Wednesday, December 30, 2009

The security call to profile and screen Muslims


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The ignorance displayed by those who are demanding 'separate lines' for Muslims at airports is really quite astonishing. They appear to think that Muslims may be discerned by appearance; that it is straightforward racial profiling; that all Muslims will look like Mohammed Atta - the stereotypical Middle-Eastern type, though he would have made it easier if he'd had a beard in the style of Richard Reid.

Like Christianity (and Atheism), Islam is a missionary faith: it seeks converts irrespective of ethnicity. Conversion requires internalisation of the new belief system, which implies a new reference point for one's self identity and is a matter of belief and social structure — of both faith and affiliation. There are no absolute rules on dress or appearance. Unlike for orthodox Sikhs, the beard is not sacred: Muslims may worship Allah and be faithful to the teachings of Mohammed and still use a Gillette G2 Contour. The Islamist terrorist in our midst can be as anonymous and undiscernible as the paedophile who lives next door. And the more consumed they are by their depravity, the more dedicated they are to their perversion, and the more skilful they become in concealing the stench of corruption that is at their heart.

So let us put aside the childish 'anti-Muslim' backlash, for it is as irrational as tarnishing all Roman Catholics with the depraved thinking of the murderous IRA. But let us at the same time not be afraid to demand that the law of the land be applied to all equally, and that must include Muslims. Women wearing burkas should not be accorded security privileges denied to the rest: where security is concerned, where lives are at risk, there should be no exemptions to the inconveniences which are inherent in the application of the necessary regulations to ensure safety.

Muslims may be black, brown, white or yellow. They may or may not carry a Qur'an or a prayer mat; they may or may not sport a beard. And only a minuscule percentage of British Muslims hold to the 'extremist' Wahhabi or Salafi interpretation of Islam: it is as representative of Islam as the Jehovah's witnesses are of Christianity.

So let us remind ourselves that all religions have their sects and cults, some dangerous, some not; and that what we face is a Branch Davidian sect of Islam which seeks to undermine the peace and security of the Realm. If we have learned anything from the centuries of religious bloodshed which have defined our nation, it must surely be that religious prejudice is spiritually destructive and, ultimately, politically unsustainable.

43 Comments:

Blogger Christian said...

"only a minuscule percentage of British Muslims hold to the 'extremist' Wahhabi or Salafi interpretation of Islam"

AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Dear dear. Dr Cranmer, you could not be more wrong. While I grant that not all Wahhabi and Salafi muslims are terrorists I would like to point out that 2/3 of British mosques are controled by Imams loyal to those schools. The most peaceful type of Islam, Sufi, used to dominate in the 1970's but today only controls just under a third of British moaques.

30 December 2009 at 11:22  
Anonymous Knuckledragger said...

If Sufis are the most peaceful type of Muslim then we really are up the proverbial polluted water-course with no means of propulsion.

You can find out just how peaceful they are in the links under 'Sufis' at http://kwelos.tripod.com/religion_of_peace.htm

30 December 2009 at 11:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Christian' is right - maybe 10% or so of UK Muslims sympathise with Salafi ideals (less than Sinn Fein supporters among Northern Irish Catholics) while many more are reflexively hostile to Israel.
Comparison with the Branch Davidians is crazy - the ATF was more dangerous than they were, and it helped kill them.

30 December 2009 at 12:21  
Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI said...

Can we take it that this is Cranmer paving the way for absolutely no change under Tory misrule then? Or does He get some kind of sadistic pleasure from totally pissing people off by making sweeping statements which fly in the face of common sense?

The Muslims who, by and large, have an axe to grind, a chip on their shoulder, are invariably not David Beckham look-a-likes.

30 December 2009 at 12:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A wise posting, Your Grace. Sensible and law-abiding Muslims in this country-I am sure there are many- should study the horrific impact of the Gunpowder Plot on loyal English Catholics for centuries afterwards.

Edward Sutherland.

30 December 2009 at 12:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think profiling can be a little more sophisticated than merely relying on appearances. The aim is to review what is known about a potential passenger, and to trigger further investigations, including intimate searches, when there is sufficient concern. The downside of course is that more databases and more jobsworths will be created, with all that implies for leaks, losses, and loony misuse.

