Monday, December 21, 2009

Gerry Adams to preach on forgiveness

Cranmer has been wondering why Gerry Adams has chosen now to disclose that his father was a serial abuser – emotionally, physically and sexually.

It is a curious sincerity which seeks now to give solace to others who may have so suffered, only to discover that the real reason might have something to do with the fact that his own brother is presently being sought by the police for sexually abusing his daughter, and that Gerry Adams has known about it for years: he says he believed his niece from the outset, but strangely did nothing about it.

And then it transpires that Channel 4 have invited the IRA chief to present a television programme about Jesus. The Sinn Fein leader is being filmed on a 'personal journey to discover the real Jesus'. He will also examine Christian teachings on 'love, forgiveness and repentance'.

No doubt he will find an Irish republican christology: the Jesus who visited Ireland and, draped in the tricolour, helped to drive out the invading hordes of Britons.

But Gerry Adams on forgiveness?

How can the unrepentant preach on forgiveness?

Victor Barker, whose 12-year-old son James died in the 1998 Omagh bombing, said: 'Asking Gerry Adams to speak about love and forgiveness is like asking Myra Hindley to lecture on child-minding. I think it's a big mistake and completely misguided. Channel 4 is being used by Mr Adams. It is offering him a platform for doing what he does so well, of coming across on camera as a genuine, peaceful person who wants to promote peace and love.'

Mr Adams' programme is one of a seven-part documentary series called The Bible: A History. Each part will be presented by commentators from 'very different backgrounds'. Channel 4 said Mr Adams would 'explore different perspectives on Jesus and how he is presented in the Bible'.

Ralph Lee, head of 'specialist factual' at Channel 4, said: 'This film will offer an insight into how a man so strongly associated first with conflict and then with peace in Northern Ireland has reconciled his religion with the decisions he has taken in his life. I think it will offer a rare perspective on the relationship between religion and conflict.'

Rare, indeed.

It beggars belief that Channel 4 have decided to help rehabilitate the man who has been president of Sinn Fein for 26 years and directly implicated in the murder of almost 2000 people. What is Christian about planting bombs which kill children and pregnant women?

Lord Tebbit, who was himself injured and his wife permanently disabled after the 1984 IRA bombing of the Grand Hotel in Brighton, burst out laughing when he heard about Mr Adams' programme.

He said: 'I wish him well. And I hope he also comes across the doctrine of hell and the consuming of pernicious unrepentant murderers and sinners in general by the fires of hell for all eternity. What will he do after that? A programme about pigs discovering cleanliness?'

This is not a programme about exploring Jesus, but of exploiting him.

Channel 4 should be interviewing those who have survived three decades of Gerry Adams’ murderous campaign. Therein lies the reality of the struggle for forgiveness, for Cranmer would far rather hear of the dark and bitter years endured by the Anglican Tebbits as they try to live each day a life of faith which demands forgiveness against every instinct of the flesh, than the hypocritical pious platitudes of professing Roman Catholic Gerry Adams – however much he may have been abused by his father.

30 Comments:

Blogger Gnostic said...

Soon he'll be blaming his terrorist tendencies on his old man. Shortly after that we'll see Brown on TV issuing the standard guilty socialist apology...

21 December 2009 at 10:50  
Blogger Crap said...

Shocking stuff. I wonder what the reaction would be if Nick Griffin appear in a similar program. It seems being un-PC is a lot worse than murder in Nu Labour's Britain.

21 December 2009 at 11:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Adams Family Values.

His sexually abusing brother must be forgiven, because he isn't a priest.
His father should be forgiven because he was a 'volunteer' who did 7 years inside for trying to murder policemen. This clearly traumatised him, so it really is the fault of the Brits.
And Gerry Adams must be forgiven because although he knew about his brother's abuse for years, family loyalty is a great republican virtue.
And it's Christmas, a grand time fro the family & all. Slainte!

21 December 2009 at 11:11  
Anonymous Knighthawk said...

Channel 4 is being used by Mr Adams. It is offering him a platform.........

Channel 4 are the instigators of this so I would suggest that it is just as likely that they are using Mr Adams to further their agenda on religious affairs. Will Mr Adams be allowed to find the the real Jesus or steered towards a counterfeit devoid of the power to save and change lives?

We will have to wait and see.

21 December 2009 at 11:42  
Blogger gyg3s said...

One thing that puzzles me is why is it only Omagh that can seek compensation for being bombed by the IRA; why not Manchester?

