Tuesday, January 26, 2010

BBC discerns 'the most sinful nation'

Cranmer is not sure what the BBC is up to with this absurd (?) analysis, but he can guess.

The corporation produces a magazine called ‘Focus’ – ‘a magazine of science, technology and the future’. In latest edition (Feb 2010), there is an article on whether or not nature has ‘programmed’ mankind to be sinful.

The article is entitled 'Born to sin. Why nature wants you to be bad', and it examines parts of the brain that purport to wire people to commit the seven deadly sins. The article then asks which is the most sinful nation on earth and concludes it is the Australians.

Cranmer has never liked ‘Neighbours’, and (he must confess), finds Castlemaine XXXX, Crocodile Dundee, Kylie and Dame Edna all a little tiresome.

But he is baffled that the authors should conclude that Australia is ‘the most sinful nation’ on the planet when there are others who are waging civil war, murdering their own, letting millions starve, aborting their own children if they happen to be the wrong gender...

And the United Kingdom only comes sixth.


Just above Sodom.

And, of course, the United States is right up the top for ‘gluttony’.

For each of the seven deadly sins the rankings are

Lust: 1st South Korea (UK is out of the top 10)
Gluttony: 1st USA (UK 5th)
Greed: 1st Mexico (UK 6th)
Sloth: 1st Iceland (UK is out of the top 10)
Wrath; 1st South Africa (UK 5th)
Envy: 1st Australia (UK 5th)
Pride: 1st Iceland (UK is out of the top 10)

The analysts then allocated 10 marks to the first, then 9 mark to the second and so on with no marks to any nation outside the top 10.

And so Australia comes top with 46 points, USA second with 32, Canada third with 24 with the UK sixth with 17 measly points.

A bit of fun, perhaps.

Yet it is a little strange that taxpayers’ money is being used on this sort of quantitative (just) research which effectively says that sin is part of a perfectly natural national psyche and therefore quite beyond the control of a population and government: ie, God/‘nature’ has fore-ordained the United States to gluttonous excess.

There is no point resisting the will of God.


Anonymous non mouse said...

So the Beeb has come to Judge the ...er ... living, then? A mockery of Christ and a function of AntiChrist if I ever saw one!

I thought PC had banned the word 'sin' - but perhaps that's only for the 'lawbreakers' not the 'lawmakers.' Anyway, how come they're not trying to sound intelligent and using 'transgression' instead? Slumming, are they?

And why are they [and their euSSR masters] spending our money on 'research' that's even less respectable than climatology? Perhaps the url: nationmaster has something to do with it?

While on the subject of the Beeb, I just heard someone on the World Service admit how embarrassing it is that Britain is the last of the 'big' economies to come out of recession. Germany had a worse one, but recovered so much more quickly. We're all the way at the back of the queue with some retarded eastern euros.
Why, oh why, don't we just stop paying the Beeb and the euSSR?

26 January 2010 at 11:17  
Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI said...

Glad to see they chose to avoid the anti semitic loby. Oh Heavenly Israel!

26 January 2010 at 11:21  
Anonymous Zach Johnstone said...

A most futile use of taxpayers' money. I find it quite bewildering and, in many ways, alarming that the BBC fails to deem Iran, Saudi Arabia or even Burma more guilty of wrath than South Africa.

Is His Grace familiar with the Freeom House Index, designed to demonstrate the relative degrees of freedom in nation states around the world? This has existed for some time, is renewed annually and is an extremely credible means of ascertaining the extent to which countries are genuinely sinning.

In the diagram, note how Australia and South Africa are both listed as 'free'. A far fairer reflection of the world, I feel.



26 January 2010 at 11:36  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Mr non mouse:

Sin means missing the mark. (I think the word derives from archery.)

On the other hand, transgression means overstepping the mark.

The two words are not interchangeable, but complementary.

Not that we would expect anyone at the BBC to understand that.

