Wednesday, December 16, 2009

Douglas Carswell introduces EU Referendum Bill to Parliament

Douglas Carswell has committed the unforgivable sin. He will now spend the next parliament in purgatory and an eternity in political hell.

He has announced on his blog that has introduced a Bill in the House of Commons that would give the people a direct vote on Britain's membership of the European Union; the European Union Membership (Referendum) Bill.

He says:

All three political parties promised us a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Yet it never happened.

For thirty years, it's been left to politicians and diplomats to determine our Euro policy. No one under the age of 53 has had the chance to vote in a referendum on it. I think now it's time to let the people decide.

Naturally, given how government controls Parliament (as opposed to the other way around), my Private Members Bill faces an uphill struggle to become law. But it puts down a marker. It breaks the Westminster taboo. What has been unsaid for too long is now in print on the Order Paper.

If it is too late to have a vote on the Lisbon Treaty - and I think it is - then we need to have a vote on Rome.

This isn't just about Europe. It's about making politics link more directly to the people. It’s about direct democracy and people power.

My Bill is backed by MPs from all parties. And even by MPs who support the EU, but fear it lacks legitimacy without a vote.

Surely the only reason to oppose such a referendum must be fear of the result?


'Let the People Decide' is a familiar refrain.

Zak Goldsmith may have inherited his father's fortune and genes, but Douglas Carswell Sir James Goldsmith's true political progeny.

What a Whig!

25 Comments:

Blogger The Anti Christ said...

Three questions I used to think I had answers to:

Q.1 What does it mean to be British?

Ans- I have no friggin idea.

Q.2 What does it mean to be human?

Ans- I have no friggin idea.

Q.3 What does it mean to be alive?

Ans- I have no friggin idea.

My dog has a more clear sense of purpose than I do. She lives to go for her daily walk and for the two meals and endless tit bit each day - oh and to hate cats and birds with a vengence. I am envious.

I am envious that DC has at least found something worthwhile also.

Good luck to him. I not sure what you mean in your last sentence though, have you been at the wine again?

16 December 2009 at 19:05  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Your Grace

I suppose the wife or girlfriend of a Whig would be a Whig WAG.

Sounds like Mr Antichrist's dog.

But to be serious, Mr Carswell's action might be (who knows) the fart that precipitates the avalanche.

We've got to have a referendum. But remember, the EC doesn't accept the results until at least two rounds. And we don't know whether they would go to round 3 because no nation has yet had the stamina to proceed that far.

16 December 2009 at 19:22  
Blogger J. P. van de Giessen said...

"no nation has yet had the stamina to proceed that far", maybe because the Europeans don't like a European State?

16 December 2009 at 19:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An outbreak of democracy and across party boundaries too. Very neat. Very courageous. Nice timing. If the establishment conspire to squash the Bill it could backfire on them at the General Election.

A political risk for Mr Carswell but we need more with his steel to stir up the legislature and ensure that promises made to the electorate are honoured.

16 December 2009 at 19:38  
Blogger Preacher said...

Grumps, If any country can lead the way out of the EU prison, I'm sure it's us. Pray that we have the chance to lead others as well as ourselves to freedom.
And While you're on your knees, thank God for Carswell & pray for many more like him, 2010 could turn out to be a conspicuous year after all!.

16 December 2009 at 19:59  
Blogger David said...

I'd bloody vote for him! They are up against it though. There aren't many politicians that make make you proud to be British; Carswell and Lord Pearson give us a ray of hope!

Lord help us all over the coming weeks, months and years. We will need it.

16 December 2009 at 20:44  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Remember the basic rules of a euroreferendum

1) A pro-european proposal is presented to the electorate who are invited to give their view in a referendum and vote 'Yes' or 'No'

2) if the electorate says 'Yes' to the pro-europe proposal then that is the end of the game

3) if the electorate say 'No' to the pro-europe proposal, then the proposal is dusted off, given a different coloured cover, the font changed to a more friendly style, etc. Claims are made that the EU has 'listened' to the electorate and taken their concerns into the new proposal.

We can't get out!

4) Go to step 1

16 December 2009 at 20:48  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Sorry..

Remember the basic rules of a euroreferendum

1) A pro-european proposal is presented to the electorate who are invited to give their view in a referendum and vote 'Yes' or 'No'

2) if the electorate says 'Yes' to the pro-europe proposal then that is the end of the game

3) if the electorate say 'No' to the pro-europe proposal, then the proposal is dusted off, given a different coloured cover, the font changed to a more friendly style, etc. Claims are made that the EU has 'listened' to the electorate and taken their concerns into the new proposal.

4) Go to step 1


We can't get out!

16 December 2009 at 20:49  
Anonymous Edward Heath, English Hero and saviour said...

Nooooooooooooo! The people have already had their say on Europe- we need not revisit it now. We are (thank goodness) in one insoluble union forever. Long live the European Union!

16 December 2009 at 21:07  
Anonymous Flash Gordon [Brown] said...

Better off IN!

16 December 2009 at 21:12  
Blogger ZZMike said...

Leave it to the People? How absurd. How can mere People be expected to understand such weighty matters as Universal Law, the Benevolent Ministration of the State, and the need for five different wheelie-bins?

Only the Elite - and remember now, Plato thought this the best of all possible governments - can be trusted with matters of such import.

16 December 2009 at 21:43  
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16 December 2009 at 22:58  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Well done Mr. Carswell! At last, someone with the Eds to stand up and say what needed to be said. Cameron must be livid, poor thing. Maybe that crap he spouted about himself driving policy was the catalyst for this. Serves the arrogant fool right...

