Monday, December 07, 2009

Wonderful, Wonderful Copenhagen

The Copenhagen Climate Summit is yet another absolutely last chance for the salvation of all mankind; another final opportunity to save the planet from an apocalyptic catastrophe and to stop the Maldives from sinking. It is just 'Fourteen days to seal history's judgment on this generation', and so today 56 newspapers in 45 countries take the unprecedented step of speaking with one voice through a common editorial:

Unless we combine to take decisive action, climate change will ravage our planet, and with it our prosperity and security. The dangers have been becoming apparent for a generation. Now the facts have started to speak: 11 of the past 14 years have been the warmest on record, the Arctic ice-cap is melting and last year's inflamed oil and food prices provide a foretaste of future havoc.

As it was in the days of Noah.

But with 20,000 delegates descending on Denmark – representatives of 192 countries with entourages of dozens, a myriad of 5000 mesmerised journalists and 45,000 Greenies all jetting in for a jolly – the Copenhagen carbon footprint will take years to undo. The UN has confirmed flights, rail and bus travel, food and energy from the conference will generate at least 41,000 tons of carbon dioxide. That's more greenhouse gas than produced by Malawi, Afghanistan or Sierra Leone over the same period.

From the four corners of the earth they come to kiss this shrine of global governance, but they are propagating the biggest money-making scam since the invention of indulgences. In fact, by contracting to limit carbon dioxide emissions through the purchase of ‘carbon credits’, Copenhagen is nothing more than a (post-)modern version of the ‘credits for heaven’ hocus pocus which kept millions in poverty throughout two millennia.

Just as the salvation of the individual was believed to be facilitated through putting pence into the pockets of St Peter, so the national guilt of the developed nations is assuaged through purchasing carbon credits to put pence in the pockets of the developing countries. There may be grand utopian objectives to cap emissions, but in the here and now of economic reality, the rich man in the G20 continues to emit and pollute exactly as he wishes while the poor man in the LDCs rakes in the offsets and adaptation funds so he can drink clean water.

Cranmer wishes to make clear that he is not a ‘climate change denier’. He cannot deny what may indeed be true, and planet earth may indeed be warming. But it appears to him that it has always changed: the earth’s climate is as mutable as time and matter. Yet it is not clear to him that mankind is to blame for this, though it is very clear to him that it is neither moral nor credible to limit the oil and coal usage of the poorest nations on earth while fossil fuels remain the cheapest forms of fuel.

The Copenhagen Summit is the Ecumenical Council for the religion of the age. But instead of being concerned with such weighty issues as finalising the Canon of Scripture or debating how much of a god was the man Jesus, the objective is to determine Gaian orthodoxy: to tax and redistribute trillions of dollars; to change lifestyle hearts and minds, and to teach recalcitrants to venerate Mother Earth.

As His Excellency Herman Van Rompuy said: “2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet. Our mission is one of hope, supported by acts and action.”

One Hope...

One people, one Empire, one Leader

We have reached the fulfilment: the financial meltdown yielded worldwide regulations governing financial institutions; global warming is yielding a worldwide treaty which will govern the environment, heap taxes upon industry and substantially diminish freedom.

If we are to learn anything from the theft of emails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (or ‘Climategate’ as the saga has been termed), it is that there is something of a conspiracy to suppress or massage data in order to give the impression of scientific consensus on the issue of man-made global warming. And thus have we returned to the Dark Age of corruption, delusion, superstition and unreason. The Global Warming religion is as virulent and insidious as all mind-bending cults of absolute certitude, and yet it has become mainstream orthodoxy and infallible spirituality faster than any faith-based cult in history. It has its clerics and its passionate prophets; it has its machinery and lucrative industry; it has its urgent way and irrefutable truth. It awaits only its messiah.

And the man-made climate-change ‘deniers’ are the sceptical Galileos of the age: they are scorned, ridiculed and persecuted as were the oracles of truth before them.

Cranmer cannot help wondering what we could be doing with the billions and trillions of dollars being poured down the Green sink.

Feed the starving?

Heal the sick?

House the homeless?

Sod that. There’s a climate to fix. That’s much easier, and far more pressing.


Anonymous no nonny said...

Oh thank you, Your Grace!! I needed that laugh.

Tell you what - the Beeb don't know what they're missing, letting your talents slip past their sights....

7 December 2009 at 06:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damnable Heretick! Didst thou not learn anything the first time?
Take heed: you are being monitored, your ISP is being traced, we are coming after you, you will be assimilated!!!!!!!

M. Tudor, C. Pole

7 December 2009 at 06:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reaction to climategate has been telling and, in another age of sincerity and integrity, incredible. It's being treated as an inconvenience rather than a warning that, if one group of scientists has been indulging in jiggery-pokery, others might be, too. But then the alarmists are up to their necks in vested interests and wouldn't want the predictions of catastrophe to be unfounded.



7 December 2009 at 06:50  
Blogger Quiet_Man said...

An apt summation, that they believe (some of them anyway) they are saving the planet is in direct contradiction to keeping the 3rd world in poverty because they will not be allowed to develop.

Hypocrisy of the highest order, but that's green politics for you.

7 December 2009 at 07:09  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The Copenhagen Conference is the resurrected Comintern. Discuss.

With a Maoist heading the EU Commission and a heady sprinkling of CND Left and assorted Marxists throughout the bureaucracy able to fund a CRU at Essex with seed capital to justify the new EU-Federal Climate Taxes - it is clear that the Third Internationalists are back in town ready to enslave millions in a Cyber-Gulag of Subotnik and expropriation of Surplus Value to fund the new Pharaohs building new pyramids

7 December 2009 at 07:37  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Your Grace

You need to remember that all these measures to save the planet will have one inestimable side effect:

They will also save the planet from the depredations of rampaging herds of genetically modified pink elephants not to speak of protection from the ravening bug blatter beast of Traal

7 December 2009 at 08:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of a message to the quiet man. You may find your comments are ignored because you seem to have used an old logo that a certain individual has used in the past.

