Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Margaret Thatcher returns to 10 Downing Street

Sadly, it is not permanent.

Unless an image of the likeness captures something of the spirit, and that spirit casts a presence of perpetual influence and greatness.

But what is this greatness? Why has Margaret Thatcher been granted honours during in her lifetime which her predecessors have attained only years and usually decades after their death?

She is the only former prime minister to be immortalised in bronze in the Palace of Westminster while still living. And now her portrait hangs in Number 10, alongside those of David Lloyd George and Winston Churchill.

And she has been placed there by a Labour prime minister, who personally commissioned the portrait. Gordon Brown thanked the Great Lady for ‘the contribution she has made to the country over many years’.

Tony Blair was premier for as long as Margaret Thatcher; he had a comparable (if not greater) transformative effect on his own party, and his period in office has undoubtedly transformed the culture of the United Kingdom. ‘Cool Britannia’ is his legacy: a utopian fusion of constitutional revolution, ‘third way’ conversion, mutually-destructive equalities and ever-competing multiculturalism. He, too, was a war-time leader, and arguably the ‘just war’ in Iraq was of far greater geo-political importance than the liberation of a few godforsaken rocks in the South Atlantic.

Yet no-one is pleading the cause of Tony Blair to be immortalised in bronze or preserved on canvass.

And it is highly unlikely that he will be accorded either honour even a century after his death.

Is it that true political greatness lies in sincerity and conviction? And is it that Tony Blair possesses neither, or, at least, is it that his chameleon variety, his mercurial shiftiness, his all-things-to-all-people capacity, his spiritual conversion and his political mutability all conspire to give the impression that there is nothing constant about him, nothing secure, nothing stable, dependable or resolute?

Is it that the house of Tony Blair was built on sand while Margaret Thatcher constructed hers upon a rock?

Cranmer is persuaded that Conservative Way Forward and The Thatcher Foundation will outlast The Tony Blair Faith Foundation by centuries. And he is further persuaded that Tony Blair will never be cast in bronze or find his portrait hanging in the state rooms of Number 10.

Unless, of course, the Red Tory persuades the next Conservative prime minister to commission such a work – just to thank Mr Blair for 'the contribution he has made to the country over many years'.


Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

‘Is it that true political greatness lies in sincerity and conviction?’

No my lord.

All greatness begins with humility. And which of us Christians dare ask for the instrument of humility? Pain.

24 November 2009 at 08:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

small point your grace:

are the Falklands really "godforsaken rocks?" Surely the liberation was of the 2,000 souls living there? Stanley has a fine Anglican cathedral, the RCs are down there too. Having spent some time down there with the RN, I would suggest that the Falklands are a deeply beautiful place, and certainly not godforsaken.

Dr Edward Bouverie Pusey

24 November 2009 at 08:35  
Anonymous Zach Johnstone said...


I think the term 'godforsaken rocks' was used to make a point and is hardly reflective of His Grace's feelings towards the Falklands War...

24 November 2009 at 08:44  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Your Grace, since NuLab is the antithesis of everything Baroness Thatcher built and represented there has to be an ulterior motive in all of this. I'm willing to bet that there is no honest munificence supporting this extraordinary gesture. It could be something as basic as Brown sticking it to Blair or a squalid ploy to win over disillusioned Tory voters (like that'll work!). But then, that's just cynical old me.

As for the "Red Tory", well with Cameron he's in good company, isn't he...

24 November 2009 at 08:48  
Blogger I am Stan said...

Yo your Graceness,my mom says that ¨you at least knew where you stood with maggie even if you thought she was a bitch,but with Blair he`s a shifty bugger¨.

24 November 2009 at 08:50  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Zach Johnstone,

His Grace is appreciative, and most admiring of your perception and obvious intuition.

24 November 2009 at 08:53  
Anonymous Knighthawk said...

Tony Blair will never be cast in bronze.

Hopefully, after the Iraq War Inquisition he will be cast in jail.

24 November 2009 at 09:12  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Just a couple of points:

Mrs T was the first women prime minister ... without the aid of equality legislation or all female short lists.

Secondly: The Falklands & Iraq are not in the least bit comparable. The Falklands were not a "pre-emptive strike". We did not invade Argentina, they invaded sovereign British soil.

