Wednesday, January 06, 2010

Muslims against Anjem Choudary

Yes, there are thousands of them who despise this man. And they are flocking to a Facebook site (Muslims against Islam4UK march through Wootton Bassett) to say so. No doubt a few more will add their names today at the news that this odious individual lives on £25k a year benefit handouts. It is reported that he lives ‘in a smart £320,000 house thought to be owned by an associate or a relative... But his rent is paid by Waltham Forest Council’ (along with council tax and child benefit).

He takes home twice as much as those who are giving their lives in the defence of our liberties, and yet he exploits those very liberties to propagate his perverse agenda to deprive us of them.

Could someone please tell Cranmer how on earth Job Seeker's Allowance can be paid to someone who is manifestly not seeking a job and is quite content to busy himself undermining the state at the expense of the taxpayer? Is he not being interviewed on a regular basis at his job centre to ensure his compliance with JSA requirements? Why are we subsidising his religio-political quest to impose 'wholesale' shari'a upon us all? Is he somehow incapacitated? Does he not possess a law degree?

Only in Britain could an Islamist leech bleed the body politic with the blessing of the Government. And while they pander to his every need he will not fall off his obliging host until he has spread his anaesthetising mucus and infected the nation’s blood stream with his parasitic politics and predatory theology.

A common but medically inadvisable technique to remove a leech is to apply a flame, a lit cigarette, salt, soap, or a caustic chemical such as alcohol, vinegar, lemon juice, insect repellent.

In the case of Leech Choudary, it would be as simple as removing his weekly financial handout. Better still, conscript him into the army and pack him off to Afghanistan where he will see first hand that his co-religionists are indeed being persecuted - not by British soldiers but by the Taliban.

It is infuriating that this Labour government is content to pay benefits to Anjem Choudary which are manifestly to the detriment of society. Perhaps a further condition for the payment of benefits ought to be the acceptance of certain irreducible minima, possibly based upon those which are professed at citizenship ceremonies. And any evidence of their negation ought to be met with the swift cessation of those benefits and an enforced path to work. And if that work is refused, they should starve.

As it is written, if a man will not work, he shall not eat.

Cranmer has reflected much on the ‘freedom of expression’ issues raised by the proposed march through Wootton Basset – the Wiltshire town which has become a symbol of the nation's appreciation of the courage and sacrifice of British troops in Afghanistan. He is a fervent believer in the freedom to protest, even where this causes offence. There ought to be no ‘right’ not to be offended.

But Anjem Choudary is a traitor, and aspects of treason law are still statutory.

He is a British national, and therefore owes allegiance to the Queen. The Treason Act 1351 has been amended several times, but it still includes the category: ‘If a man do levy war against our lord the King in his realm, or be adherent to the King’s enemies in his realm, giving to them aid and comfort in the realm, or elsewhere’.

Anjem Choudary is at war with Her Majesty the Queen in her realm and with her Armed Forces and loyal subjects. He is adherent to the Queen’s enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

The penalty for treason was changed from death to a maximum of imprisonment for life in 1998 under the Crime And Disorder Act. Before 1998, the death penalty was mandatory, subject to the royal prerogative of mercy. Since the abolition of the death penalty for murder in 1965 and its subsequent prohibition in all circumstances under EU law, it is not possible to execute Anjem Choudary for treason.

But, by God, he belongs with Abu Hamza in jail. And there are very many of his co-religionists who would very much like to throw away the key.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, he must simply be repatriated to a Sharia-compliant part of Waziristan. I would contribute to this.

6 January 2010 at 07:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

... since his parents are Pakistani and it's only right that he be returned to his roots. The accident of birth in this benighted land should not be gheld agaisnt him. In his younger days 'Andy' indulged freely in alcohol, dope and casual sex. He needs to be taken out, er, of this dangerous kfur environment and put in a safe place again.

6 January 2010 at 07:44  
Anonymous Ginro said...

Your Grace, you say that thousands of muslims are against Anjem Choudary. Maybe it's because they have seen the writing on the wall in the UK and how many people despise them for what they teach, believe, and how they behave to non-muslims.