30 December 2009 at 12:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cranmer, you are totally ignorant of Islam, the issue is the core texts of Islam, not some part of it or what some groups do, those moderate Muslims are peaceful because they chose to be so, until you get that sorted out in your head you will misunderstand the issue.

I have studied Islam since 1997, read the Qu'ran and the ahadiths, worked it back in historical terms, looked deeply at the meaning of various verses and understand abrogation you call me childish..., I think your being childish for making statements akin to racism on people who are an issue because they follow a xenophobic ideology.

And if it was racism why do I look at ex-Muslims as being perhaps the bravest people on the planet.

Get off your uniformed naive wishful thinking high horse and study it.

I think however behaviour profiling is the way to do it...

30 December 2009 at 13:23  
Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI said...

What is actually happening with this level of ignorance is very dangerous. People are all to quick to draw parallels with Nazi Germany when they speak of racism etc, but what is going to eventually happen will be of equal destructive horror. I am barely effected by Islam where I live so it is of no consequence to me at the moment; I enjoy a hideously white Christian existence (such a shame), but all this silly politically correct claptrap will eventually boil over into abject hatred. People will only tolerate so much, they have a natural instinct to look after their kindred, nobody wants to board a plane that has the potential to vaporise their kids, regardless of what their local MP may or may not have to say about political correct equality.

There will come a day of reckoning one day when hatred will surface like a biblical beast rising from a sea of stupidity and ignorance. I don't believe it will happen in my time, but it will surely come. There will of course be an aftermath of condemnation, but this will not detract from the violence that is sure to happen.

Enoch Powell said something similar didn't he, and although the Tiber has not quite run red, the consequences of ignoring him have been somewhat devastating. Well, the devastation is set to get worse while we choose to continue with this nonsense. I am paranoid by nature, so I am at a disadvantage when trying to ignore certain things, but in general, I feel we are having the piss taken out of us on a daily basis. And who can blame them, for it must be of immense fun to watch.

In the mean time, I will continue in my hideously white Christian existence, for I am in no hurry to change it after having a sample taste of what constitutes the alternatives - you are all very welcome to it.

I may have to explain myself when I die and re-materialise on some other plane of existence, but hell, this is a risk I am happy to take.

A toast to hideously white Christian communities where we disagree about some of the most frivolous things, but there are no bombs or strange alien beings to be seen anywhere; plenty of East Europeans, but they are equally civilised by and large!

Happy new year!

There, I said it, and I feel better - I am out of the closet at last. I may never work again! No church will admit me into their doors! But many many more people will loose their precious lives before I lose mine, this I can promise, just switch on you TV next week and I bet your boots some poor naive individual will have succumbed to the permanence of death, but it will not be me. Sorry if that sounds politically incorrect, but it's what constitutes common sense in my weird mind. Darwin would be proud of me I am sure. My genes will live on to reproduce, while the more dafter varieties will succumb to stupidity and it's cruel rewards.

Enjoy your silly games - and I hope your luck pulls you through, we all need a bit of luck also, even common sense is not imune to bad luck.

All of this is ofcourse - God willing! But I am happy with God's decision which ever way it goes. He is the boss after all.

30 December 2009 at 13:30  
Blogger srizals said...

Well said and congruent. But belligerents won't easily be satisfied. Their happiness comes from other's agony. And peace is a hindrance to that. Sadly, the lazy to think unislamic Muslims will keep on tarnishing Islam by being ungrateful to the countries that did no harm to them. The rest, their ignorance is not nearly surprising, at all.

30 December 2009 at 14:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

None of those three are white.

Is this post a joke?

30 December 2009 at 14:24  
Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI said...

srizals

Thank you for confirming the ungratitude that exists. I am belligerant, but I take no happiness from anyones's agony, truly. You also confirm another of my feelings, that is that ignorance is not nearly surprising at all. Islam is ignorance, and therefore it is not surprising to listen to a Muslim.

God speed.

30 December 2009 at 14:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it has to be a joke, he cannot be that ignorant of the core texts of Islam, to swallow that line that it is misunderstanders of Islam is just laughable and dangerously naive...

30 December 2009 at 14:51  
Blogger srizals said...

Point taken, Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI.

But could you enlighten me with the fear that everyone is having right now, of Islam and Muslims. Are there any similarities with the near extinction experiences that Europeans had to endure during the world wars or surviving Vlad the Impaler?