Thirdly: It is character that is remembered not policy. Who since has had the integrity of character that Mrs T possessed? I am too young to have voted for her or even to remember much of her premiership, but my parents (Labour voters - poor deluded souls) used to express the same opinion as Stan's mom!

24 November 2009 at 09:20  
Anonymous Martin Sewell said...

I imagine that she appreciates that she has a "proper likeness" - nothing trendy or conceptual. Who is the artist?

24 November 2009 at 09:37  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Thinking about Tony Blair has reminded me of this passage from the catholic writer G. K. Chesterton:

‘Humility was largely meant as a restraint upon the arrogance and infinity of the appetite of man. He was always outstripping his mercies with his own newly invented needs. His very power of enjoyment destroyed half his joys. By asking for pleasure, he lost the chief pleasure; for the chief pleasure is surprise. Hence it became evident that if a man would make his world large, he must always be making himself small. Even the haughty visions, the tall cities, and the toppling pinnacles are the creations of humility. Giants that tread down forests like grass are the creations of humility. Towers that vanish upwards above the loneliest star are the creations of humility. For towers are not tall unless we look up at them; and giants are not giants unless they are larger than we. All this gigantesque imagination, which is, perhaps, the mightiest of the pleasures of man, is at bottom entirely humble. It is impossible without humility to enjoy anything – even pride.’

From his work: Orthodoxy

24 November 2009 at 10:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what Baroness Thatcher thinks about the Conservative Party today and, in particular, about David Cameron? Is she as disillusioned as the rest of us former Tory voters, I wonder? There’s no clear blue water now between the Conservatives and Labour. They’re all swindling pro-EU federalists and pro-multiculturalists. No wonder it’s looking more likely with every passing day that there will be a hung parliament – hang the lot of them.

24 November 2009 at 10:43  
Anonymous Zach Johnstone said...

Your Grace,

With pleasure; it would be inconsistent with my admiration for your political perspicacity if I were to stand by and see you misrepresented.

24 November 2009 at 10:51  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Johnstone,

Bless you.

His Grace is enduring a hell-of-a-lot of that at the moment.

24 November 2009 at 11:08  
Anonymous Zach Johnstone said...

Your Grace,

I am very sorry to hear that indeed. Know that if there were any way in which I could help I would do so willingly and with pleasure.

But what I am unquestionably sure of is that Your Grace's current plight is transitory; no force (however obstinate) can suppress a just cause forever. The day when (and not if) you prevail against those people or things that have wronged you will be a happy one indeed.

Let us pray it comes as soon as possible...

24 November 2009 at 11:30  
Blogger Hank Petram said...

Was it really Gordon Brown's own initiative to have this portrait commissioned? If so, credit where it's due. Good for Gordon.

24 November 2009 at 12:04  
Anonymous gordon drago said...

Unlike America (Kennedy, Roosovelt, Obama)we don't worship the liberal left politicians, no-one for example would be making statues of Attlee, Wilson, Callaghan, Blair or Brown would they?

24 November 2009 at 12:10  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

You mention the Red Tory (Phillip Blond).
Here is an extract from an article of which he is joint-author (New York Times):

‘Meanwhile, the Conservatives' fervent conversion to neoliberalism under Thatcher and her successors has meant that the party was unable to resist the destruction of the family and civic society - the very institutions that Cameron rightly now wants to recover.

‘As a result, both Labour and the Conservatives fail to address Britain's broken society, where one- parent families, divorce and abortion proceed apace, along with the isolation of the old and the ghettoization of the racially and religiously different.’

What is fascinating about his analysis is that money corrupts. In his analysis it is as if money determines the nature and quality of such institutions as the family.

In other words, his analysis is remarkably close to the Critical Marxian’s base- superstructure model where the base is the economy that determines the legal and cultural relations that is the superstructure.

It seems that he has got this fundamentally back-to-front. It is social relations that come before economic relations. There must be faith in the other person to the contract before a contract can be signed.

24 November 2009 at 12:20  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

By the Conservatives and New Labour wrongly framing the problem as one of economic relations determining social relations they can avoid the real fundamental problem that the work of the Conservative thinker IDS points to: an absence of a consensus on tried and tested values.

It seems that it was the old Conservatives who were right after all: God (relations), family (relations) and country (relations).

If that analysis is correct with all its implications then we have not progressed but regressed.

24 November 2009 at 12:40  
Blogger English Viking said...

Thatcher should be in a cell, along with Major, Blair, Brown and a whole load of other criminals, liars, thieves and traitors, too numerous to mention.