But this climate change thing is good for your souls, now you know what an atheist feels like. I love climate change, it will make you into a more balanced individual. You will seek out the finer things, the soulful things and be less of a consumer droid. And if it all adds up to less waste and pollution then all the better. Who cares about climate change?

Anyways, if the government does not stop taxing me I am going to take my skills elsewhere, you will all be in trouble then! You will have to find someone else to do my job at a fraction of the cost. OK, I hear you say, why are you not there now, and what makes you think we will not be better off without you? Well, first of all, I am sure that there is no other country on earth that allows the fleecing of it's tax payers like the UK, so you have a point. Maybe I will stay anyways.

7 December 2009 at 09:29  
Blogger Gnostic said...

This flat-earther would like it to be understood that she objects to being taxed within a picometre of her life because some taxpayer funded lying scumbag stooges have found a way of transmuting bullsh*t into gold at the behest of their lying scumbag political masters with the aid the lying scumbag mainstream media.

'Nuff said...

7 December 2009 at 09:35  
Anonymous Septic eye said...

Interesting point by anon. The UK has become the third world of banking. While it is true that other nation are exploited for their cheapo labour, the UK is exploited for its total disregard for tax payers by the banking industry. We may put heavy burdens on developing nations because of climate change, but it all balances out in the end; the same people profit at the end of the day no matter what. We all walk around in clothes, and use goods made in foreign countries using slave labour, but we then are fleeced at every turn by the banks and the government (who give it back to the banks).

7 December 2009 at 09:36  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Addition - since the CRU cat was ejected out of the bag Al Gore has decided NOT to attend the Hoplesshagen Summit in case he's asked any awkward questions. So, something of a Pyrrhic victory me thinks...

7 December 2009 at 09:40  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...

It's all very well for His Grace talking like this, His carbon footprint was indelibly stamped into the fabric of time long ago: He is nothing more than an atmospheric pollutant. It is true that what remains of His ashes has locked in any further chances of future CO2 emissions - but all things are made from dust, and to dust they return, and it is a scientific orthodoxy that "matter can neither be created nor destroyed". And of course, we all know there is nothing new under the Sun (excepting maybe Anthropogenic Global Warming).

A 'learnarde' indeed

7 December 2009 at 09:50  
Blogger Dissenter said...

Anonymous wrote >>>>The reaction to climategate has been telling ..... It's being treated as an inconvenience rather than a warning that, if one group of scientists has been indulging in jiggery-pokery, others might be, too. But then the alarmists are up to their necks in vested interests and wouldn't want the predictions of catastrophe to be unfounded.

So, nothing like the molecules to man by natural selection acting on random mutations story then, which as we are constantly being told by the BBC, Guardian etc is based on ''mountains of uncontrovertible, overwhelming, undeliable evidence, only doubted by wicked flat earthers...'etc etc?

7 December 2009 at 10:01  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...

It's very fascinating to me how the BBC have decided to take on the Government stance over AGW. On Simon Darby today there is post that describes how the BBC sworn him to secrecy about an interview on the Politics show that included Nick Griffin. Nick is of course attending the Copenhagen Summit because he is one of the few who are willing to ques ion the lack of facts. But it is interesting to see how the BBC has manufactured this hush hush interview simply to avoid masses of Lefty wankers protesting outside, because all they wish to achieve here is to link the denying of AGP with the most hated man in the UK media.

Deny immigration = Racist
Deny AGW = Flat Earther

Link the two together, and bah bah bah bah - Global worming Bah bah bah. The sheep are running away from the nasty sheep wearing the scream mask.

7 December 2009 at 10:14  
Anonymous Brian E. said...

When anyone talks about the Arctic Ice Cap melting, I refer them to the picture of the three submarines in a lagoon at the North Pole in 1987. Later pictures seem to show the ice is now much thicker.
The pictures are at and many other sites.

7 December 2009 at 10:21  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

Reds were rejected and resisted and lost, until they put on a green coat...their heart and methods are the same: RED - sectarian-totalitarian-socialist-dictatorial, but their dress has changed. Now the whole world shows it does not see further than the green dress. Even when that dres is full of holes, and the red can be seen, if you wish to see the reality.

CO2 is good! It is plant food. So more CO2 is better: It can feed a growing world population. But that is precisely what these red-green murderers of mankind do not want! They want the world population reduced to 500 million people. (just google the Georgia Guidestones) So they call CO2 bad. Only ignorant and fools and green-ECO sectarians can accept that! It is very bad when they have been given government- and media- power to force their evil sectarian agenda on all mankind! But that is the devil all over. The devil who these people follow, because he is a liar and the father of lies and a murderer from the beginning, has always poluted language from where he twisted the Word of God when he asked Eve: "Has God not said," and then added to the Word of God, twisting it in such a way as to turn Eve's head, and bring doubt into Eve's mind as to the nature, character and intentions of God. And humankind - the human race - has suffered ever since.

If mankind would only learn not to listen to women like Eve, the mother of all women who are deceived by the devil, and abuse their beauty and charm to seduce all mankind!

But in this world the whole world has been turned downside up: The devil's hand, foot, etc. is visible all over. And certainly over Kopenhagen: The devil's orgy

7 December 2009 at 10:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New empirical evidence from France, which dates back to the 1850's and proves AGW.

