for six decades but the demands made by the Palestinian leaders are such that in order to comply, the Israeli government might just as well ask their people to form an orderly queue and march obediently into the sea.

Read Hamas' charter - it's available online.

7 July 2009 at 13:36  
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7 July 2009 at 14:06  
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7 July 2009 at 14:54  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...'re full of anti-semetic nonsense. Crawl back under your stone.

7 July 2009 at 15:04  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Dutchlionfrans1953,

While contrary views expressed reasonably are welcome on this blog, His Grace is becoming increasingly intolerant of your propensity to hyperlink ad nauseam.

Please desist.

7 July 2009 at 15:07  
Anonymous Athanasius contra mundum said...

Things I Know.

Six years ago today British born Moslems set off bombs and murdered innocent people in London.

Christians Jews Hindus and Buddhists do not strap bombs to themselves and blow up people.

The Arab states are not unified
and don't defend their own fortunately for Israel

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and has overtaken Christianity which was formerly predominant.

In light of the above Christians and Jews must unite against Islam
the most dangerous and barbarous
force in the world today.The west must restrict immigration to this
barbaric group if it wants to

7 July 2009 at 15:09  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

I was actually looking for this book: The Longest Hatred

The Jewish hatred towards all but their own, is of a depth, an intensity and a duration, that is unknown to other peoples! To deny this, is and will be costing us dearly!

The Zionist-Jews are out to destroy us all, to enslave us, and to rule the world from Jerusalem. Those who deny this, based on misplaced sentiment, from a false interpretation of the Scriptures, serve these worse haters of mankind greatly!

Am I now anti-semitic for saying this??? Aj... the Jews so quickly accuse anyone for anything they do not like, even if it's the truth they speak, ...even of Arab can Arabs who are Semites themselves ever be anti-semetic?

As apostle Paul himself wrote in Scripture: "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? " (Galatians 4:16)

7 July 2009 at 15:11  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

@ Archbishop Cranmer: The reason I present links, is, like any work of any value is full of notes that authorise a person's statements.

No publisher of any standing publishes a book without these.

I do so also because of the lack of space given here, to enable the readers the possibility to dig into the statements themselves. Especially since I am well aware that many statements made by me in subjects like these are controversial. Often because many people are uninformed of the information I refer to.

I will - as I feel I have - restrain myself to the bare minimum.

7 July 2009 at 15:20  
Anonymous Penny said...


This really isn't the place for a detailed history lesson or a trawl through the age-old conspiracy theories, so I will limit myself to saying that I'm not new to this; indeed, I married into a Middle Eastern family and took a great interest in their personal history. The wider family comprises Egyptians, Syrians, Iraqis, Moroccans and Tunisians.

Some of my information I discovered by listening to my in-laws, some by reading and researching - which included talking to one-time British soldiers who had undertaken National Service in Palestine - some by living in the Middle East, some by living in Israel itself; and yet more by actively following the conspiracy theories and de-constructing them - which is pretty easy to do, incidentally, and in many cases, doesn't even require any prior knowledge or further research; the inconsistencies are apparent from the off as is the tendency to mask them by inventing yet more conspiracies to cover up the mistakes when they become apparant.

You carry on ignoring the comments PLO/Arab leaders themselves as expressed by the likes of Hajii Amin al-Husseini, Mohsen, Arafat, Qutb and, more recently, Fahti Hammad, Yunis Al-Astal, etc. or as expressed in Hamas' charter, but please, at least notice that you do not differentiate between the words 'Israeli' and 'Jew'. Not all Israelis are Jews; not all Jews are Israelis - or are they ALL bound up in your conspiracy plots as one entity?

7 July 2009 at 15:22  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

I am sorry the truth that I presented here is not accepted, and instead of being skilfully refuted by those who disagree, which is the nature of a Blog and a dialogue, it has been removed. This is an act of hostility against the truth, even Jesus Christ, to Whom we all must answer one day!

I feel stoned to death/ crucified now by 'archbishop' Cranmer!

Such is apparantly always the faith of true prophets, and true apostles and true disciples of Jesus Christ!