Where were the thousands of protestors at the tube train bombings?
The twin towers disaster?
The foiled airline attacks?
The beating up of Christian ministers for being in 'muslim' areas?
The list goes on...

But all we have ever heard from them is bleating about how hard done to they are, how they are constantly afraid of a backlash against the muslims after every atrocity committed by them (a backlash that never materialises).

Where are the thousands of muslims protesting against the brutal murder of both muslims and non-muslims BY muslims in many muslim countries?

Where are the thousands of muslims protesting against the persecution, torture and murder of Christians in muslim countries?

The list is seemingly endless, but you know what I am talking about. Why this seeming volte-face on muslim teachings and behaviour in recent months?

But the following, from St Augustine is more likely the reason we've never heard much from them before:

"They abstain from interference, because they fear that, if it fail of good effect, their own safety or reputation may be damaged or destroyed; not because they see that their preservation and good name are needful, that they may be able to influence those who need their instruction, but rather because they weakly relish the flattery and respect of men, and fear the judgments of the people, and the pain or death of the body; that is to say, their non-intervention is the result of selfishness, and not of love.

– St. Augustine, City of God, Chapter 9"

6 January 2010 at 07:47  
Anonymous Stewart Cowan said...

What punishment does His Grace recommend for our 'own' traitors who have engineered this state of affairs?

6 January 2010 at 07:59  
Blogger Dungeekin said...

Even his Prophet thinks his actions are ridiculous.


6 January 2010 at 08:00  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Stewart Cowan,

They should all be banished to Brussels where they can decompose in political purgatory.

6 January 2010 at 08:01  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

"They should all be banished to Brussels"

You jest I hope Your Grace. There is no higher privilege than to become a Eurocrat ... more money, more perks, more power, no scrutiny, no accountability, no threat of being unelected.

6 January 2010 at 08:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not uphold the views of this evil man, but he is a British Citizen with a right to freedom of speech.

What I fail to understand is with the raft of legislation passed by this government on so called 'Hate Crime' why he has not been charged with the many offences he has apparently committed towards those who do not agree with him.

Unfortunately, the government has tied its own hands, by creating new legislation, then having it challenged by liberal judges, appointed by them.

Perhaps a return to the common law of the country, and a rejection of all Europe generated legislation would provide a better solution to this man.

6 January 2010 at 08:31  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Maybe a quick call to these people might be in order?

6 January 2010 at 08:34  
Blogger ~PakKaramu~ said...

Happy new year 2010 to you

6 January 2010 at 08:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought that treason meant you had to be hung drawn and quatered?

6 January 2010 at 08:37  
Blogger The Magp1e said...

Interestingly, having read of their proposed march, I left a comment on the Islam4uk website expressing my view. Not suprisingly it was ommited as it appears only the sycophantic responses get through the censors.
My reponse was measured and in response to his claim that British soldiers were killing thousands (?) 0f Muslims, I pointed out that the vast majority of Muslims are being killed by Muslims...

6 January 2010 at 08:39  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Maybe Choudary thinks the cash we taxpayers cough up is jizya? As a taxpayer I say he can shove the expectation of jizya up his fundamental and let Allah provide. It's what the bastard is supposed to believe in after all.

I don't want him imprisoned. We've only got to throw more money at his upkeep. Deportation is the answer. Let him go see, from ground zero, how his cowardly extremist friends detonate bombs in the middle of crowds of Muslims going about their daily lives.

6 January 2010 at 08:59  
Blogger Tom said...

So Mr Choudary wants (and is getting) publicity for his extremist group. Fine. The duty of decent commentators is to make every single story about Choudary a story about his financial parasitism and about his accommodation by our government.

Your Grace has provided the most fitting commentatry on the whole Wootton Basset affair that I'd read.

6 January 2010 at 09:09  
Blogger Tom said...

I meant 'I've read'.

6 January 2010 at 09:12  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

It's a shame they won't let them do their "protest". Here's what happened when they did one at the home coming parade of the Royal Anglian Brigade (compare and contrast with what the BBC show of the same event).

