Friday, October 02, 2009

Vatican urges Ireland to vote NO in Lisbon referendum

At last, there is discernment.
At last, the blind now see.
At last, there is hope.

Today the people of the Republic of Ireland vote in their second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. They gave the wrong answer last year, despite a 'slick' marketing campaign to lure them into the Lisbon web. So their government has generously granted them the opportunity to repent, though not quite at leisure. Brian Cowen, the Irish Prime Minister, has promised voters that he has secured ‘legal guarantees’ from the EU that Ireland's neutrality and tax policy will remain unaffected, and its traditional Roman Catholic stance on issues such as the family and abortion will remain untouched.

It is not true, of course. It is still the same treaty, nothing has changed. The Irish people are being asked to affirm precisely the same dense and complicated document that they rejected last year. It still legislates for an EU ‘foreign secretary’, a permanent president (Blair - 'within weeks'?), and it removes member states’ vetoes in several areas, in particular to questions related to justice and home affairs. And it still includes the ‘passerelle’ clause, which permits the EU to extend its jurisdiction over precisely those areas Brian Cowen asserts are inviolable – without the inconvenience of having to refer back to national parliaments or endure the indignity of further referenda. It remains a self-amending treaty. It is an instrument of oppression.

Nothing has changed except the economic context. The financial crisis has rocked the country, turning it from having a much-admired and booming economy into the economic sick man of Europe, where the bottom has fallen out of the housing market, the banks are broke, unemployment is in double figures and GDP has dropped sharply.

A vote for Lisbon is being portrayed as a vote for jobs and economic recovery. Rejection means Ireland will 'sink without a trace'.

But in an astonishing intervention, quite out of character with previous Vatican pronouncements on matters relating to the EU, Bruno Waterfield reports that Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Vatican Secretary of State, has warned the people of Ireland that the European Union threatens their country's ‘identity, traditions and history’.

The Republic is estimated to be about 90 per cent Roman Catholic. Of course, in recent decades there has been a massive decline in adherence to the faith with regard to regular Mass attendance, but affiliation remains a strong cultural expression. While this intervention is a veritable Gloria in Excelsis to His Grace, it will be a Missa Solemnis to the Irish government and the European Commission, who have poured millions of euros into the ‘Yes’ campaign, despite their own rules forbidding such intervention.

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone’s comments echo those made by Pope John Paul II as the ‘European Constitution’ was being drawn up in at the turn of the millennium. When the draft first appeared, there were objections that the document moved directly from acknowledgement of the influence of Greek and Roman cultural influence on European identity and culture, to that of the Enlightenment. The fact that there had been a few millennia of Christian influence in the interim was completely omitted.

The Cardinal said:

“Individual European countries have their own identity. The EU prescribes its laws or views to them and they do not have to fit with their traditions and history. Some countries are logically resisting this – for example, Ireland. If Europe recognised homosexual couples as equal to marriage, for example, it would go against its own history. And it would be right to stand against it. The Church wants to encourage states in this."

The Church wants to encourage EU states to assert their individual identities?


This is the first time there has been Vatican affirmation of the historic Protestant Christian identity and tradition of the United Kingdom.

This intervention is an immense blow to the obsessively-secular EU, which seeks to ‘prescribe laws and customs’ which are antithetical to Christian history and tradition. The disgraceful treatment meted out to Italy’s prospective commissioner Rocco Buttiglione revealed what had hitherto been covert. The imposition of secularism as an assertion of ‘neutrality’ on the part of the state (for the EU is a de facto state, if not increasingly de jure) challenges the distinctive Christian moral vision of the common good.

In the politically liberal EU, there can be no coercive or even cohesive state theology and no insistence that such a theology should even be necessary. The state is primarily if not exclusively the mechanism by which the happiness of the individual is promoted and individual fulfilment is realised. Thus King George VII, by the grace of God the next British Monarch, will not only be head of state but ‘Defender of Faith’ rather than ‘Defender of the Faith’. There is no dissuasion from holding on to spiritual or moral principles, but neither is there encouragement or insistence that one must do so. It is not a crude sacred/secular, church/state or private/public divide, but the perpetual assertion of a via media of ‘neutrality’.