24 November 2009 at 12:44  
Anonymous non mouse said...

She was a grocer's daughter.
She went to Oxbridge and married a rich man.
She then proceeded to appear more queenly than the Queen. Your Grace's photo depicts that persona admirably - and perhaps that imagery is what she has in common with TB!!
Then there was poll tax.

As to how she contributed to the devolution of our sovereignty ... ??? [[Don't those nasty little red passports date to around that time?]]

24 November 2009 at 13:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An excellent post, Your Grace.

Edward Sutherland.

24 November 2009 at 13:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets put Thatcher on trial for the falklands war, the belgrano, deaths in the decimated health service, death of manufacturing industry, death of UK mining, death of social cohesion, clause 28, poll tax, increasing poverty, boom and bust etc etc

24 November 2009 at 14:36  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

Your Grace -

just a footnote or two to non mouse....

The good news:

Whilst agreeing wholeheartedly with your views on the nasty "burgundy" style passports, this is one area of eu-dom which can simply be circumvented as long as you're willing to shell out a fiver or so for a blue plastic/leather over-wallet bearing the traditional UK inscriptions.

For me it's money well spent. Occasionally you get immigration staff who insist you take it out, but that's usually for some card reading equipment or other, rather than just being objectionable.

I think it's money well spent, and at least, on the rare occasions I travel to the continent, it gently makes the point that some of us don't remotely consider ourselves to be "european citizens"

The bad news, though, is that the eu itself is fully aware of this, and has virtually given up trying to convince mature Brits, many of whom, they know, hate its guts.

Instead it has done what all good dictatorships do, and go for the schools, where there are plenty of impressionable young minds to be indoctrinated from an early age.

In this case, primary school lever, where only last week at my local school a large carton arrived, printed in France, and paid for courtesy of, well, us, containing all manner of eu "passport" information extolling the virtues of the eu....and what a privilege it is for the kids to be part of the eu ideal.

Sickening, I know, but there it is. Since many teachers are actually europhiles by nature, we may be sure that this is distributed with enthusiasm. Any child dissenting is, of course, in for a tough time.

24 November 2009 at 14:42  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Now that Old Grumpy has brought up the EU – here is what a journalist on Pravda wrote:

Part 1

A quote from Hans Vogel in Pravda, 4 November 2009

Pravda: “EU Is Reincarnation of Soviet Union”

Article 8 [of the Lisbon Treaty] is also very interesting. It would seem to state that one's personal data are safe. But are they? Under current EU regulations, member states are required to keep records of all e-mail traffic and all telephone conversations. In fact it is as if the government would be reading all your letters. Many EU member states, the government can enter your computer at will and change data and records on your computer without your knowing it. All this snooping and spying is, of course, in the interest of state security, to “fight terrorism!” It all looks as if the Nazi slogan “Du bist nichts, dein Volk ist alles!” (You are nothing, your people is everything) were put into effect in today's EU.

I am afraid the EU “constitution” (rejected by European voters wherever it was subjected to an honest, fair referendum) in its warmed over version called “Lisbon Treaty” is no more than a useless piece of paper. It is about as meaningful as the old Soviet and East German (GDR) constitutions which, come to think of it, are surprisingly similar to the Lisbon Treaty.

Article 50 of the 1977 Soviet Constitution granted all citizens freedom of speech. But whoever dared voice criticism of the system in any coherent, vocal way, was severely punished. Punishments included loss of job, domestic exile (nuclear scientist Andrei Sakharov), and assignment to a mental hospital. There was no free speech in the old Soviet Union, like there is no free speech in Europe today.
Similarities between the Lisbon Treaty and its communist predecessors are quite remarkable, for instance in the clauses on equality before the law.
Article 34 of the 1977 Soviet Constitution proclaimed full legal equality for all: “citizens of the USSR are equal before the law, without distinction of origin, social or property status, race or nationality, sex, education, language, attitude to religion, type and nature of occupation, domicile, or other status.” The East German Constitution echoes this. Article 20:1 reads: Independently of his nationality, race, religious ideas, social background and position, every citizen of the German Democratic Republic enjoys the same rights and duties. Freedom of religion and belief are guaranteed. All citizens are equal before the law.” Coincidentally, the Lisbon Treaty is strikingly similar: “ Everyone is equal before the law ” (article 20), and “ Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited” (article 21). […]