30 December 2009 at 15:20  
Blogger Bellocman said...

Oh dear, your Grace! I've really enjoyed reading your blog since I stumbled across it a couple of months ago. Lots of common sense and an independent Christian spirit, or so I thought until I read your naive post today! I'm very disappointed to see that like many other outwardly 'free thinking' commentators you use the 'racism' card to boost your Dhimmi status.

30 December 2009 at 16:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace,

I have to disagree with the view that problems with the followers of Mohammed are confined to certain minority sects with extreme viewpoints, though it may well be that they furnish the immediate threat to life and limb.

My contacts with Muslim soldiers over a number of years have confirmed to me the core problem facing the Western world vis-a-vis the Muslim faith is that Western values are despised.

Many Muslims contrast the consistent outward practices of their faith with the careless attitude of so-called Christians in the West and the godlessness of atheism and materialism. This leads to an overweening pride which separates the world into Muslims, beloved of Allah, and what the Nazis called untermensch, those barely human, who make up the remainder.

We should not forget that the Muslim faith is a militant faith combined with a political system designed to conquer the world by force, where force is needed.

There is no need of force where the opposition is degenerate, too lazy or too ignorant to oppose, where financial and commercial acumen and political involvement can maintain the advance to domination without bloodshed.

At the heart of the Muslim faith there are not two forms of belief, one peaceful and the other warlike, but there are differing practices to suit different situations.

30 December 2009 at 16:07  
Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI said...

srizals

Well, I am not able to enlighten people, I don't pretend to have the capability, nor do I pretend to speak on others behalf. I can only explain my own views. I feel that my own culture is real, it is something that was totally Islam free when I was younger and enjoying a less stressful existence. This culture then, quite suddenly, almost overnight in perspective to how long it has taken to develop it and grow, was diminished and thrown to the back of the que with respect to respect. I was brought up as a Christian, and in my school days Christianity was taught and it's values and history were imparted to my young mind with a sense of importance that has remained with me to this day. Now, I perceive that there is an agenda to destroy everything which I believe in and have come to love as being my culture, the culture which I identify with, which had very little, if nothing, to do with this new important culture that is afforded priority, namely Islam. It is my perception that the sensibilities of Islam have become more important than the sensibilities of Christians in what they may have considered to be their own Christian country.

Take a peek at this video and try to understand why it would leave me with the above perceptions. Here we have a demonstration, a loud and highly visual one, being protected by the police from any attempt to film it. Why have a demonstration, a highly visual and loud public one if you are afraid of anyone recording it? If not only to simply rub salt in wounds and piss people off? This is my perception, that this demonstration was not to demonstrate but to annoy, intimidate.

Take for example this EDL phenomenon. If I was a member (which I am not) and I asked a policeman to stop someone from filming, what would be the response? If I was a Greenpeace protester and asked a similar request, what would be the response? Only Islam enjoys this level of importance and selective inequality.

So, like I say, I can only speak for myself, but I am confident that I speak for others also. I am belligerently opposed to this selective inequality which is unrepresentatively dished out to an alien religion, what I perceive to be a brutal and barbaric religion that has failed to keep up. If I was afforded any real influence, which is not at all likely, lucky for you and your kind, I would come down harsh, like a ton of hot, pipingly hot bricks, but would do my best to avoid violence if at all possible, especially violence to those of us who do not want this, and who have never been asked such, and who find their kindred folk being slaughtered en masse in order to make it's nonsensical and unworkable claptrap, work!

30 December 2009 at 16:07  
Blogger srizals said...

Thank you for the explanation Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI.

But like all things that existed, there must be point A or a beginning. If I may explain to you, if not accepted, maybe it is worth hearing in understanding things that are spinning around us, almost out of control.

You see, Muslims are actually a peaceful not caring much for someone else's country or affairs. But the West, specifically Great Britain has been meddling with our affairs now and then, not going too far, Iraq is a near example of the West meddling that creates resentment on the Muslim's side.

If you look into history, the West was a dominating imperialist that had done much misery and plundered the wealth of all nations, Muslim nations being the highly prized. Your great country built itself on our blood and wealth, let say if there isn't any tin or iron ore from my homeland to help the lack of resources much needed back then, the industry revolution won't be that revolutionary.

