Tuesday, December 01, 2009

Lisbon Treaty comes into force – the Inglorious Revolution

1st December 2009 will go down in British history as a turning point; it is as constitutionally significant as that of 15th November 1688, when King William’s fleet arrived in Torbay to deliver the land from tyranny: it was the last successful invasion of England.

There had never been a revolution quite like it. The Glorious Revolution of 1688 is often termed ‘bloodless’, and it was, almost. It was a conspiracy by a faction of the ruling élite which led an invasion by invitation: they were concerned to preserve and propagate their religio-political agenda which involved an internal change of constitution.

The Inglorious Revolution of 2009 has also been bloodless: it is also a conspiracy by the ruling élite which has led to an invasion by invitation: they are also concerned to propagate their religio-political agenda which involves an undeniable internal change of constitution.

The revolution/invasion of 1688 was by the Protestant Dutch, and it heralded an era of constitutional monarchy, the Bill of Rights, religious liberty, material prosperity and political stability. The revolution/invasion of 2009 is by the European Union, the suzerain power, to which the Monarch is now subject: it enshrines a charter of ‘fundamental human rights’, and heralds an era of religious oppression, penal taxation, economic stagnation and political instability.

On this day, the ‘Constitution for Europe’ becomes law, and the ‘President of Europe’ becomes our head of state. The Queen is still the Queen, but she is now subject to the provisions of the new constitution. The Prime Minister is still the Prime Minister, but he is now obliged to promote the aims and objectives of the European Union over and above those of the United Kingdom.

And yet we are no more an ‘occupied’ nation than we became in 1688, for our Parliament has conspired with a foreign power: they have permitted, encouraged, conceded and surrendered. We are now but a province in the Empire of Europa: the Queen is but a regional governor beneath an omnipotent Emperor; Parliament is but a regional council, yet it lacks even the authority to legislate for refuse collection or road repairs. From today, everything is subject to the Supreme Government in Brussels.

And still the people come and go, talking not quite of Michelangelo, but of Coronation Street, X-Factor and I'm a Celebrity.

And still the anoraks pore over their opinion polls, wondering about the size of the next majority or the prospect of a hung parliament.

Nothing, apparently, has changed at all.

But everything has.

133 Comments:

Blogger D. Singh said...

No! No! No!

I'll never surrender to this fascist power!

1 December 2009 at 10:08  
Blogger Preacher said...

Your Grace.
I for one do not accept the E.U as governing this country. Never have, never will. I didn't vote for them, I didn't vote for their so called 'president', I didn't vote for the quisling Brown to be P.M. I have not 'loaned' them the right to govern on my behalf.
As far as I'm concerned I live in a politically occupied country & although it may take time, & pain like France in WW2 I will continue to believe in & eagerly await the day of Liberation, by God or by man.

1 December 2009 at 10:17  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Preacher,

I want to know; tell me the truth: has God abandoned us?

1 December 2009 at 10:21  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Singh, Mr Preacher,

His Grace hates to disappoint. But whether or not you wish to surrender is immaterial: it has been done vicariously on your behalf. You have no choice in the matter of your new government, and you are most certainly governed by them.

What the nation now needs is seven bishops...

1 December 2009 at 10:29  
Blogger Preacher said...

Mr Singh.
No, The avarice & sin of evil men has been allowed to come to fruitition (remember the wheat & the tares) until the time of the harvest. Stay strong my brother, many people will be looking for strength & guidance in the difficult times ahead.

1 December 2009 at 10:32  
Anonymous McKenzie said...

I can feel your frustration here 100%. I am not trying to place myself on any kind of equal footing intellectually, but I do sense your frustration. I feel exactly the same way. Listening to superficial clap trap on every front is more than depressing. Where we do differ, I am certain, is that I am ready to engage in mass slaughter at the first opportunity, and so help me God I will if I am ever afforded the unlikely opportunity. I may not be the anti Christ, in the sense that I am unfortunately unable to drag my sorry arse up to anywhere like a place where I can begin to unleash what sits inside me like the manifestation of hell on Earth. Pray people that I am contained and that if there is such a thing as the anti Christ that it does not decide to recruit me. If the anti Christ is out there, I am here waiting good sir!

1 December 2009 at 10:40  
Blogger Preacher said...

Your Grace.
With all due respect. surrender is a matter of the heart & soul.
History has I believe proved that legislation can be imposed on an occupied nation, but until the people lose their will to resist & subject themselves to the jackboot of tyranny on their necks, that nation is not in the fullest sense conqured.

1 December 2009 at 10:42  
Blogger D. Singh said...

This England never did, nor never shall,
Lie at the proud foot of a conqueror,
But when it first did help to wound itself.
Now these her princes are come home again,
Come the three corners of the world in arms,
And we shall shock them: nought shall make us rue,
If England to itself do rest but true.

King John,

Act 5, Scene 7

William Shakespeare (1564-1616)

1 December 2009 at 10:44  
Anonymous OB1 said...

Nothing, apparently, has changed at all.

But everything has.

Indeed.
It is the slow boiling of the frog.

1 December 2009 at 10:47  
Blogger Preacher said...

D.Singh.
And W Shakespeare. AMEN!

1 December 2009 at 10:49  
Blogger someday said...

Bloodless - for the time being.

1 December 2009 at 10:59  
Anonymous Social Democrat said...

can't see what is wrong with the EU myself, it has kept the peace in europe for over 60 years, it is a free trading area and the lisbon treaty is merely the logical conclusion of all of this. We should rejoice in the fact we are now part of the federal europe; it will mean that the tories can never damage our country again- in fact if cameron wins, it won't be a victory because the EU will keep him into line. I only say embrace this citizens of the EU!

1 December 2009 at 11:00  
Anonymous Dar al-Islam said...

Hopefully the EU will let Turkey join and Morocco, Algeria, Libya and Egypt. Then the EU would be a world and muslim power.

1 December 2009 at 11:02  
Anonymous McKenzie said...

Preacher

I would say that your heart is in the right place, but seeing how you spout shite such, then I cannot. The people are conquered because there is no heart or soul. They have been boiled long ago with OB1's frog. You never heard the screams because it was done slowly. What you hear now is nothing more than bubbles and froth.

1 December 2009 at 11:03  
Anonymous Religion of Peace said...

Mckenzie, you spout shite too , so you and preacher can get along just fine- like Turkey would with other european countries,if she was allowed to join the EU.

1 December 2009 at 11:07  
Anonymous McKenzie said...

Dear anti Christ,

Let me loose, my training is complete. My list is full and whines at the gates like a bitch on heat. Set me free and I will play your music like it has never been heard.

1 December 2009 at 11:08  
Anonymous McKenzie said...

There will be plenty of Turkey on the menu in my season of joy!

1 December 2009 at 11:11  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Lord God, look at Mr Social Democrat dancing. Do you see how our enemies rejoice over us?

You who made the eyes; you who made the ear; do you not see? Do you not hear?

Oh God! Why do you stand afar off?

Why are you making us pay for the betrayal of wicked men?

Why?

1 December 2009 at 11:36  
Blogger I am Stan said...

Yo your graceness,...no your worshipfulness nothing has changed..we are still born and still die,we still laugh and cry,we are ruled still by the blameless and faceless,was it not ever thus.

¨Welcome to the new boss,same as the old boss.¨

The Who.

1 December 2009 at 11:50  
Anonymous Steve said...

Mutatis mutandis, I am reminded of Burns:

1.
Fareweel to a' our Scottish fame,
Fareweel our ancient glory!
Fareweel ev'n to the Scottish name.
Sae famed in martial story!
Now Sark rins over Salway sands,
An' Tweed rins to the ocean,
To mark where England's province stands --
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
2.
What force or guile could not subdue
Thro' many warlike ages
Is wrought now by a coward few
For hireling traitor's wages.
The English steel we could disdain,
Secure in valour's station;
But English gold has been our bane --
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
3.
O, would, or I had seen the day
That Treason thus could sell us,
My auld grey head had lien in clay
Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace!
But pith and power, till my last hour
I'll mak this declaration :-
'We're bought and sold for English gold'--
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

1 December 2009 at 11:56  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

The amended treaty states:

“The functioning of the Union shall be founded on representative democracy. Citizens are directly represented at Union level in the European Parliament. Member States are represented in the European Council by their Heads of State or Government and in the Council by their governments...” (Art.10 TEU).