26 January 2010 at 11:46  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Your Grace

A bad year for the Ozzies - losing the ashes and being labelled as the most sinful nation on the planet.

I was surprised at Iceland being top nation at sloth, but it must be due to all those old geezers.

Isn't Britain good at anything?

By the way, Focus has some good science and technology articles. It costs £3.60 is competitive with other science mags such as New Scientist. It also runs adverts so presumably (hopefully) the licence payer doesn't have to subsidise it.

26 January 2010 at 11:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a pity the BBC journalists involved did not check their sources. While it is true that where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you have every kind of evil(James), and Galation 5 lists sins as adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness idolytry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissentions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkennness, revelries and the like; it is also true that Proverbs 6 has a short list of 6 things which the Lord hates, and 7 which he finds an abomination...a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness sho speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren.
So why did the BBC journalists/editors use the list they used rather than going to the source ie the Bible for Christianity?
Also how could they judge nations?
While there are some wonderful journalists and/or editors at the BBC (or other media outlets), are there any "bad apples" (or previously bad apples) who have purposely spread slander or unsubstantiated gossip or stories and ruined people's lives, and enjoyed doing so?
Well, there is forgiveness for such with the Lord Jesus. I hope also they will undo any damage they have done where they can.

26 January 2010 at 11:50  
Blogger John R said...

Far too much money to spend, far too many folk to help them spend it.

This piece of utter irrelevancy goes to show why the TV Tax needs to be abolished...and quickly.

26 January 2010 at 12:03  
Anonymous martin sewell said...

But Your Grace, aren't you missing a cause to celebrate?

"Original Sin" exists - BBC

Its official!!

Rick Santorum describes Original Sin as the only philosophical proposition for which there is overwhelming empirical evidence.

It makes sense of Iran Burma etc

26 January 2010 at 12:14  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace,

The premise underpinning this survey, reveals how a major cultural repository such as the BBC attacks the Judaeo-Christian value system. The premise is upon the ground of the philosophy of materialism: men are hard-wired or pre-determined to do what men do. They have no choice nor power to decide between two competeing moral directions. There is no free-will. A murder cannot be premeditated. Why try men then for their crimes (rehabilitation is the answer – the function of the State is to cure the patient-citizen who is dysfunctional)?

Presumably, the BBC’s Director-General has admitted to his wife that he does not love her – it was all predetermined.

Of course, when the philosophy of materialism comes under sustained attack – the ground upon which it is defended is not switched or abandoned – but the tactic is: God has pre-programmed men to sin (to murder, etc). Who is God to judge us? Surely, it is God who is the defendant?

That is how they put God in the dock (an act which in times past in every society and culture would have been inconceivable).

Today, Mr Cameron, much to the relief of the wise British people, speaks about the ‘broken society’. The socialists deride and mock him: ‘How can you fix the broken society by tax breaks encouraging marriage?’ they yell – like the crowd in the yelling street (whilst millions of little boys and girls long to see their Daddy come home (and some boys join feral gangs as a substitute for the family)).

Mr Cameron, has taken a step in the right direction. He is going much further by supporting an expansion in faith schools – an entire new generation must be taught the moral values that made this country great. It is not only Cameron that recognises that the destruction by the left-liberal 60s’ revolution has caused chaos and havoc – it was also our our brilliant Protestant and Catholic writers who warned that the sexual revolution will attack ‘the source of life’: Prof. C.S. Lewis and G.K. Chesterton.

Broadcasting House was opened in 1932 by the Judaeo-Christian Sir John Reith, he unveiled a plaque on which the following words were inscribed:

'This Temple of the Arts and Muses is dedicated to Almighty God by the first Governers of Broadcasting in the year 1931, Sir John Reith being Director-General. It is their prayer that good seed sown may bring forth a good harvest, that all things hostile to peace and purity may be banished from this house, and that the people, inclinig their ear to whatsoever things are beautiful and honest and of good report, may tread the path of wisdom and uprightness.'