Shocking Evidence Here

7 December 2009 at 10:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dam, I am trying to type with no glasses on.

Shocking evidence HERE

7 December 2009 at 10:42  
Blogger Dave said...

The undeveloped world aspires to the comforts and benefits of the industrialised west. They want nice houses and cars. They want good food and access to health care. They want airconditioning and central heating. They want what we in the west have.
The problem is that the world's population is doubling every generation. The demand for water is outstripping supply. The only way the undeveloped world can have what we take for granted is if it is taken away from us.
This will not be allowed to happen. Those who rule the world will see to it.
That is why some people are talking about a reduced world population. How will they bring about a reduction of around 4 billion people?

I don't know, but I read Revelations and get a hint.

7 December 2009 at 11:04  
Anonymous Stewart Cowan said...

Well-reasoned piece, your grace.

Since when did those with 'global' designs care about people? There may well be a contribution to climate change by man, or not, but the important thing is that the agenda is to weaken western nations economically, spiritually and morally, so they slip more easily into line in the 'new world'.

Dissenter mentions molecules-to-man evolution. This is another case where the high priests of science have a near monopoly of 'truth' and pour scorn on the Galileos. They want to keep the power they have and that means keeping the rest of us dumbed down with a corny 19th Century theory that doesn't stand in the light of modern discoveries.

7 December 2009 at 11:29  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Your Grace

Have you noticed that the feministas, while trying to change the language to accommodate ther contributions of wimmin; chairman - chairperson; history - herstory, they are strangly silent about 'man made global warming'.

So it's men's fault is it? I might have known.

No apologies for the levity; the Copenhagen Conference is such a scamfest that one can only jeer derisively instead of cry. Yet these clowns have their hands on our wallets...while a survey reports that about 50% of the populace don't agree with the the AGW proposition.

Like Gnostic, I have decided to become a proud flat earther. In fact I am thinking of starting a Friends of the Flat Earth Society.

7 December 2009 at 11:46  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...


The Flat Earth Society believe the world is flat. I don't see any connection. Befriending these fools is hardly a good place to position your hope for a reasoned debate about AGW.

7 December 2009 at 12:10  
Blogger Gnostic said...

UGOC - where can I sign up? :D

7 December 2009 at 12:45  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...

Stop it Gnostic - you are letting your female emotions run riot. There is no debate, as usual these days, one is either in the argument of the only side allowed, or one is a denier. But siding with fools and the insane is not to any body's advantage.

I am not wholly convinced that man is having the effect on climate change that is being suggested by the high priests, but I do believe we should be thinking in terms of sustainability in general. AGW is not the only issue to consider about sustainability, pollution in general is not good, to deny this is irresponsible. The past has taught us many things about pollution and disease, and although sustainability is about living in less destructive ways, it is not going to be realistic to attempt complete reduction of pollution. What we should be looking at is responsible and manageable ways to reduce and limit all pollution, but this should not mean misery and doom. It most definitely should not negate technological innovation.

I have just read an interesting piece about how we faced a 'peak wood' situation in the past, but we overcame this not by burring less wood and capping use, but by moving forward with technology.

7 December 2009 at 13:04  
Anonymous Tosh said...

Ed Millibad's Ten Facts About Climate Change


Climate change is happening, and it's because of us: 10 facts you should know.

1. People say the world isn’t really getting warmer, some years are just hotter than others, and it varies / goes around in cycles.

a. The 10 warmest years on record have all occurred since 1997. That’s a fact, based on recorded temperatures since 1850 (when reliable records began). Over the last 100 years the Earth has warmed by about 0.75 degrees Celsius and the speed it is warming at is getting faster. These days the UK Spring arrives about 10 days earlier than it did in the 1970s. In 159 years of records, the 10 hottest years have been in the last 12 years.
b. Arctic sea ice is melting, the extent it reaches has shrunk by about 10% every 10 years since the late 70s. The smallest amounts of Arctic summer ice on record were in the last 3 years: 2007-2009. In a few decades, large parts of the Arctic Ocean are expected to have no late summer sea-ice at all.

2. People say we’ve nothing to do with it.

Carbon dioxide (CO2) levels in the atmosphere have gone up 38% since 1750 - the year the industrial revolution started. Rising levels of greenhouse gases are directly linked to human activity like burning fossil fuels and clearing forests. There is a clear link between more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and global warming.

3. But not all scientists agree though, right?

The overwhelming majority of climate scientists agree that human induced climate change poses a huge threat to the world. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is not run by any government – ‘intergovernmental’ means it answers to all 192 governments signed up to it. Its reports are written by independent scientists. It is one of the most rigorous scientific bodies that exists. It brings together many thousands of scientists from countries all over the world to put together the best assessments of climate science available. What about the leaked emails from the University of East Anglia? Don’t they undermine the science? There is an independent review looking at this incident. But there is an overwhelming consensus, based on decades of climate science and the work of thousands of scientists around the world which says that climate change is real and a major threat.

4. It’s too late, we just need to accept it.

This international scientific panel says we need to stop the world getting more than 2 degrees warmer if we want to avoid dangerous climate change. After that it becomes harder to produce food and competition for water, sea level rises and loss of species get much worse. We've got the technologies we need for a low-carbon world we just need to go for it now. It'll cost much less to go low carbon than it will to let climate change happen.

7 December 2009 at 13:11  
Anonymous Tosh said...

Part 2

5. A bit of melting ice and slightly hotter summers, what’s the problem?

Global sea levels have already risen by 10 centimetres in the last 50 years, thanks to melting ice and warming oceans. This is already threatening low-lying countries, such as islands and Bangladesh. Millions more people are expected to be flooded every year by 2080. Latest predictions suggest the sea could rise by 1 metre this century. In Europe alone this could affect over 20 million people. And it looks like the sea is rising more quickly now than in the 20th century.

