Thursday, February 11, 2010

31 years on - Vote for a Free Iran

Support the Iran Green Movement

Cranmer has received a request from the Legatum Institute in Promoting Freedom, which he is pleased to grant.

Today, is the the 31st anniversary of the Iranian Revolution. The Legatum Institute is leading an initiative to promote freedom for the people of Iran. The Institute has transformed its website to display the signature green colour of the Opposition Movement. In addition, visitors to the website can register their support for these principles by clicking a “Vote for a Free Iran” button.

Cranmer exhorts his readers and communicants to visit this campaign website and lend your support for the promotion of political freedom, democratic governance and individual liberty for the people of Iran.

For all the griping about the lack of democracy and the erosion of liberty in the UK, we don’t know the half of it.

39 Comments:

Blogger Gnostic said...

So clicked. If only freedom from oppression was that easy to attain...

11 February 2010 at 11:12  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

I find it amazing that the Iranian people are prepared to be beaten, tortured, framed by false accusations by the authorities, shot on the streets; and all for what: to be a free people.

And yet, Stalin’s Best Friend, Gordon Brown, has sold us into the slavery of the EU and under the federal constitution reintroduced the death penalty.

11 February 2010 at 11:19  
Blogger John.D said...

I live in Wales Your Grace, and according to Peter Hain we are lucky because we are still in a better condition than Rwanda, the poorest shit hole on earth....gosh how this makes me feel better! Anyways, it seems that by Peter's standards, Iran is obviously way up there.

11 February 2010 at 11:20  
Anonymous Kiwi said...

If the theocracy in Iran were to overthrown by the 'opposition', the country would still be a theocracy, and they would still hate us. It's the ideology that needs to overthrown!

11 February 2010 at 11:30  
Blogger Sinful Soul said...

Your Grace,

I have clicked as requested,I shall also pray,particularly for the Armenian Christians and the Baha`is who are routinely abused by the state.

11 February 2010 at 11:38  
Blogger Tory Totty Online said...

"If the theocracy in Iran were to overthrown by the 'opposition', the country would still be a theocracy, and they would still hate us. It's the ideology that needs to overthrown!"

Well said Kiwi. However I will click and pray also. :-)

11 February 2010 at 11:53  
Blogger Kenpachi said...

Hate to be such a cynic, but the green revolution in Iran should only be seen as a moderating movement in light of the fact that they are only less extreme than the current theocracy.

These people also largely believe in the Shariah and in Israels destruction, so whilst the success of this movement might ease the self-inflicted sufferings of the Iranian people somewhat, I won't be dancing in the street for them either.

11 February 2010 at 12:13  
Anonymous philip walling said...

Does anyone think we ought to take the beam out of our own eye before criticising other countries. I ask what the hell has it to do with us how they organise themselves. Much of it is hypocrisy particularly when one considers how little we have done in Rhodesia to rid them of their tyrant who is starving his people.

And a lot of this revolution carry-on is fomented and financed by the Americans who are trying to destablise the country, as an alternative to invading it - cf Georgia and the Ukraine.

11 February 2010 at 12:19  
Blogger Sinful Soul said...

Your Grace,

I am a fool,on closer inspection Legatum Institute appears to be run by x White House ,National Security Council operatives,what mischief are they up to? what has my click unleashed?.BAH!

WV-WARTH

11 February 2010 at 12:35  
Blogger John.D said...

"what has my click unleashed"

It's called meddling and playing on decent people's consciences in order to further it. It has little to do with Jesus and Christian belief. Desatbalising Iran is not a bad thing, but less of the crap please if you will.

11 February 2010 at 12:48  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

If destabilising Iran be not a bad thing, it must be good. If it be good, it must be of God. If it be of God, it must be worth supporting.

Simples.

11 February 2010 at 12:54  
Anonymous len said...

Convinced me!
Who said Christianity is illogical?.

11 February 2010 at 12:57  
Blogger John.D said...

Honesty is always he best policy. I will be clicking, but in the right frame of mind and under no delusions about why.

