Sunday, August 09, 2009

Gordon Brown does God – again.

Apparently, the Prime Minister recorded an interview with a Christian radio station in advance in order that it might be broadcast to the nation in his absence to reassure us all that he is still in charge.

And not only in charge, but doing God.


And in the interview, broadcast this morning at 8.00am, the Prime Minister insisted that Britain is still Christian country.

He further defended the right of worshippers to express their faith in public.

Which is convenient for him, but not so convenient for the odd nurse, teacher, foster parent, registrar or adoption agency.

Gordon Brown asserts that the country's values are ‘still based on traditional religious teachings’.


In that word alone is the evidence of the faith which dare not speak its name.

He says it is wrong that the devout should be forced to keep their beliefs private.

But the devout of all faiths do not feel they have to.

Just the Christians.

There has been a steady stream of public sector employees who have been stigmatised, suspended and even sacked for merely daring to talk about their personal beliefs. Nurses, teachers, registrars and adoption agencies are all obliged by the state to ‘keep their beliefs private’. An an EU equality directive has raised further fears that Christian groups might be sued by anyone who declares themselves offended by their words, practices or imagery.

The Prime Minister, whose father was a Church of Scotland minister, told Premier Christian Radio: "I think the role of religion and faith in what people sometimes call the public square is incredibly important. In Britain we are not a secular state as France is, or some other countries. It's true that the role of official institutions changes from time to time, but I would submit that the values that all of us think important – if you held a survey around the country of what people thought was important, what it is they really believed in, these would come back to Judaeo-Christian values, and the values that underpin all the faiths that diverse groups in our society feel part of."

It is just a pity that 12 years of New Labour have created such a context of hostility towards the faith which yielded those very liberties by which the faith is being cleansed from the public sphere.

Asked if he thought it would be better if Christianity were ‘privatised’, he replied: "I think it's impossible because when we talk about faith, we are talking about what people believe in, we are talking about the values that underpin what they do, we are talking about the convictions that they have about how you can make for a better society. So I don't accept this idea of privatisation – I think what people want to do is to make their views current. There is a moral sense that people have, perhaps 50 years ago the rules were more detailed and intrusive, perhaps now what we're talking about is boundaries, beyond which people should not go. And I think that's where it's important that we have the views of all religions and all faiths, and it's important particularly that we're clear about what kind of society we want to be. So I think the idea that you can say: 'What I do in my own life is privatised and I'm not going to try to suggest that these are values that can bind your society together', would be wrong."

He may not accept the idea of privatisation, but by talking about ‘boundaries’ and accommodating ‘the views of all religions and all faiths’, he certainly moves into the realm of 'privatisation'. What are boundaries to some are not to others; what is liberating to some is confining to others; what is innocuous to one is offensive to another.

And time and again Labour have sided with the offended, such that the two main groups to have benefited from a decade of equality legislation are the very loud, proud and mutually-exclusive homosexuals and Muslims. Peter Tatchell and Muhammad Abdul Bari now outrank the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Westminster in the hierarchy of rights and in their access to the highest echelons of power; in the extent to which government heeds their every pronouncement and yields to their every demand.

And the one group which has endured systematic erosion of its liberties is the Christians.

The Prime Minister was asked directly if he believed the Government gave preferential treatment to Muslims. He responded: "When you've got a society that is diverse, what happens is for a time, the issue is integrating your minorities into that society. And so people want to make sure that people who may feel discriminated against have the chance to get jobs, or get education, or get chances that otherwise they might not have. Then people – rightly, I think – say: 'But what about the integration of your society as a whole – how can people work together, how can you have a more cohesive society'?"

That’ll be a yes then.

And it won’t just be ‘for a time’.

The Prime Minister needs to rediscover his ‘Presbyterian conscience’ soon.

Before it becomes illegal even to possess one.


Blogger Jim Bartlet said...

Bloody Dam. I think I have missed this one. I am assuming that you meant to say 8:00am, and not 8:00pm. What channel was it on? Will it be available on BBCi Player?

9 August 2009 at 12:19  
Anonymous len said...

I can only hope a blinding flash of light happens to Brown to give him a revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ, much as happened to Saul of tarsus.
He would then wring his hands and say" what have I done?"

9 August 2009 at 12:21  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Oops, yes, 8.00am.

It was on Premier Christian Radio.

9 August 2009 at 12:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hear hear

9 August 2009 at 12:48  
Blogger Jim Bartlet said...

Thank You. It will have to wait until after dinner now, but for those like me who missed it, here is the link below.

Link Link Link

9 August 2009 at 12:55  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

If His Grace thinks that Muslims get preferential treatment in 2009, there’s worse to come.

