Wednesday, November 18, 2009

Labour’s Equality Bill means Christmas could be ‘killed off’

Christmas wouldn’t be Christmas without the annual Daily Mail blurb about Christmas being banned somewhere or other: lights being renamed to accommodate other religions; Santa being banned on health and safety grounds; reindeer having their animal rights restored; carol singers barred from shopping centres; Winterval supplanting any mention of Christ; nativity plays replaced with the Grinch; Christmas cards which don’t mention Christmas...

Monsignor Andrew Summersgill is the general secretary of the Catholic Bishops' Conference. It is his job to make all the arrangements for the Pope’s state visit next year – the first ever by a pope to the United Kingdom – and one gets the feeling that he is raising his profile as a prelude.

Today he warns that Harriet Harman’s Equality Bill will lead to the banning of Christmas celebrations. He warns of the Bill’s ‘chilling effect' on town halls and other organisations, ‘for fear of offending other cultures’. He notes such developments as the renaming of Oxford's Christmas festival as the 'Winter Light Festival' to make it more ‘inclusive’; a local authority instructing tenants to take down Christmas lights in case they might offend Muslim neighbours; and authorities removing the word ‘Christmas’ out of cultural sensitivity to everyone except Christians.

Monsignor Summersgill has also recently warned that the European Commission's Equal Treatment Directive is an ‘instrument of oppression’ which will force Christians to act against their consciences.

Cranmer has some sympathy with the Monsignor’s concerns, but one cannot help but feel that he is stirring feathers and spouting histrionics in a desperate attempt to find something he might have in common with Pope Benedict XVI; some ‘common cause’ he might be able to discuss with His Holiness next year which might earn him a Vatican gold star and perhaps a promotion.

The reality is, for all the Christmas scare stories, the festival remains central to the mid-winter bleakness, just as it did since before the time it was Christianised. There may be the occasional silly regulation, over-zealous interpretation or hyper-sensitive application of some rule or other, but such agendas are really no different to the seventeenth-century attempts to force businesses to trade on Christmas day or to rename the festival ‘Christ-tide’, in order that the ‘popish mass’ might be eradicated from the public sphere. Thankfully, Harpie Hormone is no Lord Protector, and Labour's Equality Bill is nowhere near the Cromwellian level of prohibition on Christmas.


Anonymous Robert Eve said...

Harpie Hormone - nice!!

18 November 2009 at 09:48  
Anonymous Brian said...

Christmas isn't a problem for Buddhists.

18 November 2009 at 09:54  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

"Christmas wouldn’t be Christmas without the annual Daily Mail"

And the Daily Mail wouldn't be the Daily Mail without such ridiculous smear stories!

18 November 2009 at 09:57  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

I'm also surprised that there is no attempt to blame the EU - but then much of the modern British Christmas is a German invention isn't it?

18 November 2009 at 10:01  
Anonymous philip walling said...

A bit complacent, YG.
Give them time.
Doesn't the same argument apply as you used against the homosexual equality business a few posts ago?
The thin end of the wedge?

18 November 2009 at 10:03  
Anonymous philip walling said...

Personally I would be glad if Christmas as it is 'celebrated' in modern Britain were to be proscribed then we could sneak off to Mass and get it over with.

18 November 2009 at 10:06  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

The Equal Treatment Directive, if implemented, will indeed lead to increased persecution.

The Directive will introduce the governance of ‘homosexual rights’ and secular values over how Christian organisations provide services and goods to the public.

The Directive can only become law if the unelected Council of the EU agrees. (A ‘big special thanks’ then to all those Christians who support the EU – (you have betrayed your own brothers and sisters in the faith)).

Let’s not forget to ‘applaud’ Archbishop Rowan ‘Grand Mufti’ Williams of Canterbury for supporting the EU – and our persecution.

When will this stop? When?

18 November 2009 at 10:16  
Anonymous Knighthawk said...

The five pointed star should henceforth be banned as a Christmas symbol throughout the kingdom for it appears on the flag of the supremacist EU as an emblem of oppression.

18 November 2009 at 10:19  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

And another thing.

The harassment provision in the Directive says that harassment takes place when someone violates another person’s dignity and creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment.

A Christian shopkeeper says while selling a Bible, ‘What a friend we have in Jesus.’

Risks causing offence – and therefore is likely to be caught under he provisions.

18 November 2009 at 10:24  
Blogger D. Singh said...

9 "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but whoever stands firm to the end will be saved.