Is anyone being forced to submit to Muslims or Islam perception of the truth, now in your country that had caused all the resentment? As you have your own perception of the truth, so does a Muslim. Differences are unavoidable. Conflict is. Everyone is afraid of Muslim’s domination. In reality, your troops are crusading in Iraq and Afghanistan. Both are Muslim nations. Many Muslims were dead and are dying. Majority of them are unarmed civilians, especially babies. Why not call back your troops and eliminate the reason for Muslims’ resentment. Can’t we coexist?

30 December 2009 at 16:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Try and fly with El Al, they know how to do it, follow their example.

30 December 2009 at 17:11  
Anonymous Ginro said...

Anonymous said - "There is no need of force where the opposition is degenerate, too lazy or too ignorant to oppose..."

In my experience, unfortunately, that pretty much sums up a huge amount of the UK population then.

30 December 2009 at 17:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was a beginning, it was when your Prophet Mohammed sent a letter to the Byzantium Emperor and the Persian Emperor telling them to accept Islam, submit to his will or die, as The Byzantium Emperor was the only known head of Christianity to Mohammed that was the start of it.

Muslims are not peaceful, but I do agree with you that you do not care for someone else's country or affairs, if their non-Muslims you do not care about them at all, you only care as much as you can attack them take them over and make them submit to Islam. During your first and greatest period of expansion which was only stopped by Charles Martel at Poitiers you did not care about the people you raided, killed, raped and enslaved.

Those of us that know our history see the Crusades as counter attack, just as the Spannish reconquest was a counter attack. The second wave of Islamic conquest was stopped outside of Vienna. Lets take a view on some of the meddling you talk about, have you heard of the Barbary prirates, these were the Muslims corsairs based in North Africa, who raided continiously, took ships, held people to ransom, enslaved perhaps a million people over an extended period, so evantually the British destroyed the main fleet and not long after France invaded to clean the place up, so much for your meddling. Perhaps your talking about us meddling in India which stopped your meddling there, I understand that until we stopped you Muslims you were going great guns at killing off the Hindu's just like you had killed all the Bhuddists and most of the Sikhs... So you call us the West Imperialists, but Islam is even worse, it is an Imperialist religion. And yes I have looked into your history, I know it better than you...

Did you know that the word for a black man in Arabic is the word for slave, what happened to the millions of slaves you pundered from black Africa, I know, the men were castrated or worked to death, while the women were used as sex slaves and when a child was born, that child had its head smashed in, that is why there are no blacks living in Arabia. You think that you backward countries hold any value to us, it was only oil that changed the equation and that did not start the industrial revolution, that was iron and coal which we had in the UK, your history is poor indeed.

You ask if anyone is being forced to submit to Muslim or Islams perception of the truth, well yes we are, the OIS is pushing at this very moment trying to make it illegal to criticize your religion and for me that is the biggest resentment I can ever have against antone or anything, removing my god given freedom. Conflict between us and your people has happened ever since Mohammed told the Byzantium Emperor to surrender or die, and of course what about the verse of the swords.

We cannot coexist, because you refuse to in every act of supremacy that you unfailingly carry out.

DaffersD

30 December 2009 at 17:51  
Anonymous len said...

If Islam is such a "religion of peace," why do they have to keep reminding us? Nobody's running around saying "Christianity is a religion of peace" – because it is not in doubt.

If Islam is a religion of peace and love, as well as a benefactor of humanity why do they have to keep saying it? Perhaps because the vision of a compassionate Islam is so often obscured by explosions, flying body parts, collapsing skyscrapers, rolling heads, and rabid imams preaching hate the Jews, hate the Christians, hate America, hate the West, etc.

30 December 2009 at 18:31  
Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI said...

It was going so well to begin with. Never mind, we are all doomed now in any case. Islam is to Labour what water is to a naughty child who has flooded the house after leaving the bath taps fully open. He now seeks to highlight the insignificance of water in order to distract from the glaringly obvious culpability of negligence, stupidity and gross inadequacy. He does this by attempting to highlight the crucial life-giving qualities of water, without which we would all be doomed, but typically of a deranged and immature mind, he fails to address the obvious fact that we are not aquatic or amphibious life forms and therefore cannot exists for too long in an aquatic or even semi aquatic environment.