This is the EU’s political paradigm. In a sense , it is a logical consequence of Protestant thought which has influenced the political and social order: Locke was only one who asserted that toleration and the rights of private conscience are themselves hallmarks of Christianity. Neutrality is one of the principal goals of the liberal state because society, being composed of a plurality of persons, each with his own aims, interests, and conceptions of the good, is best arranged when it is governed by principles that do not themselves presuppose any particular conception of the good.

There is an evident dilemma in seeking neutrality of political effect because intrinsic to the pursuit of any policy is the likelihood that it will have a detrimental effect on at least one conception of the good to the manifest benefit of another. But there are manifestly circumstances in which it is unfair to act neutrally – where there are not even prima facie reasons to be neutral.

Neutrality appeals to the EU’s egalitarian instinct that one group should not be more advantaged or enjoy greater privileges than another, but it leaves unresolved the need to adjudicate between competing conceptions of the good. It is manifestly necessary to deem some conceptions as being legitimate or beneficial and others as not. In doing so, there is a need to refer to some ‘higher code’ which, in liberal Western democracies, has traditionally been identified with Christianity and the principles of the Enlightenment. These, in England, have historically been embodied and articulated by the Church of England (or worldwide through the Anglican Communion).

In the EU, the ‘higher code’ is an aggressive assertion of Enlightenment secularism. Its creed is godlessness, and the only acceptable expression of spirituality is that of Gaia – earth worship. And so ‘global warming’ and the environment are deemed sufficient to unite mankind.

Declan Ganley, the leader of Libertas, which is campaigning for a No vote, is of the opinion that Cardinal Bertone represents the Roman Catholic Church's true position. He said: “I welcome these comments and encourage all practicing Catholics to take them on board before they cast their ballots.”

Cranmer exhorts them to do the same, to heed warning of the Cardinal.

The result is due tomorrow afternoon.

If Ireland votes No, the Lisbon Treaty should be dead.

If Ireland votes Yes, David Cameron has a slight problem.


Blogger Red Kite said...

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2 October 2009 at 09:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, these Vatican comments have been made too late in the day.

2 October 2009 at 09:23  
Anonymous Maturecheese said...

Your Grace, its nice to see the Catholic Church defending the faith, even if it is a little late in this instance. If only a similar attitude was taken by the CofE here over various issues.

2 October 2009 at 09:45  
Anonymous fionn said...

The American Chamber of companies have threatened 'serious' disinvestment should Ireland vote no. There is really no other option.

2 October 2009 at 10:07  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Your Grace, let's hope the Vatican's eleventh hour intervention pays off. If it doesn't, and the Irish vote goes to the "yes" faction, we are all so very screwed.

2 October 2009 at 10:09  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Thank you.

2 October 2009 at 10:22  
Blogger D. Singh said...


There is no American Chamber of Companies.

If there is, provide a link.

Or, is yours the politics of fear and not of the actual?

Come, present your views. The floor is yours.

2 October 2009 at 10:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So if they vote yes, which is looking highly probable, and when everything goes pear-shaped, we can all blame the paddies for apostasy and idolatry. God has spoken through His representative on Earth. And if Tone of Blairc becomes the EU master then He will be doing so out of defiance of God's will.

This can only have one result...plagues descending upon us in the form of horsemen of the Apocalypse. We will be doomed as the book of Revelation unfolds with all its devilish magnitude. Oh Holy Christ save us!

2 October 2009 at 10:46  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

Only one reason for this,that rome is hedging its bets,despite disinformation that the yes camp are winning,rome seems to believe otherwise or there would have been no eleventh hour intervention.Meanwhile europe prays for a NO!

2 October 2009 at 11:20  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Anon - your warning arrives too late:

‘This can only have one result...plagues descending upon us in the form of horsemen of the Apocalypse. We will be doomed as the book of Revelation unfolds with all its devilish magnitude.’

All 27 EU heads of State have signed up to the Union for the Mediterranean.

Soon the long-awaited beast that arises out of the Sea shall appear, written about in the Book of Daniel.

2 October 2009 at 12:08  
Anonymous Stuart said...

Ireland, Pleeeeeease for the love of God, just say NO!

