Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Jacqui Smith humiliated as Geert Wilders UK ban overturned

Radio Netherlands are reporting that the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal in London has ruled that Dutch politician Geert Wilders should not have been refused entry to the United Kingdom in February.

This is a total humiliation for Jacqui Smith, who requested the ban, not to mention Gordon Brown and this whole tawdry Labour Government who have conspired to diminish our precious liberties and eradicated them systematically one by one.

Mr Wilders said he was ‘very happy’ about the ruling. He said the British government's decision to bar him had been politically motivated and described today’s ruling as ‘not a victory for me, only a victory for freedom of speech’. He said he would be consulting with his lawyers, and planned to travel to Britain at the earliest possible opportunity.

And will be assured of a hero's welcome and a media frenzy far in excess of anything he might have achieved had he not been persecuted and martyred by the Home Secretary.

Mr Wilders was originally invited to show his anti-Islam film ‘Fitna’ at the House of Lords, at the invitation of Lord Pearson and Baroness Cox. The film condemns the Qur’an as a ‘fascist book’ and warns against Islamic violence and the ‘Islamisation’ of Europe. Prior to his planned trip to the UK, an Amsterdam court ruled that he should be prosecuted for racial hatred – a case which is still pending.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith (who is not having a good week at all) refused Mr Wilders entry to the country because she said his visit would ‘threaten community security and therefore public security’. The Home Office said they would ‘stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country’. They therefore blocked Mr Wilders' visit on the basis of legislation designed primarily to keep out 'religious extremists' and ‘preachers of hate’.

Mr Wilders decided to defy the ban and flew to the UK anyway. He was detained when he arrived in London and put back on a plane to the Netherlands. The screening of ‘Fitna’ at the House of Lords went ahead without Mr Wilders, attended by reporters and a handful of politicians.

In response to today's ruling, a Home Office spokesman said, "We are disappointed by the court's decision today. The Government opposes extremism is all its forms. The decision to refuse Wilders admission was taken on the basis that his presence could have inflamed tensions between our communities and have led to inter-faith violence. We still maintain this view."

It is to be noted that this arrogant spokesman does not even have the courtesy to refer to the elected Dutch politician as Mr Wilders.

Doubtless Lord Ahmed will now be summoning his 10,000 co-religionists to descend on Parliament for peaceful protest, edifying debate and constructive dialogue.

Geert Wilders for EU President?


Anonymous Kafka said...

The unedifying omission of titles, even if only the humble Mr, is a long evident characteristic of this government and its parasites. It can frequently be heard on the BBC in the way that Thatcher, Hague, Osborne, Howard, Cameron et al are routinely stripped of their titles and their Christian names.

13 October 2009 at 16:06  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Geert Wilders for Prime Minister, Your Grace.

13 October 2009 at 16:08  
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13 October 2009 at 16:09  
Anonymous WannabeAnglican said...

Wonderful news. It is so sweet to see Labour's totalitarian cowards put in their place.

13 October 2009 at 16:13  
Blogger Umar Ahmed said...

Let Wilders in and speak. Oh, and show that video he made, which he is so famed for. It's a poorly produced piece of work and hardly a sensible thought out piece of logic. But by all means, scare people. Why not? If his arguments are so bad I'm sure that there are people wise enough out there to line them up and knock them down. If Wilders represents the equivalent of the BNP in The Netherlands then I am sure that the support he receives in Britain will likely mirror that of the local BNP boys. There seems to have been a fuss created about nothing.

13 October 2009 at 16:31  
Blogger ukipwebmaster said...

Geert Wilders - From the archives:




13 October 2009 at 16:31  
Blogger moorlandhunter said...

It is great to hear that the ban on a democratically elected fellow European parliamentarian has been overturned as unlawful.
The ban was an outright infringement on free speech of a fellow EU Parliamentarian by a morally corrupt Labour Government who thinks it can run from issue to issue without valid reasons and enforce rules that do smack of totalitarianism and for why? To try and gag him for holding views that Labour find uncomfortable but many people see as reasoned and valid. Listening to him on Youtube not one comment he made was racist, hateful or in anyway inciting people to hate. All he says that people who move to Europe because of its freedoms should embrace the values and if they do not wish to embrace those values then they can remove themselves to the country of their choice which holds the values they seek.
Is the fatwah still in force on his life and does he still have 24 hour armed guards because of the threats to his life from people who do not embrace freedom?

13 October 2009 at 16:38  
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13 October 2009 at 17:17  
Anonymous Southwood said...