Once again: As apostle Paul himself wrote in Scripture: "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? " (Galatians 4:16)

7 July 2009 at 15:31  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

Dear Penny, Hamas is a creation of Israel! I am not allowed to make any links any more here, so I let you google for it yourself!

7 July 2009 at 15:46  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

O, please.

His Grace has left intact your arguments, but you persist in hyperlinking to sites and material which are hardly authoritaive, reasoned or scholarly.

Where you have done so, your comment is left extant.

His Grace refers you to his 'bottom line'.

And unlike those who are literally stoned, crucified or even burned at the stake, you are not bound here in any sense and are at liberty to argue your case reasonably or leave.

7 July 2009 at 16:43  
Anonymous Dr. Irene Lancaster FRSA said...

Dear Archbishop Cranmer

Thank you very much for this beautiful blog posting in the face of unreason.

7 July 2009 at 21:52  
Anonymous Clemmie Halifax - BSc, BA, MA, MPhil, PhD(abd) said...

Dr. Lancaster: Seconded.

8 July 2009 at 01:34  
Blogger srizals said...

I wonder who was Goliath killed by David, thousand of years ago?? Any answer Lan?

Anonymous Athanasius contra mundum said...

Things I Know.

I guess u weren't there when they bombed London, eh, Christians Germans, IRA, Irish Red Army. How about when Jewish from Russia, bombed the British at Palestine, sorry, Israel n invented the word terrorist in the dictionaries of the world?
Does Tamil Tigers Suicide bomber rings any bell?
Israel had all the backing it needs, AIPAC, CFI, NUKES, but its still afraid of the proposed state Palestine. It even suggested a state with no armies whatsoever. Hmm, this is new. Wonder what the Pharoah of Egypt would have think if they are still around. See, they are crazy ok. That's why we enslaved them. They are a crazy bunch of babies killer. They even had it printed on t shirts, for God sake. (I'm still trying to delete the image of the Jewish bikers from hell on Harleys drinking n laughing at the sight of phosphorus bombs exploding n killing babies n children in the biggest prison known to mankind. Congrats Jews, u goin down in history like the Nazis, the hideous ways u have followed, Love thy killers eh, and learn from them.(Did u learn it when u were in their camps, back in the good old days)
Love u, From not a Jew haters, or anti Semite, (the Arabs are your brethren, they r Semite 2). Ur monkeys, sorry money sure can buy supports eh, from inspired politicians lack of funding..
From hater of hypocrisy, lies n deceit.

8 July 2009 at 04:28  
Blogger srizals said...

Oh, I love Maddoff too, that ponzy, Sure get a kick outta him.

8 July 2009 at 04:35  
Blogger srizals said...

Christians Jews Hindus and Buddhists do not strap bombs to themselves and blow up people.

Well, that what u get when u tried to act like u r above human race. C, oppressions only resulted in two instances, humility in submissions or bloody retaliation. Can't u figure that out now? U smartie pants..
Geez.. Do I have to repeat myself here all over again, the resilient Palestinians (Muslims n Christians) are indestructible just like ur love eh, Cameron, u lovin gentleman. (For them I'll endure).
Well, Ur gentle n peace loving Christians, Buddhist, Hindus, Zionist Jews, well most of u, (I'm not going to make a simplistic generalizations like ur simplistic one layered minds) r the same bunch. U have histories of oppressions, that even Genghis Khan would be amazed. U like to gun down Muslims while they are praying, at the back! That sure show somethin eh, ur bravery I mean. Just recently peaceful Thai Buddhist gunned down praying Muslims in Pattani, (not to mention the inhumane stock piling Muslim youths in trucks for hours of journey, n when they're dead, the gentle Thais give stupid excuses. The peaceful Tamil Eelam of Sri Langka did the same thing, a Zionist Jew did, only the Christians r not involved in such cowardice. Well not in Maluku, where they went on a killing spree, stopping Muslims at checkpoints n chopping Muslims to pieces, Yes, they r still ok, The Christians I mean, n Yes, Indonesia is the largest Muslim Nation, but we r not like u guys. We just kill the killers.