26 January 2010 at 12:16  
Anonymous Tony B said...

Goodness, what a lot of piffle. Funnily enough, D Singh, non-faith schools do teach moral values.

I would also have thought this fits in perfectly with the Christian doctrine that we are all sinners.

Anonymous, I assume you mean "Galatians" rather than "Galation". Embarrassing.

26 January 2010 at 12:28  
Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI said...

Hands up all those who really believe that a few quid less tax is going to disinfect the sewer that is the United kingdom. My own opinion now is that it is beyond saving. David Cameron is just a yes man, and the I honestly believe the Tories will be far worse on the liberal front than this shower of shit we have in office now. So long as the money gets into the right pockets nothing else will be of any concern. There will be rampant homosexuality, child abuse, drug addicts, high crime rates (lots of prison ships), immigration like never seen before, and total EU domination. But Cranmer will be happy because he will be drinking red wine under the blue flag. His pathology will be sated. This is when his mental illness will worsen though. I will be here to monitor your ever worsening condition with abrubt reminders about hypocrisy and delusion.

26 January 2010 at 12:37  
Blogger Si Hollett said...

Just added up the scores manually, and I wonder what Iceland did to be considered as if they had scored 10 points less. They scored 21 (pushing Spain and below down one, so the UK is 7th), but are on the table between 10 and 12 point scoring countries.

Likewise, France's 4 points put it above Israel's 5 points, but not Brazil or Ireland's 5 points.

Shoddy arithmetic from Auntie in places, making a pointless exercise even more stupid!

26 January 2010 at 13:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear oh dear, the Dim and huff really is in a huff today.....

26 January 2010 at 13:19  
Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI said...

I have good reason to be. David Cameron and the Tories in government....holy Jesus! I am 0.1percent certain I am voting for them.

26 January 2010 at 13:40  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...


Then you have somethging in common with last quarter's economic growth.

26 January 2010 at 13:47  
Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI said...

A lot more than you think YG because it is pure fabrication. I have no intrention what so ever of voting Tory.

26 January 2010 at 13:49  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

The usual twisting of the facts to serve his own aims by Mr Singh yet again.

Codswallop the lot of it.

Human beings are at a base level self serving entities. If they are not taught otherwise their base mission is to survive and propigate (like any other animal). That is how we are naturally pre-disposed to suffer from the seven deadly sins (certainly how they are judged in the BBC poll).

However when we grow up in a society that teaches us a moral code and the realisation that continually committing the seven deadly sins doesn't actually serve us that well then we make a choice not to commit them. Therefore we have a choice, whether we are religious or not, to live within the accepted subjective moral code laid down by the society we inhabit.

26 January 2010 at 13:53  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

And your habit of labeling everyone who doesn't agree with you as a socialist is getting tiring.

YOu may not be aware but not everybody fits comfortably into a labeled hole that covers all their beliefs. Some people may have conservative beliefs on some subjects and liberal beliefs on others, but to you, they would be socialist scum who should be scorned. You really need to grow up a little and take a wider look at the world and understand that it isn't as black and white as you seem to belive.

"whilst millions of little boys and girls long to see their Daddy come home (and some boys join feral gangs as a substitute for the family"

Okay then, what if their daddy rapes and beats them "religiously" (if you will pardon the pun). Would they still long for their daddy to come home? Do you advocate that they would be better off with their daddy home? Would you consider this to be a healthy family environment for the children to be brought up in? Or do you think they may be better off in a single parent family than in a situation like this?

No a family unit isn't always the correct answer, it's all about context, something you rarely seem to give the impression of understanding.

26 January 2010 at 13:59  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Oh thanks, Anabaptist! That's a useful interpretation I didn't know about. The connection with archery brings to mind old images of the Archer aiming at the Christian who attempts to ascend the 'ladder' to Heaven - e.g. on the Ruthwell Cross.

Ah well~~"nothing new," and all that!!