At last a piece of good news ! Welcome to the UK Geert. A most hearty welcome when you come. You are a very brave and honest man. Enraged Muslim mobs ? Bring it on ! Let's have it all out in the open. Debate the Quran in the media next ? Maybe that's too much to hope for.

13 October 2009 at 18:01  
Anonymous nemo_sum said...

Never mind, Ms Smith - I'm sure the £100 000 plus you walked away with for an apology that you wouldn't accept from your children will be of more comfort to you than any sense of having done the wrong thing.

13 October 2009 at 18:15  
Blogger Tommy 3 Lions said...

Welcome Geert.

13 October 2009 at 19:43  
Blogger Frugal Dougal said...

It's unusual for me to feel anything approaching compassion for a Labour minister, but I think her humiliation as a woman and a wife at the hands of her husband eclipses anything the tribunal can visit upon her.

But it'll be good to see Geert within our shores!

13 October 2009 at 19:55  
Anonymous Capt. Kirk said...

Your Grace,
Perhaps this site may help to give an idea as to what Mr Wilders is in danger of talking about.


13 October 2009 at 20:35  
Anonymous len said...

There are countless muslims in the world who draw their inspiration from the Qur`an.
Perhaps as his Grace suggests we could have some edifying discussions on the content on the Qur`an and the purposes and the intentions of Islam?

13 October 2009 at 21:15  
Anonymous Maturecheese said...

Geert Wilders is worth 100 Tony Blairs and if he was EU president I would be a lot happier than I am going to be when Tony Liar takes up his ill gotten post.

13 October 2009 at 21:21  
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13 October 2009 at 22:41  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Ms Jacqueline Smith is probably the worst Home Secretary we have had in living memory.

(I refuse to describe any of these politicians by their so called matey first names).

Have we had one before caught with their hand in the till?

And of course appointed by Brown.

13 October 2009 at 23:03  
Blogger ZZMike said...

"... a Home Office spokesman said, "We are disappointed by the court's decision today. The Government opposes extremism is all its forms."

How can they say that with a straight face, while tolerating Islam - even elevating it above the country's own time-honored religion?

I don't agree that Mr Wilders should become PM - that would waste his talents and put him out of circulation in doing what he does now.

Kudos to McKenzie for "it's a crucial part of the fire evacuation procedure."

13 October 2009 at 23:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace:

Slightly off-topic, but I am a fan of motor racing.

Has anyone seen Geert Wilders and Nico Rosberg in the same room together?

I thought not...

13 October 2009 at 23:46  
Anonymous Hank Petram said...

Smith should resign.

14 October 2009 at 00:11  
Anonymous BL@KBIRD said...

Prince Ahmed and the 10,000 Immortals will not allow this.

14 October 2009 at 00:11  
Anonymous sydneysider said...

As a supporter of free speech I am
pleased that Mr Wilders is allowed
to speak in England.What is there to fear from a speech?

As I will be in London soon I hope to have the opportunity to attend one of his lectures.I may not agree with all his opinions but I would like the opportunity to disagree.Isn't this this the whole idea of a civilizd society?
If a section of the community does not have the education or self restraint to abstain from physical
violence or bomb throwing then they should be incarcerated and not
released until rehabilitated.The minority is controlling the majority through fear and terror
tactics. Who wants to live like this?

14 October 2009 at 04:57  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Mr Ahmed

I have seen the film, "Fitna", and I agree with your summation that it contains, in your own words, "...hardly a sensible thought out piece of logic."

That is because there is nothing logical about extremists committing atrocities in the name of their god because a book tells them it is their raison d'etre. The same goes for any stripe of religious fundamental extremism, not just the Islamic variety.

You attack the messenger with ad hominem disparagement yet say nothing about the contents of the message. Why should actual footage of acts of Islamic terrorism, coupled with quotes from the Qur'an fundamental extremists use to justify such appalling violence, merit no comment from you? Is religious extremism less worthy of comment than the person who commissioned the film?

You also accuse people who support Geert Wilders' right to free speech of being "BNP boys." That accusation is not only wildly inaccurate, it is disingenuous. For your information, this girl wouldn't so much as spit on Nick Griffin, or any of his henchmen, if they were on fire. Such is the contempt in which I hold them.

14 October 2009 at 09:04  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

The Court should have ordered the Home Office to pay the price of the ticket and other costs which their prejudged- and State terrorist behaviour cost Mr.Geert Wilders!