Compare that with what is stated to be the foundation of the present Mastricht Treaty-based EU (Art.6 TEU):

“The Union is founded on the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law, principles which are common to the Member States.”

This is what is missing in the amended treaty’s foundations:

1. principles of liberty;
2. democracy;
3. respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms;
4. principles which are common to the Member States.

1 December 2009 at 12:14  
Anonymous I am not Stan said...

I am Stan

You are just an example of the simple minded pricks who have their satisfaction in the X Factor and the soaps on TV, while many more of us do more crying than laughing about the tragedy of it. I often wonder if we are somehow aborting the true inheritors of the Kingdom of Heaven while allowing the dreggs to be born, all the evidence points me to this conclusion. Drowning in a sea/ocean of simple minded pricks.

1 December 2009 at 12:23  
Anonymous Mrs Prufrock said...

Round our house we talk of Michelango all the time, Your Grace. We believe him to be one of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles on whose back the universe is supported.

1 December 2009 at 12:24  
Anonymous martin sewell said...

Social Democrat,

Leaving aside some of the more extravagant opinions that seem to populate the site today,that which is good which you subscribe to the EU was surely accomplished whilst it was a free trade zone of Sovereign states. Our peoples were particularly proud of their history which had, with its intellectual and direct forbears, rescued Europe in living memory from the consequences of its "rationalist" philosophers and tyrants.

We are accordingly all the more angry that we have been handed over to an entity without consent or even consultation, and that the body to which we are (but not in spirit) subject, is not only run by the unelected but by those so corrupt that they have never been able to file an audited account, and worse still, have no great crisis of conscience at that incapacity.

1 December 2009 at 12:41  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

Dear Social Democrat, I pray for your eyes to be opened

I merely point out that it is NATO which has kept the peace in europe for the past 60 years, nothing at all to do with the eu.

And what has the eu got to do with Social Democracy, a worthy ideal in itself? Nothing, since the eu is an unelected dictatorship....or hadn't you noticed? And if you have noticed, why don't you care?

Don't quite remember voting for or against your federal europe, old man. When did this vote take place? I recall being offered a free trading area, but nobody quite mentioned anything about being an eu citizen and part of a federal europe. In fact, dear old Ted Heath assured us, nay, insisted, that the "anti's" of the day were being being little Englanders and that signing up to his ideal meant absolutely no loss of sovereignty whatsoever. Quite a joke, that, isn't it?

Further comment invited...I'd like to know what I've apparently missed over the past 30 years

1 December 2009 at 12:41  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Declaration No. 17 which concerns Primacy says that where there is a conflict between our duties and rights towards Britain and our rights and duties towards the EU; the rights and duties towards the EU are, in law, superior.

1 December 2009 at 12:44  
Anonymous Bag Lady said...

Is McKenzie for real? If so, he seems like quite a disturbed young man, a typical victim of the new labour/EU state in which we live. Can anyone help him?

In respect of the post, yes, it is a bad day. But is typical of how the EU works. It doesn't do french revolutions, but wins through a drip, drip , drip of power gain. Until we have no power left.

1 December 2009 at 12:46  
Anonymous Ted Heath was right said...

So if we were outside of Europe, is the answer really in toadying to the Americans? Look at the contempt with which Obama has for the UK (didn't Brown have to ambush him in the loos to speak to him?). Today Obama will announce what he is going to do with Afghanistan- a bit too late given many more British soldiers have died. Do we really want to tie ourselves to a state which does not care and has a low opinion of our army?

1 December 2009 at 12:54  
Blogger D. Singh said...

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1 December 2009 at 12:59  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Article 10 of the TEU says that the EU opposes the right of the British government to represent the British people in the EU:

The functioning of the Union shall be founded on representative democracy. Citizens are directly represented at Union level in the European Parliament. Member States are represented in the European Council by their Heads of State or Government and in the Council by their governments...

1 December 2009 at 13:00  
Blogger Robert said...

Treasure your legacy of skills, child of Europe.
Inheritor of Gothic cathedrals, of baroque churches.
Of synagogues filled with the wailing of a wronged people.
Successor of Descartes, Spinoza, inheritor of the word 'honor',
Posthumous child of Leonidas
Treasure the skills acquired in the hour of terror.

You have a clever mind which sees instantly
The good and bad of any situation.
You have an elegant, skeptical mind which enjoys pleasures
Quite unknown to primitive races.

Guided by this mind you cannot fail to see
The soundness of the advice we give you:
Let the sweetness of day fill your lungs
For this we have strict but wise rules.

-Czeslaw Milosz, 1946

Happy birthday, Europe.

1 December 2009 at 13:03  
Anonymous John Wrake said...

Your Grace,

I have promised to uphold the formularies of the Church of England, which include in Article 37, "The King's Majesty hath the chief power in this Realm of England, and other his Dominions, unto whom the chief Government of all Estates of this Realm, whether they be Ecclesiastical or Civil, in all causes doth appertain, and is not, nor ought to be, subject to any foreign Jurisdiction".

I cannot, in good conscience, break my oath.

Since Parliament ceded sovereignty to the E.U. unlawfully, since it was outside their powers, law cannot be based on an unlawful act.
E.U. law is consequently invalid in this country.

John Wrake

1 December 2009 at 13:05  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

@ Ted Heath was right

Yes, certainly, my good Sir...I would willingly tie myself to the USA any day of the week in preference to the bondage of Brussels

For all its faults, it is a democracy, and not a dictatorship.

And president Obama may not like us, perhaps with good reason, but, who knows, the next president may do so.

With the eu, however, we don;t get to choose a president. It;s done for us, as all good dictatorships do, without the option or an election

Let's have NAFTA. It's free, too.

Cordially yours, and may Ted Heath rot as a traitor to England

1 December 2009 at 13:09  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Article 13 of the TEU says that the European Council of Prime Ministers and Presidents into a new body – so that its acts of commission or omission are subject to legal review by the EU’s Supreme Court.

Our Prime Minister in this transformed body will have to represent the EU to the British people. Where there is a conflict of interest between the British people and the EU, the British Prime Minister will have to side with the EU – as the EU is superior

1 December 2009 at 13:12  
Anonymous Ted Heath, A Hero of England said...

D.Singh, thanks for pointing this out, but should you really be suprised ? In any federal system, the federal government is superior to the provincial one.

1 December 2009 at 13:19  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

There will be no need for the EU to march policemen and soldiers in EU uniforms in Piccadilly: the British government, judges, soldiers and policemen will implement and apply EU law as they interpret and apply British law in conformity with EU law.

1 December 2009 at 13:24  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

And now, something for our communicants from Ireland.

Mr Justice Frank Clarke, made absolutely no attempt to explain these major constitutional changes to the Irish people or convey their significance in the Lisbon Two referendum in October. This was despite the fact that the Referendum Commission’s prime statutory duty under the Referendum Act was to explain to citizens how the proposed Lisbon constitutional amendment would affect the Irish Constitution.

1 December 2009 at 13:28  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Oh! Something for Lord Lavendon.

The TEU abolishes the European Community. That referendum we had in the 1970s; well, that’s been terminated.