2 October 2009 at 12:09  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Even if the Holy See fails to deliver, all is far from lost—a knight on a white charger (in the shape of His Grace’s favourite MEP) is optimistic that Britons will be able to vote on the Lisbon Treaty:

I am increasingly confident that Britain will get its referendum. I’m not in a position to explain why at this stage, but our hand is stronger than is generally supposed. I know this won’t do for some of my readers, but I’m afraid that, for now, you’ll just have to take my word for it.

Time will tell if Hannan speaks with forked tongue.

•Johnny Rottenborough•

2 October 2009 at 12:10  
Anonymous john said...

thanks for thee post

2 October 2009 at 12:25  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Rottenborough,

It is His Grace's experience that Mr Hannan never speaks with forked tongue: he is a man of impeccable integrity and the utmost honesty.

2 October 2009 at 12:26  
Anonymous fionn said...

Mr Singh, please forgive me, I meant American Chamber of Commerce.

2 October 2009 at 12:35  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Your Grace, Mr Hannan, no matter how much admiration I have for him, is not the leader of the Tory party. Cameron is the one we want to hear promising something solid about an EU referendum. From him all we get are are weasel promises that are both meaningless and vacuous. The man is spineless.

2 October 2009 at 12:38  
Blogger Gnostic said...

fionn - is there a link to the story you refer to?

2 October 2009 at 12:39  
Blogger D. Singh said...


I forgive you.


Sin no more. And vote against the Lisbon (Constitutional) Treaty.

2 October 2009 at 12:39  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mrs Gnostic,

His Grace assures you that Mr Hannan is a veritable vertibrate.

2 October 2009 at 12:50  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Thank you, Your Grace. If they vote 'no,' one might even pay to visit those bones!

If they vote 'yes' (or it can be made to seem so), - then methinks Freedom has Drawn its Last Gasp.

[Re Apocrypa:] The floods and muds have reached Italy today - shows my computer news. Days 'in earth' indeed.

Me - I'm on painkillers anyway; so can wake up to the results in a few hours.

2 October 2009 at 12:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joshua 10:6

6. And the men of Gibeon sent unto Joshua to the camp to Gilgal, saying, Slack not thy hand from thy servants; come up to us quickly, and save us, and help us: for all the kings of the Amorites that dwell in the mountains are gathered together against us.

2 October 2009 at 13:06  
Blogger Red Kite said...

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2 October 2009 at 13:11  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Your Grace, I am not disputing that Mr. Hannan has a backbone. It is my belief he has a rather strong, upstanding one. I was referring to the fact that I do not believe Mr Cameron to be any kind of vertebrate. In fact I'd place him in phylum porifera. Or perhaps phylum arthropoda.

2 October 2009 at 13:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joshua 10:12-14

12.Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

13.And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

14.And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

2 October 2009 at 13:22  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Och! Anon

If the Lord would stop the sun in its orbit for one more hour to persuade the brave Irish to vote 'No!' - and remain a free people.

2 October 2009 at 13:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, despite his good points, I don't trust Daniel Hannan on EU: he wants Islamic Turkey in, as do Lab/Lib Dems/Tory parties. No to the Islamization of EU!

2 October 2009 at 14:05  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Why did you write King George VII? Why not King Charles III?

Is it because of what happened during and after the English Civil War?

2 October 2009 at 14:22  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

In the politically liberal EU, there can be no coercive or even cohesive state theology and no insistence that such a theology should even be necessary.

If that theology is Christian, then the EU certainly has no time for it. With the merger of the European Union and the Union for the Mediterranean to form Eurabia, however, it is highly probable that the religion of choice for dictatorships—Islam—will be co-opted. The élites of Europe may even be imitating the methodology used in Saudi Arabia, where the religious power of the Al Wahhab family was harnessed to the political power of the Al Saud family.

The way that political élites throughout Europe defend Islam (doing their best to convince us that it is the ‘religion of peace’) can only mean they foresee a use for that most authoritarian of all religions. Christianity—and in particular Protestantism—is a profound nuisance to dictatorships in that it thrives on free thought. The blogger Fjordman recently wrote: ‘Throughout all of European history, no single authority has ever been able to successfully censor ideas throughout the entire Continent...The EU and national multicultural élites are now purposefully destroying what has traditionally been Europe's greatest comparative advantage: high IQ combined with free inquiry.’