18 November 2009 at 10:30  
Anonymous non mouse said...

I do get disgusted at biting back 'Happy Christmas' because the PC police are glowering!

My consolation is not only that they don't realise'Happy Holidays' means 'Happy Holy Days' ... they don't even know what 'happy' is! So: "Happy whatever, then! May your god be with you." suffices for such types.
[[[What was he doing, the little god Marx,
Hanging about to spoil all our larks?
Sneering and leering - resorting to Freud,
Help me, O Lord, are they all Paranoid?]]] pace ebb

One of the saddest things I find, otherwise, is that even Christians in church no longer know all the beautiful old carols. We learned them at school, as much as anything, I think ~~ for all those Carol Services, including the Latin and French ones.

Still - as someone said the other day while cheerfully saluting a scowling and officious gate-keeper: "We must be glad he wasn't here when we came in! Be grateful for what we have."

This year I'll apply that sentiment to el papa and his envoys; and to all other foreigners who can't fathom what they're trying to destroy! [AND I'll find ways to wish the latter "Merry Christmas!!!! O, my goodness, soooo sorry."]

I think we all should - and just show ourselves having a sparkling, glowing Christmas: never mind the euros who have no business intruding on us anyway.]

18 November 2009 at 10:41  
Anonymous Stuart said...

I have learnt the hard way to ignore those 'Christmas is banned' stories.

I mentioned an article from the Times that claimed Dundee council had banned all references to the religious element of Christmas, only to be reliably informed the story was complete and utter nonsense.

18 November 2009 at 11:06  
Anonymous Andrew said...

Second Pope to visit Britain. Pope John Paul II came to these shores in 1982.

18 November 2009 at 11:06  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

It is unfair to link Cromwell through the language of correlation.

‘Most legislation derived from the fanatical mind of William Prynne, obsessed with a blasphemy ordinance that would put sectarians to death and with removing from the land all occasions for joy or high spirits. The theatres which had by 1643 become plague pits and for that reason been temporarily closed were now permanently shut by the Presbyterians, because they might spread pleasure. Maypoles were cut down, festival holidays were cancelled, even Christmas was abolished. It is little wonder that the opening shots of the second civil war in 1648 were fired not by royalists but by ‘Christmas rioters’ in Kent, protesting against the killjoy abolition of the festive season. They went on to form a battalion several thousand strong and to join with cavaliers who were regrouping in Essex.’

Geoffery Robertson, Q.C.

The Tyrannicide Brief

18 November 2009 at 11:09  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Andrew,

His Grace quite specifically said it was the first state visit of a pope to the UK. The visit of John Paul II was pastoral, not a state visit.

18 November 2009 at 11:16  
OpenID jobtwenteewun1to3 said...

Your Grace,
I see this issue from perhaps an unusual perspective, one that I trust you do not deem as ‘off topic’, – the eschatological hope of the church. I am not a great fan of Christmas with all its’ commercial excess and attendant pressures. It says in Romans 14:4 not to judge anyone for what religious festivals they celebrate so personally I couldn’t care less whether someone celebrates Christmas or not. What I care about is the theology of Christmas, or the Nativity. When was Christ born? Who knows? That He was born, we all know.

Here are some thoughts that I suspect Mr Singh may approve of. I believe that what happened in Jesus’ First Coming is replayed, or recapitulated, in His Second Coming. Caesar Augustus was the Roman emperor at the time of the birth of Christ. He was an emperor presiding over the Roman Empire and being worshiped as a god when Jesus arrived the first time. This emperor took a census, ascribing numbers to people that he might gain financial control of the known world. When Jesus returns the same thing will happen: we will have a resurrected Roman Empire headed by someone who is virtually deified. This demi-god will number people's heads in order to economically control the world. What happened at Jesus' First Coming will happen again at His Second. Christmas is not just a past event; it is a future event, a prophetic event. This is Jewish Midrash – a 1st century, 2nd temple period hermeneutical approach to Scripture and one which is utilised by the gospel writers themselves.

The nativity teaches about the Parousia [2nd coming]. Christmas and all its’ trimmings consequently are somewhat irrelevant; the Nativity, however, is very important. If we do not understand how He came the first time, we will not understand His return. What kinds of people are going to be ready for Jesus to return? If you want to know the answer to this, look at the kinds of people who were ready for Him to come the first time. If you want to know what kinds of people are not going to be ready for Him to come back, take a good look at the kinds of people that were not ready for Him to come the first time.

18 November 2009 at 11:36  
Blogger D. Singh said...


We have our revived Roman Empire.