1 December 2009 at 13:33  
Blogger Preacher said...

Mr Mckenzie.
Well if I listen to your ranting, there is plenty of bubbles & froth lots of noise but what does it amount to? a final white flag of defeatism.
Religion of Peace.
I see you have not had the courage to follow my suggestion & check things out before you posted again. I didn't think you would. I feel you should consider another pseudonym as your current one does not fit your nature very well does it? Your pride, arrogance & antagonism are features that I find crude but amusing. Others obviously don't & thus may feel that it represents the general feeling among others of your faith. Do you really believe that you are promoting Peace, or is it just a title of pride? you know pride like Satan had just before he got kicked out of Paradise.

1 December 2009 at 13:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And you D. Singh better shut yer gob up. You are no longer permitted to criticise the EU. Criticism is caught under ‘any activity… any act…’

ARTICLE 54
PROHIBITION OF ABUSE OF RIGHTS

Nothing in this Charter shall be interpreted as implying any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms recognised in this Charter or at their limitation to a greater extent than is provided for herein.

1 December 2009 at 13:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

‘our Parliament has conspired with a foreign power’

Indeed it has, Your Grace. I believe such an act is called treason.

1 December 2009 at 14:01  
Blogger Recusant said...

"The revolution/invasion of 1688 was by the Protestant Dutch, and it heralded an era of constitutional monarchy, the Bill of Rights, RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, material prosperity and political stability."

I think you'll find that the 'religious liberty' was being offered by James II and that the invasion was partly 'invited' to ensure that there should be religious liberty if you chose to be protestant, but not for Catholicism.

1 December 2009 at 14:17  
Blogger F.G.S.A said...

Sad indeed.

Hear the wailing of the daughters of the Thames! Alberich revels in his hole in Brussels.

Come ICXC+!

1 December 2009 at 14:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Recusant, your the arrogant sod who thinks it is OK for the panzer Pope to use the Church of England in some game to get the orthodox back in Rome's clutches.

Before you lecture anyone about liberty, you did not mention that at the time the catholics wanted to destroy england. what about the spanish inquisition- another example of catholic liberty eh? or what the french state did to the Protestant Huguenots?

1 December 2009 at 14:25  
Anonymous Ted Heath was a Traitor said...

Your Grace - well, it's actually me, Old Grumpy, but if these other communicants can get away with highly inflamatory names like "Ted Heath was a hero" and suchlike then the balance needs to be restored

But thank you for reminding us all that England, as we know her, died today

May she rest in peace.

And one hopes also that Thatcher, M, Major, J, and Brown G, may also offer their prayers asking for forgiveness, for they know not (one hopes) what they did when it came to signing off some of the interim stages of the glorious Federal Union dream, drip fed to us, as correctly pointed out today, in the time hallowed fashion of the boiling frogs.

Heath, E, of course, is beyond hope, or prayer. But he, of them all, knew exactly who he was doing.

1 December 2009 at 14:41  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...

Bag Lady

Not so young, but very disturbed. Can anyone help?? Not so far, in fact I am utterly convinced that it has gone beyond, but that is not such an achievement in today's instant coffee world. It's a sign of the times. Religion and peace have never been synonymous, but that is religion for you - maybe you would like my religion?

We are all doomed in the end you know. I would like to say it is fun, but it is not.

1 December 2009 at 14:45  
Blogger Recusant said...

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1 December 2009 at 14:46  
Blogger Recusant said...

'Anonymous'

It is of course your right to consider me arrogant, but might I correct you on a few of your statements?

My family didn't want to "destroy England": we were English.

The Spanish Inquisition? That hoary old chestnut? Nasty, I'm sure, if you had to deal with them, but not as nasty as dealing with the civil courts at the time nor yet the murderous witch-hunters who found such fertile soil in protestant liberty.

The French, as ever, are the French and we English, as Catholics, mostly, and protestants, partially, have been dealing with their deceitful ways for a thousand years. What they did to the Huguenots was appalling and un-Christian.

None of what you say detracts from the fact that James II issued an Act of Toleration that the Whig Ascendancy couldn't, ironically, tolerate.

1 December 2009 at 14:47  
Anonymous ThomasPaine said...

"...it has kept the peace in europe for over 60 years, ..."

Uh, no. Europe and America's peace has been courtesy of the sacrifices of the Brits and Americans in WWII. Once you win, the bad guys leave you alone. Thus, the stealth.

Whatever, Gramsci's "long march through the institutions" is over for you.

1 December 2009 at 14:49  
Blogger D. Singh said...

‘May she rest in peace.’?

‘Whatever, Gramsci's "long march through the institutions" is over for you.’?

What is the matter with people? Can’t you see the glory, the adventure, the games of chess and chance across a chequered board of nights and days where men run up the famous thirty-nine steps to chase the enemy agent have just begun!

The Battle for Britain has begun! Remember what Cromwell our Chief of Men once said when recalling the exploits of Gideon: ‘It is not numbers that count but speed and surprise!’

O noble English! That could entertain
With half their forces the full pride of France,
And let another half stand laughing by,
All out of work, and cold for action.

Henry V

1 December 2009 at 15:01  
Anonymous Knighthawk said...

We do not as yet have an Empire of Europa and certainly not an omnipotent Emperor. He is but a mouthpiece for National leaders but then only those with power and influence. I doubt if there is much love lost between them and their weaker brethren. Similarly the citizens are a mixture of cultures and languages, they are unlikely to remain united for long if indeed they ever were. There are economies of 'iron' like Germany and economies of 'clay' like Greece. The EU is a strange beast, a confederation of the weak and the strong. Disunited by a babel of languages. As it evolves it could just as soon disintegrate in ethnic squabbling but of course, evolution is not the only possibility.

What really concerns me about the EU is not the current political class on the gravy train but the organisations they will now establish oligarchically.
Without sufficient democratic accountability, power can be usurped. Supranational structures for social engineering, surveillance, law enforcement, and armed forces have the potential to deliver the entire apparatus of the superstate into the hands of tyranny. If someone like Hitler or Stalin was to materialize, the whole continent could be within his grasp without a shot being fired and Europa would become a terrifying entity of 500 million whose strength and ferocity would make the US and Russia vulnerable. And therein I think lies the real danger.

1 December 2009 at 15:08  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...

All I have to say is "Never publish your battle plans in a book" Only a moron would do this, but I am still very grateful non the less.

1 December 2009 at 15:12  
Anonymous Ted Heath, An English Hero said...

Now we begin our glorious journey into what was arranged 30 years ago- the full integration of Britain into Europe. I think that Heath was certainly a great visionary; perhaps the EU might consider a fund with which to build a statue of Edward Heath and put it outside Parliament (perhaps replace it with Cromwell's statue?)

I just cannot think how dreadful our situation would be if we didn't have the EU; Britain alone is not listened to, but the Chinese and the Russians, even the US have to listen to Europe's collective will. Also, we depend upon Europe for trade, how would we cope if we left the EU and had to face tariff barriers? It makes no sense to be out of the EU. The only thing left to do is to join the Euro. It is the only way of continuing and surviving in the world.

1 December 2009 at 15:19  
Anonymous Ted Heath, An English Hero said...

I did of course mean a statue of Heath should replace the tyrannt Cromwell's statue.

1 December 2009 at 15:21  
Blogger Gnostic said...

I'm with D Singh and Old Grumpy on this. There is no way on earth I'm going to surrender or accept this crap. We have a get out clause. At this moment I'm prepared to vote for anyone with the Eds to use it. At the moment that will be UKIP unless the Big Three manage to bankrupt it over a piddling "technicality" they are all guilty of themselves.

1 December 2009 at 15:21  
Anonymous IanCad said...

I believe it was Thomas Hardy who said 'War makes rattling good history; but Peace is poor reading' The scene is set for some good history. Is there a big black book of the names of all the traitors who have betrayed our country? There is no statute of limitions for treason. Let us not forget. Let them know we have not forgotten. It is too late for the likes of Ted Heath 'Man of Principle' but his breed leech on. Write down their names in big red letters.

