Saturday, September 19, 2009

Tesco moves to define legitimate religion

Permitted by Tesco...................Prohibited by Tesco...............

Cranmer has warned for years of the absurd consequences of religious relativism and New Labour’s obsession with ‘equality’ and its nonsensical anti-discrimination agenda which demands that every creed be treated with equal reverence and respect and that no offence may be given to anyone about anything.

This sort of incident has been looming for years, and His Grace is delighted by the legal issues which arise as a result of this appalling discrimination. Certainly, it is humorous, and, being British, we will laugh at it. But we are in a context in which the Pagan Police Association are granted holidays to practise withcraft, and in which employees may wear bangles, hijabs and turbans but not crosses.

The issue of the persecution of and discrimination against the Jedi fraternity raises very important issues relating to the definition of religion and at what point a belief system becomes legitimate and officially recognised by the state (or Tesco, which amounts to the same thing).

The reality is that Tesco does indeed permit women wearing hijabs into their stores without let or hindrance. They would probably also admit women wearing burkahs to survey the halal section, fearful of the consequences of a lawsuit on the grounds of religious discrimination and the consequent Muslim backlash which might ensue. Islam and Islamic attire are somehow ‘recognised’ and deemed to be ‘legitimate’, though there is nothing written in law which states this: they simply enjoy the religious liberties which have developed over the centuries.

Jedi, according to the last census, outnumber both Sikhs and Jews in the UK. Indeed, there are reported to be half a million worldwide, so numerical adherence cannot be the criterion upon which Tesco makes its judgement about legitimacy. Jedi are reported to possess a ‘church’ and a creed, they adhere to doctrine and submit to the ‘Force’.

It is presumptuous of Tesco to challenge Morda Hehol (Daniel Jones) the UK leader of the Jedi on the basis that ‘Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all went hoodless without going to the Dark Side’.

There is no stipulation in the Qur’an for women to wear either hijabs or burkahs, and Muslim women far more well-known than Obi-Wan Kenobi all go ‘hijab-less’ without joining the kuffar.

The leader of British Jedis now feels ‘victimised’ and ‘emotionally humiliated’ by the experience.

Cranmer exhorts him to pursue the matter through the courts, for although many international and regional human rights instruments guarantee rights related to freedom of religion or belief, none attempts to define the term ‘religion’. The absence of a definition is not peculiar to international human rights conventions; most national constitutions also include clauses on freedom of religion without defining it. Thus we are presented, on the one hand, with important provisions guaranteeing fundamental rights pertaining to religion, but on the other hand the term itself is left undefined. Of course, the absence of a definition of a critical term does not differentiate religion from most other rights identified in human rights instruments and constitutions. However, because religion is much more complex than other guaranteed rights, the difficulty of understanding what is and is not protected is significantly greater.

Theologians and philosophers may have the luxury of imprecision, but lawyers and judges do not.

It would greatly assist if the judiciary would establish a little case-law clarity on what now constitutes a legitimate religion in the UK, who is judged to be a messenger of God, what doctrine may be preached, what creed followed, and what liberties may be removed by Tesco.

And Cranmer would be more than happy to start a collection to assist with the Jedis’ legal expenses (and he will even put them in touch with one of the foremost legal minds in the area of religious liberty).


Anonymous Gawk said...

and King Charles 3 will be defender of "Faiths" including this one. Let the farce begin.

19 September 2009 at 13:52  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Would Tesco allow someone to enter wearing a bandana, folded diagonally and worn across the face, bandit style? They could claim that they were coming to worship the money in the cash drawers. It makes just as much sense.

19 September 2009 at 14:40  
Anonymous Stuart said...

"Cranmer exhorts him to pursue the matter through the courts"

I agree your Grace.

I spotted this in the news and popped it on my blog and am getting a lot of traffic through from the Church of Jedi folk and so will post your piece as an update to my original post!

Jedi ejected from Tesco for wearing hood – Daniel Jones, who created the International Church of Jediism, has accused Tesco of religious discrimination after he was banned from wearing a hood in one of its stores.

ps you will have to forgive me I did find the following rather humorous:-

“I’ll advise worshippers to boycott Tesco if it happens again. They will feel the Force.”

A Tesco spokesman said: “Jedi are very welcome to shop in our stores although we would ask them to remove their hoods.

“Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda and Luke Skywalker all went hoodless without going to the Dark Side.

“If Jedi walk around our stores with their hoods on, they’ll miss lots of special offers.”

19 September 2009 at 14:47  
Blogger Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs said...

“Tesco spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious.”

19 September 2009 at 14:52  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Your Grace, I suspect the Jedis have been singled out because of their propensity towards whipping out their light-sabres and waving them about a lot whereas no Muslim would dream of doing anything violent or rash...

19 September 2009 at 15:53  
Blogger Frugal Dougal said...

Tesco's lack of faith is disturbing.

19 September 2009 at 16:04  
Anonymous Stewart Cowan said...

Your Grace,

I boycott Tesco's for my own reasons, but on this occasion, I think we can safely say that Jedi is not a religion.

Or can we? Well, it's from a sci-fi film. It's made up. Obviously other religions are false as well. As Christians, we realise this, but Jedi can surely be seen to be fake and its adherents would appear to be *mocking* religion by claiming Jedi as their faith.