I’ll give Your Grace that Hannan is honest; in a recent blog he wrote, ‘When the Tories were in the EPP, we had remarkably little to do.’ Hundreds of thousands of pounds a year for doing very little. Lucky old Dan.

Word Verification: orledi. ‘Our Lady’ in an Irish brogue?

2 October 2009 at 14:32  
Blogger Manfarang said...

D Singh 12:39
More a case of


Sinn Fein no more

Vote Yes.

2 October 2009 at 14:45  
Blogger Janice said...

How can Tony Blair - now openly devout in his Catholic faith - put himself forward as a potential President of the EU, if the Pope is telling Ireland to vote against it, because its laws will legitimise abortion and homosexuality ?

2 October 2009 at 14:57  
Blogger ukipwebmaster said...

Yes or No? Which way will the Irish vote?

2 October 2009 at 14:57  
Blogger D. Singh said...


We cannot gain access to YouTube. We are desperate for news on how the referendum in Ireland is progressing.

Please could you give a brief summary?

2 October 2009 at 15:00  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Singh,

His Royal Highness has already indicated that he will take his fourth Christian name on acceding to the Throne, for the precise reason you identify.

English kings named Charles tend to experience the occasional bout of bad luck.

2 October 2009 at 15:02  
Anonymous Smeagol said...

Children of the new revolution we are...Gollum...Gollum! The precious, one ring to rule them all....Gollum!

2 October 2009 at 15:23  
Blogger Manfarang said...

In Co Donegal this week a grotto statue took on human form and wept,say witnesses.

2 October 2009 at 15:35  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Your Grace, having seen the YouTube video that ukipwebmaster so kindly gave a link to, I was surprised by a factoid shared by the Czech journalist.

Has Cameron written to Vaclav Klaus (a staunch vertebrate) to ask him to hang on and not ratify the Liesbon Treaty before our General Election? Is this the matter Hannan was alluding to? Might Cameron possess a bit of a vestigil spine and some political Eds after all? If so why doesn't he share this knowledge? Why keep pissed off and disaffected Tory voters in the dark over this interesting little gem?

Enquiring Gnostics would like to know...

2 October 2009 at 15:40  
Blogger D. Singh said...


What was the factoid?

2 October 2009 at 15:45  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Mr. Singh - one of the speakers was a Czech freelance journalist. She told Nigel Farage that Cameron had written to Vaclav Klaus and asked him not to ratify the Liesbon Treaty before our General Election.

I'd like to know the truth of her claim because it is important to us all. I can't bring myself to take anything that a journalist says at face value.

2 October 2009 at 15:55  
Blogger D. Singh said...


Thank you. I can go home now.

2 October 2009 at 16:00  
Blogger Gnostic said...

PS, If it's true then that might just give us an exit from Liesbon if Cameron lives up to his promise. If he is trying to deliver that promise by delaying ratification then I may have done him an injustice by calling him spineless. If what the journalist said is, in fact, true.

Maybe there is hope for us all. Miracle anyone?

2 October 2009 at 16:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


At the end of the day life will still suck. You need to learn to trust your instincts.


2 October 2009 at 16:09  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Anon @ 16.09.

Life will suck that little bit less without the Liesbon Treaty hanging around our necks like a ten ton albatross.

If Vaclav Klaus has still not ratified the treaty come GE day then I may have to reconsider my voting preferences depending on what Cameron does. Meanwhile my instincts are still indicating UKIP. :0)

2 October 2009 at 16:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I have consulted the runes only to find stones with scratches on, I have consulted the I Ching and found nothing dissimilar to tesco bar codes, I have drank tea from the leaves of a pot only to have a mouth full of horrible black things, I have cast the bones of a dead seagull upon the dunes of my local beach only to have my eyes filled with sand, I have drank nettle tea on a full moon and found it too cold and replaced my clothes, I have cast salt over my shoulder and been hospitalised by the person who was behind me, I have consulted a gypsy tarot reader and had the same result from the Sun's premium rate number, I have read the gnostic gospels and fallen asleep, I have prayed to God, on numerous occasions, and nothing out of the ordinary has been seen or heard, and you think that UKIP are going to be able to remove a ten ton albatross from around your neck?