The same goes for Islam, similar to water, it is safe in small quantities but under no circumstances is it desirable to flood the fucking entire house. Islam has Jihad and Christianity has the 'turning of the other cheek', these things are not compatible. The turning of the cheek is something that takes tremendous effort in order to achieve because it strains all the natural selfish instincts. I struggle with turning the other cheek, I struggle with turning the other cheek, no matter how many time I say it nothing changes. But there are Christians who are much better than I could ever hope be like. There are worse ones also: the wrath of politicians and the priesthood has no license to dish out hell any more though, they have far surpassed me in any levels of hypocrisy I could even dream of. It is written that God's wisdom installs our governors, and I have to live with this notion, all I can do is apologise for their conduct, but only to those I deem worthy of apology.

30 December 2009 at 18:33  
Anonymous len said...

Different Kinds Of Muslims,
The secular Muslims. This is a good description of Muslims all over the world. They believe in the nice parts of Islam, but they reject the call to jihad. They take on the cultural trappings of the message, but they are not living it out completely. These Muslims may be very dedicated to their system of thought, even though it does not represent true Islam. The majority of Muslims around the world –both in the East and in the West—fall into this category.

The traditional Muslims. There are two types of traditional Muslims…first…those who study Islam, know it and practice it, but they have a stumbling block with the concept of jihad. Some consider jihad to be a spiritual battle, like the Muslim Sufism movement…second…people who know that jihad is fighting non-Muslims, but they do not take action…

The fundamentalist Muslims. These are the ones who perpetrate terrorism…Their goal is to practice Islam as Muhammad did. Though we call them radicals, they are practicing true Islam.

30 December 2009 at 19:17  
Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI said...

I just think that we would be much better off without it, but I am capable of accepting the futility of such a dream. It does make me laugh a bit when I hear the Bishop of St Asaph warning against the BNP trying to hijack Christianity though. Bloody hell, for God's sake sir grow up. I am not defending the BNP, nor suggesting anything at all about them, I have better things to do, but to listen to cods wallop like that is sad. It provides an insight into the inflated ego of these people. I am a Christian regardless of what this pillock may wish to say otherwise, it is not his decision. In the past I have heard arguments about how "my brand of theology, or Christianity speaks for its self". Well, I am not the one with the branding iron good sir. I seek no converts, I am guilty of selfishly seeking out my own salvation, I do not wish to have any one calling me father or anything else except my name. I suggest nobody follows me, my road is a personal one, it is a personal battle with personal evils. I have no branding iron, and I can only ever recall one singular attempt at hijacking Christianity in this nation.

My Christianity is about a spirit, a touching of what is known as the Holy Spirit - I seek answers to this tangible effect. I ask questions, I listen and I hear, but there is no 'Christianity to be hijacked'. Who can hijack it? Where does it live? My perceptions are that he fears a hijacking of his own brand, a diaspora from the near empty pews of his own church, which is what was hijacked before, and is what plays upon the cords of his deepest fears and anxieties - to witness the source of his inflated ego finally evaporate with all the control and prestige that goes with it.

I do not give a fig for any idea that any man on this planet can de-Christianise me. It is impossible for anyman to do. I may behave in inappropriate ways, I may commit wholly unChristian acts (which would not be a novel thing for a Christian), but a man's faith is not set by any measuring device other than the Lord's. Ten people shouting names at me is not piety to the power of ten. It's just a noise of ten assholes I could do without.

There is much to be said for the fellowship and communion that is shared in a church, and it can be good and wholesome so long as you are not required to blindly subscribe to things you would otherwise think absurd.

30 December 2009 at 20:06  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

Like I said: The so called underware terrorist attack is a total set up by the Elite/ authorities! Listen to this interview with a lawyer who was on board.

Because Cranmer hates me putting up direct links: Go to youtube and look for the 3 parts of the interview (lasting some 30 minutes together), titled Bombshell Eyewitness Revelations: Confirmed FBI Cover-Up Of Flight 253 Attack

We live in a bad world ruled by lying devils who think they can get away with what they are doing, because the people have no clue, and refuse to believe the facts, but gobble up their lies by the media including the plates and utensils, and even the table!

It's a set up by the ruling devils/ elites to take more dictatorial control, rob us of more freedoms, money, social life, prosperity, health, even of life itself. And most people just let them unopposed.

30 December 2009 at 20:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The terrorist attacks are down to a resurgent Islam, however the elites are taking advantage of this in what we can only call the end of democracy period.