1 December 2009 at 15:27  
Blogger D. Singh said...

‘All I have to say is "Never publish your battle plans in a book" Only a moron would do this, but I am still very grateful non the less.’

Our battle plan is simple and will prove to be effective:

1. trust and obey Jesus for there is no other way;
2. select and target the enemy through prayer – Christians around the world who come to this blog-site know we are in the ‘Empire of the Beast’. There are platoons of Christians praying for this nation; there are regiments of prayer warriors: there are divisions all over the world.
3. We might become ‘the luckiest Joes’ in Europe – a hung parliament – a civil war in the Conservative party – and the Man who will rule this nation with a rod of iron – Bravo Victor!

1 December 2009 at 15:36  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Or...

Just shoot the buggers.

1 December 2009 at 15:40  
Anonymous Stuart said...

Isn’t funny how this ’special occasion’ has hardly merited a murmur in the mainstream media?

1 December 2009 at 15:42  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...

--Let us look each other in the face. We are Hyperboreans--we know well enough how remote our place is. "Neither by land nor by water will you find the road to the Hyperboreans": even Pindar1,in his day, knew that much about us. Beyond the North, beyond the ice, beyond death--our life, our happiness...We have discovered that happiness; we know the way; we got our knowledge of it from thousands of years in the labyrinth. Who else has found it?--The man of today?--"I don't know either the way out or the way in; I am whatever doesn't know either the way out or the way in"--so sighs the man of today...This is the sort of modernity that made us ill,--we sickened on lazy peace, cowardly compromise, the whole virtuous dirtiness of the modern Yea and Nay. This tolerance and largeur of the heart that "forgives" everything because it "understands" everything is a sirocco to us. Rather live amid the ice than among modern virtues and other such south-winds! . . . We were brave enough; we spared neither ourselves nor others; but we were a long time finding out where to direct our courage. We grew dismal; they called us fatalists. Our fate--it was the fulness, the tension, the storing up of powers. We thirsted for the lightnings and great deeds; we kept as far as possible from the happiness of the weakling, from "resignation" . . . There was thunder in our air; nature, as we embodied it, became overcast--for we had not yet found the way. The formula of our happiness: a Yea, a Nay, a straight line, a goal...

THE ANTICHRIST

by Friedrich Nietzsche
Published 1895

translation by H.L. Mencken
Published 1920

1 December 2009 at 15:46  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

D.Singh, I am grateful for the clarification on the old EEC. So if the new 'treaty' abolishes this, what people voted for, then the logic is that we should have had a new referendum on whether or not to stay in or out of the EU? Clearly New Labour did not want to face the people - Brown, I think, would rather make himself Lord Protector than ever have to put himself up to the scrutiny of the British people.

As for Edward Heath, English hero, I think you are taken in by the myth that Britain cannot survive on her own. Of course she can. The trade deficit we have is only with Europe – our trade with the rest of the world is in surplus and it is this deficit, which we have to close. In fact it is the other nations of Europe who are benefiting from our membership. Merkel might insist she won't change the export driven nature of the Germany economy or gloat about Britain's current banking problems, but for every exporter you require an importer. If we were a bit tougher, the Germans would have to think twice about their Wirtschaftswunder. How would Deutschland like it we stopped buying their BMWs?

1 December 2009 at 15:47  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

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1 December 2009 at 15:47  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Lord Lavendon

From a constitutional stand-point: yes.

Under the Treaty Scottish oil and gas is no longer Scottish: energy is an EU competence.

The threat is that Russia may cut off oil and gas to the EU - in such a case former Scottish oil and gas will have to be redirected to mainland Europe.

1 December 2009 at 15:52  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

D.Singh, yet another reason why we should get out of the EU, keep our oil and gas and sign a friendship treaty with Russia, so we can secure supplies of energy, whilst we rebuild our own reserves up. If the EU want to fight with Russia or get their gas supplies cut off that's their affair. I no longer care about the EU, if they think they are so wonderful let them do what they will. But for goodness sake keep us out of it !

1 December 2009 at 16:04  
Anonymous French Socialist said...

Ainsi le duc de Lavendon plutôt confortable jusqu'à Putin et à l'ours russe, que l'UE démocratique ? Je ne peux pas croire comment le bas la droite doit commencer à soutenir des régimes autoritaires, bien qu'ils toute la pensée Thatcher aient été merveilleux !

1 December 2009 at 16:10  
Anonymous Zach Johnstone said...

This is a day that I shall remember for the rest of my life, for it is the beginning of my crusade.

So long as I am involved in politics (and I intend to be for a very, very long time), I will argue the case for secession at every turn.

I will make sure the next generation know what a hideous abuse of popular sovereignty this truly was, even if history chooses not to depict it in all its immorality.

1 December 2009 at 16:21  
Anonymous Deutschland zuerst said...

Herzog von Lavendon, englischer Schweinhund, sind Sie falsch. Deutschland erfordert nicht England.

1 December 2009 at 16:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

D. Singh:

God bless you. You have the right attitude.

1 December 2009 at 16:25  
Anonymous no nonny said...

We need a leader who will stand up and tell the bastards to get out of Britain. I agree with John Wrake.

Those vile euros are illusionists, whose trick is to convince us that we've agreed: and we haven't. We never were told what they were up to: when we looked as if we understood, they derided us as 'conspiracy theorists.' Well, now the theory is proved as fact.

They are here illegally - like any other invader. We don't have to accept their jurisdiction just because they say so. But we do have to fight for our freedom- as we always have against invaders. Surely that's why they're still not proclaiming 'victory' - because, in their own lingo, that would 'incite' a reaction.

As I've said before: nothing on this earth will make me a european. I will do everything I can to remove them from our country. I loathe and despise everything they stand for.

1 December 2009 at 16:30  
Anonymous Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg said...

Der Lord von lavendon beleidigt Deutschland! Wir sollten Sie vor Europäischem Gerichtshof von Gerechtigkeit für Menschenrechte verarbeiten! Ein Europa, ein großes Deutschland! Im Anschluss für Ewigkeit!

1 December 2009 at 16:35  
Anonymous New Jersey Tory said...

As a Yank,one who can trace back to the reign of Charles I, King and Martyr,it may be arrogant of me to pontificate on English history. On the other hand, it is, in a deep sense, my ancestral history too.


The Revolution of the 1540's, in which Cranmer played the role later assigned to Cromwell, was surely a deeper and more traumatic rearrangement of Marvel's 'great work of time' than even that of the 1640's, let alone the Glorious one.

The closing of the monasteries and the distribution of the wealth and lands thereof to a new layer of nobility thereby beholden to Henry and his heirs for their power and status, effectively neutered the Church as a power rivaling and potentially countervailing the power of the state.

The Tory, as well as the libertarian, can surely appreciate the cultural disaster of the English Reformation.

No Whiggery!

1 December 2009 at 16:39  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Hmm. The site says my post's been accepted and 10 minutes later nothing appears.

????

Just testing. I'll try again in a bit.

1 December 2009 at 16:43  
Anonymous no nonny said...

New Jersey Tory: you've been through the Frankfurt School of distortion and disinformation, I see. Which works well for the RC's, as we frequently observe.

P.S.I see the delay on the site is only that. Perhaps it's the unprecedented problem of multiple foreign language posts. Thank goodness I can't understand them!!!

1 December 2009 at 16:47  
Anonymous Großbritannien und Deutschland ist Freunde said...

Danken Sie Gott, den Herr Tony von Blair nicht der Europa-Führer wurde! Wir forderten einen guten Führer, der nicht Teil des ungültigen Krieges war.

1 December 2009 at 16:48  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

No Nonny, allow me to paraphrase for you (leaving out the insults etc).

Deutschland zuerst thinks that Germany does not need England.

Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg says I insult Germany and I should be taken the ECJ.

The French socialist is basically criticising me for saying I would rather make a treaty with Russia, than be part of the EU.