8 July 2009 at 07:39  
Blogger srizals said...

For U, its kill them all eh, Suddenly Metallica is playing in my head. But, c, u guys r so used with killings, it no longer bothered u, unless u r the targets.
Yes, we are barbarians (a small fragments of Muslims) but u guys out best us in ur genocide scale of wars, Hutu vs Tutsi (Christians), Khmer vs Khmer (Buddhist cum communist), Famine in Sudan (Christian warlords vs Muslim Democratic Govrnt.) well Omar gets the blame of course, u smart, I give u that. World War 1 n 2 (Christian Germans vs Other White Christians), USA vs Japanese (Christians vs Shinto Buddhists) (yeah, I accept ur lame excuses of bombing their cities, sorry, nuke their cities, since they were the first to bomb a legitimate military target. (They bombed warships, armies, n in return u slaughtered their children n women n old ones n u keep on hailin Pearl Harbour?? Go visit these peaceful countries n u can even visit their genocide museum, U 2 hv genocide museum in Europe. Try to find one in our blood thirsty Muslim Nations. O, I forgot all about Spain. Well there's still remnants of our barbaric cruelty there, I think u been there. No, the Muslims aren't the one who started the Spanish Inquisitions, where Muslims n Jews r converted sadistically n robbed of their wealth legitimately by the House of god for hundred of years under the watchful eyes of the Pope. The torture machines of the Medieval good old days. I guess that's where the rocker band got their name, Iron Maiden.
What r u afraid of? U got all the nukes, n we r not allowed to hv one, since we goin to use it to other non nuclear country, duuh, like what u did to Japan? Was Japan a nuclear power at that time?
U, smart arrogant snobbish Zionist never stop to amaze me, What r u so afraid of? U r so afraid of dying, but fond of killing, (our babies, n weak ones), U r so afraid that everyone will know the truth one day, n massacre u again like well, almost like all the time in the history of mankind. Why? because of some arrogant bunch of u, who think that they r god. The likes of them that stirred so much hatred, n in the end lead to the massacre of all the Jews, without discriminating which ones r the bankers, ponzies, money speculators, power brokers n king of murderers.
U r repeating history. U don't wanna be hate, right? Then stop the killings, of babies n the helpless ones. Stop stealing other people land n said it was ur god given right. Show the terrorist some sense. Maybe they would follow your peaceful gestures like how they copied your hideous massacre of the innocents. You reap what you sow. No, I'm no Jew hater. I love them, truly I do. Especially the ones, who called themselves Jews 4 Allah. They r the truly chosen people of God. The blessed Israelite. Not those who endorsed butchering of the innocents. N u r wondering where does all the hate came from. It came from U, your despicable act of playing innocence, when u urslvs r the happy go lucky butchers. Wonder how u can get up every morning n look urslf in the mirror. (ops, I forgot that blood thirsty rabbi who said its ok to kill babies n children, right on rabies, sorry, rabbi, u rock..for a mad dog look alike contest)
Money, Money, Money, must be funny in the rich man's world. (N I thought that the pope had listed owning to much money for ur own good is a sin..) I see his point though.

8 July 2009 at 07:40  
Anonymous jeremy hyatt ETC QED NQOCD PMSL said...

Penny said...
It is a pity that the Arab/Israeli conflict is so poorly understood.

Mostly by her.