They refuse to profile young Muslim males and instead remove our freedoms and make air travel even worse and all to save their naive multi-cultural dream, which is doomed as they fail to note that Islam is refusing to be multi-cultural, Islam is mono cultural...

The Global warming scam is a classic example of that, lies lies and yet more lies and then corrupting the entire peer process.

30 December 2009 at 21:27  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Why should the innocent travellers have to suffer even more stringent conditions for flying. What have we got to do to get through security now? Strip off completely?? Will they be shoving a camera into all our orifices as well as being x rayed?

It's simply not fair to make flying even more miserable than it already is for the rest of us who are not terrorists. Whilst I agree anyone can become a Muslim and not everyone who converts becomes an extremist but a lot do or they go on to cause some sort of trouble! By now surely there have been profiles (not just based on looks only) built up over the years and some common themes established. And there are databases which should be shared and are not. And why shouldn't the Muslims suffer a bit more going through airport security than non Muslims after all it's their lot that cause the trouble now. And the PC brigade should be ashamed of themselves.

If there were five separate rooms for security checking arranged by continent each with enough staff to be able to be thorough without holding things up and yes those who are travelling to or from the continents of Asia, Africa, America and fit the profile should be picked out.

30 December 2009 at 22:35  
Anonymous Sandy Jamieson said...

Your argument against profiling alas on this occasion has not convinced me.
Neither can I agree with your premis that we accepted Roman Catholics as loyal during the years of the IRA Terror. After all no priest ever reported a terrorist to the Police even after hearing the most horrendous confessions. For myself I thought the position of the RC Church on Ulster at best ambigious.
It continues to this day. Witness the singing of sectarian songs by Celtic Supporters outside the ground during the two minute silence for Rememberance Day at Falkirk on November 8th

30 December 2009 at 22:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If ever confectionery was baked in hell then it would surely resemble some of these comments. I can swear I detect Satan's scrawlings in ice-cold flames of death here. By God your Grace you are wrong about No 10.

30 December 2009 at 22:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier ~of~ the Queen!

.......................-Rudyard Kippling -THE YOUNG BRITISH SOLDIER

30 December 2009 at 23:02  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Your Grace, I offer the following very simple test to see if your hypothesis is correct: I extend an invitation to you to come and walk the streets of many districts of West Yorkshire wearing a Kippah,or flying an Israeli flag from your car, or carrying a copy of satanic verses under your arm, or display a poster on a church notice board proclaiming that Jesus is the only Begotten Son of God.

31 December 2009 at 00:10  
Blogger Kenpachi said...

Your Grace,

Whilst I agree that many Muslims are good people and have no inclination towards violence, it is ridiculous to suggest that those who are inclined do not represent the faith of Islam.

Simple research will tell you that out of the four main schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence ALL of them advocate a never ending jihad against infidels (though not always the violent kind). The aim is to make Islamic law dominant across the world and subject everyone to its barbarity until judgement day.

Again, all of the mainstream Islamic sects advocate this. They also advocate killing apostates, peadophilia, polygamy, the degradation of women and homosexuals and other draconian viewpoints.

Don't let your own faith in a particular religion lead you to an ignorant and dangerous conclusion about another.

Regards

Ken

31 December 2009 at 01:29  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace, apart from a single Muslim and his warped understanding of history, not one single poster agreed with you in terms of Islam, shouldn't that wake you up a bit or are we all children. Its people like you who are failing us, and making the worse type of civil war more likely, stop talking rubbish about Islam and get real

31 December 2009 at 07:41  
Anonymous non mouse said...

I also disagreed with Your Grace - but apparently in unacceptably non-PC terms; the post disappeared.

Well, except for Your Grace's sake, I care not for the edicts of the euSSR or any of their minions in this country - and that includes mo..... er the brethren our enemy, including euros.

If they will not accept the values of this country, and their Christian foundation, then I think they should betake themselves over their cruel, barren, icy mountains and back to their barren deserts. Furthermore, if they think we exploit them by buying their oil, then I hope they'll withhold it. We need new sources of energy anyway.

The rate of immigration into this country is both overwhelming and underwhelming. The British never did to anyone what these people do to us: in my own experience, most of us worked to show respect to the cultures of others. I even was interested in learning about and trying to understand them ... at one time.