•Johnny Rottenborough’s August blog•

9 August 2009 at 14:15  
Blogger Arden Forester said...

Does "Doing God" allow for the telling of porky pies? Maybe it does for a Presbyterian as auricular confession is hard to come by in the kirk!

Does "Doing God" allow for bearing false witness? Plenty of that going on!

I'd say Gordon Brown needs to do far more of these sessions so that he can eventually see that his errors have been collossal over the last 12 years.

9 August 2009 at 15:24  
Blogger OldSouth said...

It's really not all bad news here: Mr. Brown, by doing the interview, acknowledges that (a) Christianity and its adherents are still very much a force within the culture, and (b) he can't afford to throw them off the back of the boat and have any hope of retaining power.

And, of course, the retention of power is Mr. Brown's reason for arising in the morning, drawing in the next breath of air, etc.

So, now comes the time, to paraphrase Woodrow Wilson 'for all good people of the faith to come to the aid of their country'.

Mr. Brown left the faithful an opening wide enough to drive the proverbial lorry through. I hope good use is made of it, by thoughtful, eloquent, and fearless Christians, like Cranmer and most of his readership.

The danger is that the fundamentalist nutters will come out of the woodwork, spouting conspiracy theories, calling names and spreading vitriol, in the name of our Saviour, who is full of Grace and Truth. This only manufactures ammunition for the radical left behind Mr. Brown.

Best wishes!

9 August 2009 at 15:37  
Anonymous Knighthawk said...

Your Grace,

Once again you have stripped away the veneer of pretence and exposed the rot beneath. What a load of pick n mix multi-faith, multicultural implausibility, double standards and hypocrisy.

But Brown is now an irrelevance. He will soon be gone.

In all probability we shall be blessed with Cameron and his army of Chloezomboids instead. Will he be any better? What will he do to restore the rights and liberties of Christians? What will he do to strengthen family values? And what will he do to defuse the demographic time bomb?

9 August 2009 at 15:41  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Brown wears asbestos knickers so he feels safe spouting such utter BS. The lies spew forth with the force and stench of a vindaloo fart and we all know that could ignite a bucket of frozen water. Sorry for the imagery but it needed to be said.

I have a very clear idea of what I'd like society to be. A society that's free of EU tyranny, rule by vested minority interest and imbeciles like Brown, Cameron and everything they represent.

9 August 2009 at 16:35  
Blogger Theo said...

I have not listened to the interview: I have problems with his accent and do so wish he would learn to speak English properly. Apart from this my wife is tired of listening to me shouting at the radio and television every time he or another of the devil's disciples launch into their sad apologies for pretending to be human.

The Judeo-Christian tradition is founded on Mosaic Law and it is this that provides us with a moral compass. If Brown ever had a moral compass he obviously lost it many years ago. Two of the tenets of Mosaic law are that we should not covet anything of our neighbour and we should not steal. The pillars of Brown's political career have been to garner the votes of the covetous and then, on their behalf, steal from those of whom they were covetous. Whatever language or spin Brown cares to put on his activities this is the politics of evil.

Socialism's atheistic and ammoral philosophy have gained such a veneer of supposed respectibility that we seem to have forgotten, as a nation, that it has raised itself up in direct opposition to Christianity without appearing so to do.

Brown's recent refusal to grant export licences to companies wishing to export spares to the Israeli army and his fawning to the islamic nations endangers this nation. God will bless those who bless Israel and we are in great danger of losing God's blessing as a nation.

Brown's attitude to islam is a far cry from God's attitude to the prophets of Baal. I don't think Elijah was told to form an inter-faith committee and try to integrate the worshippers of Baal into the Covenant people.

Why does Brown not study his Bible if he wants to discern how to maintain the Christian nature of this country?

9 August 2009 at 17:08  
Anonymous Philip Walker said...

Excellent post, thank you! It is tempting to be cynical and say Mr Brown is seeking Christian votes, probably knowing David Cameron's decision to seek the votes of gay activists instead (e.g. by supporting gay marriage/civil partnerships, 'gay pride' events, and Labour's attack on RC adoption agencies etc) may have alienated some traditional values voters. However if Mr Brown is really serious about this nation being "Christian" he'd stop his party's legislative attacks against Christianity, and end the discrimination against Christians and attempts to drive Christianity from the 'public square'. If he was genuinely supportive of 'Christian values', he'd stand up to and refuse the demands of lobbyists who want to attack them.

9 August 2009 at 21:31  
Anonymous philip walling said...

Brown? Christian?
He must think we've all dropped off a bush.
If he's a Christian I'm a muslim.
It's the shameless contempt for us that really pisses me off! Does Brown think we are so easily taken in?