I checked my OE dictionaries where "sin" appears as syn(n)- "injury, mischief, enmity, feud: sin, guilt, crime." Take your pick!!
They claim cognates with OFris. OS. OHG etc, and possible relation to Lat. adj. sons, sontis "guilty."

The OED's giving an earliest English instance in the Vespasian Psalter, cviii.14; c825: Syn modur his ne sie adilyad* I think that's "... let not the sin of his mother be blotted out" [*I can't get the fonts to work, so put a 'y' for 'yogh'.]

The Latin-based 'transgression' speaks for itself, of course!

26 January 2010 at 14:28  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Australia is, so far, the only country to have kicked AGW into the long grass where it belongs. According to the warmophile BBC, denying the green agenda is the worst kind of heresy. Go figure.

26 January 2010 at 15:01  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Glovner

'... then we make a choice not to commit them.'

Ah! The determinism of the trousered ape.

26 January 2010 at 18:01  
Blogger English Pensioner said...

I never noticed that the Australians were particularly sinful when I was there for a holiday. Certainly the churches were well attended if that was anything to go by. And they didn't seem to be big drinkers in spite of the adverts and films.
Perhaps they are guilty of believing that "Charity begins at home", not dishing out cash in overseas aid, trying to keep out immigrants unless they have skills that the country needs, being very sceptical about global warming and generally putting Australians first. These "sins" would be an anathema to the trendies at the BBC.

26 January 2010 at 18:10  
Anonymous len said...

On the face of it a bit of harmless statistics gathering (apart from the waste of taxpayers money)
But there is a more sinister side to this which is a re-defining of 'sin'.
Sin can only be defined by God because God is without sin.
Mankind is saying now about sin' its only human nature'or calling things God calls sin 'natural'

So without any absolutes man sees no need for God or salvation and will continue to be bound by sin with no hope of being freed from its power.

26 January 2010 at 19:31  
Anonymous Happyness Stan said...

And your habit of labeling everyone who doesn't agree with you as a socialist is getting tiring.

My ex wife was a child care social worker. Therefore I have a close understanding of the highly inconsistent manner by which child care law in carried out in practice.

Yes of course we all wish to protect children in danger. However so far the best ultimate cure the state has come up with, is far too often worse then even the worse case disease.

As for describing, every one that disagrees with ones owns feelings on a matter, as a socialist.

This is not simple to explain, however I will do my best.

Socialism is an establishment created and ever changing dogma, it is deliberately not an ideology based on common sense. Socialism is therefore the opposite to conservatism. Modern Fabianism which is the type of socialism practised in Europe and especially the UK, is designed for one Common Purpose, and one Common Purpose only. Which is to permanently destroy specifically western traditional society, so that authoritarian corporate socialism under the direct control of the owners and therefore controllers of the worlds banking system, TOTALLY and ABSOLUTELY decide the destiny of mankind.

In other words a very small ruling class elite effectively replace, or indeed become God, in the spiritual as well as the temporal realm.

It is very easy to spot a Fabian mind control victim. All one has to do is spot the vapid authoritarian who follows political dogma instead of his common humanity, sense, and personal experience.

In many ways we are all a victims of Fabianism and Fabians. As we are without victims of their world banking system. They have after all been around for many generations. The BBC for example is perfectly infested by them, as are all of our parliaments, universities and teaching institutions.

Please understand. Fabianism was invented, and has been long since financed by, the owners of the Worlds Banking System, exclusively for the interests of the owners of the Worlds Banking System. It was not invented, and has never been run by ordinary people. Fabianism certainly has never acted in the interests of the working class. However the danger of Fabianism is that it is very well practised, connected, and financed to appear to be doing precisely that.

Fabianism is for the above reasons The British equal to Germany Nazism. The only notable differences being Fabians are generally far more internationalist in there ultimate aims. They long since planned on making Hitlers attempts at mass genocide, look like relative small potatoes.