18 November 2009 at 11:41  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Liz Lynne MEP
Liberal Democrat MEP for the West Midlands

12.00.00am GMT Wed 20th Feb 2008
A European Parliament report adopted today on EU coordination of population and housing censuses clearly demonstrates the EU is not, as has been reported in previous months, prying into people's bedrooms, according to a LibDem Euro-MP.
Reports of EU plans to establish everyone's first 'consensual union', presented by Eurosceptic politicians, was since shown to be a translation error, and was promptly dropped from the proposed legislation.
Commenting on the draft directive adopted today Liz Lynne, who is also Vice President of the Employment and Social Affairs Committee, said:
"Given some of the things which were being claimed about the EU being Big Brother, I think the Europhobes will find this report a distinct anti-climax.
"It is vital the census information that Member States collect is coordinated and in some areas enhanced: this is not and has never been an attack on British sovereignty, many countries already collect detailed information under their national censuses"

18 November 2009 at 11:57  
Blogger Dave H said...

As a trivial aside, some might be unaware that a Daily Mail Headline Generating Program has been written.

18 November 2009 at 12:14  
Anonymous martin sewell said...

D Singh,

Thank you for bringing the definition of "harassment" to my attention. Having just posted on Conservative Home I suppose I had better ready myself for having my collar felt - But the stupid atheist deserved it!

Will you stand bail for me?

18 November 2009 at 12:23  
Blogger English Viking said...


Fond of Mr Prasch, perchance?

18 November 2009 at 12:26  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Sewell

The Directive is not yet in force.

18 November 2009 at 12:27  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Sewell

In your case it is likley that ConservativeHome would be sued and not you.

Blog owners must be nervous.

18 November 2009 at 12:39  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

Dave H

As an even more trivial side there is also a Daily Mail Copy generating programme - it's called D Singh i believe.

18 November 2009 at 12:48  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Martin Sewell:

"But the stupid atheist deserved it!"

Out of curiosity, we do feel it necessary to use the word atheist alongside stupid in this slur as if it is a label that should be applied to all atheists?

You may want to take note that being an atheist and being stupid do not go hand in hand. I will admit there are stupid people who happen to be atheists (just as there are stupid people that happen to be Christians or Muslims or Jews) but there are also incredibly intelligent people who are atheists.

The only requirement in being an atheist is to lack any belief whatsoever in gods of any religion.

18 November 2009 at 13:40  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

Your Grace

Interesting post.


Excellent comment.

I too am a fan of Mr Prasch! Long may he preach the word.

18 November 2009 at 13:46  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Anguished soul

Who is Prasch?

18 November 2009 at 14:50  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Anyone knocking on my door to tell me to remove the Christmas lights from the conifer in my front garden (my singular nod to the season which is not normally permitted across the threshold in packages larger than a Christmas card) in case they offend someone will be asked to re-arrange the following words into a well known phrase or saying - off sod.

And that goes double for the Daily Wail. ;0)

18 November 2009 at 15:10  
Blogger I am Stan said...

Wazzup Your Graceness,An interesting post sir...myself I love Xmas...copious amounts of drinking,a large stock of weed to keep up the daze,lots of prezzies to open,snogs and a fumble with whoever is willing under the mistletoe,stuffing my face with meat and sweets until Im sick,did i mention drinking..ahhh yes it.

18 November 2009 at 16:46  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

We Judaeo-Christians are in serious trouble; the EU is about to select its first Caesar since the decline and fall of the old Roman Empire.

What are we going to do?

We are trapped.

Just like Joseph's brothers betrayed him - so we are betrayed by Christians who support the EU.

There seems to be no way out - fleeing is not an option; have you seen how many Christians from all those countries are reading this blog (look at your site's Cluster Map).

Don't you wish, just for one moment, God could've permitted us to be a New Zealander or an American?

We are not accidents.

Still, do you remember what happened the last time a King Charles sat on the throne?

We have a prince of Wales who is afraid of his own name.

Imagine a man living in fear of his own name.

18 November 2009 at 17:35  
Blogger English Viking said...

D. Singh

Jacob Prasch is an itinerant preacher and Bible teacher, of New-York/Jewish extraction. He runs an organisation called Moriel Mnistries.

18 November 2009 at 18:57  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr English Viking,

Thank you.

Apart from His Grace, you are the only who has made the effort to put a period mark after the initial 'D'.

Detail much appreciated.