I would gladly travel down to Wootten Bassett to give them a taste of the same.

And before you get too impressed by the fact that a couple of thousand of "moderate muslims" [oxymoron alert] have joined a facebook group ... have a look at the names of the members. Quite a few anglo-saxon sounding names. And don't forget to balance that with the information that can be found here.

6 January 2010 at 09:35  
Blogger Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs said...

Your Grace,

I wrote about this a few days ago from the perspective of the 1940's - what would we do then?

6 January 2010 at 09:59  
Blogger gyg3s said...

Cranmer misses a number of points:

It isn't that this chap is on £25k per annum from the benefits system; it is that thousands of others are also on this sort of money under similar circumstances. His Grace should contemplate on that state of affairs.

Secondly, why does everyone seem to think that the gentleman's proposed protest; if it comes to pass, will reduce the occupants of Wootton Basset to screaming heathens?

Surely we have a higher opinion of them than that?

6 January 2010 at 10:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We must welcome diversity and all it brings to our land,

6 January 2010 at 10:39  
Anonymous Michael said...

I applaud His Grace on an excellent blog post, and can not but completely agree with his articulate statement which concludes it.

6 January 2010 at 10:41  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

Instead of pretending that the commies in westminster will take any action,it is high time for the English people to assert themselves,instead of behaving like small children afraid of the headmaster,the people are SOVEREIGN,this society exists for us,for our benefit alone and that of our children,not the imcompetents of countries that refuse to better themselves and come here for a life of ease at our expense.The muslim is forbidden to work for the kufr,which is why they are all on the dole or taxi drivers,the job centers give them an easy ride,no questions asked,i have witnessed this myself.I urge every English person ,who want a future for thier children to go to WB and confront this monster that our "leaders" have spawned.encouraged and facilitated in thier conquest of our country,this issue is not confined to our country alone,but every country in the western world,the same thing is happening,and if you have any self respect you will all oppose this criminal replacement of the indigenous european populations,physically.

6 January 2010 at 10:51  
Blogger Frugal Dougal said...

As I remember, the IRA and their supporters used to claim unemployment benefit and the rest because they saw it as levying a revolutionary tax; perhaps HM tax inspectors should investigate?

6 January 2010 at 11:07  
Blogger Michael said...

I'm not sure the 'freedom to protest' is without constraint though, completely isolated from the demand to do so sensitively. Much as the BNP shouldn't be able to claim it as a 'right' to preach their message of hate in the Muslim ghettoes of the north, so neither should this treasonous rabble be allowed to march through a location chosen solely to inflict maximum distress and upset.

6 January 2010 at 11:24  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Rebel Saint @ 09:35. I thank you for the link and thank the people of Luton (as well as our forces). It's about time we stood up for ourselves, and they're showing that we can.

I felt sorry for the horses.

6 January 2010 at 11:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Over on Guidos Blog its reported hes a lawyer?
A lawyer who cant find work give me a break.

6 January 2010 at 11:59  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Cranny, I uphold your right to say the things you have said about Anjem Choudary. Possibly he is an odious individual, although he may be a good son and a doting parent.

His taking advantage of the ludicrously lax welfare arrangements provided for him out of our pockets by this country's rulers (and, as far as we know, to be maintained by the Conservative Party, should it become the next party of government) is shared by many thousands of his fellow British citizens, by no means all of who are Islamists.

As I say, I uphold your right to say what you think about him. And I uphold your right to say what you think about the government's welfare arrangements. You are rightly free to make these points. And you are properly free to present arguments that incite your readers to think similarly.

Furthermore, I largely agree with your sentiments (though I wish you wouldn't quote the apostle Paul out of context).

So why is not Anjem Choudary equally free to say what he thinks, both about other individuals and about government policy?

I don't think you can have it both ways, even though you too may be a good son and a doting parent.

6 January 2010 at 12:02  
Blogger Anabaptist said...


' no means all of whom are Islamists.'