Virtually no one that describes themselves as Socialists are evil, the vast majority of them are very well meaning if not notably independent thinking or indeed wise people.

However socialism as an ideology is EVIL. Whilst the oligarchs, priesthoods, princes, and for want of a better word scientists, who have long since financed and promoted this utter debasement of humamity, are evil personified, working for the DEVIL himself.

26 January 2010 at 20:45  
Anonymous Matthias said...

Hey Archbishop I cannot stand Kylie Minogue,Dame Edna,Neighbours or Castlemaine beer and I am an australian and what's more i am still living here.
(However the BBC ,like most of the British media,always look down their imperial noses at us Colonials.) However as the Australian Lutherna pastor on the blog 'GLOSSES FROM AN OLD MANSE-it was actually in the country with 9 doors leading to the outside- writes Australia is either ready for Wrath or for an outpouring of Grace.I prya for the latter knowing that we deserve the former.

26 January 2010 at 21:01  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Mr Singh

'Ah! The determinism of the trousered ape.'

Ah the patronising attitude of one who believes that a god agrees with his every thought.

26 January 2010 at 23:46  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace

Its not yet April Fool's Day but are you sure this is not some episcopal joke? I checked the Beeb website and it turns out that 'Sin' is a brand of ice-cream produced by a division of Unilever. Australians have apparently taken to 'sinning' with the single minded committment for which they are justly famous. It appears your that high-munded communicants have fallen for this one hook, line and er, sinker.

27 January 2010 at 07:51  
Blogger D. Singh said...

[Mr bluedog please - I'm having some fun!]

Mr Glovner

You still don’t ‘get’ the implications of your own world-view – it is obvious to us as it is comical to others.

You have no authority to speak on these matters as:

1. any view you express is not objective (as you have stated your position is subjective);
2. you are a product of evolutionary (determinism) – you are not free, on that basis, to exercise moral choice.

27 January 2010 at 08:01  
Anonymous no nonny said...

"There is no point resisting the will of God." Quite, Your Grace!!

What our Mighty Masters and their Mouthpiece haven't factored in is that God gave each one of us Free Will. Ever since Eden, we've had to decide whether to obey His Law and His Lore [i.e. 'Doctrine' ~~ Wulfstan called it Laga and Lara].
When we don't we take the consequences: exclusion from God's World ... as opposed to Ol' Rumpy's, as it were.

So 'the lore' according to the neu BBC is like the poison in Claudius' ear; and it requires a remedy if we are to rise up and participate in our own Salvation!!!

I say Your Grace and the Communicants are among those who are awake to the possibilities: and even a little light relief. Thanks all!!

27 January 2010 at 13:11  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Mr Singh.

You are as laughable as you you are both patronising and ignorant.

27 January 2010 at 13:16  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Glovner

An ad hominem attack will not do. Either defend your position: 'subjective', or go over to the Guardian's website to the Elf 'n' Safety nursery.

You'r out of your league. Now run along kid.

27 January 2010 at 19:33  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

"An ad hominem attack will not do. Either defend your position: 'subjective', or go over to the Guardian's website to the Elf 'n' Safety nursery."

The hypocrisy is unbelievable, but there it is for all to see. Does a very good job of proving my point about your patronising attitude.

27 January 2010 at 19:35  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Glovner

Your point cannot be proven: your position is subjective (and not objective).

Didn't Nanny teach you fairy tales: don't throw stones in glass palaces.

27 January 2010 at 19:41  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Glovner

You were negligent. You failed to qoute me fully: 'You'r out of your league. Now run along kid.'

27 January 2010 at 19:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More Psychological Repression, do they ever do surveys ( or TV shows, or Newspaper articles ) of things like how loving, caring, thoughtfull, friendly we are.
Why ?

Because that's not the concensus about ourselves they who control the Mass media wish to shape in our minds.

28 January 2010 at 02:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone seems to have mistaken us Canadian for people who give a damn.