24 November 2009 at 15:37  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Part 2

As recently as 2006, a most eloquent and insightful warning against the EU and the Lisbon Treaty's precursor, the ill-fated “constitution”, was given by former Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky. Traumatized by the experience of living in the Soviet Union, Bukovsky noted the deeply disturbing similarities between the old Soviet Union and the blueprints for the EU super state. The European Commission, he noted, was the exact equivalent of the old Soviet Politbureau, in terms of the secretive way power was exercised, the recruitment and personalities of its members and the scope and reach of its decisions. The “European Parliament” today (and under the terms of the Lisbon Treaty) is a mere rubber stamp institution, just like the “Supreme Soviet” of the old USSR.

As a matter of fact, there are so many similarities between the old Soviet Union and the EU that mere coincidence is unlikely. Bukovsky argues the EU was designed to be like the old USSR. The architects of the EU? Mostly social democrats, whom Stalin quite aptly called “Social Fascists.”

Most Europeans have not yet understood this. Most are still indifferent, but their indifference will soon vanish when the full weight of repressive EU policies and EU taxation doing its destructive work will be felt.

Sooner than anybody now thinks, the only way to vent criticism of the EU will be in the form of jokes. No doubt many of the characteristic old Soviet jokes will be dusted off and given an anti-European Commission twist.

By that time, all Europeans except for the privileged class of “eurocrats” will be prisoners in the EU. However, they will certainly have a wonderful Constitution.

24 November 2009 at 15:38  
Anonymous John Le Mesurier said...

But this is a post about Thatcher, Mr. Singh. Do you always have to indulge us all in your wild anti EU theories all of the time?

24 November 2009 at 15:59  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

One sometimes gets the impression that Mr Singh is in communion with himself, and very content to be so. His Grace does not know if this is a peculiarity of physicists, oxonians or those with nomenclature of Sikh provenance.

24 November 2009 at 16:35  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr John Le Mesuier and Your Grace,

History shows that every now and again somebody has to raise the alarm on Liberty's wall; somebody has to hold a Boston Tea party; somebody has to fire the morning gun: chance and opportunity come to us all.

24 November 2009 at 17:06  
Blogger Preacher said...

Ah yes! Your Grace,
but if Mr Singh is correct then the apparent fall of the Berlin wall was not a case of liberation for the GDR but imprisonment for the lot of us, suddenly Angela Merekel's rise to power in the EUSSR is revealed.
With regard to T.B & his pal G.B their best chances of being cast would be in a Brian Rix farce.

24 November 2009 at 17:20  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Not Sikhism but Stoicism. I am sure the Sikhs would understand a soldier's religion.

24 November 2009 at 17:22  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Now look here chaps - the article is by Hans Vogel who writes for Pravda.

24 November 2009 at 17:30  
Anonymous Bag Lady said...

Eh? I thought D.Singh was a "run off the mill C of E" person? Now he follows stoicism? It was revealed he was an Oxonian physicist, now he was a soldier?

What an intriguing character this man is!

24 November 2009 at 17:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, you couldn't make D.Singh up could you ?

24 November 2009 at 17:33  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Stop it!

I am C of E. I converted from Stoicism to Christianity. I am not a soldier. I was a Stoic because I couldn't resolve the problem between subjectivity and objectivity. That is why I thought the exsitentialists were correct. 'There is only one problem and that is suicide.'

24 November 2009 at 17:35  
Blogger Preacher said...

Mr Singh. Merely an observation that was intended to enlarge on the revelation that you posted.
Indeed, "there are more things in Heaven & Earth Horatio......"

24 November 2009 at 17:38  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Anon at 5.33 pm

I exist in space and time. His Grace did not create me.

24 November 2009 at 17:53  
Anonymous right wing and fed up with cameron said...

Well we have said it before, this blog is not about D. Singh, but about the subjects that our host puts on the site. Thatcher- good PM. Doubt if Cameron will be like her, more a heath I suspect ......

24 November 2009 at 17:54  
Anonymous not a machine said...

It is a very good portrait and likeness , I am reminded of less wasteful and vanity parliament. Lady Thatcher is no doubt a controversial figure , but when I look at this lot of fakers and chancers , intent of erasing our freedoms and even morality , i find it strange how history is kinder to her than many want to see.