6 January 2010 at 12:15  
Blogger Tom said...

My own problem is not so much that S4UK are marching as that S4UK have not been outlawed altogether.

While Iran groans to throw off the chains of theocracy, our own government abets the efforts of Islamic supremacists. Oy oy oy.

We need to move towards a post-theocratic age - and our governments should legislate to protect us against anyone seeking to assault freedom of belief. Moreover, we need to use occasions like this to make our policy-makers aware that we demand this protection.

I'm tempted to think that the lefty view - that agitators like Choudary are harmless and should have their say - is based on the (ironically, probably racist) sentiment that a 'foreign' culture doesn't have what it takes to do exactly what it says it will do: overthrow a Western liberal democracy. Yet nothing in history supports the supposition that Islamists movements are paper tigers.

Incidentally, S4UK have already warned us all to embrace Islam in their odious 'roadshows'. That satisfies (albeit cursorily) their Qur'anic requirement to offer us heathens a way to avoid war. If I remember rightly, what comes next is guilt-free slaughter. Perhaps S4UK's present focus on Western vs Islamic 'war dead' represents some kind of transitional position?

Oh, but listen to me scaremongering, will ya!

Re. 'we should welcome diversity': I know it was ironically meant, but it's worth pointing out that state-imposed sharia is the exact opposite of pluralism.

Jews, Christians, pagans and other kuffars did not live in a multicultural paradise under the Caliphate that Choudary so longs for (pace Boris Johnson in his documentary on Islam). It wasn't even particularly paradisical for Muslims. At least three of the four 'Rightly Guided Caliphs' were assassinated...

6 January 2010 at 12:20  
Anonymous Knighthawk said...

Only in Britain could an Islamist leech bleed the body politic with the blessing of the Government.

Why haven't the Dhimwits in government silenced this traitor? It can't be anything to do with free speech because they have no compunction in limiting that through their equality and diversity dogma when it suits them.
The truth is that they are afraid of him and take the easy way out.
However, now that they are under extreme pressure because of the proposed desecration of Wootton Bassett they may do the one thing which is questionable in a free society and ban the march.

But the real issues, his benefit fraud, hate speech and treachery will not be tackled.
Every time he spouts his poison, votes quietly drift to right-wing parties because the Tories are not perceived to be tough enough on Islamo-facisim either.
If the inflammatory march goes ahead, the sight of 500 symbolic Muslim coffins paraded through Wootton Bassett will be worth a thousand times as many votes for UKIP or the BNP.

6 January 2010 at 12:40  
Anonymous circus monkey said...

If we are indeed fighting a war against terrorism why is it not being fought on all fronts. Why is every sinew not being stretched in that fight. Why are the local council and the benefit authorities on this guy's (and the many others like him) back every hour of the day making it as difficult as possible to find the time to make mischief. Bet there are never any delays to his benefit payments!

6 January 2010 at 13:10  
Blogger English Pensioner said...

What's happened to the crime of treason? I thought it applied to those trying to undermine the state, and this man is said to be "British" so why has he not been charged with treason?

6 January 2010 at 14:50  
Anonymous IanCad said...

Your Grace,
Let us not diminish the Acts of Treason by applying them to curs such as Choudary. A manly and robust populace should be quite capable of countering his rabble-rousing.
No; treason laws should be applied to bigger fish. To those who undermine our Sovereignty, our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. Heath, Hurd and Blair spring most readily to mind. I would go further, and suggest that any MP who does not actively work to reverse the transfer of our traditional independence to a foreign power (EU) is guilty of the same.

6 January 2010 at 16:14  
Anonymous not a machine said...

By part of your logic your grace , the labour goverment should be up for treason as well , which I wholely support , as for Mr Choudry , he is now the poster boy of what is to come , somthing I think we are going to find both indegestible and insoluble .

Well done the socialists thanks for the future decades of civil unrest !! youve finally made your Eutopia .

6 January 2010 at 16:38  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Please ask yourself the following questions, concerning the issue at hand.

1. Does this situation make you despair of your own nation state, and its governing forces, almost as much, or more then it does Muslims in general or even this one in particular.