6. Some countries have always had droughts, it’s nothing new.

Severe droughts are now twice as common as they were in 1970. More drought is affecting which crops we can grow effectively. Global demand for food is expected to nearly double by 2050. But by 2025, lack of water could mean we produce a third less of the volume of cereals we currently eat – that’s the same as losing the entire grain crops of India and the US combined.

7. Global warming is just to do with natural changes in the Sun.

Scientists are clear that there is strong evidence that changes in solar radiation could not have caused the rapid warming we have seen over the past fifty years. The Met Office has stated that since the Industrial Revolution, additional greenhouse gases have had about ten times the effect on the climate as changes in the Sun’s output.

8. We’ve all got a lot on our plate – let’s worry about it later.

Even if all greenhouse gas emissions stopped tomorrow, we are already locked into a global temperature rise of at least 1.4oC (since 1750) because of the delayed impact between emissions and temperature. It is already happening, and we need to act now to stop it getting much worse.

9. It won’t happen to us though.

Developed countries suffer impacts too. The 2003 heat wave in western Europe, which caused 35,000 deaths (2,000 in the UK), is already twice as likely to happen again next year. By the 2040s Europe will consider such a summer normal. By 2060s they will consider it cool.

10. Surely it’s only the odd polar bear, who cares?

Species are already being forced to migrate or adapt. Scientists think that around 20% of species will become extinct with 2 degrees of warming – and it will be a real challenge, even if we act right now, to keep to that limit.

7 December 2009 at 13:12  
Anonymous circus monkey said...

Its all enough to give hysteria a very bad name!

7 December 2009 at 13:18  
Blogger dutchlionfrans1953 said...

Tosh, who do you try to convince? That you have been fooled yourself is one thing, but I think we do not buy those lies anymore here, do we?

But the ones who produce those lies you embrace for truth to enslave mankind by their ECO-sectarian religion should be stripped of their powers, income, influence and procecuted for their crimes against humanity.

7 December 2009 at 14:17  
Anonymous martin sewell said...

Why do secular climate change zealots find it so hard to debate the problem without a dogmatism exemplified by Gordon Brown himself that the science is "settled".

I thought these were the folk that "celebrated diversity?"

The Spanish Inquisition was more open minded towards those suspected of heresy and gave them a hearing and opportunity to explain themselves.

As someone brilliantly pointed out after the East Anglian debacle, this is " less science - more Scientology".

7 December 2009 at 15:08  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

When Celebs fly in in their private jets and ponce around flashing their bleeding hearts and murmuring 'aren't we nice?' and Sir Paul McCartney urges the European Parliament to give up meat to save the planet, any right minded person would smell a large eco-rat.

As a scientist I am a champion of developing mathematical models to better understand a complex system, and to try to predict behaviour, within well defined boundaries. But these guys are extrapolating the model well outside the boundaries.

It's a bit like predicting the weight of a man on his 21st birthday by constructing a mathematical model of his weight gain over the first few weeks of birth and extrapolating it. 'Honey! I blew up the kid!'

By the way, Mr antichrist, I (and I believe) Ms Gnostic define ourselves as flat earthers because our illustrious Prime Minister or was it the Minister in Charge of Global Warming, labelled me and those likeminded with that cognomen. In doing so he probably alienated 50% of the voters in this country.

7 December 2009 at 15:13  
Blogger Adrian said...

Another excellent post from His Grace.

7 December 2009 at 15:14  
Blogger Dave said...

Anthony Watts has posted that over 130 private jets have brought the great and good to copenhagen. More than the airport can cope with, so the empty planes are ferried over to Sweden, etc.
Over 1200 limos have had to be brought in to satisfy the demand of these freeloaders who want to tax us back to the middle ages.
read it here

7 December 2009 at 15:33  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Mr Anti-Christ. I am waiting patiently for peak bullsh*t to occur but it seems to be in endless supply. I lay all this at your infernal gates of course...

On a more serious note, when it comes to AGW I am against the notion that man made anything is adversely affecting the climate in the way the data torturing CRUdites and their cronies say it is. The higher the alarmism index rises the more intransigent I become to the "consensus". The US's EPA has just declared CO2 a "dangerous" gas which is total madness. What they are saying that every living, breathing thing is poisoning the planet simply by existing. Only a bunch of nutjobs could take such a moronic stance. I treat the idea that farting cows have a greater effect on world climate than does the Sun, the gigantic nuclear engine that powers the entire solar system, with equal contempt.

I'm all for conserving energy and reducing pollution. Such sentiments have everything to do with protecting the environment but have bugger all to do with global climate. Since burning biomass fuel to keep warm has not yet been criminalised I shall be putting my woodburner to good use this winter. I saved a packet doing the same thing last year.

While the idiot elite with their limos and private jets are stomping their hi-carbon hobnail boots all over Hopelesshagen at the moment, I'm not going to feel too guilty about burning trees and branches washed up on the beach not two hundred yards from my front door. The same beach, I hasten to point out, that is not rapidly vanishing under rising sea levels. According the James Hansen I should have been rowing to work for at least a decade already.

7 December 2009 at 15:53  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Well said, Gnostic

I was wondering when they would declare CO2 a poison. Yet as any fule no, it is a suffocating gas, not a poisonous one.

Sir Jonathon Porrit, Baronet has said that reducing the population by 50%, down to 30M would be a good thing.

If everyone had one lung removed would this produce the same reduction in CO2 usage?

Oh dear, I shouldn't have spoken, that will be the next policy proposal!

You heard it on Cranmer's Blog first.