8 July 2009 at 15:15  
Blogger srizals said...

Dear Lan or Penny or those who is holier than thou esp. Zionist scum.
If u refer to history, sorry Preacher, I have to do this all over again..Islam, sorry, Muslims never ever persecuted Jews nor Christians nor colonalise them, like the powerful imperialism of Christian Nations. All mankind were on their knees under cruel oppressions of the Spanish, Americans n British empire. Rivaled only by the next coming Christian German empire. (who preyed on white Christians themselves n of course the Jews. We, Muslims, Christians n Jews r free back in those days, to serve our faith under the powerful Ottoman empire, (a very different empire compared to Christians empire) which had numerous numbers of Jews officers, all to good for its own being, it seems in the end. Well I will go back a few hundred years back. It was the Franks who slaughtered U n Us back in the days when they took it by force from Muslims hands. Palestine not Israel. It is under the blessing of Muslims rule.Dare u to defy this? Banishing U n Us from even entering it remember? They even gloated about it, as always. Me, better killers n more powerful than thee, but when Saladin took it back, well, it was a different story that even Christian historian failed to understand their restrains from choosing slaughter like their Christians counterparts. Action does speak louder than words. No, don't believe all u see in Hollywd's Kingdom of Heaven. We, Muslims never cried for our Martyrs. We believe they live on beside God. We even buried them with their blood still flowing. (Their fictional for God's sake).
U kept on referring to the Palestinians as Arab refugees, I wonder where is Palestine, sorry Israel is located actually, erm, the peninsular of Europe or Malaysia? Duuh, look at the maps n study Geography. U r being silly.
Answer me this. When David slew Goliath n two armies met in battle at Ain Jalut, who were they exactly?

8 July 2009 at 19:42  
Blogger srizals said...

When Prophet Moses p.b.u.h, saved u from the Pharoah of Egypt, n lead u to Palestine. Why did u asked him to fight the fierce natives there with Elohim, while u urself refused to go to battle. Who r these native inhabitants that awaits U?? Europeans? Asians? Another Russian Jewish tribes? sorry, another Israelites already there? Those who weren't taken by the Pharaoh back then?? Who was in the first place, expelled u from Palestine, sorry, my mistake, from Israel?? The Philistinians? The Romans? The Egyptians? Why did Elohim let it happened in the first place??? Because Israelites followed the Thorah or condemned themselves by deviating from it? U C, U r banished by Elohim from Palestine, because u r such a treacherous bunch. Even when Moses r still with u, when he left u for a while with Harun, U forsaken him n made a god out of a golden cow n took it as Elohim. U ate Swine, Money interests from loans even though u r forbidden 2 do so, n the Christians hated U 4 it, remember? U r controlling their economy back then n is still now, in a myriad ponzy scheme n institutionalized banking system. U r a bunch of arrogant people who r doomed to repeat their history. U can never justify ur cause with lies n deceits, it will blow right there in front of ur face. C, that's the nature of lies. It's not concrete like the truth. Give ur brethren Arabs, their rightful rights. They never persecuted or tortured u before the formation of Israel, did they?, to make u treat them, ur own brethren, (well, ur rabbis always referred them as lowly as they can, their own brothers, talk about anti Semite). Geez, aren't u dandy.
Answer this, n at least everyone's conscious is clear. N u can nuke Gaza, since they didn't exist in the first place n by doing that, uniting all rival Muslims n the wrath of Elohim would be on u yet again, C, u are killing urself, not the Palestinians, ur brethren. Or did u think they were someone's else brother? Still, the laughing bikers on harley wathing the slaughter of helpless confined, trapped Palestinians, Muslims n Christians alike, in a war still baffled me. It's a war right? Can u recall any wars with such scenery. Laughing n having a ball, rn't they supposed to be afraid of Hamas deadly man made fire crackers?? U sure do amazed me, ur beautiful perfect lies...n money hunger politicians to for all that matters.
N u dare to say the Indians, who called themselves the human beings r not rightful owner of the plains (now USA)
Wonder what Boudica felt when she faced the dreaded Roman armies. Did they take her as u did? Hostile native forsaken of their right to the land they live on? Get real.

8 July 2009 at 19:42  
Blogger srizals said...

Try not to cry - Sami Yusuf.