Mr. Ahmed immediately vomited his threats on Dutch TV last night, saying "this would not go without consequwences!

The EVIL that made all this possible - and Ahmed should never have been Lord - was to open the public arena in all our Western nations to muslims! PRIOR to opening the possibility to be in any public office, including functions like the post-office, the police, the department of Defense, and allow muslims to vote, is the REQUIREMENT that muslims renounce Islam's - and the Quran's 's racial stand & it's JIHAD (which means struggle, exactly like Hitler's book "Mein Kampf" - which is German for "STRUGGLE"): It's call for violance against, and murder of, and overthrow of all non-muslim believers ('Kafirs,' which includes all Christians, as they do NOT teach and practice what Mohammed commanded!) etc. Not only thát should have been reuired PRIOR to giving them any rights, including the right of freedom of religion - Islam does NOT desreve to have this right for obvious reasons. One also does not grant the right to a child to carry and use a gun! For obvious reasons: He does not have the maturity to use it! Neither do muslims have the maturity to live in a FREE SOCIETY! They will always abuse this freedom - like a cuckoo to grow and throw out the autochtone, the original inhabitants - to take over! Sharia law is the last thing you can allow. Those politcians etc. who have allowed this are the very worst TRAITORS and should be prosecuted and executed for TREASON!

Obviously not only do these traitors of our free and civilised society have porridge for a brain, they have NO HEART! Their only god is their wallet! And that is why their god is now falling!

The responses of the Home Office and Ahmed show that IT IS WAR! There is nothing civil about it. These traitors can not be converted. They have no respect, let alone tolerance for others but themselves. Their ultimate punishment is the only way to VICTORY over the EVIL, which they are!

ISLAM IS a MALIGNANT CANCER! And you do not negotiate, respect, allow a malignant cancer in your body! For it will kill you, if you do not kill it first! There is nothing sweet about it! YOU can try to postpone this - as our COWARDS of politicians and other traitors have done for decades, allowing the cancer to grow, but you can not escape this fate!

Watch this, and start obeying God's command: MULTIPLY! And refuse to listen to the LIARS who have been lying about 'world-overpopulation' and 'environment' and so many many other lies, propagated by our hostile media! Muslim Demographics: ISLAM WINS if we continue to disobey God's command to MULTIPLY

14 October 2009 at 09:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'There seems to have been a fuss created about nothing.'

The 'fuss' mister is about one of the cornerstones of a democracy: what is and what is not permitted under the current socialist terror in the zone of free speech.

14 October 2009 at 10:09  
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14 October 2009 at 10:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The debate about where the line should be drawn - for example, allowing anti-Christian propaganda on the one hand, but prohibiting anti-semitic speech on the other - is not one heading towards some universal truth, only a weathervane of contemporary sensitivities, which change over time. Everyone has such a trigger point, which is either acknowledged at the beginning or emerges in a moment of crisis. As Stanley Fish, Professor of Law and English at Duke University in North Carolina, observed in a journal interview:
"Most of us today would not say, "Well, of course, you understand I don't mean toleration of Catholics". But we would say things like, "I don't mean toleration of neo-nazis" or "I don't mean toleration of discourses advocating child molestation". There is no-one in the history of the world who has ever been in favour of free speech."
This makes the legal argument over where the constraints should cut in a largely sterile one. All the balancing tests at the heart of free speech jurisprudence - the rights of individuals to free expression versus other rights and values, are therefore no more than gestures of current prejudice. In so far as they are principles they are empty rhetoric, unattached to any real content.

Rosalind English, Barrister commenting on the case of Prolife Alliance v BBC [2002] EWCA Civ 297 – challenging the BBC’s ban on the Prolife Alliance’s Party Election Broadcast

14 October 2009 at 10:33  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

Watch these videos...and ask yourself: Is This What We will allow our 'tolerant' (they only tolerate 'liberals' & muslims and such; but will fight TRUTH-loving, honest, moral, civilised with all they have. There is NO GREY! We must identify these AS OUR MORTAL ENEMIES ) authorities to make our countries into?

Once again: The ONLY way a body can survive is by killing the malignant cancer! Or it will kill us!

Watch this (Click on the blue text): CBN News: Malmö, Sweden - Growing muslim influence (SVENSK TEXT)

And: Open Your Eyes, SWEDEN

14 October 2009 at 10:42  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

Your Grace - I duly noted that the BBC reluctantly aired this item last night, but was very careful to refer to the Gentleman as "that far right politician".