And Großbritannien und Deutschland ist Freunde is saying thank God Europe didn't elect Tony Blair as EU President as he took Britain into an illegal war.

PS- to the pro- Europeans, just because I am anti-EU, does not make me capable of understanding or appreciating European culture or language. I simply do not want a foreign power dictating and poking its nose in where it is neither required nor wanted.

1 December 2009 at 17:02  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Lord Lavendon

Issues are grave.

If Britain does not share its oil and gas with the EU - the EU through the Union of the Med (EU holds jont-presidency) may support Turkey in an attack on the Middle-East to secure energy supplies.

1 December 2009 at 17:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

D.Singh- what's your answer then?

1 December 2009 at 17:09  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Well perhaps we could give them the sam message as General McAuliffe at the battle of the Bastogne when he was asked to surrender, his reply to the German surender demand was: 'Nuts!'

1 December 2009 at 17:10  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Anon

If D. Singh says withdraw then he will be accused of triggering Armageddon.

If D. Singh says stay in - he will be, rightly, accused of pandering to the Empire of the Beast.

My duty and loyalty are to this country first.

1 December 2009 at 17:14  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

D.Singh, I trust you will allow me to disagree with this analysis, as follows:

The EU simply does not have the military capability to launch a full-scale assault on the middle east. The only power that is capable of doing so (given her vast supply of Aircraft carriers and large standing army) is the United States of America.

If one actually looks at the EU, the only military powers of note are the British and the French. Now I am uncertain of the French position, but were they not the ringleaders who opposed the UK/US incursion into Iraq? That leaves Britain. Now thanks to 12 years of neglect the British army can barely hold its own in Afghanistan and quite frankly there would not be the political will in Britain (even if she had the required military strength to do so). So I cannot see this happening.

If you suggest the invasion of the middle east is to be done via Turkey and Turkey somehow agrees to this (look how Turkey was reluctant to give her close ally the US access to her borders during the second gulf war), the military would find their supply lines stretched by incursions by the PKK.

That would leave a sea borne invasion. But again the only European powers with Aircraft Carriers are the UK and France- and they are about 5 or 6 between them(doesn't the US have about or over 15?).

So I just cannot see this happening- at least not in the next decade. Of course if Germany were to start a military build-up, well that would be a different matter.

1 December 2009 at 17:22  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Lord Lavendon

Turkey has realigned itself.

The first war, will be fought as a proxy war by ten 'local nations' in the Middle-East.

Britain and the US - whether we like it or not will be together.

1 December 2009 at 17:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Father speaks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHtW9syGw68

1 December 2009 at 17:32  
Blogger D. Singh said...

It is the EU that will support those ten 'local nations' - and when they are exhausted - the 'superpowers' will step in.

I am convinced that Britain will leave the EU.

1 December 2009 at 17:33  
Blogger D. Singh said...

This year, Turkey has held joint-naval exercises with Syria.

The local 'ten nation' war will be a war of five nations versus five nations.

It is a Sunni v. Sh'ia war.

The prize is Jerusalem. The EU will (and this is instinct) have Jerusalem in return from Arab states: oil and gas.

1 December 2009 at 17:38  
Blogger Malthebof said...

A constitutional point, has our monarch failed us? For does she not have to sign all acts of parliament and has she broken her coronation oath?
As my late mother used to say 'I am only asking because I want to know'

1 December 2009 at 17:42  
Anonymous Paul Barras II said...

D.Singh, His Grace is more tolerant than I, whilst you are free to have your views, I for one just do not understand your claptrap nor do I appreciate you flooding this blog with irrelevant quotes from Revelation and Daniel. Why must everything you say come down to some warped view of one book of the Bible? Why are you incapable of responding to any debate in a rational manner? Why is it that anyone who disagrees with your worldview is automatically a socialist or a national socialist? Why can't you just grow up and behalf like the intelligent man his grace suggests you are. I for one just do not believe you are Oxonian physicists - more like a religious fundamentalist who is out of his depth in the real world.

1 December 2009 at 17:42  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Thank you, Your Lordship! I'm sorry they were so unpleasant to you; but, as a traditional response would suggest - we can't expect them know any better, can we?

Just off to the library to check on Historia Augusta 5.2 - the bit about (I think) 'Britani teneri sub Romani dicione non poterant.' Plus context.

1 December 2009 at 17:46  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Paul Barras II

I refer you to my earlier posts.

This is a site where religion and politics are discussed. I think the difficulty you secularists have is that you are excluded from some lines of inquiry beacuse of your lack of knowledge regarding the Bible.

You could remedy that want of knowledge.

1 December 2009 at 17:47  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Thank you, as ever, D. Singh - for all the good sense and information you post.

1 December 2009 at 17:49  
Anonymous Paul Barras II said...

D.Singh, I am actually a Christian, but not one who holds your views on this one. You say I should spend time reading the Bible, but you, my friend, should be doing the same and learn not to take matters out of context or seek to fit your theories around the Bible. That is the dangerous cycle you are in now.

1 December 2009 at 17:53  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Paul Barras II

I would be delighted to be proved wrong by the events which are shortly to follow.

For I have much to lose.

1 December 2009 at 17:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul BarrasII & Lord Lavendon, just don't even try to hold a conversation with Singh. He is just off his rocker. The best thing you can do is to ignore his wild rants. Then he goes away and we can continue the intelligent and erudite discussions his grace likes.

1 December 2009 at 17:57  
Anonymous Paul Barras II said...

I am sorry for you then, that you actually look forward to the end of the world. Perhaps enjoying life, might be the better thing to do?

1 December 2009 at 17:58  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Paul Barras II

The events that are to follow are not 'the end of the world'.

1 December 2009 at 18:00  
Anonymous Jim Bucker said...

D.Singh, please do go on, if not the end of the world they are?

1 December 2009 at 18:06  
Anonymous One Homogenous European Soup of Islamic Paedophiles said...

Humpty Dumty sat on the wall
Humpty Dumty had a great fall
All the King's horses and all the King's men
Said that was easy let's do it again.

1 December 2009 at 18:08  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Dearly beloved,

His Grace would like to remind communicants that this thread is not about the end of the world, but the Treaty of Lisbon. Though he fully understands how the two may be conflated and confused.

1 December 2009 at 18:11  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Jim Bucker

All I will say for now is that when the events start and are completed 'men will be scarce upon the earth'.

For now let me enjoy Mr Paul Barras II engage in this amphitheater.

1 December 2009 at 18:12  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Paul Barras II

Sir,

The floor is yours.

1 December 2009 at 18:14  
Anonymous Paul Barras II said...

D.Singh, I take note of what his Grace says and therefore will not seek to continue with the discussion of the 'end of the world' etc.

In respect of his Grace's post, yes, it is a sad day, the day in which England perished. Not by force, but by the surrender of the british political elite. Heaven help us now.

1 December 2009 at 18:20  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Outstanding!

1 December 2009 at 18:28  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

@ Ted Heath, an ********** (well, I can't bring myself to complete the name)

I fear, Your Grace, the gentleman, by accident or design, has fallen for the oft repeated mantra about us "not being able to survive outside the eu"... a delusion fostered, of course, by the eu itself over the past 30 years of meddling.

As has been pointed out correctly about, this is claptrap. With our huge trade imbalance in the eu's favour, Germany et al will be falling over themselves to negotiate trade agreements with an independent UK after we leave the eu.

And to address the point about "being listened to," how much are we listened to INSIDE the eu? Apart from nothing, of course. Can an pro-eu person offer a single case where UK influence has been felt in any meaningful way? I can't. Any important decisions are cooked up bilaterally between France and Germany, same as they were last week with the noo eu pressie.

So here's for an immediate exit from the eu and membership of NAFTA (free, as I have already pointed out, no fees, no taxes, and no loss of sovereignty.)

One final thought. Why ever would we want to join the euro? Then, when our economy falls to pieces next year (as is predicted when the IMF arrives and tells us we're broke) we wouldn't be able to devalue.