You, you’re not aware
That we’re aware
Of your despair
Don’t show your tears
To your oppressor
Don’t show your tears

Try not to cry little one
You’re not alone
I’ll stand by you
Try not to cry little one
My heart is your stone
I’ll throw with you

‘Ayn Jalut where David slew Goliath
This very same place that we be at
Passing through the sands of times
This land’s been the victim of countless crimes
From Crusaders and Mongols
to the present aggression
Then the Franks, now even a crueller oppression
If these walls could speak,
imagine what would they say

For me in this path that I walk on
there's only one way
Bullets may kill, bones may break
Still I throw stones like David before me and I say


No llores, no pierdas la fe
La sed la calma el que haze
Agua de la arena
Y tu que te levantas con orgullo entre las piedras
Haz hecho mares de este polvo
Don’t cry, don’t lose faith
The one who made water come out of the sand
Is the one who quenches the thirst
And you who rise proud from between the stones
Have made oceans from this dust

I throw stones at my eyes
’cause for way too long they’ve been dry
Plus they see what they shouldn’t from oppressed babies to thighs
I throw stones at my tongue
’cause it should really keep its peace
I throw stones at my feet
’cause they stray and lead to defeat
A couple of big ones at my heart
’cause the thing is freezing cold
But my nafs is still alive
and kicking unstoppable and on a roll
I throw bricks at the devil so I’ll be sure to hit him
But first at the man in the mirror
so I can chase out the venom

Hmm, a little boy shot in the head
Just another kid sent out to get some bread
Not the first murder nor the last
Again and again a repetition of the past
Since the very first day same story
Young ones, old ones, some glory
How can it be, has the whole world turned blind?
Or is it just ’cause it’s only affecting my kind?!
If these walls could speak,
imagine what would they say
For me in this path that I walk on
there’s only one way
Bullets may kill, bones may break
Still I throw stones like David before me and I say

Try not to cry little one
You’re not alone
I’ll stand by you
Try not to cry little one
My heart is your stone

I’ll throw with you...
I'll stand by you...

This is what u r afraid of.
U wanna live 4ever??

8 July 2009 at 19:46  
Blogger srizals said...

Still no answers on who made the English invented the word Terrorist in their dictionary, eh!
Come 2 me, Zionist scum.
Come out n fight.Come out n faced me like a man. It is a good day to die. Come out from the safety of your lies, your AIPAC, CFI, your racist walls, (R u tryin to rival the Berlin walls), but like the Berlin walls it would break some day. U C, U can never kill us all, Try 2 nuke 1.5 billions Muslims n u end up with nuking urself n the end of days r nearer than u think. Ready to meet Elohim, (Ilahi 4 us). The true One God that u hv abandoned by rejecting His final revelations through Muhammad as what u always did with ur prophets. U even unsure with Jesus Christ, first u say he was god,sorry, a bastard, n then u mocked him by calling him son of god, when his teaching was not compatible with ur lust for the flesh n gold. Jesus was one of u, n yet you plotted to kill him. Its the old same story, o, children of Israel. U r going down history as butchers n slayers of babies, children - Rabies killers of the weak. Wake up 2 ur senses. U can't fooled the Brits like what u did with the Americans.
U'll find out sooner or later that they r different. C, U killed them mercilessly in Palestine before, n most of them still remembered it, c. Maybe it would work after a couple hundred of years, when these generations r no longer around.
One more question, You referred urslf as Jews n the others, Gentile, what is exactly does it mean?? Some say it means, the cattle people, Goyyim, Is it true?? Lie ur way out of this.
U always cooked up stories to cover ur hideous arse..U r a good, sorry, the best liars ever risen among mankind. N ur money is tempting, of course. U sure know where to bound ur Goyyim's neck eh. Politicians sure will drool on them.
That's sure did, make... sense!

8 July 2009 at 20:45  
Blogger srizals said...

Hope u can cook up a very amusing, convincing arguments that would spark even sympathy from the same, sorry, sane people who r readin ths blog, (n hopefully would not attract in the seekers of profits n powers, that would die 2 plz ur Zionist scum, the money lovers).

Your shot.

From the lover of the Jews 4 Allah, Haters of lies n deceits, n foremost, Hypocrisy.