28 January 2010 at 03:30  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Mr Singh.

I was not negligent in the slightest, your first pargraph said more than enough to prove my point about your patronising nature.

But yet again you do more to prove my point about your patronising nature than I ever could and for that I thank you.

'You'r out of your league. Now run along kid.'

How ever, even a kid would know that the correct version of "you're" to use in the context of your sentence would have an 'e' on the end let alone quote the same mistake again. How ironic.

"Your point cannot be proven: your position is subjective (and not objective)."

As is yours and everybody's. All our opinons are subjective based on the available evidence. But just because my opinion is subjective doesn't mean it can't be proven to be true, that just requires enough substantiating evidence to show that to not believe it would be foolish, even then though it is always open to new evidence to refute it.

But you must find that hard to accept in your world, where your thoughts don't require proof and everyone that disagrees is just socialist scum to be ignored, mocked and scorned.

How very very christian of you.

To try and prove the subjective opinions you try to make about the absolute moralistic values of the christian people you do more harm than good on a regular basis.

28 January 2010 at 09:08  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Glovner

You state: 'All our opinons are subjective based on the available evidence.'

I do not know of a single scientist in the past and present who would agree with you. Indeed based upon your philosophy progress in science is not possible.

Now why don't you do us all a favour and take your incoherent gibberish to the Guardian?

28 January 2010 at 09:25  
Anonymous Bruce said...

Pope Benedict also said that Australia is the most secular nation on earth and now we have been voted no. 1 sinner.Aussies like being no 1 in anything so that would be regarded as a good thing.Incidentally Castlemaine XXXX is a sheila's drink.Drink too much of that and you will start growing tits.

28 January 2010 at 10:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Woot! Gold at the Sin Olympics! GO AUSTRALIA!

29 January 2010 at 00:04  
Anonymous St Bruno said...

I am from the planet Zorg, this new planet I've found is just like home,
they say I will fit in quite nice, and my new house is better than the cave back home.

BBC tongue in cheek stiff written by a gang of muppets.

Where did they get their raw data, Tesco security men?

29 January 2010 at 01:16  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

"I do not know of a single scientist in the past and present who would agree with you. Indeed based upon your philosophy progress in science is not possible."

Erm... No.

You can form a subjective opinion, you can investigate and experiment to provide emperical evidence for what was originally your subjective opinion or idea. Once you find the proof it can become an objective idea or an accepted theory, although evidence to refute it could always be found in which case it moves back into the realms of subjectivity.

And so scientific progress would easily be capable and it is. Theories are made, evidence is provided theories are accepted. Like evolution, an accepted theory. Yet people still try to refute it based on their subjective opinions.

29 January 2010 at 13:16  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Glovner

'Erm... No.'

Then cite your scientists.

29 January 2010 at 14:17  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Glovner

'Once you find the proof it can become an objective idea...'

So now you admit 'objectivity'. The tragedy is you are a self-confessed subjectivist, as your numerous posts attest: you have no philosophical basis for admitting objectivity.

You are not consistent. In any event, once you admit objectivity exists - you then need to take the next logical step and admit it is superior to subjectivity. That would make your position, subjective, inferior to someone who holds views based upon an objective basis.

29 January 2010 at 16:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The article has the the credibility of an AprilFoolsDay scam - Oh wait, the blog, 26Jan2010 exactly 222 years to the day, from the event which AustraliaDay celebrates. Oh dear, looks like you lot have been goosed. Der!

29 January 2010 at 17:09  
Anonymous AussiePhil said...

Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi

30 January 2010 at 00:19  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Once again you pick and choose parts of a whole that you want to argue with and because of that there is not point in even begining to argue with you.

2 February 2010 at 12:56  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Then shut yer gob.

2 February 2010 at 12:57  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

A fine and reasoned argument.

Good show sir. You are naught but a sterling advert for your faith.

If only I could have the moral compass and unending font of loving feeling that you show my life would be so much better than it is now I am sure.

5 February 2010 at 13:04  

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