7 December 2009 at 16:22  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...

Well said. If there is anything that cannot possibly peak it's BS, speaking of which, if you had me to keep you warm you would not need such sterile things as woodburners.

7 December 2009 at 16:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I also add that the BBC is an awsome propaganda organisation, Goebbels would be in awe.

80% cut in GHG by 2050? Isnt that a 3rd world country? Arnt we 40k each in debt, a debt that wont be paid off for decades? Arnt we still involved in a hot middle eastern war? Cant Al qaeda terrorist strike at any moment? Dont we need to get shots for H1N1? Dont we need to get police vetting before we can take our children to the park?

So is there really a deliberate attempt to take down the industrial anglo western nations? Or perhaphs im cracking under the mental strain?

After all this fear will come the hate. Be wary of ANYTHING or ANYONE that the media directs you to hate, I include all blogs as media.

7 December 2009 at 16:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Anti Christ and Nick Griffin is dubitably complying. Theres a conspiracy theory for yas. :)

7 December 2009 at 16:42  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...

I am not sure how that one works anon, genuinely. If he is complying then it would have to be exceeding dubitably. What he seems to be doing is trying to gain access to the BBC so as to poke certain people in the eye. But the way I have come to understand the situation is that the BBC have been setting up their Copenhagen Summit day agenda for some time, and this little addition will have added to their agenda of pro government bias. Nick does not give a fig I should imagine - he is in Copenhagen to denounce the AGW hysteria, and the BNP have long since learnt that any publicity is good publicity.

If you are suggesting that the BBC are conspiracy free then you have a lot of ground to cover.

My own stance, my personal unscientific one, is that the gestalt has been changed and there is nowt that will reverse it except by whatever it is that turns it anyways, which is a deep mystery. I do not believe that there is any huge conspiracy as such, much of what ordinary people think and believe is mainly instinctive and emotive, but they have this hearty belief deep inside that even if AGW is not exactly true, they still feel that the time for a new direction, away from gross consumerism and all its immoral persuasions, has now arrived. The very, very sad part of this is that any change that may take place will only be in the form of tax, and not in any behaviour change as such. There is not one solution being put forward to suggest how in the hell we are supposed to achieve all the unrealistic changes without taxing everyone out of the sky, off the roads and back to wood scavenging and snaring rats in the Jungle.

We may achieve a reduction in overall consumption, but I am afraid to say that this will only mean higher prices and an eternal continuation of exploitation for the benefit of the few.

7 December 2009 at 17:04  
Blogger Robert said...

It was an icy day.
We buried the cat,
then took her box
and set fire to it
in the back yard.
Those fleas that escaped
earth and fire
died by the cold.

--William Carlos Williams

7 December 2009 at 17:49  
Blogger Owl said...

Refering to Tosh's 10 statements of Ed Milibrand I would suggest that it is worth checking the following:
It shows how the fraud has deepened with time and how such historical things as the Middle Age Warming period (MWP - approx. 1100 to 1400)and the Little Ice Age (LIA - approx. 1400 to 1850) got written out of history as they didn't fit in with the needs of our scientific gravy-train experts. Temperatures in the MWP were much higher than today and there were farming communities in Greenland (all proven facts until CRU got at them).
It also shows that the proxy temperatures (Ice cores, tree rings etc.) have shown cooling since approx. 1980 and have had measured (how? where?)temperatures superimposed upon them to keep the myth going.
The figures Ed Milibrand quotes for the highest temperatures being in the last 14 years are all taken from the website which shows the global temperatures using the warped data from Phil Jones (of CRU fame). He has even included his name in big black writing on the graphs as he is obviously proud of this fraud.
I won't even bother with the rest as His Grace is perfectly correct, Copenhagen is only about money and power. It is also obvious that the main stream media has been warned off reporting about the fraud (at least until they get the money and power guaranteed - out of our pockets).

7 December 2009 at 18:17  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Mr Anti-Christ, you can take the place of my trusty woodburner if you wish. At the very least you will be fuel free and will not require cleaning although I might have to build a screen to conceal your infernal demonic countenance in case you frighten the dog. I hope Mrs. Anti-Christ won't mind your temporary winter re-assignment...

7 December 2009 at 18:32  
Anonymous Gregory Norminton said...

Dear God, what a delusional bunch of ideologues you all are.

Are the Vatican, the Pentagon, The Church of England, The Economist, the conservative governments of France and Germany, every single national scientific academy on Earth, our own Royal Society, the Prince of Wales, Republican Senators Graham, Snowe, Chaffee and McCain, all of them reds-under-the-bed-disguised-as-greens? This is puerile conspiracy theory stuff, barely worthy of the graveyard shift on Fox News.

It is sad that a matter of science - or atmospheric chemistry, which cares nothing for human politics - has been coopted for partisan bickering. Global warming ought not to belong to the left or the right. Yet with the honourable exception of the Tory Party leadership, Anglo-Saxon conservatism is plunged in a funk of scientific obscurantism. And this will, within a few years, be quite untenable: untenable because of the reality of daily life as experienced by billions the world over, and untenable because the electorate will not tolerate (in sufficient numbers) political parties that stick their heads in the sand. Cameron understands this; he has to, because unlike contributors to this blog he will shoulder the heavy responsibility of government.

By now, of course, readers of this blog will be itching to respond. I know, from having endured them repeatedly, the hotheaded talking points against global warming science and policy. Rehearse them if it entertains you; I won't bother responding (though do, if you have an open mind, visit

I would however like to suggest two things. First, that the international Left failed, deservedly, because it refused to acknowledge the truth about Communism and the horrors of the Soviet state; and the international Right will likewise become discredited - intellectually and morally - if it fails to face up to the reality of manmade climate change.