16 December 2009 at 23:14  
Anonymous not a machine said...

For those who do want a referendum, and the oppertunity to bo re frame and take back most of our own governance, Douglas Carswell is a hero . The method is perhaps not as fully embracing as sweeping a party into power on the obvious need to stop this super socialist construct of the EU , but on Mr Carswells part shows some guts .

I have heard all too long our politcal class giving soothing spin on how ridiculous it would be to get out of the EU , saying a referendum would not be worth the effort and who would be so foolish to deny the trade .

£45mn a day is given to the EU , they then take there running costs and pool money out before giving it back to us as grants/funding.

Trade is somthing useually dependent on market differences , however trade agreements are more about a politcal construct .

Given developed countries can no doubt make enough goods for there home markets , when countries develope it then becomes a matter of licence and certficate for competitors , after a while the beaurocracy becomes indistinguishable from the corporation and the corruptions begin of lobbiests and slush funds to court EU business .Corporations are then subject to the whims of political necessety .

None of this has much to do with national interest or benefit , for in any calamity they ensure they do not take the pain of the inherant errors of big economics and perhaps more appropiately big spending ecnonomics which in some projects has manifested itself into wholly expensive vanity projects for enrichment of new all too partisan in the conspiracy elites.

As we have seen in the UK , it is the tax payer and not the political massif that is asked to rectify the all too obvious construct flaws. It cannot travell light or be on in tune rations.

Say what you want about the United Kingdom , but we have cut or cloth reasonably well to best serve our people . Imagine some outside organisation having to downgrade us for this inept Labour governments polices . Daniels vison of 7 yrs good harvest and 7 years bad , was clearly forgotten by the great leader , who told us all he had ended boom and bust .

We can and should look after our own affairs , it would mean that we could little blame the ineptness or corruption of someone else and perhaps restore politics to a better position , rather than the spin and kanvery of this lot lording its daily disrepect over anyone who does not use bribery or has little influence or disgrees with them .

17 December 2009 at 00:44  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Well done Mr. Carswell - and even better done for publicizing this through his blog. We'd probably never have heard of it otherwise!!!

Thank you Your Grace for propagating the Cause!!

Now all we have to do is support it ... in every forum we can find, in every way we know how, and with all the arguments we know convey the truth.

And, of course, if we ever get beyond the Enemy of the People: Westminster - let's be prepared to refuse a second referendum should we get our result. Let's make it clear either that One Referendum is Final - or that another will be even more resoundingly against the devils. In other words, we should be prepared to tell the euSSR to get lost: they have no right to be here anyway.

... Oh - and let's take steps to assure the soundness of the ballot system.

17 December 2009 at 01:17  
Blogger F.G.S.A said...

That's absurd. It's not the people who decides in such matters but carefully crafted, manipulated public opinion reeking of herd-morality.

17 December 2009 at 04:11  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Good to see that there a few maverick voices in Parliament. What Carswell's proposed should have been Cameron's solution to Lisbon- an in or out vote would have put UKIP on the backfoot and united the Tory party around something more plausible than what Cameron came out with. As it is even the Duchess is now threatening to go UKIP.

Oh for the happy day when we withdraw from the EU!

17 December 2009 at 07:24  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

This may be the first step on our long journey to the sunlit uplands of freedom; it may be the first crack in the dam; it may be the first ray of sunshine that breaks through the dark clouds that have cast a shadow upon this once great nation:

'...my Private Members Bill faces an uphill struggle to become law. But it puts down a marker. It breaks the Westminster taboo. What has been unsaid for too long is now in print on the Order Paper.'

Three hurrahs for carswell!!!

17 December 2009 at 08:44  
Anonymous Anabaptist said...

It was Dougie's proposal that finally put paid to Mr Speaker Martin. Dougie would be the man to watch, with his radical ideas on direct democracy and his searing critiques of Westminster as a useless, self-serving claque. He is a courageous man of principle. Followers of his blog will know he has also seen the light on the AGW cult.

But he walks a tightrope: The Boy Dave, wielding his dictatorial power, will likely arrange for his deselection.

17 December 2009 at 10:04  
Anonymous Anabaptist said...

@not a machine:

It was Joseph who had the dream of seven years of plenty followed by seven years of famine -- not Daniel.

17 December 2009 at 10:07  
Anonymous I Albion said...

If we stop paying our 45 million a day,would they throw us out?..he that pay's the piper!

17 December 2009 at 10:14  
Blogger Young Mr. Brown said...

"Leave it to the People? How absurd. How can mere People be expected to understand such weighty matters as Universal Law, the Benevolent Ministration of the State, and the need for five different wheelie-bins?" (ZZMike)

And how would the people be expected to understand just how important EU membership is for creating jobs for British people - people like Baroness Ashton, Neil Kinnock, Chris Patten and our 73 MEPs? Members of Parliament understand how important it is to find well paid jobs for these people (after all, they may one day need one of these jobs) - ordinary voters don't.

A referendum on EU membership? What a horrible idea. Shudder.

;-)

17 December 2009 at 11:13  
Blogger Ingenieur said...

Hooray!
At last a chink of democratic light shines in the darkness of this dictatorial administration.

Pray that the darkness will not overcome it.

17 December 2009 at 12:19  
Anonymous not a machine said...

anabaptist :my appologies you are correct it was josephs dream he related to pharoe .

I perhaps was feeling the lion had a very expensive debaltating thorn in its paw .

17 December 2009 at 15:59  
Anonymous Adrian P said...

A referndum is pointless, you can no more make Treason Lawfull than you can Murder.
Besides, what makes you think they will not stitch us up with vote rigging.
Asking for a referndum is a very dangerous ploy.

OUT.

25 December 2009 at 19:57  

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