8 July 2009 at 21:24  
Anonymous len said...

9 July 2009 at 08:28  
Blogger srizals said...

Thnx Len, 4 not givin up on me, I hope u won't gv up on urself 2, I'm not afraid, don't u be afraid 2. If u let me email u or somethin, than we can both embark on a journey together to better understandin one another. No matter where it leads us, we can come out from the tunnel, a better man, with a better understanding to differences. Not just annihilate whatever is different from us. Fear is some kind of ignorance 2, don't u think. I will explore the link that u gave, word to word, sen to sen. N I promise I won't read it with prejudice n hate. N I promise I won't just scroll down in ludicrously. I hope u will do the same. Its 4 our own good. Knowing won't hurt ur faith, trust me. It would only strengthen it. Like I said, I like discussion better than debate. That way, no one would feel inferior, n the light of truth is easily discovered by both parties. Cheerio. At least we do hv one in common, we both don't despise Jesus Christ, hold this common dearly, Len. The world's goin crazy. Everyone knows it.

9 July 2009 at 12:01  
Anonymous len said...

srizals, The Lord Jesus Christ never gives up.
He stands at the door of your heart and knocks waiting for you to let Him in.
Jesus Christ is love, He doesn`t condemn you, he died for your sins , and God raised Him to life again.

God Bless .

9 July 2009 at 13:47  
Blogger srizals said...

I know Len, the problem is that, the Christians, well most of u, r involved in most of our slaughter. Wherever n whenever there's conflicts, we Muslims would be on the dying sides, in mass, everyone, our babies, children, old ones, weak ones, its very hard to oppress our desire to fight n face the slayers,c. We Muslims rn't afraid of dying. The weak ones died in front of our eyes, do u think we really care what's goin to happened 2 us. The guilt of watching the helpless ones die (not died)in front of our eyes, smelling n feeling their warm blood, n hearing them cry in agony, is not something that would scare us of death. (Constant anguish n fear does certain things to humans u know)
Death is very real 2 us. Do u think we would prefer to live in shame than to die in glory? C, this is the mindset of the terrorist, To fight them is to take away the reason in the first place that drives them mad. The brutal n inhumane oppressions. N peace is just right after the corner.

10 July 2009 at 01:13  
Blogger srizals said...

But u wouldn't want that to happened, eh, Zionist Scum. U hv some sick prophecies to fulfill eh, n where's the profit in it eh,
I hate u, sorry, I despise u, babies killer, (no, I'm not making a typo error) u r babies killer.

10 July 2009 at 01:27  
Blogger srizals said...

N, No, I'm not referring to Irgun, when I'm using the word, terrorist, they r the ones who kill n plunder not because they r bein oppressed or slaughtered, they r just mindless killers and looters of the lands of the Palestinian. Their sadistic Hamas charter, sorry, the Irgun logic to kill, r hideous. Ain't it Penny?
Don't u dare to compare them, with today's terrorist.

10 July 2009 at 02:10  
Blogger srizals said...

A funny one, just wanna let u know,
Igor with a fly whip whipped a fly, n to his amazement it was his master, Mr. Dracula, n after bein dizzy 4 a while, he said, "u stupid monster, don't u know its the nature of vampires to turn into a bat, when they want to fly around, u....idiot"
U don't get it do u, nah, never mind...

10 July 2009 at 04:32  
Blogger srizals said...

Look past the innocent gelatin eyes...n c ur enemy...The Matrix.. sure is inspiring..I wonder what happened to Sydneysider n his sense of humour...

10 July 2009 at 04:53  
Blogger kasou said...

Well we have a Muslim in the White House (and before anyone complains... his father was Muslim therefore so is he and he cannot leave the faith because he can then be killed). so we have a Jewish friendly Prime Minister.. now We (the west) may get somewhere.

10 July 2009 at 16:26  
Blogger srizals said...

The Jews and Christians are also forbidden from eating pork. Here is a quote from the Old Testament to that effect: "And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase." Deuteronomy 14:8

Did u cried when people around the world terminated their chicken during the avian flu era, U guys...
The coptic r on a rampage eh, I thought they were crazy mindless muslims, guess I was wrong. Cheers.