Sorry, but I won't be contributing to any whip-round unless it is for Mr Jones's rehabilitation back into society!

May the real Force be with him and us all.

19 September 2009 at 16:56  
Blogger Mark said...

I couldn't agree more. This shows the ridiculous situation we find ourselves in by proffering undeserved respect to some ludicrous beliefs but not others. Tescos (and the country as a whole) should either recognise all and every superstition, or none at all. Given the can of worms the first option would open up, the second is the only viable course of action.

19 September 2009 at 17:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Surely what is needed is an end to all these "laws" passed by pressure groups in their own interest to force the rest of us to do this or that, and the return of real liberty.

Until Tescos can refuse to serve a man because he is black, white, crippled, healthy, has red hair, is bald, or because they feel like it, there is no liberty in Britain.

Let the state and the busybodies get out of our faces, and let us all go about our lives without people shrieking at us.

Funny how when lefties screamed abuse at South Africa, that was "protest"; but if we express mild objections to something, that is "hate". The whole thing is a fraud, and all these "rules" only apply to non-lefties. The scam needs to end, NOW.

19 September 2009 at 23:20  
Blogger tim baxter said...

If we are to have equality amongst religions in the UK, then let us have equality amongst organised religion in the UK. Most people I think are religious. They are just not all members of an organised religion!

I have real problems with organised religions who dictate what people should believe.

This man is not evil, he's not subversive, he's not going to kill your children for kicks or religious hoooraaahs!

The problems in the world aren't caused by religion......they are caused by organised religion subverted by bad people! They are caused by doctrine, they are caused by blind adherance to subverted, twisted faith.

I am not a religious person, but I think personal faith is more important than a church doctrine. More important than a preacher telling you that his opinion is the way to think.

Oh whoops, I have gone off on one.. my apologies M'lord Cranmer, this is your space not mine. I'll withdraw.

20 September 2009 at 07:52  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Tim Baxter, I know exactly where you are coming from. I hold similar views to yourself and wrote a similar post many months ago. It's good to meet a fellow traveller. :D

20 September 2009 at 09:29  
Blogger gsw said...

A Christian couple (Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang) who run a hotel have been charged with a criminal offence for allegedly insulting a female Muslim guest about her beliefs. He remarked that Mohamed was a warlord, which is what it says in the Qur'an!

We are talking about a private conversation in LIVERPOOL" not Saudi.

While it is permissable to rant about killing Jews, throw bricks at peaceful anti-sharia Law protesters, practise treason in Luton or preach the takeover of Britain in Mosques, a couple have been arrested for remarks made in their own home in Liverpool.
So much for protecting free speech!

People, we need to claim England back from this idocity!

Please help these people, write to your MPs!!!

20 September 2009 at 09:32  
Anonymous Vincent John McKenzie said...

Your Grace and communicants, Tesco have stirred the Force and now have me as an issue; something they are not going to enjoy (trust me). I am a nuisance who knows no limits. I live 15 minutes away from Bangor Tesco, and I have my certificate of Jedi Church Membership (not that a certificate is needed to state one's faith).

A full apology to Morda Hehol will be the only thing that will prevent the full swing of my wrath. Tesco will either apologise or find themselves in the middle of a major hiatus of unnecessary embarrassment and uncomfortable protestations.

I kid them not. I am making plans as I type. They have not heard the end of this one.

20 September 2009 at 10:37  
Anonymous PaganPride said...

Slightly off topic - since Cranmer is offering well wishes for a variety of faith celebrations coming up - may I remind the august one that September 21st is the Autum Equinox so may be wellwishes for the Lughnasah Sabbat for the Northern Hemisphere and Ostara in the Southern perhaps?

Both festivals predate Christianity somewhat and both Lammas and Easter are based on them.

I'll get coat and pentagram now shall I??

20 September 2009 at 11:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does some A-rab own Tesco's?

20 September 2009 at 20:49  
Blogger arundel said...

Perhaps the jedi should start blowing themselves up - It seems the only criterion for being respected in this secular world..

20 September 2009 at 22:21  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

I take it that the Jedi are complaining presumambly because the force is not with them?

21 September 2009 at 09:27  
Blogger Terry Hamblin said...

The whole point about the Jedi is to expose the fact that so many religions are fantasies of man's imaginings. This is especially true of Islam, but could equally be applied to Scientology, JWs, Christadelphians, Christian Scientists and Mormons. There is only one true religion - the Christianity of the Bible.

21 September 2009 at 10:23  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...


Okay, prove you are right and they are all wrong.

Oh, you can't, conversation over then, don't make factual statements you can't back up.

21 September 2009 at 13:48  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Or were you being sarcastic, so hard to tell on the internet.

21 September 2009 at 13:48  
Blogger Botogol said...

@Terry Hamblin. You are so right about all those religions being fantasies of man's imaginings. We agree.
... except I go one religion further.

21 September 2009 at 13:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The force is strong with this one.

22 September 2009 at 15:54  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Got to agree with Botogol there, I just can't make my mind up whether you are being sarcastic or not.

"When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

23 September 2009 at 12:21  
Anonymous len said...

1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

6 October 2009 at 12:05  

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