I think this only goes to show just how far to the left the BBC really has got.

Still, it was worth a smile....one in the eye for the Beeb, anyway....arrogant bunch of cr**ins that they are, not only at the beck and call of Brussels, but positively fawning over the ey and all its horrible works.

And, like you, I now await with considerable interest to see the state's reaction when the promised 10,000 miltant marching mussies take to London's streets peacefully baying for the blood of the unbeliever. Would they be banned? I doubt it, somehow, because it would be all Geert's fault for "incitement" you see

14 October 2009 at 13:08  
Blogger Umar Ahmed said...

D. Singh seems to misinterpret what I said. The 'fuss' I spoke of was created by the current government. Not by advocates of free speech (a group I would include myself in). Mr Wilders arguments might be reasonably argued against in an open debate. One which I am sure those opposed to his views (and the insinuations that accompany these views) would not turn down.

14 October 2009 at 13:37  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

"allowing anti-Christian propaganda on the one hand, but prohibiting anti-semitic speech on the other"

I don't think it's quite as simple as that. All to often this whole debate seems to muddy the waters between negative messages on the against the religion and negative messages against the religious.

If I was to say for instance that all practioners of Christianity are stupid and should be shot, this is not the same as saying that Christianity is stupid and should be abolished.

I believe one of the messages from your "messiah" was hate the sin not the sinner (I may be paraphrasing, i'm not entirely sure but you can feel free to correct me if I got it wrong).

I think it is exactly the same thing here.

I have no time for any religion/faiths, Jewish, Christian, Islamic or otherwise. This does not for one second mean that I have no time for th religious a lot of them have valid contributions to make towards society, there is no reason that the contibution that a religious person makes to society should be religious in nature though.

What I do object to is the religious pushing their beliefs onto people that have no time for their belief. In other words laws being made to protect religions from negative speech.

Which brings us back round to the original statement. I don't think that we do allow anti-Christian propaganda on the one hand, but prohibit anti-semitic speech on the other. I think what we do is prohibit hateful speech against individuals or groups of individuals whilst allowing opposing views (maybe some not presented very well however) against institutions and states of mind.

Is it any different really from the religious branding the atheist as being an evil immoral murdering baby eating rapist?

14 October 2009 at 13:55  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

And on the subject of the EU president.

How about we just don't have one and they can shove the EU.

Then leave the room remembering not to let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

14 October 2009 at 13:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Ahmed,

If you think of this world as a place intended simply for our happiness, you’ll find it quite intolerable: think of it as a place of training and correction and it's not so bad.

Prof. C. S. Lewis

Answers to Questions on Christianity

14 October 2009 at 14:02  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

I think of the world as a place.

It is not intended for our happiness or otherwise, it is not intended for us, it is not even intended.

It just is.

We just happen to be alive on it, we only contemplate our existence because we exist.

Word verification:

Quitypo, could this be a cutesy way of asking me to cease?

14 October 2009 at 14:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The New Labour government’s feverish last days are making for a pitiful spectacle. Fascists and neo-Nazis dominate its waking dreams. Each and every place New Labour looks, anti-Semites and racists gawp back. It seems that the more purposeless New Labour becomes, the more determined it is to see the far right everywhere. We may not have much going for us, runs the thinking of this politically exhausted organism, but at least we’re not EVIL.

The Conservative Party have been the latest recipients of New Labour’s febrile moral posturing.

Full Article on Spiked:

New Labour’s phoney battle with fascism

14 October 2009 at 14:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Far-right Dutch MP Geert Wilders plans to visit the UK on Friday after successfully appealing against a Home Office ban on him entering the country.

14 October 2009 at 15:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace,

‘It is not intended for our happiness or otherwise, it is not intended for us, it is not even intended.

‘It just is.

‘We just happen to be alive on it, we only contemplate our existence because we exist.’

What this failed communicant is saying is that there is no difference between that lump of matter in his skull and a meteorite sailing by. That is why his contemplation is meaningless. Indeed, if he contemplates he cannot know why or where he got that faculty from.

Following his ‘logic’ he may conclude that the Mediterranean may one day produce a map of itself.

14 October 2009 at 15:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should the film Fitna be shown in the UK?

Join the debate on Victoria Derbyshire's blog Radio 5 Live

14 October 2009 at 15:34  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

"What this failed communicant is saying is that there is no difference between that lump of matter in his skull and a meteorite sailing by. That is why his contemplation is meaningless. Indeed, if he contemplates he cannot know why or where he got that faculty from.