11 July 2009 at 01:39  
Blogger srizals said...

Ops, sorry if I've startled u, this was meant on the blog, the topic brought up by Cranmer, Christian Palestinian cleansing, ops sorry, Coptic cleansing,
Geez, when will u grow up, Coptic cleansing? by killing their swines?? I wonder what his justification of the killing of the Palestinians, some of them r Christians 2, maybe he's never been in the Church of Nativity, eh. Your Grace?? Been there? The place where Jesus Christ was born?
Ops, sorry if I offended those Christian Zionists. I sure don't wanna piss them of. Israelite have the right to live, steal lands, ops sorry, buy land with the blood of the owner (n I do mean it literally) n the Palestinians even the Christians, the right to die n be banished from their homeland.
Simple money, ops, Simple logic eh, N I thought it is among the most sacred Christian site, Guess I was wrong eh, Lovingly Christian Zionist? U Christians sure amazed me. U know what, your brothers said u have forsaken them, n they no longer hope u would come 2 their rescue. Sad isn't it. Zionist Scum!

11 July 2009 at 01:58  
Blogger srizals said...

N, one more, I do know about ur sick prophecies of bringing the Hebrews back to Palestine.
U wanna speed things up, the anti Christ, the coming of the messiah, Jesus Christ, by letting Israel, Palestinians killing each other n even world world 4 for that matter. U sick Zionist bastards. All the blood is justified eh, u sure sick, man, really sick...Zionist Coward.
Well, for the stupid goodie two shoes Zionist lovers, they r in it 4 the gold n flesh, as always...Zionist Scum. Do u know about this Cranmer? Sure u do, don't u? U 2 Cranmer?
Well, keep on plannin, coz c, God is planning 2, let's c whose plan goin 2 prevail in the end eh. The rest is of course oblivious in porn, pun, in the safety of their blessed ignorance. Just like the Jews back in the days, 6 millions of them, n for what? Jesus didn't came eh, at that time? I hope u rot in hell, n I wanna visit u when u were in it, to gloat at your hideous arrogance. See u in hell!

11 July 2009 at 03:07  
Blogger srizals said...

Excuse me, world war 3, anger got the best of me, I got carried away, sorry. N..
oh yeah, Jesus is comin, right after anti Christ, not Muslims, u moron, Muslims love Jesus, check their Koran, smartie pants, that's why u get 2 say bad things about Allah, n gets away with it. U don't see us Muslims as cursing Jesus, like the Jews did, did u? Or all the prophets mentioned in the Torah, n the Jews got to slander Muhammad, hell, some of u too..
(I still wonder what would Christians in my country would do if they find out u r cursing Allah, c, they wanna associate the word 2 with god, after 50 years of not doin it).
N this time, he is not alone helplessly surrounded by the dreaded Roman armies, forsaken by his own people, the Israelite, no not the Jews, the Jews are the follower of Judaism, at that time the Israelite were follower of the Torah, c. They r still in Palestine, n no, they r not killing their own brethren. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
This time he got 1.5 billions Muslims ready to die n fight side by side with him, as Muslims, the people who submits themselves to the true one God, Allah the Almighty, not Bruce Almighty!, (U westener's idea of sense of humour never stop to amaze me, eh, sydneysider).
This time he will wage a war on those who had prosper on the blood of the innocence, the tyrants n the oppressors, n oh, their Zionist sympathizers, (but of course, no sympathy 4 the lives of tPalestinian Christians or 4 anyone 4 that matter,eh, no moni, no talk,eh).
Just like David when he slew Goliath.
See, the struggle of the good n the bad is always like that. Never has it been, -forgive those who have oppressed u, ?? r u sick or somethin?
I sure like to take ur homes, ur expensive cars, ur children, everything that u have, coz c, u goin to forgive me 4 it n God will forgive me 2, coz c, his son died in the cross 4 my sins or was it Adam n Eve's sin? The original sin?
One thing 4 sure, U guys r good. At blinding the human race with gluttony in wealth n women n powerrrr. Sorry, U r not good, ...U out best us Muslims. 4 now...

I still remember Monica Lewinski..Do u guys still remember her...ermm.