Secondly, since I know this issue causes great upset - because it is a daunting challenge for all of us - I would like to ask readers to investigate the emotional investment that they have in rejecting the mainstream scientific view. All the climate scientists I have met dearly wish that they were wrong. But what if YOU are? Have you the courage to look at the science and "think it possible you may be mistaken"? Bryan Appleyard has gone there - and as a 'true believer', with no credit in your eyes, I should leave my conclusion to him.

7 December 2009 at 18:37  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...


There is no Mrs Anti Christ - so it's settled. I recommend a civil partnership.

Gregory Normington

Emotional claptrap. You could apply the same nonsense into a theory of conversion to Jehovah's Witness. What if they are correct and we are all wrong.....BS. You need to be more rational, objective with supporting empirical facts - and then debate this with those who have opposing facts, not simply shut down the debate with childish insults.

7 December 2009 at 19:13  
Anonymous Dobryden said...

I realise that your article tells us that Copenhagen poses a hugely serious threat to our liberty and prosperity but I just wish, from one Christian to another, that you hadn't resorted to bad language at the end of the piece.

7 December 2009 at 19:14  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Dobryden,

His Grace apologises if you have an aversion to pieces of turf.

7 December 2009 at 19:22  
Blogger DerJimbo said...

"One people, one Empire, one Leader."

Ein volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuerher.

How appropriate, but they'd better make sure the copyright has lapsed.

7 December 2009 at 19:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ Gregory

You’re correct the science is the key issue. Unfortunately its been obfuscated via secrecy and straight up fraud and to question its validity is to be classified, as you demonstrate, as utterly other. I know a number of climate scientists that have access to raw data openly state that they cannot tell with certainty that the current warming is due to man made emissions.

The uncertainty principle is what was used for the Iraq war and is again being used for climate change. This principle is intrinsically unscientific, being led by an extreme view of what possibly may happen. Embracing this belief allows rule by those who can conjure up the most powerful of nightmare. It was a disaster for Iraq and will be for climate change, but will be great for all forms of government whom seek inexorably greater control of their populace.

The key is in their solution, they stopped targeting fossil fuels but instead turned the attention purely to emissions, targeting CO2. Framing it in this way not only got the oil companies on board but expanded the level of control to include life itself.

7 December 2009 at 19:46  
Anonymous Dobryden said...

That phrase does not refer to pieces of turf, as well you know. I'm disappointed you think you have to resort to being a 'smart=alec', instead of taking a Christian rebuke in the right spirit. It doesn't enhance you Christian witness.

7 December 2009 at 20:06  
Anonymous len said...

Mr Dobryden,
I think you are being very small minded and petty.
His Graces`s contribution to Christianity is beyond question(apart from you)

7 December 2009 at 20:27  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

The whole conference is a circus and a joke. Whilst it is unchristian of me to say this, I feel rather jealous that I don't get to hob-knob with the world's elite over all the fine wine and food. At least this jolly jape by the world's elite will provide a boost to one bit of the Danish economy.

I am hopeful that the US Senate will be able to block any attempts at this becoming either a proto- world government or an attempt to foist unnecessary taxes or regulation on the world.

BTW- Perhaps Mr Dobryden could get off his self -righteous behind and make a concerted effort to focus on the issue of this thread and article?

7 December 2009 at 20:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What has happened to D.Singh? Is he MIA?

7 December 2009 at 20:37  
Anonymous Knighthawk said...

A Climate Change Denier must be a very rare being. Is there anyone who seriously believes that the climate is static? The label “Climate Change Denier” is a derogatory one that lefties pin on their opponents to avoid having to prove their case. This suggests they are on weak ground. There are enough discrepancies in local weather forecasts over a few days and yet we have experts who tell us what the global temperature will be in 2050 and beyond. This is 'religion' not science.

The world climate is such a vast, complex, intricate and chaotic phenomenon that it is the height of arrogance to begin to claim that one can accurately model it. So with all the confusion and uncertainty some people believe that the problems are largely due to human activity and others that mankind has little effect on the vast biosphere.

My own observations are that winters are milder, summers haven't changed that much but drought and rain tends to be more extreme, so I can accept that at this point on the planets weather cycle there are adverse changes. If they are man made then it makes sense to do something about it but if it is due to some grand cosmic fluctuation then we could waste trillions and achieve nothing because it is all outside our control.

I suspect that actual causes are secondary in the political sphere. Anthropogenic Climate Change is being deliberately overplayed, generating fear of catastrophe to gain meek acceptance of tax hikes and governmental control over personal and corporate activity.

7 December 2009 at 21:16  
Blogger Preacher said...

Your Grace.
Excellent report. Once more the voices of scientists who disagree with the climate change supporters are not reported, just like their counterparts of the last 100 years who rejected Darwins daft theory, (yes it still IS a theory).
The media hype distracts the eyes of the public from the Iranian nuclear threat, the orchestrated economic crisis, the EU's takeover plans for Europe & eventually the World & of course the scams & robbery by the same 'beyond the law' bunch of thieves & they think we are too stupid to know what's going on. Thank God that some of us have read the book & know the ending. The day of reckoning approaches & all will be revealed & judged.

7 December 2009 at 22:01  
Blogger The Anti Christ said...


Actually the use of the word sod is a rather apt way of ending the sentence which is attempting to parrot an attitude (a very real one)- if you fail to realise this very fundamental device then you are generally in ignorance of the language.

The same hysterical people who are arguing AGW will agree that this planet has been through a number of glacial periods, or ice ages. Now I am no genius but I can only assume that in order to pull out of these glacial periods, or ice ages there would have been a necessary rise in temperature - globally. So what is the accepted natural global temperature to aim for, and who in the hell thinks he/she has anything like data to suggest such a temperature?