18 November 2009 at 19:24  
Anonymous Bag Lady said...

Your Grace, I think that there are people in the country who would do away with Christmas if they could and call it "winterville", it is the white PC brigade pandering to their Muslim masters which makes them do this.

Next they will want to start making us wear the star of david- like the mosque in london which prays 'death to the jews', so it will be 'death to the Christian' by 2050, when we are an islamic republic.

18 November 2009 at 20:18  
Anonymous len said...

The E U about to elect a new Caesar.
In the days of the Roman Empire different religions were tolerated as long as they were registered as religio licita (legal religions)or in other words conformed to whatever Caesar wanted.
True Christians will be seen as fundamentalists and opposed to the 'harmonising of different religions' and be hated for that.

However God is raising up an army of overcomers for" Whatever is born of God overcomes the World"

"And who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God."

18 November 2009 at 20:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I fear that there may be issues of one-size-fits-all (and other) legal and insurance contracts for municipalities, government, employers, charities, quangos and communities as well as people who hate Christmas promoting their agenda without the consent or knowledge of the public. Also there may be issues where i.a. directives, advice, instructions, contracts and manuals come down from above and become increasingly warped, over-controlling and ever broader in their remit (accidentally or othwise) by the time they get to the officials lawyers and employers. A bit like the game of chinese whispers (I am not trying to knock the Chinese).
Insurance companies hate risk. Surely there are ways of mutual benefit to insurance companies and the public which would incrase individual and community freedoms and not decimate our culter and traditions. Ditto other areas involving other entities.
In defence of the Daily Mail - I am glad they highlight incidences, which might get covered up and which are signs of corruption, danger to democracy, abuse of power or other wrongdoings and dangerous unjust or sometimes ridiculous effects of laws or their enforcement on individuals and our culture and heritage.
I hope that local newspapers and all sources of info including courts will be supported and that everyone has access to the info - it is not too expensive or too beaurocratic for people to access it, and it is not censored. They are a meant to be a check on abuse of power when they operate well. And the "little guys" (most the polulation has little real access to justice without them, or the protection publicity brings.

18 November 2009 at 21:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes the EU -Roman Empire is like the beast with 27 horns (which naturally represent the 27 countries of europe). But the beast will be thrown into the lake of fire and the army of light will be victorious.

Also who are the 4 horsemen of the apocolaypse? Bliar, Brown, Bush and Obama ?

18 November 2009 at 21:34  
Anonymous Brian E. said...

I used to work in a job requiring 24/7 coverage 365 days a year. When I was trying to arrange the Christmas or Easter rosters, I always noticed that it was the non-Christians who were the most insistent in wanting the days off, refusing to take the time-off in lieu at some other time which might be convenient to them. One would have thought they would have loved to work on our holy days, if only to show their contempt!
In practice, I always tried to allow those with children to have first choice, as Christmas is a family day as well as a religious festival.

18 November 2009 at 21:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

D Singh
Re the EU and census.
The EU nations are having EU wide censii in 2011. They will be getting info. Data will be shared.
I would not trust the naive or otherwise who say that some in the EU won't abuse the data to control or harass the lives of people. Ditto some in the government, the UN or whose who have access to the British (or anyone else) data including those who get access to it including other countries (including the US) and businesses.
The data will not be just a headcount. They will adjust indiviual fields as well as add/subtract records which look wrong. Fields not on the questionnaire will be derived (accurately, inaccurately or sometimes maniuplaitely or maliciously) from other sources.
Agendas will rear their heads and the censii will be used for political means, good and otheriwse - social cohesion, nationalism, equality, health etc. and will be used and abused to control more people's lives in more ways, and without the consent of the indiviual. Stuff will be sold or hacked, with or without citizens' knowledge or consent. Local authorites , health, police (and intelligence agencies) will have acces to all the data on you, whether Corrption crime and totalitarianism will increase.
Freedom and real democracy will further decrease.
The use and abuse of statistics computer systems and technology and the dangers of people's data being amassed, shared and abused is sadly more relevant than what officials say. Machiavelli and history is also more relevant. And do you really think that some believe in or stick to the laws and directives they legistlate or push through? Do they not value freedom, privacy, self-determination and protection from crime and harm for themselvs and their loved ones?