21 December 2009 at 12:24  
Anonymous circus monkey said...

Does anyone at Channel4 actually believe in Jesus?

21 December 2009 at 12:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It beggars belief that Channel 4 have decided to help rehabilitate the man who has been president of Sinn Fein for 26 years"

No it doesn't, it's par for the course.

Have you ever watched channel 4 news? It's worse than the BBC and that's saying something. Don't forget that channel 4 gets public money just like the beeb.

21 December 2009 at 12:47  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Adams knew that his brother worked with children in Clonard, west Belfast...long after he was made aware his brother was abusing his daughter.
He must be investigated by the parliamentary standards commissioner.

21 December 2009 at 12:57  
Anonymous Dick the Prick said...

Unlike Gordon who is the 'son of the manse' - Gerry is trying to remould himself as 'son of the nonse'.

Taxi? For me?

21 December 2009 at 13:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I smell Jesuitism

21 December 2009 at 14:30  
Anonymous Mark Blades said...

Where is there an Oliver Cromwell when you need one?

21 December 2009 at 16:20  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Your grace may also be contemplating the bigger revelation of this .

It is unusual in that it reveals an all too common problem of how to uphold the values of gospel. We have been somewhat succesful in accusing past decades of poverty for producing violence and poor adults/parents .

The liberals may well indeed be thinking about this in a causal but incomplete way and hoping for Gerry Adams to have somehow suceeded despite adversity. There may be other roots yet to come , the roman catholic church acted to conceal its own child abusing evil conducted by a few of its priests and homes.

These minority stories of child abuse in any church , do nothing to people looking in , they see piety as concealment. christ appears to not be present and allow the injustices.

The almost unbearable truth in Gods timing is when someone like Gerry Adams is compelled "to look into the glass darkly" . As an individual I cannot confere forgiveness or repentence on behalf of Gerry Adams , nor will anyone watching his program .

Only an meaningfull repentence is between God and the individual , those whom have in turn been victim of hidden evil , then are left to continue to work it out ,until the words begin to result in the destruction of the sinful strong hold , and break the chains in others .

It is hard to say if any of us have somehow been party to abuse in its smallest form , we may have sat quite , not stopped at an accident ,que jumped .

If no one is without sin , then we should be carefull with gods judgements , speaking personally escape is not an option from anyone seeking true repentence and forgiveness is such an intimate and powerfull tool , he will find that in seeking it he will return life to others , still seaking there own answer as to why the "troubles "claimed so many lives , and even today still broods fear in some areas of Ireland and northern Ireland .

let us hope and pray that Gerry Adams is able to listen to god , before another generation is sent down the wrong path of christian workings .

21 December 2009 at 16:34  
Anonymous Mark Blades said...

My previous comment looks rather barbarous in cold print and I'd like to withdraw it.
I'm afraid that Channel 4 has the ability to stir up the worst kind of reactions in me-which is probably what it intends to do. So, I shall do the only thing I can do to a commercial company and that it to withdraw my custom and not watch. If enough people do the same, then maybe it will go out of business. One can only hope.

21 December 2009 at 16:50  
Anonymous IanCad said...

Mark Blades, 16:50
You are being far too harsh on yourself. We are enjoined to pray for, and forgive our enemies. The results will be in God's providence. There is surely no incompatibility between these acts and a desire to see our country uplifted from its present fallen condition?

21 December 2009 at 18:50  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope that Mr. Adams finds our Lord if he has not by the time of this blog, and also that those who suffered due to wrongs committed by some on all sides of the troubles get healing, and that all find our Lord who have not. We are all sinners who can be be forgiven if we trust that our Lord does and can forgive though His costly death and resurrection for our wrongdoings, whether great or small in others' eyes.

I also hope that Jesus will not be expolited by any tv or commercial ventures.

Wars and troubles can be dirty. There are no doubt some (including those not involved in a given dispute) who have been smeared in the midst of conflicts and even in politics, business and life (including church life) who are innocent of accusations made against them but convenient scapegoats or decoys from the "guilty" by some who make mistakes in their investigations or even some who knowingly spread lies. False flags do occur sometimes in disputes or even for filthy lucre or selfish ambition. In heated disputes in life, especially where power, money, disputes or war are concerned, I often sadly wonder about how much is omitted in the news or if some things ar true. Our Lord knows everything.

I also sincerely hope and pray that Mr. Tebbit and his loved ones as well as Mrs. Thatcher are blessed and doing well. Traumatic events or injury are painful and no kindness is too much for those who have suffered or are suffering, and forgiveness, like following our Lord, is not always easy or instant, especially with frequent pain or reminders of the trauma.