11 February 2010 at 12:58  
Blogger Sinful Soul said...

@John D-It's called meddling and playing on decent people's consciences in order to further it. It has little to do with Jesus and Christian belief. Desatbalising Iran is not a bad thing, but less of the crap please if you will.

Are you refering to me with your comment or His Grace...who?

If you are refering to me ,I have no desire to be part of USA destablising war games.

11 February 2010 at 12:58  
Blogger Sinful Soul said...

Your Grace,

Are you a Spook?

11 February 2010 at 13:10  
Anonymous len said...

Some things need destabilizing, satans kingdom for one.
God will not only destabilize this world He will shake it until everything which is not of Him is destroyed!


Haggai 2:6-7 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land; And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

Hebrews 12:26-28 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

11 February 2010 at 13:12  
Anonymous Term Papers said...

Totally agree with all the above comments and i think its nothing left to say anything more.

11 February 2010 at 13:22  
Anonymous len said...

The last days will be awesome, we are already experiencing some of the preliminary events.If you are not already a Christian I would give it some serious thought.Jesus said (Matthew 7:24-27 )"Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock. The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it didn't fall, for it was founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of mine, and doesn't do them will be like a foolish man, who built his house on the sand. The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it fell--and great was its fall."

11 February 2010 at 13:26  
Blogger John.D said...

"If you are refering to me ,I have no desire to be part of USA destablising war games."

TOO LATE:

"what has my click unleashed?.BAH!"


What do you think blogging is all about?

11 February 2010 at 13:41  
Anonymous philip walling said...

YG
Destabilising another sovereign country is a wicked thing.
It might perhaps be justified in extremis if you are convinced that it will prevent present and future suffering of its population in a permanent way.
But how many people have died in Iraq - Iraqis and others? Do we give a damn about them in our alleged great ideological crusade?

I have said it before (and doubtless will again) "you shall not do evil that good may come of it."

And Mr len

You sound as if you're looking forward to the end of things.

Has it occurred to you that we might be 'satan's kingdom'.

11 February 2010 at 13:45  
Blogger Sinful Soul said...

@John.D-TOO LATE:

Indeed,if I could take it back (click) I would,a pawn in his Grace`s game of chess!,I shall tread more carefuly in futre.

11 February 2010 at 13:49  
Anonymous len said...

In it but not of it.

I am old enough to use words in their original meaning eg =Gay happy carefree.

Awesome - For centuries regarded as perhaps the most powerful word in the English language, awesome eventually succumbed--not a bad word in itself--to abuse, inappropriate use, overuse and nearly-universal lack of respect

11 February 2010 at 13:52  
Blogger John.D said...

Wow! some refreshingly individualistc people in here today. The only complaint I have against you is that you said bah!, and that is something sheep say.

11 February 2010 at 13:52  
Anonymous philip walling said...

Mr Sinful Soul

Yes watch it! His Grace's moral judgment is not infallible.

11 February 2010 at 13:54  
Anonymous len said...

Phillip Walling,
Did we not de- stabilize nazi Germany?
This would be a wicked thing in your estimation?

11 February 2010 at 13:55  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Philip Walling,

We doubtless agree that the greatest evil about the Iraq conflict was the failure to make any attempt to understand the culture and theology of the people, and to make any preparations for the construction of post-war society and stable government.

The difference with the Iran pursuit is that His Grace wishes to support Iranians in their own quest for liberty; not impose upon them a crusading 'Western' notion of it. Hearing day after day of the barbaric exploits of Ahmadinejad, the Green Movement is, he humbly suggests, the lesser evil.