18 November 2009 at 21:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also (from anonymous at 21:39) I forgot to mantion "climate change "issues "security" "protecting the vulnerable" and "the economy". The more data someone has, the more they can influence, control and "govern", with or without consent, directly and indirectly, in secret or in the light. Those labelled in public by such people as "criminals" will also have a field day as they get hold of the data.
p.s. India is also having a census and the US before 2011. Also, I think Canada. World government anyone - whether indirectly using powerful interests and groups, some large businesses includng security types, blocks like the EU or UN, or other hidden "actors", it won't be by consent or legimiate in the eyes of most people. The thought is chilling.
Officals and spokesmen often don't know the "big picture", or waht some under their authority have been up to. Thankfully God does.

18 November 2009 at 21:50  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re the Daily Mail
Those stories which are accurate often highlight symptoms or malign goings-on in society. The headlines often make an erudite point in a non-intellectual way, and warn of bad things which really are brewing.
See the Chritian Institute and the Chrstian Legal centre. I am glad they use differnt sources for their news. No source, newspaper, goup or person is without bias.

I am not in the industry, have no vested interested in the Daily Mail, Chrsitian Institute etc and am not a troll. As a person and a Christian I appreciate the Mail (as well as other more "intellectual" newspapers and sources). I would even go to say that some of the Daily Mail writers reporters and readers are probably as intelligent as those of other newspapers, and they highlight some issues that other newspapers have not dared to broach, even though they are of great public interest. They have also indirectly protected indiviuals other newspapers have not. And their readers bring up points which the more intellectual miss, partly because a higher proportion of the readers may be everyday people with everday commonsense and a good sense of humour.

18 November 2009 at 22:04  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Well, there is no way they are going to pull my Christmas tree down ! The socialist atheist liberal left might want to forget that Jesus Christ is the reason for the season, but I will not.

18 November 2009 at 22:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


In practice these schemes often increase discimination and decrease community cohesion, and are zealoulsy and burdonsomely applied to small businesses and individuals, while some large government contractors frequently retain extremely hostile environments for "vulnerable groups" and rarerly get successfully prosecuted, because they have power, leverage with the goveernment and access to PR, crisis management and legal advice and representation, which individuals, small businesses and less powerful or more stigmatized groups have.
Also, bureacracy and cronyism increases with the increase of the state and the ever larger and sweeter honeypot of unnecessary government contracts.
They do not work, and the plight of the stigmatized and vulnerable gets worse. There are a dangerous waste of money and intrusion into people's lives and another way to control the population.

19 November 2009 at 00:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

correction re anonymouse @ 00:04

In practice these schemes often increase discimination and decrease community cohesion, and are zealoulsy and burdonsomely applied to small businesses and individuals, while some large government contractors frequently retain extremely hostile environments for "vulnerable groups" and rarerly get successfully prosecuted, because they have power, leverage with the goveernment and access to PR, crisis management and legal advice and representation, which individuals, small businesses and less powerful or more stigmatized groups DO NOT have including women, the disabled, Christians, and despised ethinic minorities and other groups. I have witnessed or heard of many such situations.
Also, bureacracy and cronyism increases with the increase of the state and the ever larger and sweeter honeypot of unnecessary government contracts.
They do not work, and the plight of the stigmatized and vulnerable gets worse. There are a dangerous waste of money and intrusion into people's lives and another way to control the population.

19 November 2009 at 00:10  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Brian 9:54
"Christmas isn't a problem for Buddhists."
That's right.Here in Thailand the 25th is just another day.I enjoy reading the Bangkok Post on that day.It does wish its readers a Merry Christmas.
Last year on the 26th I did go on a trip with some Thai-Chinese Roman Catholics.

19 November 2009 at 03:12  
Anonymous GTGTWG said...

Start singing people:0))

19 November 2009 at 05:49  
Blogger I am Stan said...

Your Grace.

The Christmas tree has just gone up in my city centre with a large crown of obviously different religions present to witness the event,I see no evidence of a Christmas ban or will from the majority of people to see that happen.

I think the comments of some are paranoid and deluded,for heavens sake CHRISTMAS BANNED..pleeeease not everything in the tabloids is true.

Perhaps your more paranoid commentators should focus more on revitalising the christian message and taking the sting of consumerism from the celebrations rather than accusing others of trying to pinch their God.

19 November 2009 at 10:46  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

As with all eussr/government lunacy,the only power that they possess is that which WE give them,the people are soverign ,not parliament,not royalty and definitely not the eussr,simply do not obey thier edicts,and as reguards Christian holy days celebrate them as your fathers did,buy less imported foreign junk,be with your kin,remember your god and listen to the bells,this is the resilience that no tyrant can penetrate,for if this society does not exist for us then for whom,they can not take anything away from us unless we let them.

19 November 2009 at 11:57  

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