Now that really would put rioting on the streets...unless that's the game plan, of course. One never knows with federalists, strange creatures, some of them

PS anyone know where E Heath (traitor) is buried? I'd like to take a trip down there and chuck some salt on it.....

1 December 2009 at 18:32  
Anonymous Ted Heath, an English Hero said...

Old Grumpy,

A Brition was chosen as the first European Foreign Minister - does that not tell you something about our importance in the EU?

1 December 2009 at 18:50  
Anonymous Dobryden said...

Today must be particularly galling for the 'Bish'as he wrote a book warning about the dangers of the EU in about 1997 and nobody in the professing church seems to have taken a blind bit of notice.
By the way, I wish people would stop, and you'd stop people, addressing you as 'Your Grace', as it makes the whole blog look like a refuge for 'nutters' instead of actually being the enclave of the sane.

1 December 2009 at 18:59  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Old Grumpy, I could not have said it better myself. I would add a NAFTA plus a Commonwealth Free Trade Zone (CFTZ) is the way we should go. Also agree membership of the Euro would crush the British economy, like one of those BBC documentaries when they go into the depths of the sea and a plastic cup is reduced to almost nothing. Look at Ireland or Greece, if the Euro traitors don’t believe me .

For information- Ted Heath is buried in Salisbury Cathedral (although I wouldn't advocate desecrating a grave or anything such as that).

1 December 2009 at 19:00  
Anonymous Philster said...

Relax, everybody. By the time the EU bureaucrats have enough influence to exert control on you, you'll be a part of the Ummah. Like the imam said, Buckingham Palace will make for a swell mosque.

1 December 2009 at 19:15  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace

Do you have any ideas about the thinking of the Governor of our Church in this matter? Has our Sovereign Lady Elizabeth given you any indication of the advice given to her by the first Lord of the Treasury? I'm inclined to believe that von Braun would have lied through his teeth in explaining the implications of the Treaty of Lisbon to HM Queen.

The only good thing about the EU at present is that the Franco-German axis will not permit the accession of Turkey. Allowing Erdogan to smuggle 70 million Muslims in to Europe would be a disaster.

1 December 2009 at 19:48  
Blogger Preacher said...

Ted Heath etc.
The choice, of EU Foreign Minister tells me nothing about our so called importance in Europe, but it tells me masses about the scams, stitch ups & deals done in the dark by these unscrupulous, treacherous toads.
(apologies to Toads)

1 December 2009 at 21:12  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

D.Singh, my apologises, I think that I speak in terms of the here and now, whereas you speak prophetically about what is to come. Therefore, there is no difference between us .

1 December 2009 at 21:50  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...

The Anti Christ is pleased with the results for the new leader of Welsh Labour. Everything is going according to plan. We do so love those who can bury their heads deep into the sands of stupidity, and this new specimen seems to be especially adept.

"I am proud to be Welsh, I'm proud to be British, and I'm proud to be Labour."

On this the first day of our European status, Jones has no fathom to measure about the fact that he is no longer any of the above. If Labour loses the next UK general election, Jones will become the most powerful elected Labour figure in Britain - but he will do as he is told to do, and that is all it means.

Congratulations good Jones of Bridgend - you have a secure reservation down here sir.

1 December 2009 at 21:53  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Your Grace, the time is coming in which Britain will, for her own salvation need to declare her freedom from the EU. I can think of no better document, ironically, that the USA declaration of Indepdence from our country in 1776. Having read this, it rings true today some 200 years later.

Britain needs her own declaration of indepdence from the EU!

1 December 2009 at 22:28  
Anonymous no nonny said...

My computer news tells me the b***s have had themselves a slap-up do down over the Tagus. Fireworks and all.

Cowards.

I trust anything here has been in their tradition of 'undercover.'

1 December 2009 at 22:52  
Anonymous not a machine said...

your graces post 18:11 brought a wry smile to my other wise sad day .

they can put all the choreographed fireworks in the sky to ode to joy for all they like , The lisbon treaty is a fraud , a deciet and a sham , that is already written in our United Kingdoms story .

The wiles of this monstrous fraud are not done yet , the polyfilla is allready being mixed being paid for by us , we must not dwell on the continuing losses , but look forward to good tools being placed in honest pro British hands once more. Nor must we be led to belive it is a waining minority interest dream to live under our own laws and government once more.

It has gained power by deception , knave trickery , as we shall find out , the EU does not carry much of an ode to joy , infact it will be more akin to the odour of slavery .

It will remain that it was not put to the will of the people to give up there country lock stock and barrel for increase in taxation , our new lords are more feudal than federal , I do have faith that we will fight for a better quality of democracy that respects our traditional freedoms and customs for this shallow ecnomic vanity.

2 December 2009 at 00:11  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is still a vote to be had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfLTWITNc9Y

2 December 2009 at 01:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re British soveriegnty pt1
I think the British public needs to know about the manipulation & wrecking of British sovereignty & its ability to be independent.
For example, the enmeshing (vs. independent cooperation) of organisations from police(through i.a. plans to train 1/3 of police in European whatever) to local & other government to commerce with Europe.The regions, interregions, the building of an eu spy state (with the US) through INDECT etc. (do the US & other countries want their sovereignty reduced - I would not wish reductions of sovereignty on anyone without their informed consent?), manipulation of local & national life (including the economic) with informed public consent about the short or long-term implications through EU funding mechanisms, even tansport - funds for inter-eu rail routes, but what about routes which help British families & employees & those looking for work, which should be affordable and available? Even weather partly in EU regionalised. Is the Royal Mint being reduced to reduce the national government's ability to manage sterling & the economy, to sneak in the Euro & reduce the ability of the public & government to manage the British ecomomy & help the British thrive(how convenient for the malign that obviously bad debt & instruments ammassed unnoticed when they should not have, & that Britain's spending & debts are too high)? Likewise reducing British industry, attacks on the City of London, masses of regulations etc which make it hard for people & businesses including insurance of all sizes & walks in life to be as self-sufficient & self-determining as possible. Re the sowing of divisions including some encouraging of nationalism (though every Briton deserves to be treated well, regardless of country): do the Welsh & Scots & Irish not realise that when those who favour an abusive EU superstate(including those British working as stealth EU-enforcers) have broken up Britain (thus reducing the power of each British country) & used them, such people will pounce on them too.
The secret manipulation, bribing with gifts, divide and rule, lack of tansparency & accountability, the EU census & tax (& audit & spy)plans: this is democratic behaviour. How many Brits (& others) know about the EU census or those in UN countries in 2010/1 or their purposes/potential abuse? Likewise the British government's latest demand that civil servants serve the State not the sovereign Queen & its implaications. In whose interests is it for i.a. Britain to not make aluminium (for defence), make cars, have engineers including those who can work on nuclear energy, not have sufficient manufacturing base & thus unnecessarily depend on others, including the EU; likewise we should be concerned about the level of genuine ie local British food and water & energy security amongst other things; the layers of government including those imposed without local knowlege or accountability which promote decisions with EU countries& super-EU agendas while local decision-making is dummed down. Also, the sudden regulation & attack on the City, and just when speculation & carbon trading will apear (?elsewhere). Likewise attacks on the isle of Man and other terriroties. Why now? If the EU is against laudering, then why have their accounts failed year after year - money in, failed audits,lack of tranparentcy of a public institution, money out without transparency - could not that be a form of laudering? Also have the British defence & security industries & professions been attacked?
Charming abusers are charming - by stealth. Their fangs, their domination comes out fully only once they have separated their target from friends & gained control. Should British counties coordinate with their neighbouring counties, rather than the emphasis being on the EU & supranational (by stealth)?
I am not against Europe or European people, or trading or cooperating with them or other countries

2 December 2009 at 02:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pt2 or trading or cooperating with them/other countries/dealing with supranational institutions. But it should not be at the expense of democracy or freedom. Power tends to corrupt so supranational government beyond the true influence of the voter is dangerous, regardless of source. I dislike the behaviour of those who manipulatively & stealthily gain power and abuse it, whether individuls, companies or countries or states. Abuse of power harms and wrecks individuals, families, communities & nations which God created. He loves people. It deprives them of a healthy level of control over their lives. I do not think that the EU believes in human rights as much as it states. Look at its tratment of vagrants, those with mental helth problems or those who are against the ecomonic or political "well-being" of the EU, a subjective issue. We make the mistake of forgetting that Hitler and some other tyrants often had charm - they seduced the population before terrorising them. Sadly there are also some idealisitic and innocents who are being used by those who would amass power for themselves - for power, financial enrichment, glory or other issues. Sadly such people have been patient - they (like a charming seducer) didn't listen to the "no" of some countries.