11 February 2010 at 13:57  
Blogger John.D said...

God and Government
a lecture by the Bishop of Durham, Dr N. T. Wright
in the Boothroyd Room, Portcullis House, Westminster
Wednesday 10 February 2010, 6.30 pm

Introduction
I am grateful to the ‘Theos’ think-tank for organising this evening; to those responsible here in
Portcullis House for making the necessary arrangements; and of course to all of you for being
here tonight. We live in fascinating and exciting, if disturbing and often frustrating, times, and
the task of reflecting on where we are, and what we might do about it, presses upon us all.
Someone suggested a couple of weeks ago, during the debate on the Equality Bill, that the
Bishops were like turkeys voting for Christmas; but right now our entire process looks more like
a bunch of headless chickens voting for the fox. We face major questions about our whole social
and political landscape, and the one thing we can be sure of is that there are no easy answers,
especially no easy solutions we can pull down off the shelf of the tired slogans of a previous
generation. What I want to do this evening is to look briefly at where we are in terms of
government itself, then at the current problem of the place of God in all this, and then to set out
some biblical suggestions about a Christian vision of ‘God and government’, which is a more
complex and interesting thing than most people, including most Christians, realise today. That
will lead to some concluding reflections and challenges.

11 February 2010 at 14:06  
Anonymous philip walling said...

Your Grace

I would venture to guess that a preponderance of the population of Iran supports the government of Mr I'm a Dinner Jacket and the protestors will be in a small minority.

Those agitating for 'liberty' seem to define it (in so far as they attempt a definition) as synonymous with the kind of things Americans would categorise as 'freedom'. Is this merely a coincidence or is there some consonance between them?

I would further suggest that the only liberty is that vouchsafed to us by the sacrifice of Christ. Therefore, every species of earthly liberty is necessarily partial and imperfect; and so unless the Iranian freedom seekers wish to have their country turn to Christ they would, were they successful in obtaining what they ask for, merely substitute one form of unfreedom for another.

I therefore disagree with Y.G's support for instability in Iran. Render unto Caesar etc.

11 February 2010 at 14:50  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

John D, from where did you get the NT Wright quote, please? Is there a URL for it?

11 February 2010 at 14:53  
Blogger John.D said...

Anabaptist

Anything in the colour blue is a link....as is the title.

11 February 2010 at 15:21  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Posters

The link that Mr John.D has provided is well worth following through. Print out the essay and help yourselves to the intellectual ammunition.

11 February 2010 at 15:28  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

John D,

Thanks.

Duh!

11 February 2010 at 15:33  
Blogger John.D said...

Anabaptist

If you are asking me where did I get the original link from, well, it came in the form of a tweet:

Theosthinktank Bishop of Durham's lecture on-line now http://tinyurl.com/ydk4dnf
about 2 hours ago from web

D.Singh

I also enjoyed it very much. It is 12 pages long but well worth a read.

11 February 2010 at 15:34  
Blogger John.D said...

I know this is semingly off topic in a seminal way, but it is all part of the bigger picture, and I have been left with such an impression as to be a fan of the Bishop of Durham.

Anyways....D.Singh, it is also very interesting to read his biography at Wikipedia.

11 February 2010 at 15:57  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

You may wish to know that there is a web site dedicated to Wright's works, containing a wealth of material and links. It may be found at:
http://www.ntwrightpage.com/

There is also a very active Yahoo discussion group called 'What NT Wright Really Said', which you can access at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wrightsaid/

Definitely worth joining up.

11 February 2010 at 16:26  
Blogger Sinful Soul said...

@Annabaptist,thank you for that info,I`ve put him on my links,he seems to have a depth of knowledge and understanding...hopefully Ill learn something.

11 February 2010 at 17:19  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Has anyone tried to do the test on the Legatum site to see how happy they are?

The prosperiscope - an exercise in banality.

But - as a matter of interest - are Cranmer's communicants happier than others?

and how to make any comparison?
I'll have to do it again and pretend I am from Iran

11 February 2010 at 20:29  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Your Grace, I have copy of Dr Wright's sermons from when he was Dean of Lichfield Cathederal and one called "what st paul really said". Very good and well worth the read (and not too long either).

11 February 2010 at 21:23  
Blogger Oswin said...

At last, a 'green movement' with balls!

14 February 2010 at 15:49  

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