9 August 2009 at 22:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alistair Crowley and Gordon Brown have much in common IMPO.

Atlas Shrugged

9 August 2009 at 23:13  
Blogger Jim Bartlet said...

I have been looking at definitions with regards to what a Christian is. Wiki has a Christian as being someone who adheres to Christianity; it describes Christianity as a set of beliefs surrounding the basic story of the birth, death and resurrection. So although someone could say they are a Christian, this only describes something about what they believe. Foe example, someone has mentioned Crowley, and in order to be a Satanist, I would have thought that you would need a certain level of belief in Jesus. So the term Christian is not under any strict licence really.

I have found THIS WEB SITE which abjectly concludes that Jesus was a Homosexual. Sigh! Apparently, John was called the 'Beloved Disciple' because Jesus was giving him one.

So as much as it may peeve you to accept it, Gordon has every right to call himself a Christian.

(Getting steel helmet from shed)

9 August 2009 at 23:59  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Mr Bartlet - (Getting steel helmet from shed)... Do watch out for the lightning with that, then. It may strike through the cheese and bring enlightenment! ....:)

10 August 2009 at 00:21  
Anonymous non mouse said...

"Does Brown think we are so easily taken in?"

Good question, Mr. Walling! He's got him a PhD, for crying out loud - but maybe the one he got didn't involve recognising that other people have brains!

Or maybe it's just easier to go with the advertisers' guff - and practice that old thing about the right hand not knowing what the left one's doing.

Or maybe it really doesn't know... as in my favorite book: "Madness at the Manse."

Who's to say - the electorate can't be bothered to do anything about it, anyway!

10 August 2009 at 00:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's such a pity to read reports like this, because Brown must think he's telling the truth.

So somebody, somewhere, must be deceiving him. Either that or he doesn't read the papers, doesn't see the reports of Christians being targetted by the zealots who want the cross to be hidden away.

Interesting word verification = deptions, which I misread as 'deceptions'. Appropriate, no?

10 August 2009 at 01:11  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Its rather a shame that being a hypocrit when addressing the faithfull does not carry a more sever sentence.

Whole interview reeked on insincerity and lack of right , clearly a morally bankrupt man running a financially/morally bankrupt country

10 August 2009 at 02:03  
Blogger Manfarang said...

It seems that the NHS patient can be asked what their religion is on first contact.
I haven't forgotten the negative reaction when I responded to such a question.
Clearly the staff want to put everyone in a particular 'box'.

10 August 2009 at 03:52  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Outstanding article.

To vote for the socialists means to betray Christians.

10 August 2009 at 08:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I find it soooo annoying when politicians answer questions by giving an answer to a completely different question. I makes them sound stupid. Maybe they are!

10 August 2009 at 09:21  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

Your Grace - I'm sure that most of your communicants are far too canny to be taken in by GB's latest fine rhetoric....for that's all it is.


Doesn't mean anything, and certainly won't mean any change in the Government's pathological hatred for all things Christian. Likewise, of course, for this Government's abject fear of all things muslim such that they must be appeased at every turn.

It's simply come up now because he thinks a few Christian votes might be useful in a year's time. A few vague platitudes of what he thinks Christians might want to hear, nothing more, and signifying nothing at all.

Of course, Christians voting for NULAB is turkeys voting for Christmas.

Meantime the forthcoming Islamic state continues to gather more momentum every year.

10 August 2009 at 12:10  
Blogger Theo said...

We know that we have passed over out of death into Life by the fact that we love the brethren (our fellow Christians). He who does not love abides (remains, is held and kept continually) in [spiritual] death.
1 John 3:14 (AMP)

Beware of false prophets, who come to you dressed as sheep, but inside they are devouring wolves.
You will fully recognize them by their fruits. Do people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
Even so, every healthy (sound) tree bears good fruit [ worthy of admiration], but the sickly (decaying, worthless) tree bears bad (worthless) fruit.
A good (healthy) tree cannot bear bad (worthless) fruit, nor can a bad (diseased) tree bear excellent fruit [worthy of admiration].
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire.
Therefore, you will fully know them by their fruits.
Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven.
Many will say to Me on that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name and driven out demons in Your name and done many mighty works in Your name?
And then I will say to them openly (publicly), I never knew you; depart from Me, you who act wickedly [disregarding My commands].
Matt 7:15-23 (AMP)

If you want to know Brown's fruits don't listen to his words but look at his voting record on moral issues on the Christian Institute website. Whatever the spin and the words this is the real Brown and what he stands for.

Not once did he seem to get it right!