21 December 2009 at 19:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

re 19:14
I am sorry. I did not mean to be disrespectful by failing to mention the suffering of Mrs. Tebbit or Mr. Barker and his family or any others who suffered during the Troubles.

21 December 2009 at 19:29  
Anonymous len said...

Jesus Christ can save the vilest sinner.
However God is not mocked, and he looks into the heart.
Mr Adams doesn`t have to convince us, he has to convince God.

21 December 2009 at 19:47  
Blogger The Lakelander said...

"Gerry Adams on forgiveness"

Well that's 30 seconds of televsion filled.

There used to a popular series of jokes in student Rag mags entitled "The Thinnest Books in the World."

The titles included "The Italian Book of Heroes", "The German Book of Humour"...you get the idea. It was the 70's....

I wonder how many other total non-sequitur presenters Channel 4 can dream up?

Cherie Blair on frugality...Jonathan Ross on talent...Nick Griffin on kosher recipies? Feel free to add your own.

21 December 2009 at 20:27  
Blogger DWMF said...

I'd give a million quid to see the headline: "IRA terrorist was also a kiddy fiddler".

But we won't. Ho hum.

21 December 2009 at 23:40  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Sounds as though the Beeb have been caught nodding off while down on the prayer mat. They've missed a chance for inter-faith dialog with Gerry Adams. Imagine Gerry workshopping on hints for re-habilitation with scum from hezbollah, al qaeda and hizb al watnot.

22 December 2009 at 10:50  
Blogger Ian said...

Len - I'd like to thank you for comments on this blog, if I may. Your comment analysis and perspective are always a learning experience and a positive joy to read, especially when one struggles to see the truth in things.
Happy Christmas.

22 December 2009 at 13:08  
Blogger David said...

What's the problem?
The man has Admitted he has done wrong and his organisation have admitted they have done wrong. Whic is more that Anthony Blair has done. In fact Mr Blair, who is responsible for 100,000s more deaths than Mr Adams, has said he has no regrets about carpet bombing innocent women and children in Baghdad. They hypocrisy of the British here is just sickening. Will Tony Blair, or indeed any other soldier, meet with the victims of the people beaten to death in custody in Iraq? Thought not. Perhaps the children burnt to a crisp when the RAF carpet bombed Yugoslavia? Nope
Will any British person be flying out to South Africe demanding compensation from arms companies for supplying loyalist deeaths squads and murdering their way throught the middle east? Doubt it very much. Adams is ten times the man Blair is.

22 December 2009 at 16:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David - such bitterness is only topped by such ignorance.

You sound like a comunist rabble rouser from the 50's. Spouting such rubbish culled from straight from ignorant pseudo political manisfesto does you no credit.

Highjack the debate, accuse intemperately, ignore facts, discount historical accuracy just so you can call the British names - it's the rationale of juveniles.

And as for Gerry Adams - has he not heard that when Jesus said "suffer little children to come unto me" he didn't actually mean blown there intemperately in pieces by the IRA.

23 December 2009 at 04:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Will any British person be flying out to South Africe demanding compensation from arms companies for supplying loyalist deeaths squads and murdering their way throught the middle east? Doubt it very much. Adams is ten times the man Blair is."

They are similar. In January 2006, Blair's instructions to Ruth Kelly, were 'do anything you like - but do not ban sex offenders working with children"

( that was the only anchor aspect)

I would therefore say SF and Tony Blair had the same general approach. C. Ruane has resolutely refused to ban sex offenders working in her schools.

23 December 2009 at 12:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From David Lonsdale

If Adams or Channel 4 want to understand Christian forgiveness in all its humility and all its glory they should re-run the tapes showing the reaction of Gordon Wilson, following the murder of his daughter by the IRA at Enniskillen.
On hearing his statement I fell to my knees and thanked God that such men existed. He knew that one day he would see his daughter again in glory and therefore the events of that day were merely a page in a book that had no end.

Thank-you, Lord, for the witness of Gordon Wilson.