11 July 2009 at 03:34  
Blogger srizals said...

O, yeah, one more, the Coptic fed their pigs with ehh, digest or ehh, recycled trash, n filth n garbage in Egypt. Sure does sound familiar with Noah's ark.
The unbelievers shits in his ark, n then a sick man, sick but didn't 4get 2 shits his ark, got accidentally, well slipped into those shits, n walla, he is cured.
When the news broke out, everyone came n.. this time they took the shits home as medicine, Allah sure is all knowing.
N at last the animals that trusted to make it squeaky clean? The pigs of course. The Coptic sure did practiced what's in their gospel. Or is it?

Wonder who was it that said, U r what u eat....anyone??

11 July 2009 at 03:47  
Blogger srizals said...

Oh, be4 I forgot, Do u know why did God destroyed the people of Sodom n Gomorrah? (instead of letting them of the hook, since Jesus will/ had died n all that..4 the retribution of mankind?)
Its homosexuality. A sin of sex, a sin of pleasures, not murders, nor plunder, ..that's right, the gays, the lesbians, free sex 4 everyone..Geez, I thought they all were wiped out that day..Hope we all don't have to go through that again, eh..n u guys r perplexed with ur sex problems, abortions, HIV, AIDS, syphilis, porn industries, porn stars, Christians pedophile across the globe etc. etc..having said that, I'm not saying Muslim nations r pest free 2, well thanks 2 ur porn industries.

Don't look at us, we don't have pedophile Imam n crazy Christian cult leaders that have sex with as many as they can, girls, boys, wives, not of his, of his followers, Christian incest scandals...4 10, 20 years..n still being investigated..uuU...
c... u never get it eh...
No, don't try to drag Adam n Eve into this. N, no don't u try to play that card, Mohammad was a pedophile 2, or I would hv to fill this page with arguments n proof that u will never ever believe it. C, u r a blind person. n a deaf one. U can see, but u can't make sense. U can hear, but u can't understand. U doomed. The moment u stop thinking n just accept whatever bein pushed down ur throats, that's when u sealed ur hearts out, n with it ur fate 2.

Nothing can make any sense 2 u. U bunch, r worst than the cattle, the goyyim like the Zionist called us. I'm not referring to u, I'm just referring to U, yes u, whose laughing at my jokes! Who thinks that all this is a big joke, n U r here just to hv pun, kill n plunder, ignoring the wicked n the victims, n get pardoned in the end 4 all ur hideous sins 4 free..or just end up as a fertilizer or compose. Simplicity eh, U can never c the truth. U r not entitled 2 it...

Erm.. I wonder who is behind the porn industry..?? Another ponzy eh?? I'm not goin to answer it 4 u, to avoid bein bias or anti semite or somethin like that, n no u can't find porn industries in the Arab world. U get 100 lashes if u r stil a virgin, n the stone if u r married n still involved urself in adultery. Wonder what's the punishment for sex offenders in the bible n the Torah...ermm..might as well look it up.

No, I'm not callin u stupid or anything, Its u urself r being ignorant. Zionist babies killer on bikes. I...m..out of words.. 4 u guys..Hope u crammed up ur fat arse while watching those children butchered right there in front of your face. U nazis, sorry, Zionist Scum.

11 July 2009 at 06:40  
Blogger srizals said...

Anyone still remembers the Labyrinth?
Well, Sara was lost in the Labyrinth n she's in some quest 2 save her little baby brother, Toby. What's interesting was at a point, she was led 2 two doors, one of them lead 2 the castle of the Goblin king, n one of them lead 2 boom,bom,bom,bom.. certain death...The trick is Sara can only ask a question 2 one of them. The problem is that, the two doors can talk, well sort of, n one of them will always tell the truth, while the other one will always lie, What's funny was their dialogue, He's toodelatoo, (or somethin, I can't catch the name) He's always lie, n toodelatoo answered, No, I do not, n the other door answered, Ooh What a lie!
Which one is which...very inspiring movie back in the days. I wonder whats the writer of the story tryin 2 say...I don't know,I never understood it....

13 July 2009 at 21:16  

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