10 August 2009 at 12:32  
Blogger Frugal Dougal said...

In Cambridge, we have murals on either side of the Mill Road railway bridge. On one side we have a collection of flage, and on the other the worthy lagend, "Respect and diversity in our community". On the first, the Union Jack is not just painted on the far right, it is the furthest flag to the right. Until it takes centre stage and is predominant over all the other flags, the message on the other side will be a lie, because the "and" cannot mean anything other than "or".

10 August 2009 at 14:51  
Anonymous Webmaster said...

If anyone does feel a strange and disturbing urge to listen to the interview, I have popped a link on my blog for what its worth....

Premier Christian Radio Interview with Gordon Brown

10 August 2009 at 15:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...i think it was wrong of me to suggest in an earlier comment that maybe Gordon Brown is stupid. I don't think he is.

What I don't like is the way politicians avoid answering direct questions by answering a different question that puts them in a good light and avoids the unpopular truth of a truthful answer.

Does politics really have to be like this? I'm glad that we as Christian's follow someone who is full of grace and truth and doesn't avoid answering with the truth even that might make Him unpopular.

10 August 2009 at 20:40  
Blogger Young Mr. Brown said...

I agree with Your Grace's post. Or rather with most of it.

And the one group which has endured systematic erosion of its liberties is the Christians.

Well, almost. It could be said that another group which has endured systematic erosion of its liberties over the past 12 years is Her Majesty's subjects. We have all seen our liberties eroded under New Labour.

But there is something else that must be said. The nurse, teacher, foster parent, registrar and adoption agency that you write of all have something in common. They are not just any Christians - they are Christians who hold to traditional Christian beliefs. When Gordon Brown uses the word "Christian", I suspect that he means something slightly different.

10 August 2009 at 22:37  
Blogger ZZMike said...

It's an odd world. Here in the US, if people went around saying we're a Christian country, there would be such an uproar, you wouldn't believe.

Our own Glorious Leader said quite plainly that America is not a Christian country - which brought but little objection.

Perhaps Mr Brown was counting on the fact that Britain has an established state religion, and Mr Obama was counting on the fact that we do not.

Theo: "Two of the tenets of Mosaic law are that we should not covet anything of our neighbour and we should not steal. The pillars of Brown's political career have been to garner the votes of the covetous and then, on their behalf, steal from those of whom they were covetous."

Outstanding!! That perfectly describes our politicians as well.

"I don't think Elijah was told to form an inter-faith ...."

Two in one post!! I stand in awe. I shall pass both those on.

Jim Bartlet: "in order to be a Satanist, I would have thought that you would need a certain level of belief in Jesus. So the term Christian is not under any strict licence really."

I don't see the connection. Satan was around long before Christ assumed human form.

Manfarang: "It seems that the NHS patient can be asked what their religion is on first contact."

(A recent story on the Telegraph tells us that that first contact may be long in coming. A woman called NHS because she was having chest pains. They arranged a doctor visit 2 days later. The doctor told her to go home and take some ibuprofin. When she got home, she died of a heart attack.)

Here across the pond we do the same thing (ask about religious preference). It seems to be a new thing - within the last few years. One reason is that some people can't take blood transfusions (so why, I ask, waste staff's time by going to hospital), and other (unnamed) people want to be sure that a blood used in a transfusion isn't of Jewish origin. There are other screwy caveats that staff has to be wary of. One of them has to do with the way a patient is intubated - but I didn't want to follow that particular rabbit-hole.

Anonymous (20:40): "...i think it was wrong of me to suggest in an earlier comment that maybe Gordon Brown is stupid. I don't think he is."

It's a mistake to conflate intelligence with either common sense or wisdom. Machiavelli was quite brilliant. Other descriptors of intelligence are crafty, cunning, devious, ....

I think that most people who are in fact intelligent are smart enough to not want to go into politics. Past generations were of course an exception. Several of them are featured on the right side of our gracious host's front page.

10 August 2009 at 22:49  
Anonymous len said...

The Kingdom of God is a Kingdom of Light and Truth .Everything is in the light and plainly seen.

The Kingdom of satan is a kingdom of darkness, it is a kingdom of deception, of half -truths and deliberate lies .Most people in satans kingdom aren`t even aware that it exists.

It doesn`t take a great deal of perception to see where people are.

11 August 2009 at 19:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not about God and religion it's about the standard bearer of the banner of Scotland and the divine Eye of Masonic power.

14 August 2009 at 00:08  
Blogger Man in a Shed said...

I have still to hear a personal confession of Christian Faith from Mr Brown.

This is the elephant in the room with his background and attempts to cash in on his Dad's reputation.

14 August 2009 at 10:32  

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