2 December 2009 at 03:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

re British soverignty - pt3 final part of my traditionally British style rant (my opionion only)
That alone shows their true colours. I hope that the British & other Europeans will see reality before it is to late. Likewise re abuse of "climate change"& genuine green issues by Defra & the environmant agencies, the EU & countries(of all income levels). Do some who have influenced Defra & environmental agencies for years work for the EU or other agendas or the British public? Are they using such agencies to increase power of state over people incl. (ia bin) spying?Ditto total place, total project & interregional bodies etc. What are the true motives & costs & effects of splitting the BBC & civil service across regions or away from where they are now? Should we analyse each move of government & the EU (& other parties) re its affect on British social & ecomonic cohesion & self-determination (short & long-term)? I see some divide & rule & harming the British ecomony/self-rule & increasing its dependancy on the EU & outside including EU diplomats/joint negotiation vs negotiation by British & other European countries; also the in restrospect(without true informed public consent) bringing into the UK legal system EU style law/ prosecution warping the traditional flavour /types/numbers of British Laws & justice(i.a. RIPA, POCA & tools which do not presume innocent until proven guilty or which allow govt unprecented access to home or business or person, even outside genuine emergencies, & which also blur distinctions between judicial & other functions like police or egg marketing,& more subserviance to supra-national law & reduction of traditional British rights i.a. the Magna Carta; also, in effect, bribing people & communitees, while fostering agendas & an economy which aids EU/others' agendas not British ones.The EU (& others)can't democratically demand any person act against their consicence,to harm themself or another whether British or not. Any person with an adequate conscience,Christian or not,will not do that willingly. I hope that people including leaders(including those who may have been used by those with evil agendas)will remember i.a. the abuse of power by Nazis & others. We're all decieved sometimes. Better to do the right thing even if one has been used. Guilt or shame is an alarm bell to help people i.a. to decide to do the right thing when on a wrong path. (As a Christian I hope it also leads them to God for forgiveness). There are also threats from other countries to sovereignty in Britain &elsewhere. I hope those governing will make good decisions in honourable & accountable ways & that tricks & abuse of power will decrease, & the bad reversed. The British deserve better. I hope the social engineering stops incl.enforced EU flags & demotion of British culture,traditions & institutions- it's undemocratic & manipulative, creating a fake veneer of cohesion while reducing long-term wellbeing & cohesion of Britain. Mass migration is not bad including for already settled immigrants, let alone as a destabilising tool by any manipulators. 61% of the British looked forward to a magical Chrsitmas yet some councils activelt fight Christmas. Relate wants to force a man to act against his conscience yet no relationship thrives if a party forces(or tries to, including by stealth) another to act against their conscience, which is wrong for anyone, Chrstian or not. If the EU(incl.its British enforcers) truly is interested in democracy, then it might consider that.
May God have mercy on us all,help us to forgive those who've done wrong & pray & be discerning & do right before our Lord Jesus, and also help those who govern to do right & not wrong and to not be used to do wrong.

2 December 2009 at 03:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re British soveriegnty pt1 REPOST DUE TO ERRORS I think the British public needs to know about the manipulation & wrecking of British sovereignty & its ability to be independent: incl.the enmeshing (vs. independent cooperation) of organisations from police(through i.a. plans for European training 1/3 of police) to local & other government to commerce with the EU.The regions, interregions, the building of an eu spy state(with the US)through INDECT etc.(do the US & other countries want their sovereignty reduced-I wouldn't wish reduced sovereignty on anyone without their informed consent?), manipulation of local & national including economic life without informed public consent about short or long-term implications including through British government & EU funding tools, incl.transport(funds for inter-eu rail routes compared to funding helping for routes British families/employees & unemployed looking for work), which should be affordable and available? Even weather service & other science is partly is EU regionalised & determined. Is the Royal Mint being reduced to reduce the national government's ability to manage sterling & the economy, to force in the Euro & reduce the ability of the public & government to manage the British ecomomy & help the British thrive(how convenient for the malign that obviously bad debt & instruments ammassed unnoticed when they should not have, & that Britain's spending & debts are too high)? Likewise reducing British industry, attacks on the City of London, masses of regulations etc which make it hard for people & businesses including insurance of all sizes & walks in life to be as self-sufficient & self-determining as possible. Re the sowing of divisions including some encouraging of nationalism (though every Briton deserves to be treated well, regardless of country): do the Welsh & Scots & Irish not realise that when those who favour an abusive EU superstate(including those British working as stealth EU-enforcers) have broken up Britain (thus reducing the power of each British country) & used them, such people will pounce on them too? The secret manipulation, enticing via gifts, divide and rule,lack of tansparency & accountability, the EU census & tax (& audit & spy)plans: this is NOT democratic behaviour.How many Brits(& others) know about the EU census or those in UN countries in 2010/1 or their purposes/potential abuse? Likewise the British government's latest demand that civil servants serve the State not the sovereign Queen & its implications. In whose interests is it for i.a. Britain to not make aluminium(for i.a. defence),make cars, have engineers including those who can work on nuclear energy,not have sufficient manufacturing base & thus unnecessarily depend on others, including the EU;who is deciding what Britain can/cannot do in future without informed public consent?Likewise we should be concerned about the level of genuine ie local British food and water & energy security amongst other things; layers of government including those imposed without local knowlege or accountability which promote EU agendas while local& national decision-making is dummed down & their agendas demoted.Also, the attack on the City (?just when speculation re carbon trading will appear (?elsewhere?), & on the isle of Man & other territoties & rapid and broad and unwise changing of and meddling with the British constitution which brings instability & other consequences. Are those who have done that all-wise? Has it not been like an earthquake causing upheaval? Why now? If the EU is against laundering, why have their accounts failed year after year, money in, failed audits,lack of tranparency of a public institution, money out without transparency:?

2 December 2009 at 05:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RE BRITISH SOVERIGNTY PT3 CORRECTED - (HOPEFULLY) END OF MY TRADITIONALLY BRITISH RANT
We're all decieved sometimes. Better to do the right thing even if one has been used. Guilt or shame is an alarm bell to help people i.a. to decide to do the right thing when on a wrong path. (As a Christian I hope it also leads them to God for forgiveness). There are also threats from other countries to sovereignty in Britain &elsewhere. I hope those governing will make good decisions in honourable & accountable ways & that tricks & abuse of power will decrease, & the bad reversed. The British deserve better. I hope the social engineering stops incl.enforced EU flags & demotion of British culture,traditions & institutions- it's undemocratic & manipulative, creating a fake veneer of cohesion while reducing long-term wellbeing & cohesion of Britain. Mass migration is bad including for already settled immigrants, let alone as a destabilising tool by any manipulators. 61% of the British looked forward to a magical Christmas yet some councils active fight Christmas celebration even where the public wants it "for equality reasons". Relate wants to force a man to act against his conscience yet no relationship thrives if a party forces(or tries to, including by stealth) another to act against their conscience, which is unhealthy & wrong for anyone, Chrstian or not. If the EU(incl.its British enforcers) truly is interested in democracy, then it might consider that.
May God have mercy on us all,help us to forgive those who've done wrong & pray & be discerning & do right before our Lord Jesus, and also help those who govern to do right & not wrong and to not be used to do wrong. As a non-expert layperson I am thankful for those individuals who have spoken up including experts in different areas who truly have the well-being of the British at heart. The Guardian links is one good starting point re liberty on its liberty page even though it hasn't always warned about the EU as well as the Telegraph & Mail. And there are many good sources. Please could the knowledgeable and influential speak up(& continue to do so where they do) so the British can choose their future. Where there are issues affecting Britain & sovereignty, analyses which pinpoint the source of laws and schemes & funding (& their restrictions) and consequences including multiple sources - help. Please could we all support those who risk by saying or doing the right thing. We don't realise what we've lost until it is gone. For example the freedom of children to play or parents to bring up their children as they think best and with privacy for them and their children or for villages to have fetes easily with home-made produce or the difficulties of someone starting a business or finding a job including the unemployed or people practicing Christianity (and generally living, Chrstian or not)or without state interference and intrusion.