Following his ‘logic’ he may conclude that the Mediterranean may one day produce a map of itself."

I don't think I said any of this at all to be honest.

But having said that, at an atomic level I would almost agree with you.

But that would also be to say that I almost agree with Democritus, and I do, I just think he would have gotten closer to the truth had he had the aid of scientific advancement we have today.

So yup, on an atomic level there isn't a great deal of difference between that lump of matter in my (or yours or anyones for that matter) skull and a meteorite sailing by. Just how they all fit together in to the bigger picture that provides a difference.

I always find it amusing when you cite my logic (although your version of my logic) and then go on to produce the hilirious conclusion based on your own flawed logic.

And unless the atoms of the Mediterranean manage to reform themselves into a sentient structure then I do not believe that one day it may produce a map of itself.

However, it might happen, you never know, god might click his fingers and his will be done.

Good day.

14 October 2009 at 15:57  
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14 October 2009 at 17:23  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...


I would go one further and suggest that there is no secret, no main purpose and no reason to life.

Like I said previously, existence is existence because it exists, it just is.

Word Verification: Facto

Take that to mean what you will, must it be a sign from god?

I know people would love for there to be a reason, some all powerful being looking over us but that requires a leap of faith by blocking out everything around you.

We are so insignificant in this grand old universe that the leap of faith just cannot be for me.

I find it massively ego-centric to believe that we are that important.

So I am in complete agreement with you. Don't bother trying to search for god, just enjoy your life, it's the only one you have.

I heard an attempt at an explanation once that I thought was quite well put:

Imagine that it begins to rain. A single puddle begins to form in an single concave portion of a massively convex area. The water runs off everywhere else except this one portion.

The rain stops, the sun comes out. Over time the puddle develops intelligence.

It begins to think how it came into being.

It cannot comprehend what came before it. But it reaches the conclusion that it must have been a huge jug of water that fashioned this area for a puddle to form and once it had finished forming this area it pours some of the water into the area it had formed.

This surely is the only likely explanation?

I didn't present it quite as succiently as it's initial incarnation but I am trying to recall it from memory.

14 October 2009 at 17:31  
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14 October 2009 at 17:48  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

The point that the story makes is that it is a rather simplistic leap of faith to assume that a jug of water placed the puddle there knowinglym When an equally amazing force of nature was responsible for the puddles existence.

But I suppose you can take what you want from it.

Word verification: Rests

And so I will.

14 October 2009 at 18:09  
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14 October 2009 at 18:56  
Anonymous Ron Todd said...

I have noticed that young children make up stories to explain what they are ignorant off.

When I was young I thought cars were faster than push bikes because they had more wheels. It took a long time to persuade me otherwise.

How much harder then was it for me to discard the stories told to me by teachers parents and the local minister?

14 October 2009 at 20:08  
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14 October 2009 at 21:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, as long as the mainstream parties continue to bury their heads in the sand, when immigration or Islam is mentioned, then the more problems we can expect, people are genuinely concerned and without being racist, about Islamic terrorism, and about the impact that mass immigration is having on their country, in terms of the strain on things like schools, NHS the benifit system etc, but the mainstream parties and the establishment in general are just NOT prepared to talk about these issues, and that is why we now have BNP Euro MP's and this trend is set to continue as long as this attitude remains.

14 October 2009 at 23:36  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Completely agree Anon.

But I would add to that I am just as worried about the mentality of home grown issues too.

Violence, benefit culture,
Uneducated masses.

To illustrate my point I believe there was a bigger outcry last week over the fact that Danni Minouge mentioned that some never will be Kareoke singer was being called gay in the country's gutter press, than there is about the fact that there is still no referendum on entering Europe.

Kind of just goes to show the average level of inteligence in this country today. The TV companies can just keep shoveling the shit cheap TV, Strictly Come Dancing, X - Factor, Celebrity Love island the list is endless. And the mindless masses just keep lapping it all up meanwhile the world changes around them without them even realising what is happening and it is all being masterminded by the people that were put in their occupation by the masses to represent them.

15 October 2009 at 10:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The underpants bomber was "educated" while in Londonistan. The UK have become a breeding ground for radical Islamists since its government has sold the country to Islamic investors. Sharia law has been established as a parallel judicial system!!!
The UK should be kicked out of the EU and its citizens be prohibited to enter the free West without a visa. Thank you.

Sim One - The free West

11 January 2010 at 02:30  

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