This planet is heated by the Sun, which is not an electric plasma generator in the sky, no, its a highly volatile globe of nuclear and chemical reactions. Are these people so emotionally unstable that they cannot deal with this fact?

7 December 2009 at 22:25  
Anonymous ever anon said...

It's fairly chilly here in the subtropics at this season. We say to each other, in effect: "Nice bit of global warming, today!"

As to CO2 production - even the 1-lung solution might not counter the population explosion! So clearly mankind can't help practicing every other kind of pollution, and so destroying the wondrous planet God gave us. Especially as we're clearly in love with the 7 Deadlies.

Well nigh incorrigible, is what we are. I think that's why He gave Earth to us: and why we must watch the 'high-flyers' spiral on. "[....] What fools these mortals be," indeed. Maybe they should use something like that as a motto for their Global Party.

Time to let them all learn some Chaucer, Shakespeare, and Milton, I say!! Ah - but that would require "[...]general honest thought of common good to all." So that duck's dead in the water!

7 December 2009 at 22:27  
Blogger Owl said...

In reply to Gregory Normington I will reply with an open letter from two emitrius professors of Physics dated 4th December.

Dear fellow member of the American Physical Society:

This is a matter of great importance to the integrity of the Society. It is being sent to a random fraction of the membership, so we hope you will pass it on.

By now everyone has heard of what has come to be known as ClimateGate, which was and is an international scientific fraud, the worst any of us have seen in our cumulative 223 years of APS membership. For those who have missed the news we recommend the excellent summary article by Richard Lindzen in the November 30 edition of the Wall Street journal, entitled "The Climate Science isn't Settled," for a balanced account of the situation. It was written by a scientist of unquestioned authority and integrity. A copy can be found among the items at, and a visit to can fill in the details of the scandal, while adding spice.

What has this to do with APS? In 2007 the APS Council adopted a Statement on global warming (also reproduced at the tinyurl site mentioned above) that was based largely on the scientific work that is now revealed to have been corrupted. (The principals in this escapade have not denied what they did, but have sought to dismiss it by saying that it is normal practice among scientists. You know and we know that that is simply untrue. Physicists are not expected to cheat.)

We have asked the APS management to put the 2007 Statement on ice until the extent to which it is tainted can be determined, but that has not been done. We have also asked that the membership be consulted on this point, but that too has not been done.

None of us would use corrupted science in our own work, nor would we sign off on a thesis by a student who did so. This is not only a matter of science, it is a matter of integrity, and the integrity of the APS is now at stake. That is why we are taking the unusual step of communicating directly with at least a fraction of the membership.

If you believe that the APS should withdraw a Policy Statement that is based on admittedly corrupted science, and should then undertake to clarify the real state of the art in the best tradition of a learned society, please send a note to the incoming President of the APS ccallan@pr****, with the single word YES in the subject line. That will make it easier for him to count.

Bob Austin, Professor of Physics, Princeton
Hal Lewis, emeritus Professor of Physics, University of California, Santa Barbara
Will Happer, Professor of Physics, Princeton
Larry Gould, Professor of Physics, Hartford
Roger Cohen, former Manager, Strategic Planning, ExxonMobil

7 December 2009 at 22:31  
Blogger Ayrdale said...

This issue will be resolved by the good people downunder. In particular the people of Australia, in a debate cum referendum which looks likely in 2010. See...

7 December 2009 at 22:57  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Mr Dobryden. Thank you for your lecture on climatology. I am sure your friends over at RealClimate would be proud of you. Perhaps you could ask Mr. Romm why he thinks a minute and highly selective tree ring sample (an acceptable but limited proxy for dating) from one small location in Siberia, the Yamal peninsula, is also an acceptable temperature proxy for the entire planet? Maybe you should visit Watts Up With That to get a more balanced viewpoint. Also you might want to quiz the IPCC on why they quietly dropped Mr. Mann's hockeystick graph from AR4. After all, it couldn't possibly have been thoroughly falsified by a couple of flat-earther climate sceptics, could it? I think I prefer raw data and empirical observation to alarmist rhetoric, "value added" data and tortured coding thank you very much.

Lord L. Why worry about not hob-knobbing with those ghastly warmist creatures swarming around Hopelesshagen when you can party with the likes of us? ;)

7 December 2009 at 23:07  
Blogger ZZMike said...

"... 56 newspapers in 45 countries ..."

I looked at that list of newspapers. Only one is from the U.S., a few are from non-Roman font countries. Cambodia is represented.

In other words, it is to yawn.

I also provide this summary of Copenhagen so far:

Limousines, private jets, ladies of the evening, buckets of caviar: OK

Christmas trees: Certainly Not!!!

8 December 2009 at 02:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are entitled to your view, and frequent foul language is not suitable for Christians. But did you know that Paul used the word for dung? Have you read all of the Old Testament prophets or thought about the occasional words of our Lord to the Pharisees, or John the Baptist's words, and in context.
I'm defending His Grace here - there are many more important things to worry about. If your langauge is always pure, great; that you are concerned about the Lord, great. But having myself come across some who only focus on the sins the world is concerned about (and being conerned only with them brings less persecution in and outside of the church) - of the over-drinking, over-swearing, sexual, over-gambling, lazy kind, I have come to the conclusion that we could all also concentrate on the more hidden sins like pride, greed, looking down on the "criminal" or poor or unsuccessful or the unsaved, envy, coveting, dishonesty, keeping promises and commitments, and making fewer, lying (where it doesn't protect a life from the murderous) etc. All sin is sin and we are all sinners, and in 1 John it says some sins should be prayed about, not corrected verbally or otherwise.
Using crude or common words occasionally (as long as not taking the Lord's name in vain) is not necessarily a sin per scripture. It depends on the word or phrase and context. We all fail and some things are not always sin - see Romans 14. You may be "weak" in the faith re such words, but may take a glass or wine where others cannot, as our Lord did unlike not some of His followers who were not sinning in refraining etc.
Blessings to you, and sorry if I have offended you with the above.