2 October 2009 at 17:22  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Anon @ 17:22

...and you think that UKIP are going to be able to remove a ten ton albatross from around your neck?

Nope. But at least I'll be protest voting for people who would like to bury the albatross. That's unless Cameron comes up with something I can't ignore. He has suddenly become a person of interest to me.

As for your fortunetelling tribulations, have you ever tried computer modelling? I hear techno-predictions work wonders for economists and warmists. They might not be able to forecast credit crunches and recessions or predict the weather for the end of the week, for the summer or winter, but by heck they reckon they're spot on for 50 years down the line...


2 October 2009 at 17:53  
Anonymous Daniel said...


Why don't you write to the conservatives and ask them directly about your questions and concerns? I have found that all the main parties will eventually reply. Some things, though, go without saying for me and I am happy with the pre-defined characteristics so I don't need to ask any questions.

There is no guarantee that lions will eat you in the jungle but I am happy to accept that the potential is huge because this is their general nature, risking the exception is not a chance to take for me.

2 October 2009 at 18:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HAD I the heavens' embroidered cloths,
Enwrought with golden and silver light,
The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
Of night and light and the half-light,
I would spread the cloths under your feet:
But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet,
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams

2 October 2009 at 21:36  
Anonymous Hank Petram said...

Your Grace,

"English kings named Charles tend to experience the occasional bout of bad luck," you say. But only half of them so far have come to a sticky end, haven't they? The other half are celebrated for the merriness of their monarchy.

2 October 2009 at 23:15  
Blogger Gnostic said...

The exit polls aren't looking encouraging.


3 October 2009 at 00:16  
Anonymous non mouse said...

I don't know why anyone trusts the polls - pre, during, or post!

Not when the euSSR's involved.

3 October 2009 at 01:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well it seems the Dublin government is getting set to stuff the ballot boxes.

Police promising to arrest anyone asking for the number of votes cast at polling stations, a constitutional right in the republic of Ireland.

Seems the Irish government have be well bought.

As for the Vatican, too little too late.

Also the bits of the treaty that Ireland was promised wouldn't apply to them; that may be another lie.

3 October 2009 at 08:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Breaking News11:02am UK, Saturday October 03, 2009

Ireland 'Votes Yes' In EU Treaty Referendum

3 October 2009 at 11:10  
Anonymous Claire said...

The Irish media didn't report the Cardinal's remarks. There are going to be some angry people when they hear about this given that the Irish bishops persuaded a lot of people to vote yes.

3 October 2009 at 12:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The milk has been spilt claire. Enjoy your 30 pieces of silver, while they last, which wont be long.

Some of the excuses I have heard from people who are switching to a Yes vote have been feeble and no-brainer to say the least.

3 October 2009 at 13:59  
Blogger Gnostic said...

The Irish went belly up. Now it's up to the Czechs holding out for Cameron. I'm so frigging depressed...

3 October 2009 at 15:37  
Anonymous RobertTheDevil said...

Gnostic, don't bet on it..we're doomed..aaaall doomed.

3 October 2009 at 16:33  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

How is it that a few thousand politicos can enslave 500 Million Europeans.

What is going on.

Your majesty, Make the Call to Sterling Lines.

3 October 2009 at 23:40  
Blogger David Vance said...

The intervention was irrelevant. Sadly, the Irish seek economic salvation at the cost of national sovereignty and the vote reflects fear.

4 October 2009 at 00:40  
Blogger McKenzie said...

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4 October 2009 at 00:55  
Blogger ZZMike said...

Where is St Patrick when you need him? A new round of snakes has taken root in the ould sod.

4 October 2009 at 01:19  
Anonymous Lisa said...

I am very surprised the way Ireland voted, but they are desperate because of the economy.

4 October 2009 at 02:50  
Anonymous constant gina said...

The EU requires a birth certificate

4 October 2009 at 14:09  
Anonymous jeremy hyatt said...

All went rather well didn't it?


7 October 2009 at 12:23  

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