It says a great deal about our PM that he did not want any cameras at the unveiling , I hope that enigmatic look burns into all of those who flaunt high office deceptions as , serving there country and people .

24 November 2009 at 17:55  
Blogger Preacher said...

It would be difficult for anyone to replicate the shifty lying scoundrel that was Edward Heath, remember he started the EU ball rolling & later admitted almost gleefully that we were sold a pig in a poke. He ALMOST makes Blair & Brown look like respectable villains.

24 November 2009 at 18:02  
Anonymous circus monkey said...

Excuse me I am still drying my eyes after thinking about how low Britain has sunk in the last twenty years. God bless Maggie!

24 November 2009 at 18:07  
Anonymous Pro EU Tory said...

"It would be difficult for anyone to replicate the shifty lying scoundrel that was Edward Heath"

Trite nonsense. There should be a picture, nay, statue of Heath for being the wise and forward looking leader who took us into the EU all those years ago. He will be seen as a visionary before his time.

24 November 2009 at 19:35  
Anonymous John Malcolmson said...

Gordon Drago - 12.10

Perhaps we don't worship the "liberal-left" politicians to whom you refer, not because of their political orientation, but because they were all mediocrities. (But at least Attlee and Callaghan were honest).

I am still amused by Churchill's comment about Attlee: "He is a modest man, with much to be modest about."

24 November 2009 at 19:51  
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24 November 2009 at 19:52  
Anonymous village parson said...

I agree Mr D.Singh is the the watchman at the top of the tower; like Churchill in the 1930s he warns about the threat to liberty. But as in the 30's is anyone listening?

24 November 2009 at 20:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, as soon as heath and europe are mentioned the old tory fissures over europe come to the fore and allow labourites to gloat.

24 November 2009 at 20:23  
Blogger Unsworth said...

Your Grace,

The only thing I'd wish to see Blair preserved in is aspic.

24 November 2009 at 20:31  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

I wonder if Brown will ever be accorded the same honour ? Some how I doubt it .

24 November 2009 at 20:38  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

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24 November 2009 at 20:46  
Blogger FABVirgil said...

This 'rock; of lady T's? I seem to recall the tide coming in and washing away the foundations - are we talking sandstone rock here?
Had it been granite, then maybe we would not be drifting in uncharted shark infested sewerage.

24 November 2009 at 22:06  
Blogger FABVirgil said...

Do you know what? It's not the planet that is dying, it's the human soul - in fact it's all but snuffed out.

24 November 2009 at 22:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Tony Blair will never be cast in bronze." But we can all dream of that glorious day when the monstrous, mendacious charlatan is clapped in irons.

Edward Sutherland.

24 November 2009 at 22:51  
Blogger Preacher said...

Pro Euro Tory.
Heath lied through his teeth about it being simply a 'common market'.
His inability to lead was the reason Mrs Thatcher replaced him & left him simmering with anger & resentment against her for the remainder of his time as an M.P.
If the present Conservative party had more like him they would be defeated by the current rabble yet again. I trust that your comments are an attempt at ironic humour!.

24 November 2009 at 23:27  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

This country is still worth fighting for; Thatcher thought that and made it happen.

We were the sick man of Europe, until we elected a government that was not content to manage England's decline into a power of the second rank.

I don't know if it is the fact I live in the country, but our green and pleasant land, is with all due respect for other places I have gone to, the most beautiful of all. We have such diversity; it is hard to explain to a foreigner who thinks England is London.

I don't mean diversity in a labour way; I mean the old proud traditions of each county and regional accents and dialects. The straight talking Yorkshireman, the deadpan brummy etc.

Then there are the great people who have arisen from Albion; thinkers, theologians, politicians, writers. Think Locke, Mill, Burke, Churchill, Cramner, Pitt, Palmerston, Shakespeare.

Then there is the history: an ancient nation, who has for hundreds of years stood up to tyrants in the cause of liberty (Spanish Amarda, Napoleon, Imperial Germany, the Third Reich, the USSR).

Am I the only patriotic Englishman left? I am the only one who wants to see our great nation properly governed? Am I the only one who wants to rid our country of this infection of international pro EU socialism? To see a country in which our educational system is once more based upon merit, a country that can once again choose her own destiny, a country in which there are not, as Disraeli said, two nations?