2 December 2009 at 05:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RE BRITISH SOVEREIGNTY CORRECTEPT2
Have British defence/security industries & professions been reduced/changed by stealth?Also transport & energy? Are rail, public & private transport routes & services being funded/subsidised for EU agenda routes vs those needed/wanted socially/for work / job-hunting by the British? Why can't the British government subsidise what the British want if the EU can subsidise its agenda? Likewise Royal Mail & postoffices. Dictators work by stealth & their power appears fully only once they've made the target dependent, isolated from friends & family & in the abusers' control. Should British counties work with adjacent & national counties rather than increasingly with EU/supranational incl eu regions? I'm for Europeans & cooperation with them & other countries including trade & supranational institutions but not at the expense of democracy& sovereignty. Power tends to corrupt so any supranational govt (like any bad national/local govt)beyond the realistic influence of & accountability to the voter is dangerous. I dislike the behaviour of those who manipulatively & stealthily gain power & abuse it, whether in society, business, nations or supranationally. Abuse of power harms people, families, businesses, communities & nations. It deprives them of a healthy level of control over their lives. I don't think the EU or European human rights laws actually care for human rights as much as they claim. Look at the potential mistreatment of the homeless/those with mental health problems or those who are "against" (subjective) the EU's economy or security. We forget that Hitler had charisma seducing puplulations before controlling them "for their own good". There are idealists who are being used by those who would amass power for i.a. power,money, glory. Tyrants are patient & don't listen to the "no" of some countries hinting at their true characte self. I hope the British will see reality before its too late.Likewise re abuse of "climate change" as well as genuine green issues by Defra & environmantal agencies, the EU & countries(all income levels). Do some who have influenced Defra & environmental agencies for years work for the EU/other agendas or the for the British public? Are they using such agencies to increase "state" power over people incl.(ia bin) spying?Ditto total place,total project,interregional bodies etc. What are the true motives & costs & effects of splitting the BBC & civil service across regions or away from where they are now? Should we analyse each government/supranational(EU & other)move re its effect on British social & ecomonic cohesion & self-determination(short & long-term)? I see some divide & rule & harming the British ecomony/self-rule/increasing its dependancy on the EU & outside including EU diplomats/joint negotiation vs negotiation by soveriegn countries; also the in restrospect without true informed public consent bringing into the UK legal system EU style law/ prosecution warping the traditional style/type numbers of British Laws & justice(i.a. RIPA, POCA & tools which do not presume innocent until proven guilty or allow unprecedented govt access to home , business or person, even outside genuine rare emergencies,& which also blur distinctions between judicial & other functions like police or health & more subserviance to supra-national law & reduction of traditional British rights; also enticing people & communities while fostering hidden agendas & an economy which aids EU/others' agendas not British ones.The EU(& others)can't democratically demand any person act against their conscience to harm themself or another. Those with an adequate conscience won't. I hope people including leaders(& any who've been used by those with evil agendas) will remember abuses of power by Nazis & others.

2 December 2009 at 06:39  
Anonymous not a machine said...

so after all that anon are you in or out of EU concept , pithy replies appreciated

2 December 2009 at 07:26  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

Brilliant news! Over 2,500 visitors yesterday!

This blog is going to be critical in the near future!

2 December 2009 at 07:31  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Malthebof

You asked:

‘A constitutional point, has our monarch failed us? For does she not have to sign all acts of parliament and has she broken her coronation oath?

‘As my late mother used to say 'I am only asking because I want to know'

What would you do if someone killed your daughter-in-law to send a signal to you to sign the Lisbon Treaty?

Before anyone starts jumping up-and-down you would be wise to take note of what the lawyer Geoffrey Robertson Q.C. has said on the matter (I am not at all suggesting that he has said she was killed for that reason).

Her Majesty does not have to sign all Acts of Parliament for as her subjects have a conscience, so has she. However, if she did not sign an Act of Parliament then the jackals in New Labour would howl for her head.

2 December 2009 at 08:17  
Blogger Ingenieur said...

Your Grace,

This morning's reading is taken from the Book of Hansard, October 5th 1938.

"We have sustained a defeat without a war, the consequences of which will travel far with us along our road; they should know that we have passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of Europe has been deranged, and that the terrible words have for the time being been pronounced against the Western democracies.
"Thou are weighed in the balance and found wanting."
And do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time".

2 December 2009 at 09:24  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Singh,

It was over 3000 actually. But this is minuscule compared to the big boys.

2 December 2009 at 10:26  
Blogger Preacher said...

Your Grace.
May I point out that Gideon did a great job in similar circumstances with just 300!.

2 December 2009 at 10:31  
Blogger I am Stan said...

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2 December 2009 at 11:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to Not a Machine said re anon:
I believe in democracy. The treaties & other stuff which have been happening for years have been mostly without the informed consent of the British (or other EC nations). I am against giving up British sovereignty and slow coup d'etats by stealth & manipulation. Those who have (& haven't)done wrong still have the option to change things from the current course - it is not set in stone. They have choices especially if they have the courage & integrity & wisdom to change course where needed with discernment, though it is a complex morass.

2 December 2009 at 11:12  
Blogger I am Stan said...

@ I am not Stan 12:23
You are just an example of the simple minded pricks who have their satisfaction in the X Factor and the soaps on TV, while many more of us do more crying than laughing about the tragedy of it. I often wonder if we are somehow aborting the true inheritors of the Kingdom of Heaven while allowing the dreggs to be born, all the evidence points me to this conclusion. Drowning in a sea/ocean of simple minded pricks.

I shall pray that you find some peace of mind and rediscover some christian charity.

2 December 2009 at 12:10  
Anonymous no nonny said...

I have no idea who the 'big boys' are in comparison to Your Grace - I'm more concerned with quality than quantity. So thank you for this post and the forum overall.

I think it significant, however, that at the 2 other places I visit one also receives maximum response from this issue of sovereignty. The other concentrates on red herrings, apparently joining its masters in denying that the issue is of any interest to the British electorate - except for the mad few who complain daily at being ignored!!

2 December 2009 at 16:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For decades people from the UK have asked me the same question over and over again:

"Why do you Yanks distrust government so much?"

Well, you're about to find out why.

3 December 2009 at 02:11  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

Lord Lavendon -

Many thanks for the info about Heath, E's grave.

I'm appalled to learn that it#s in an English cathedral! Perhaps we might dig him up,at a later time, as Cromwell was, although the idea of hanging a corpse does seem rather pointless. Whatever was the CofE thinking?

And certainly no grave desecration.

A very small, fine sprinkling of salt might make the point, though

thanks
OG

3 December 2009 at 18:17  
Anonymous john said...

Today the Lisbon Treaty came into force, and so, in a humble way, I should just like to mark this great occasion by swearing undying enmity to the European Union.

24 March 2010 at 14:48  

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