24 December 2009 at 20:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

** I hope noone will be offended by this. I apologise in advance. I am not trying to offend anyone on any side of the dispute and what I write is as an individual Chrstian in response to the blog article. I write because I feel that the news and teaching about disputes of all kinds often gets oversimplified and that does not help anyone, and I do not want to get dragged into this or any other dispute**

Putting aside the issue of wrongs committed by various groups in the Irish conflict, and as someone who had nothing to do with that conflict, I do not know which individuals did which wrongs where wrongs were committed by some of any parties involved; and putting aside the issue of the need for compassion for victims of violence including those traumatised or otherwise harmed or injured including the Tebbit and Barker families as well as some Catholic families including the Adams family; and also putting aside the issue of the accidental or non-accidental abuse of sensitive or sensational topics by those producing tv programmes; I do, as an individual Christian also want to say the following, and please do not misunderstand me - I do not agree with premeditated terrorism, state terrorism or criminal acts by anyone; I do not know the details of all the incidents and history but there were no doubt real grievances on all sides, including by those on some sides who also wronged some of "their" enemies; I assume also that some innocents were dragged in, some even falsely accused, and that the life of those in the Irish communities affected and the authorities including security and the armed forces must have been hell and that some on all sides may have made mistakes under stress or because of the dirty tricks of some, as well as some premeditated wrong-doing; I assume that the history and coverage of the Irish disputes were sometimes biased depending on who wrote about it (biased by and against all sides affected), and also because it became like a war, and one over grievances and disputes including land-rights and ethnicity which had been going on for generations; I assume there was and is a lot of suffering, grievances, grief and hatred.
There but by the Grace of God went I and most of us. How many of us who were not involved know how we would have behaved if we were part of the Irish Protestant, Irish Catholic or British Community involved in/directly affected by the Irish disputes? Would we have forgiven those who harmed us or our loved ones or community? Would we have spoken out against or rejected any hatred regardless of against which "side" hatred was expressed, even possibly at the cost of death to us or a loved one? Would we have have been tempted to take revenge?
Most of us, including myself, do not know how we would have behaved or how Christlike or not our attitudes would have been, do we? If we had grown up during such times in the midst of such long-term and widespread suffering, grievances and afflictions, would we have become full of hatred and vengeance or peaceful? How would the severe and long-term stress have affected our personal and family lives? Could any experts out there who can answer the following: if someone was born on any side in the conflict, and had not joined "their" side or organisations, would they have been at risk from both their "own" side as well as any of the "other" sides including by being not accepted or protected by "their" community? Were the "sides" non-homogenous i.e. did the different groups contain a mix of people -naive, not naive, non-violent, violent and those into terrifying or terrorising others? Or was everything all black-and-white and simple? Again, I am against acts of violence or terrorism by any-one. I am also not into revenge. And I do feel compassion and sorrow for all affected by the wrongs done, regardless of who the victim or perpetrator was.

27 December 2009 at 04:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re the abuse issue: abuse is terrible, whoever the victim, and it occurs and is covered up in families where there is already a lot of pain, as well as producing a lot more pain. I do not know the motive for Mr. Adams now protecting his sister. In this issue, she is a direct victim, and he is an indirect one of the family system. If he covered up the abuse before, he and anyone else who did so also harmed her. It is probably healing for her to now be protected, and the abuse labelled as wrong, where she was not before. The publicity (which is harmful) may not have been avoidable. It was wrong and harmful to cover it up before, though it may have been understandable given that I assume the scandal might have been exploited during the Troubles by some and probably not to benefit or help the victim of the abuse or the family. It is a good thing if she and the family can now heal, forgive and move on over time.

And, if anyone in the Adams family has or will choose to follow our Lord by recieving unconditional forgiveness from Him through His being punished for our sins instead of us by God the Father (the only perfect Father or perfect parent) at the cross, and which alone brings new life and the ability to repent and change, then I will rejoice. Our Lord chooses and calls people. We do not decide who gets saved.