2. Do you feel ever more isolated from your own community, and the people who are supposed to have your interests at heart?

3. Do you feel insecure, even though your common sense tells you, that you do in fact have little or nothing whatsoever to fear from a terrorist attack?

4. Do you no longer trust, (assuming you ever did in the first place,) all aspects of your own main stream media, either specifically, or in general?

If so, then that is OK, and perfectly logical thinking.


Please try to understand that you feel this way because the powers that be desperately desire that you feel this way, or you simply would not be feeling this way at all.

Call it a conspiracy theory if it makes you feel better, and helps you sleep better at night. You do still have the right to THINK whatever you like, but of course not for much longer. Human beings are past masters at burying their collective and individual heads in the deep deep sand. This trait comes naturally, while the powers that be, know full well it does.

The only real difference between how the world is controlled now and how it was thousands of years ago, is the odious and all conquering presence of a highly controlled mass media. It is far more cost effective, and less time consuming to bribe and corrupt a few media owners and state broadcasters mow then it has ever been in the past. However as yet, the internet remains the proverbial N in the woodpile.

Please be absolutely sure beyond any doubt whatsoever, that you are now, and always have been as MIND CONTROLLED as any Muslim terrorist. Which is almost infinitely more mind controlled then you have the wits to even imagine.

6 January 2010 at 16:52  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

BTW, 'not a machine,' By your last comment it seems that you are getting the idea, as to why this sort of thing happens, and maybe even who, and what, is really behind ALL of IT. Please be so kind to keep up the good work.

6 January 2010 at 17:03  
Anonymous Reefknot said...

I point out to your Grace that the 25k this wretch receives is not paid by Waltham Forest Council. They are merely the conduit. The 25k is paid by all those people who work for a living and pay tax. They work so that people like Choudray and untold thousands of others don't have to bother their fat backsides.

6 January 2010 at 18:14  
Anonymous Steve said...

Which EU law banned the death penalty?

6 January 2010 at 18:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could someone please tell Cranmer how on earth Job Seeker's Allowance can be paid to someone who is manifestly not seeking a job and is quite content to busy himself undermining the state at the expense of the taxpayer?

Yes, survival of the fittest self censorship.

Mortgage + EHCR = Disaster

Mortgage - EHCR = No Disaster.

6 January 2010 at 19:04  
Anonymous len said...

Anjem Choudary shows a contempt for our society and values but is quite prepared to take our money.
It says a lot about the Labour Government who( through taxpayers) are prepared to finance this parasite.
Radical Muslims are undermining our society which I guess is their intention.

6 January 2010 at 19:31  
Blogger DDIM 'n HOFFI said...

I have beem painting all day and I am frigged out with a wheezy chest.Your Grace this must be the sign now that Muslims are going to intergrate and we are all going to live happily ever after. What do you think?

6 January 2010 at 20:31  
Anonymous Andrew F said...

"And if that work is refused, they should starve."

Oh! You're one of THOSE Christians! The kind that likes slagging off gay people, but which ignores the central message of Christianity: love.

People whose political views you dislike should be allowed to starve. I can really imagine Jesus preaching that. Shame on you, sir.

7 January 2010 at 05:37  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Andrew F ... so you're one of THOSE non-Christians ... the sort that think love means sentimentality, or that love means giving into everything that others demand, or thinks that love and discipline are mutually exclusive, or that thinks teaching people to face the consequences of their actions is unloving. I can really imagine Jesus preaching that. Shame on you sir.

7 January 2010 at 10:30  
Anonymous len said...

Christians who only preach Gods love are only preaching half the message.
God is love but he is also justice.
Look to the cross of Jesus Christ to see how God judges sin,( when Jesus made atonement for humanities sin by taking this sin on himself)If Jesus was not spared judgment what chance do we stand?

7 January 2010 at 18:15  
Blogger DP111 said...

For a Muslim fighting for Islam, deportation from dar al harb is far greater punishment then the death penalty.

7 January 2010 at 23:27  

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