In past and present scenarios, however, I think we understand that willful destruction of everything that a people loves and believes in can only lead to destruction of the abusers. The present invaders are doing this to us on the Homeland to which we returned - not in their own dustbowl. I see no reason to buckle down and do as we're told by them or the euSSR. I see no reason to appease them: it's an away game for them - a battle for home turf for us.

31 December 2009 at 07:58  
Blogger Richard said...

I fail to see anything childish in not liking to be blown up by persons unknown who almost invariably turn out to be muslims, and whilst most muslims may not support violent jihad, very few (effectively none) make any protest about it.

31 December 2009 at 10:52  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Non Mouse,

His Grace has deleted nothing from this thread.

When he does so, it reads 'Deleted by the Administrator".

And to all those who insist that this post shows His Grace's ignorance of Islam, he says that you are locked into but one interpretation. He does not deny the ubiquity of that particular strand, but importunes you to speak to and theologise with Muslims who do not share it.

31 December 2009 at 11:19  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Thank you, Your Grace.

It must be my mistake, though I thought I saw it up there. I re-posted it in essence, however.

31 December 2009 at 14:32  
Blogger Ingenieur said...

Len, above suggests that there are three types of muslims. Sorry, there are only two.

Radical muslims.

Muslims ready to be radicalised in a muslim-dominated society.

31 December 2009 at 15:42  
Blogger Kenpachi said...

"And to all those who insist that this post shows His Grace's ignorance of Islam, he says that you are locked into but one interpretation. He does not deny the ubiquity of that particular strand, but importunes you to speak to and theologise with Muslims who do not share it."

But what good will come of such an indulgence in wishful thinking? If one were to reinterpret and thereby justify the contents of Mein Kampf, would we herald the moderate Nazis or assume their viewpoints would become the mainstream amongst skin heads?

We all know there are many moderate Muslims, but there simply is no moderate Islam.

31 December 2009 at 15:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace, I am sorry but all the all the centres of Islamic law agree with the interpretation of Islam that the majority have posted here, there may be some Muslims who feel that way and yes I am aware of them, but in terms of Islam they mean nothing, they have no following, nor can they change anything and you are being naive to think that they have any standing that will make a difference and furthermore you cannot be sure that they are actually being honest with you.

Ask them to define an innocent to you and then post it here, I challenge you, then I will wil define it in Islamic terms and then we shall see.

DaffersD

1 January 2010 at 00:28  
Anonymous BL@KBIRD said...

"But let us at the same time not be afraid to demand that the law of the land be applied to all equally, and that must include Muslims."

But you are afraid and it won't apply equally to Muslims. Your grace does not protect your pet organized religion by shielding Islam. It is not your equal, it is a bastardized travesty of Jewish and Christian story lines and it is the engine for the greatest criminal society in human history. The top crime is the binding of the soul in a black straightjacket of fear and hate with all the dark traits of mankind exulted as the work of God. Your Grace should read the Qur'an, it is a confusing jumble of frightful consequences for all. Just read it until you feel a chill in your soul and you won't feel like defending Islam anymore. Otherwise you will stumble aimlessly to your destruction. Don't let Hubris and blindness be your guide.

1 January 2010 at 04:40  
Anonymous len said...

Total agreement with BL@KBIRD Islam spreads through fear and intimidation that was what 9/11 was all about and from a fundamentalist Islamic point of view it worked.People are now afraid to speak out the truth about Islam.
Where you find people bound through fear and intimidation it doesn`t take a lot of imagination to trace this back to its origin.

Jesus Christ came to set people free,He said

"The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners."

– Isaiah 61:1

Many Muslims are breaking free and coming to know the real Jesus Christ and his love for them.

1 January 2010 at 09:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To say most muslims are peaceful is ridiculous. Why have they not stood up, en masse, against Islamic Terror? Why does poll after poll show a large minority, and sometimes majority, of muslims in the UK hold extremist views? Why do non-muslims suffer massive persecution in Muslim countries?

No, we need to profile based upon religion.

We also need to stand firm, publicly and legally against all extremist Islamism, as we do against holocaust denial - a far less serious crime than the current deadly worldwide Jihad which would lead to a larger holocaust to exterminate ALL Jews and Christians..

1 January 2010 at 12:45  

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