Paul persecuted and voted to have followers of Jesus unjustly killed out of a false zeal before our Lord called Him on the road to Damascus and He understood the gospel of grace. I personally do not know what Mr. Adams (or anyone else in the dispute) has or has not done. I assume the Irish situation is complex and dirty and that should our Lord save him, he may well not tell all. I assume that some wrongs on all sides of the problem have been "forgiven" before man by government for good and/or bad reasons including giving the Irish a chance to move on and reconcile over time. And I assume that any who have done wrong on any of the sides involved in that conflict will have the same difficult issues if they do not know Him and choose to follow our Lord Jesus Christ. And as with all wrongdoing whereever - great or small - the secret as well as openly known wrong deeds of all who reject to follow our Lord Jesus will be revealed and judged on the Day of Judgement, just as the deeds of those who have genuinely received grace and forgiveness through our Lord's punishment on the Cross and who therefore were enabled by our Lord to repent,and did repent, will all have been forgiven. Our Lord really did say "It is finished" before He died. He really had borne all our sins. They really had been laid on Him as if He had sinned, not us. God the Father really had punished Him instead of us who deserved eternal punishment in hell as justice for our wrong-doing against God and people including ourselves. That is what happened. Those of us who accept as a free gift such unmerited and unconditional forgiveness really do get forgiven by our Lord Jesus, regardless of the true or false accusations against ourselves (we can only be forgiven for what we did, not for what we did not do), and regardless of whether our sins are large or small in the public's eyes. There is also sometimes but not always (see Acts re Paul: Acts does not mention apologies or restitution, but Paul thanked God for his salvation by serving God, and it is notable that the church did not trust Paul had converted but feared him for a while) a place for saying sorry to people or restitution or other acts of goodwill, but it is not essential for salvation.

27 December 2009 at 04:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Christian I try not to - but fail sometimes - to put stumbling blocks in the path of any who may be looking for God. The Lord came to save sinners,not the righteous. We who truly follow our Lord know we are all great sinners saved by grace, and that any one can be saved.
Again - I wish to repeat that I am against any wrongdoing which was committed by any side in that conflict, and wish to express as an individual Christian sorrow and compassion for all who were hurt or mourn as a result of the conflict, including any who might have done wrong but were also wronged by some on the other sides of the conflict. Also, I wish to express sorrow that Mr. Adams sister was abused, that it was covered up, and that there is family pain which led to abuse happening in the first place, as well as the pain of any cover-up. I am glad if she is now being protected, and it must take courage to admit a prior cover-up as well as to admit that abuse happened in one's family. I wish everyone in that family well and hope also that God will heal any false or genuine shame - which is the toxic factor in families where abuse happens. Again, I also feel compassion for the Tebbit, Barker, Thatcher and other families affected on the mainland and hope they heal where they have not. I also have compassion for the soldiers sent to a diffcult conflict. I am glad that I was not born into that conflict.
I hope that no-one will feel they can't follow the Jesus because either their sins are too great or too small. I hope also they will have grace, courage and patience in forgiving. Compared to our Lord we are all very unholy and unrighteous, we are all victims of others' wrongs as well as wrong-doers ourselves, and we all suffer at some point in our lives, though some suffer much more than others, and suffering is not a small or easy matter. In regard to the Irish dispute and its consequences there must still be a lot of grief, suffering and mourning in many people's lives, and I hope our Lord will heal and comfort all affected, that there will be repentance, forgiveness and reconciliation between the communities in the long-run, and no more vengeance. Our Lord cares for all affected and all wronged, regardless of the "side".
I want to add the words of a song
because personally I get sick of the hurts caused by hatred - other people's disputes which drag in (including by slander) or harm innocents as well as those in the dispute, whether disputes between individuals in or across families, communities or countries, and including those who hate others because they are rich or poor or of a different social class, politics, religion or background. Disputes which grow, including when grievances on all sides are not sufficiently addressed, wreak havoc on all affected, whether innocent or not.Evil loves hatred harming people.
I need to be reminded often to try to forgive and ask forgiveness, which is not always easy. I also need to be reminded that situations are not always black or white, that there but by the Grace of God go I whenever I judge others, that I am called like all Christians to try to "overcome evil with good" and that the real enemy when anyone harms me or others, friend or not, is not flesh and blood but evil beings in the spiritual realms.

27 December 2009 at 04:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are the lyrics of a song I find comforting by Vineyard publishing (there are people in that church who love our Lord, although I sadly feel the need to add I find their inner healing unscriptural):
At the Cross
Randy And Terry Butler

I know a place, A wonderful Place
Where Accused and condemned
Find Mercy and Grace
Where the Wrongs we have done
And the wrongs done to us
Were nailed there with Him
There at the Cross

At the Cross (at the cross)
He died for our sin.
At the Cross (at the Cross)
He gave us life again.

I know a place
A wonderful place.

** Again, I hope no-one will be offended by this. I apologise in advance. I am not trying to offend anyone on any side of the dispute and what I write is as an individual Chrstian in response to the blog article. I write because I feel that the news and teaching about disputes of all kinds often gets oversimplified and that does not help anyone, and I do not want to get dragged into this or any other dispute.**

27 December 2009 at 04:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re the above comments: I wrote sister instead of niece. I did not intend to be disrespectful and I apologise.

27 December 2009 at 06:27  

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