8 December 2009 at 07:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I found the scripture - Philippians 3:7 - "loss" is dung in the Greek. Also you might wish to look up Isaiah 64:6 (filthy rags) in Hebrew or Bible help (I have been greatly helped by Zodhiates). "Broods of vipers" is not polite either.
I forgot in my list of favourite approved sins gossip, malice, slander, bitterness, unforgiveness, unfairness, oppression including bullying etc.
Thank goodness we believers ar not under the Law and its penalties. We would be all dead. I have also found it sad that we sometimes expect non-believers to live in the Spirit (which they cannot), but not ourselves. Judgement does start with the chuch first - and we all need much prayer and grace to become more like our Lord and Saviour. Again, if I have offended you, please forgive me.

8 December 2009 at 07:45  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Alas Mr Anti-Christ, there is a Mr. Gnostic so any partnership we form must remain on a strictly commercial basis. How many souls an hour do you charge? Is there a discount if I hire your services in bulk?

8 December 2009 at 08:28  
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8 December 2009 at 08:35  
Blogger Gnostic said...

I'll have the No. 15 with noodles and prawn crackers please.

8 December 2009 at 10:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace

After 'climategate' the calls for immediate action to 'save the world' appear to have become more strident, almost hysterical, as if the powers who like to think they be are afraid of something slipping through their fingers.

It seems that nice Mr Van Rompuy has let the cat out of the bag: AGW is all about 'world government'. If it ain't happening, bang goes their chance for world government this week.

They'll have to think of something else for next week.

Anyone for Peak Oil? Now that would be scary, because that is real.


PS I notice that His Exultedness Van Rompuy says “2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 ..." to look after our money for us. G20 seem to think they were formed in 1999. Maybe they think they’ve been governing us since then as well. Might explain the mess.

8 December 2009 at 10:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no nonny "I needed that laugh"

%^&*! I wish I had your sense of humour

8 December 2009 at 14:32  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Ever sensitive to Irony, Anonymous!

Pythonesque, even:

"I hope that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's ***** all down here on earth!"

8 December 2009 at 14:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gnostic is quite right, partying with the rest of you here is much more agreeable.

I am sure that lord L would much prefer to have cheese and pineapple on a cocktail stick, with a mini pork pie and a slice of bread and ham and salad cream sandwiches, with a bottle of slightly warm lambrusco, with a karaoke going on, than eat frogs legs, snails and slowly poached quails eggs and the overrated product call caviar.

8 December 2009 at 18:51  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Actually, I would prefer pineapple on a cocktail stick and a mini pork pie,than be anywhere near Copenhagen. I have no time for frog’s legs, snails or caviar. And certainly little time for this jolly of world leaders.

I would pass on the lambrusco, though, for a pint of English real ale or glass of red.

8 December 2009 at 18:57  
Blogger Senn the Cartoonist said...

Mrs. Cranmer you wanna get a grip,
the earth is God's gift and it's man that is causing imbalances in God's creation,, a Global warming religion? You talking rubbish

8 December 2009 at 21:36  
Anonymous no nonny said...

His Grace's Irony is superb, Mr. Cartoonist. Too subtle for you?

8 December 2009 at 21:45  
Anonymous Tubb said...

There is a very good essay on 'Global Warming as a Religion' by Prof John Brignell at

9 December 2009 at 00:57  
Blogger ZZMike said...

Senn: "a Global warming religion? You talking rubbish"

Not really. It has all the trappings of religion:

Original Sin, for which we must all be guilty: global warming.

Penance: Well-off countries must give large percentages of their GNP to the gods of climate change.

Indulgences: We can buy remission for our sins by way of carbon offset payments.

Bishops (not intending to poke a stick in the eyes of our Catholic friends): As in the Middle Ages, Bishops and Cardinals amass great wealth by founding carbon offset trading companies - Mr Gore is at their head.

High Priests: Al Gore, James Hansen, ... (You can fill in the Priests from Britain)

Heretics: Bjorn Lomborg.

Holy Places: Bali (2007), Copenhagen, where priests, acolytes and devotees can make pilgrimages and offer sacrifices (true, they travel by chartered limousine and private jets, but we know their hearts are in the right place. Even if their heads are not.)

People are excommunicated for questioning the Sacred Dogma.

It's religion all the way. The Left has done such a good job of banishing religion from the public square that the people, who now believe nothing, will believe anything (G. K. Chesterton, a long time ago.)

I almost forgot the main characteristic of religion: belief without evidence. That describes the global warmers for you. Unfortunately, in this skeptical day and age, we neeed evidence, so they have thoughtfully made it up for us. As the East Anglia debacle proves.

9 December 2009 at 01:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


The "super" computer with their dodgy models, whose code is not open to peer review, is the new oracle. The modern priest class stare into this oracle giving apocalyptic visions of the future. Their solution to ward off this disaster is to give the powers that be your money.

Nothing new under the sun.

9 December 2009 at 07:32  
Anonymous David Couchman said...

Can you recommend anyone who can speak with credibility as a climate skeptic? (A practising Christian, in the UK) I'm responsible for producing the 'Slipstream' podcast for the evangelical alliance, and we're looking for someone to contribute to a debate on this.

With thanks,

David Couchman (

10 December 2009 at 09:20  

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