We need a new Thatcher, a Churchill or a Pitt, to lead us through the next few years.

Please do not tell me I am alone!

24 November 2009 at 23:27  
Anonymous Jim Harker said...

I don't know the Red Tory is ? Is it Edward "the traitor" Heath?

24 November 2009 at 23:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lavetory, why can't you just stick you head in the lavetory and be done with it?

24 November 2009 at 23:37  
Anonymous Dick White said...

unsworth, your comment reminds me of the liberal lefty artists who are buggering off to France because of the 50% tax. Typically bloody champagne socialists- only happy to contribute their shit and their art if everything is rosey in the garden- any trouble and puff their off.

24 November 2009 at 23:41  
Blogger FABVirgil said...

A rock feels no pain and an island never cries.

24 November 2009 at 23:49  
Anonymous Jonas Quinn said...

FABVirgil, you are now quoting stuff , like Singh does, without any explanation? Is that what your supposed to do on this blog?

24 November 2009 at 23:53  
Blogger Preacher said...

Lord Lavendon.
It may feel lonely but I can assure you that you are not alone. There are many thousands, nay millions who have not & will not bow the knee to the E.U. The saddest thing is that we the people have been sold out by the very people we elected & trusted to protect our nation & heritage.
Although it looks bleak, it only takes one leader who has not been enmeshed or emasculated by the E.U to start the long road back to our self esteem as a nation.

25 November 2009 at 00:00  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Lord L, you are not alone. There is at least one patriotic English woman willing to fight the tyrant EU.

25 November 2009 at 00:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lord Lavendon

Don't despair - you know that the Lord of heaven and earth knows all the tricks and evil schemes of men in advance.

There is power in prayer to God for mercy and help for the country, and in those areas where we as inviduals, different Christian denominations and as a nation need to repent, and for wisdom. And we can pray for those with influence to do the right thing, and for protection and deliverance from deception or pressure on them to do evil.
We can pray for people not to be further deceived and for wisdom, whether they know our Lord or not, and pray that many will come to know Him, Who gives strength, help and peace to do the right thing, when we choose to obey Him, and is merciful when we mess up. We can pray for ouselves, our churches, our communities and our country, and we can all choose to do the rightand good thing, day by day. Just as it is the many minor and major deceptions, decisions and schemes and people's responses or not when they discovered them which have brought the country to this current terrible state - so it is the many decisions, both small and great, of indiviuals, churches, communities and the country which will determine the country's future. We can all ask the Lord to help us to do good everyday, and pray to Him about how to live in light of the actions of those whose lives affect us.

These are may be terrible times - but our Lord cares. Don't give up on Him or our country. We live in evil times - always better to have a clear conscience, even if evil seems to flourish. Remember Wilberforce and Wycliffe to name a few. And Shakespeare was not crushed by the state. Cromwell's boots are on the auction block this week but we can pray for a good and decent parliament among other things. In our Lord (and heaven) is our hope, though he uses people, and cares about the now and our lives. Spurgeon purportedly said pray as if it all depends on God, and act as if it depends on men.
I hope we get our sovereignty back - the eu is a divide and conquer war machine disguised as a "community", no doubt the weapons will appear later. If a bride was tricked, kidnapped or forced into a wedding, would not the marriage be annullable, with or without the groom's, kidnappers' or arrangers' permission?

25 November 2009 at 01:47  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace

I believe that the Baroness Thatcher's final gift to the United Kingdom is undoubtedly the god-forsaken rocks of the Falkland Island. A Falklander of my aquaintance has long commented that on boyhood fishing trips to the south of the Islands they would pass through oil-stained waters. They assumed that the seeps were from the sunken German warships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau that went down before the guns of the RN in 1914. It now appears these oil seeps may be indicators of much more promising resource, and exploration is intense. If the waters around the Islands yield commercial quantities of oil, the Baroness will have saved her nation yet again!

Let us pray for such a miracle.

25 November 2009 at 08:02  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Lord Lavendon,

You are not alone. In this country the Lord has reserved many for Himself who have not bowwed the knee to Baal.

God save our country!

25 November 2009 at 08:11  
Anonymous not a tory toff said...

I actually thought that Lord Lavendon was spouting utter rubbish. Our future is in Europe and little englander nationalism like yours is perverse and racist- I bet you want to end the multi cultural society which we now happily live in? How would we survive outside of the protection of the EU? How would minorities be protected from the wrath of a tory government?

25 November 2009 at 08:37  
Blogger D. Singh said...

I say, are you the chap over whose cell is written the dreadful truth:

'He believes in himself!'

You silly Little Scotlander!

25 November 2009 at 08:50  
Anonymous not a tory toff said...

Well, I just can't believe a little nation like England thinks they are still great. They can only survive with an open borders policy, full intergration into the EU and join the single currency.

25 November 2009 at 09:02  
Blogger Unsworth said...

@ not a tory toff

Define 'great'.

25 November 2009 at 09:52  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace

Your communicant not-a-tory-toff seems deeply confused and we must show understanding and compassion to him/her. I ask, how can England survive by not surviving? For that is the thrust of NaTT's argument. Futhermore our nation under God has never been protected by the EU which is a non-military organisation. The United Kingdom is protected by Cousin Jonathan and his brethen in the United States.

Spiritually, many of us look to the protection of Archbishop Rowan. It seems Benedict, Bishop of Rome is eager to throw his mantle around us too.

And did those feet in ancient times...

25 November 2009 at 10:05  
Blogger Preacher said...

I would speculate that 'not a tory toff' & 'pro euro tory' are one & the same. Surely there could not be two such misguided impertinent little imps operating at the same time. Or perhaps they are twins, the Jedwards or Deadwoods or maybe Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber?.

25 November 2009 at 11:17  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

@pro eu Tory

We all have our own recollections of dear Edward Heath, of course, and my own is of his always being a third rate politician thrust into greatness and power beyond his capabilities. He became PM as there was no better candidate available.

However, given the fear of failure of the mediocre, he nevertheless contrived to conspire to fulfill his own, some might say, mad, dreams, and, one has to agree, with conspicuous success.

The mad dreams he created have become today's nightmare for everyone....the eu, of course. (Excepting, of course, for the occasional person like pro eu tory. I guess there will always be some good folks who don't mind living under a dictatorship. That epithet applied, after all, to quite a number of people living in communist East Germany)

Even thought these dreams included, as we all agree he admitted whilst close to his death, that he had cheerfully lied to the British people about the loss of sovereignty which his beloved eu would cause.

There aren't many people in the world whose graves I would cheerfully dance on, but, I fear, his is one of them.

25 November 2009 at 13:17  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

@not a tory toff

Switzerland seems to be able to do pretty well at being outside the dark evil empire and to manage its own currency.

Personally I can't see any problem with that idea at all

And even if we should feel the need to join a larger block there's always NAFTA. It's free, too. With that, we get to sign up with the USA. That means we also get to keep feet, pounds and Fahrenheit at no extra charge.

Even if the worst happens, and we ended up the 51st state of the union, well, do bear in mind that the states within the USA retain considerable more power than the UK government now had left after Lisbon

25 November 2009 at 13:22  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Oh dear - my previous comment wouldn't post and I lost it. I'll summarize.

Thanks Old Grumpy - yes I have a passport cover, and I answer back to those who tell me to remove it!!

Yes, the marxists have plagiarised the Jesuit approach to brainwashing - as they plagiarise everything. Surprise, surprise, they haven't an original or 'ex nihilo' bit of jargon in the ignorant steel traps they call minds!!!

And, Lord Lavendon - indeed you're not alone. Here's another Englishwoman who loves this country and its culture - and who's seen enough of the others to appreciate how truly wonderful ours is. ("What does he know of England," you know?) The understanding only enhances my resentment of those who'd drag us down below their own despicable levels.

And to Anon @ 1/47: yes, I think we need more thinking like that; it accords well with no nonny's ideas on the previous thread. All we need is a leader to help develop policy along such lines ---and much prayer for God's help in sending us such a leader, and letting us recognize him or her.

25 November 2009 at 13:23  
Anonymous the botha and pinochet fan club said...

Hear Hear! About time.

25 November 2009 at 18:16  
Blogger Senn the Cartoonist said...

no your grace i disagree, Blair will have his bronze in about 15 years (mark my words) and oil painting in 20...for your graces knowledge it was my gr.gr. grandady who did the statue of William Pitt for Westminster.

25 November 2009 at 22:04  
Anonymous Lord Bozeat said...

Blair = Dorian Grey.

Anyone know where the enchanted picture is ? So I show it to him?

25 November 2009 at 22:11  

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